Atlantis 2008

[Titiea]

Hi Blue Hue,

I think you PowerPoint software is perhaps damaged. If you have the CD, you must reinstall it.
If not, you can download for free Open Office from the following web site : http://fr.openoffice.org/
This software is free and it supplies all the functionalities of MS Office. So with it you will be able to open Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files.

Good luck !

Therese

[BlueHue]

A novel idea, Meroe, being ancient city on the Nile, but most certainly Plato sets Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean.  How to explain such a clear argumnent against such geography?

In 250 bc Eratosthenes transferred the PILLARS, of ERCULE by super-imposing the Aithiopia Map of Herodotus over Northern Afrika
by political Propaganda for a new Punician Atlantisa in SPAIN,
this means that the original " Atlantic Sea or Ocean" was the Red-Sea, this forgery was not discoverred or acknowledged by
mainstream Atlantologists thus all Forummember are " barking-up a wrong tree".

[Titiea]

Hi Qoais,

Now you can see my works on Atlantis in the whole on my web site below :

http://www.antiqua91.fr/index.html

Click on the British flag in the left up corner to obtain the english version and enjoy it !

With best regards,

Therese

Hi Titea
Just read your power point show - thought it was great.  I can see where it would be hard to get all the information into the show with only 20 minutes to present it.

[BlueHue]

Your LINK still is not recognized by  my computer's
 SERVER cannot find this LINK
maybe QOAIS has another Link ?

I have told you before
that Atlantis is in Ethiopia and MEROE is in SUDAN
I have even told you that Atlantis-Capital (= Poseidonis) was in ADEN
But you did not heed my warning nor read Koran Surat - 89- about Atlantis in ADEN.

WHY is Atlantis in ADEN ?
Because HERODOTUS said that Atlantis was the KNOWN- World
and the KNOWN- World was ARABY

the Atlantic OCEAN was supposedoly that OCEAN that Surrounded the WORLD
But since ARABY was that KNOWN- World

the Body of Water surrounding ARABY was also that Atlantic_"OCEAN"

But Both Atlantic Ocean and ATLANTIDE are FALSE or FAKED names
their original names were: ATHE- Land(= ADEN.)
and the Atlantic Ocean were TWO seas not ONE

Originally the RED - SEA and the GULF of ADEN were the" World- Ocean."
Red Sea was the KNOWN- world OCEAN or World River
Gulf of Aden was the Sea of Atlas. this ERROR was made bhy ROMAN- Compilors
Like so: Atlantic - Sea and World OCEAN became amalgamated or merged as:
atlantic- Ocean conceiling the TWO Seas into ONE.

Actually Atlantis and ATHE Land were called PHUNICIA in ARABY.
because the Sea of Atlas was originally named PONTOON- Sea not Atlas-Sea.
Thus in EGYPT' ATLANTIS was named "PUNT. PUA or AAU" (= SIN- Aii in Hebrew.)

SABA and ACHSUM were the original core of the ATLANTIC TERRITORIES
Plato named them: LYBIA and ASIA
Which were administered by the ( egyptian!) Priests of AMUN
but later in 855 bc occupied by the assyrian armies of Salmanasser-3

the effect of re-naming when ERATOSTHENES " Moved" transferred the ( TWO-) PILLARS
for political expediency to Gibraltar was to fool YOU and all atlantologists

Ethiopia was originally named LYBIA and ARABY was originally named ASIA
by Eratosthenes PLOY in 250 bc northern AFRICA got the name LYBIA
and TURKEY got the name:" ASIA "

BESIDES:
SPAIN was originally: HESPERIA then called:" HADReAMAUT "or Catre -Motitae
FRANCE was originally the SUDAN region of the WHITE - NILE
ITALY was the Coast of TEOMMA(= MAATRE or THEO-HOMMA./ HEDJAZ- YEMEN.)

What every Atlantologist should know but doesn't:
Firstly:
ATLANTIS is Located around the SOURCES of the NILE
hence Maroc or Morocco is notAtlantis despite the " Atlas- Mountains "
(which were originally the MOON- mountains in Ethiopia.}

Secondly :
ATLANTIS is synonimous with " KNOWN- World "
( which is ARABY,  NOT,  the extreme West coast of AFRICA ! )

Thirdly:
ATLANTIS is NO ISLE and NOT in the Atlantic because of a translation- ERROR:
PELAGOUS - ATLANTIKOUM(= SEA-Arm or SEA of Atlas.) was wrongly translated
by LATIN- Compilers into : ARCHI- PELAGUS- Atlanticum(= Isle-empire of Atlantis.)

SO for You Theresa dis is debuking your Theory
because Atlantis never was a stand-alone-ISLE
( Atlantis NESSOS DOES mean a river ISLE.)
But it was a SEA- COASTAL " Presqu'ile " or:" PROMONTOIRE "
Surrounded by SEAS not by HIGH- mountains but by LOW mountains !

ORIKALCUM:
I forgot what artificial Gold coloured METAL -ore you talked about. Auri something
But the replacement for gold  was named: Pirate- Gold
from Somalia officially named:  IRON-Oxide- SULPHATE

more commonly,  was CINNABRE or LEAD- IRON- Sulphate
which was indeed" Flaming differend shades of " Gold "
and used by Mideavil le-painters to mix it with Blue to a moss-Green.
But when exposed to sunlight the Cinnabre evaporated making the
Green Colour of the TREES look like pale Blue .

CONCLUSION:

ALL Atlantologists were fooled by Eratosthenes" Moving the PILLARS" to Gibraltar( in: 250 bc.)
( meaning moving the ENTIRE STRAIT to Spain from South- Ethiopia and South- ARABY !)
By assuming that PLATO's Latin translation was perfect,

Mr Thorwald FRANKE with is Atlantic- Charter as SICILLY and MALTA is " barking up a wrong tree."
All those atlantologists, who can be considdered amateur historians
are still hapilly " Barking -up a wrong tree ".

I am sorry that you did not consult me just before you went to ATHENS !( read my Subscript>>bottom Posting.)
we could have made a consensus inbetween MEROE and ADEN ! But now it is too late !

Sincerely,
" BlueHue " at the Polly- techn- Univ. of Delft ( Holland.) dd 12 Febr.2009

[Qoais]

The link works just fine.  I just came from there.  Wish I could read French!!!  Way to go Titiea.

[Titiea]

I am sorry BlueHue. I just rectified now my URL address in my previous post. The .fr was missing  .

Surely I have given the right URL to Qoais in a personal message. But you have an advantage on her, you can read french. And my articles on Hebrews in Egypt are only in french... I will have a lot of work to translate them into english !

With regards,

Therese

[Titiea]

Surate 89 in Koran speaks about the people named "Ad" and "Iram" the city with columns (also cited by Ibn Khaldun).
I think the Ads are the same ones as Ases meaning the Gods probably Egyptian kings (pharaohs) fighting against Kushites people. As for the city named Ad Iram that of the thausand columns, I think it was the antique Adulis near the coast of Erytrea (with its harbour Gabaza), where many ruins of byzantine columns were found. Surely it was destroyed by an big earthquake (divine punishment in Koran).
It is my opinion that Aden designed Africa the red earth (as well as Eden). But in the time of Atlantis the kings have sovereinty both on the two sides of the Red Sea, at West on East Africa and at East on one part of Arabia (Yemen= the land of god Amun).
In these ancient times, frontiers were not really fixed or were sometimes delimited by seas and rivers.

Hoping to help..

[BlueHue]

Dear..........TITAEIA

WHILE I was still Posting
( because I type/print so slowly that I keep running " out -of- Session." )
I retried your Link and NOW  it works all of a sudden ! ( You did forget fr, earlier !)
Sorry for the next delay
But I;'ll have to study your Website before I can give an insight-opinion
So that I could inform dear QOAIS too about the content.

MEANWHILE,

Now I have finished my last posting ending with my signature
Maybe you will have time to read or to ' glance' over it again?

Thank you sincerely, from " BlueHue "

[BlueHue]

Dear .........Mademoiselle .......Titiea,

I warned You that you were goiing to Athens on a wrong Ticket:
Surat 89 is a description of an inciomming TSUNAMI to the Peoples of Ad(= ADEN.)
I found nothing in your Website indicating that The meroitic Realm resambld Atlantis/ Atlantide
as I was saying earlier, only ACHSUM or AXOUM o:r AUSAN and macro- SABA eans were the ATLANTOII

ATLANTIS was NOT in' EUROPE "9= Eurippa.)but in: ARABY !!!
Not only the present European Lands were in Ethiopia
but the Eratosthenes PILLARS- transference affected also :"ISRAEL"
Thus,  the Biblical Lands too,  were NOT at their present places.

The LAND of GOSHEN
is NOT at the most right canobic Nile-brance
but the LAND of GOZAN( error: GADJAM.)in Ethiopia

SITTIM
where LOT thought that he was the Last surviving male from the DELUGE
is originally SIDAMO in Ethiopia/ West Somalia.

The " Rachel Tribes" of:
were: ASHER now ASIR in north-Yemen.
BEN- JAMIN( now: Yemen !)
next: SAMARIA(= now: Mahrah.)
next, EPHRAiiM, now called Dhofar( eg. Khephar - Ammoni.)
next, ( East-)MANASHEH now: Oman

RUBEN,  GAD, & SIMEON
of the Tribe of JUDAH were in Ethiopia
but only the Province of SIMEON is recognizable: Simien.
ZEBULON  may be today's Zaila at Djibuti,
and the three others I could not trace.

Also the Biblical Double/twin-Cities of:
MENEBA and DIBON are recognizable from italian Maps:
MENEBELA & DIBONO !Older Maps may reveal more' biblical' names

When MOSES was in the DESERT
he roamed the SOMALIAN ' Shephela ' not in Araby at all.
The Jewish/ hebrew TRIBE of: GILGUD stil exists in Somalia
as the Provine of: GILGUUDUUD as does the RIVEL TUBAL- KAiin as the WADI TSCHABELE

The SINAii was NOT in the present " SINAii"
but the most south-Western part of thwe Arabian Peninsula

SIN - Aii
was the Hebrew rendering for the greek, Sea of Atlas.
Aii is short for ADEN/ EDEN

ADEN does NOT mean " Red- Earth "
( how did you arrive at that wrong conclusion ?)
ADEN means plain: "  THE CITY "
But in context Aden means a LOT more:

The GOLDEN City-of- Cities synonimous to the Phrase:
The 1.000 OPILLARS of Ad- IREM.

IREM now, Ras Ihmram
is the Left arm of the ADEN Crater.

HERACLES TWO PILLARS
were NOT equal to Kronos or Proteos Four PILLARS

PILLARS
are Wind-DIAL- Elephants; the HOLI- White ELEPHANTS  of Atlantis
The TWO  PILLARS of Heracles were also Elephants of the South-East of Araby

BAKHU and MENU
my gueass is that MENES is an egyptian King from MIN( latin:Catra-Motitae.)
MIN is the present province of HADRAMAUT.(wrongly: HAZZARMAVETH.)


ADEN was called PUNT
 ( Hebrew: " PUT " and LUT .)
by Egypt and thus  inhabited by PUNICIANSand by
the (Hebrew/ Hivite-) CANAANITES ( in Saanaa.)
ADEN was Atlantis capital called POSEIDONIS- Polis, because:
Ras- Aiidon became: POS- AIDON than POS -EIDON over time !

The YEMENITES at ADEN
were never perturbed or bothered by false Atlantis maps in the mediaterranean Sea.
they always regarded the MARIB - DAM as the original Hesperid gardens.
With technical Advice from my hometown university
theseDamms were recently repaired to re-create
the original FRANKINCENSE-plant that was fequently destroied
by Assyrian invaders and Earth-Quakes.

CONCLUSION:

The " MOVE "
 of Eratosthenes in 250  bc by political expediency of the " PILLARS "
 caused the original location of ATLANTIS/ ATHE ( in Ethiopia and West- ARABY.)
to be blurred concealed and forgotten.

ADEN is the MAP of Atlantis !Atlantologists are very- very  POOR ancient Cartographists,
even to an unbiased  Layman it is not difficult to spot this:
The MAP of Ethiopia was overlayed by Herodotus' Ethiopia-Map,
( for whatever silly reason does not matter, here)

Therefore the Entire region of the " KNOWN " world of ; 500 BC
WAS TRANSPLANTED  in 250 bc TO NORTH AFRICA where it does not belong !

Falsified topography of ancient North- Africa & ISRAEL:
It will be a hard task to separate later information about the topography
of North - Africa from before 500 bc with Early information(not earlier than 250 bc.)
In SHORT the Topography of Ancient North- Africa is in a mess since 250 bc.

The Romans thought that they were conquerring LIBIA and ASIA(minor.)
whilst in fact the map of North - Africa referred to another LIBIA
( Major.)and another ASIA(=Major.)

But the Romans did not know that
or if they did, had no means to make that discovery valuable for ancient history
as to discover the 'original' Atlantis " BlueHue " did ( in: 2005.)

To the Die- hards, like Mr Thorwald FRANKE and ' GEORGEOS " ( and: ' TITIEA'.)
I apollogize for my discovery ! debuking their" Atlantis -as- an - Isle" -theories !

Who sampled their Mediaterranean SEA- region Theories concerning:
Atlantis Hercules STRAIT at the Messina STRAIT in their compromized/ consensed
" Atlantic- Charter"  My original discovery fell on deaf ears with them.

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd 12 Febr. 2009

Surate 89 in Koran speaks about the people named "Ad" and "Iram" the city with columns (also cited by Ibn Khaldun).the city named Ad Iram that of the Thousand Columns, I think it was the antique Port-Adulis( Massaua.) in Erytrea (with its harbour Gabaza),It is my opinion that Aden designed Africa the red earth (as well as Eden). (Yemen= the land of god Amun).

Hoping to help..

[BlueHue]

Apparently you have to install an ADOBE  FLASHPLAYER   of 48 KB to watch this Site
I did not succeed in downloading it from the screen. CONSEQUENTLY i COULD NOT WATCH YOUR WEBSITE !
Maybe ' QOAIS' has more dexterity in downloading it !

The instructios are so " Easy" pictured that I could not make head nor tale outof it !

Hi Qoais,

Now you can see my works on Atlantis in the whole on my web site below :

http://www.antiqua91.fr/index.html

Click on the British flag in the left up corner to obtain the english version and enjoy it !

With best regards,

Therese

Hi Titea
Just read your power point show - thought it was great.  I can see where it would be hard to get all the information into the show with only 20 minutes to present it.

[Titiea]

Hi BlueHue,

To open my diaporama you need to have got one of the following softwares : either MS PowerPoint (expensive) or Open Office which you can download for free on the following site : http://download.openoffice.org/
Surely you will succeed...

With best regards,

Therese

[BlueHue]

Dear.................TITIEA, ( and no other guests are watching this Topic.)

The SURAT *(" AL FAR " )
Speaks of the ( Unknown or generic-)Prophet " HUD " who warn
the " PEOPLE of AD " that a DELUGE is comming their Way, but
They think that the Cloud at the Far Horizon is just a DUST- Cloud
instead of a Water Surge !

The CITY of AD
It means WHITE- City is ADEN
AD IREM is the PORT location NOW Called: RAS IHMRAM-lagoon.

The REALM of " ATLANTIS "
Meaning -obviously- " LAND -of- AD "
Was indeed on BOTH sids of the" World- Ocean "(= The RED- SEA.)

It Comprized " LYBIA & SABA/ Sawa which is  present day YEMEN,)

The 1.000" PILLARS " of Ad- Irem

were the Thousand WHITE Elephants of Atlantis/Aden.
The socalled " Wild-beasts"( Lions-) that lived peacefully
along with Sheep in Paradise were also ( White-) Elephants.
Otherwise they were the 12 Israeli-Tribes with Animal Names !

ARABY was once a vassal Kingdom/ territory of Egypt
with Arab kings who bore an Egyptian name(>>e.g. AMYTHAON.)

But subsequently the Assyrians( also former egyptian vassal-kings
madesecret treaties, that when the Arabs would revolt from EGYPT
THE ASSYRIANS WOULD GRANT THEM HELP AND INDEPENDANCE
But at the price of a millitary assistance treaty in a Canaanite-confederacy !

Apparently ADEN as Kadesh(= Holi City.) was later RE- Named Hierosalyma or Jerusalem
" Jerusalem" or Kadesh/ Karchemish(= Same City different name) was attacked every 50 years by
Assyrians who regarded " Jerusalem " = ADEN as a rebbelious assyrian Vassal kingdom.

Until at Last in 855 bc GOD- King Salmanasser-3 attacked it
but was taken aback by the wellknown " OGYGOS- Flood "

in 853 at the BATTLE -of - KAR-KAR ( Another name for Jerusalem/ Aden !!!)
He defeated the Egyptian Canaanite Coalision force lead byAmenhoteb-3
(Which in the Bible Text is named " AHAB ".)

His SON. Amenhoteb-4/ ACHNATON, =biblical: ACHASIA, or AHAZIA
Was wounded when general Horemheb/= JEHU(= I-SHA.)in 842 made a coup d'Etat.
and delivered ADEN/ israel into the hands of GOD-King Salmanasser-3( dd 859- 824 bc.)

However ACHNATON continued to pretend that he was still king
of ADEN/ Jerusalem( under the Name of ACHAZIA/ Achasiabut
Built a new City that he called" ACHET- ATON " en-Lieu of ADEN/ Jerusalem.

The CROWN(s) of Atlantis was the HEM- HEM and TAT TENEN-Crown.
Which were White Crowns made of Reed-baskets with 3 Sbnakes around them.
Recently a Statue of Queen TEJE was found in SAKARA with 3 Snakes around her forehead.

The STATE SYMBOL of Atlantis/ Ad - Land or South- Araby, was a Winged Moon/ Sun- Disk.
Later Persian Officials were pictured on Stellae with that Winged disk hovering above them.
It was a reminisence of the ATON- Disk with out-Stretched hands now shrunken to 2 Wings!

The Unity of Atlantis was broken up in 925 and again in 853 bc,
when God-King Salmanasser did " COVET "south- ARABY/= Israel.)
but could not also incorporate " Juda"(= Upper-Sudan") into his Assyrian Confederacy.

In 250 bc the -original-Geographical Location of Israel & Juda were OBSCURED, by
the CARTOGRAPHIST....Eratosthenes, who by lack of actual information or politics
overlayed the Map of North- Africa and South- Europe with Herodotus MAP of Ethiopia.
Thus the TUAREGGS that were sometimes named" Aithiopians" really belonged to Ethiopia !
The GARAMANTES. Atarantes and Nasamones were also -originally- Ethiopian Tribes.
The Berbers themselves may have come from Europe( fr4om France maybe.)

Suddenly The SOURCES of the NILE were now placed in MOROCCO(= MARE - OCCIdentalis.)
and since Atlantis was supposed to have centered next to the (-original-)Sources of the Nile
so now SPAIN was supposed the -original- Atlantis, even FRANCE was originally SOMALILAND.
HERACLES supposedly travelled through FRANCE during his TEN Labours( But actually that was in Ethiopia.)
Since your NAPATA/ MEROE Region was in Upper-Sudan/ not Ethiopia than that was NOT the-original-Atlantis


RECAPITALISATION/ CONCLUSION:

JUDA/ ISRAEL were -originally- in ( French-)Somali-Land and South ARABY( Now YEMEN.)
in 333 bc the Persian israelians / Jews, moved to the (NEW-) Jerusalem( the Present one,)
in 250 bc by  Eratosthenes" who moved the " PILLARS " to Gibraltar,
(NOT from Messina/ Sicilly( as Thorward-FRANKE / Schoppe Etc. from Atlantis research Charter
would have it. )but from Bab el- Mandab !)So " Israel" movedfrom SOUTH- ARABY to N-WEST-Araby.

Consequently the City of PI- CHAROTHi
where in Bible-Book Chapter Numbers/ Mudbar 11.verse 32-34,
MOSES crossed over the SEA- of- REEDS,
was NOT at the present SINAII- Desert, but
at another Sinaii named SIN - Aii/= Strait of Bab -el- Mandab !

That Atlantis was a NESOS or OCEAN - ISLE is a Fallacy.
' GEORGEOS ' in AR- FORUM allready-it- has demonstrated, that
the NESOS in " PELOPPO- Nesos " has a different meaning. that of PROMONTOIRy

Thus the ATLANTIS- NESSOS does NOT mean a River-Island neither
MEROE(= formerly: l'Ancienne Thebais.dd until renamed to Meroe in 525 bc.)
Was the VOLCANO- City isle from where King/General- Kamose started
to rebell against the contemporary 17-th Dyn.Hyksos-King( Salitis or Calmudi I forget!)

I am sorry that I have to break the SPELL around your theory again. after you did so much effort
to be present at the 2nd-Nov.2008 " World-Atlantis-Conference" in Greece/ Athens that turned sauer.

50 Atlantis-location- Reference POINTS did little to pinpoint thwe-original-Atlantis proper

To be sure that you have read my:
#3 RULES of- THUMB to locate the "original" Atlantis in Aden:
I will cite them again for your eyes only( the other Theorists are Blind to these RULES of THUMB.)

1 ).....ATLANTIS is a latin Faked Name
the original GREEK word for it was ATHE ( Today a region of ADEN in Yemen.)

2 ).....ATLANTIC - OCEAN is a Latin faked name-
The-origina-GREEK- name was a COMPOSITE of TWO waterbodies along the ARAB - Coast:
Atlantic- SEA-of ATLAS(= today the Gulf of Aden.)
and the Known- WORLD- Ocean, (encompassing the( Known-)WORLD !)

3 )  .....Plato's ATLANTIS Cyphers and DATA were overstated by TEN,
The SIZE-overstatement was NOT due to misreading the ( Egyptian-Numerals( e.g. KHET by Dr. Reinhard KHUNE.)
But by misreading the GREEK Numeral for 1.000(= X .)substituted  by a latin multiply Sign for 10 x 10(= also 1.000.)

I have not met any Atlantologist YET who agreed with me, that The" WORLD= Oikumenos" in Plato's time
solely only pertained was a METATONE for and non-other than: ARABY !( and thus ' Atlantis ')

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd 25-March 2009 from: Delft/ Polly-Univ./ Holland.

Surate 89 in Koran speaks about the people named "Ad" and "Iram" the city with columns (also cited by Ibn Khaldun).
I think the Ads are the same ones as Ases meaning the Gods probably Egyptian kings (pharaohs) fighting against Kushites people. As for the city named Ad Iram that of the thausand columns, I think it was the antique Adulis near the coast of Erytrea (with its harbour Gabaza), where many ruins of byzantine columns were found. Surely it was destroyed by an big earthquake (divine punishment in Koran).
It is my opinion that Aden designed Africa the red earth (as well as Eden). But in the time of Atlantis the kings have sovereinty both on the two sides of the Red Sea, at West on East Africa and at East on one part of Arabia (Yemen= the land of god Amun).
In these ancient times, frontiers were not really fixed or were sometimes delimited by seas and rivers.

Hoping to help..

[BlueHue]

Dear.....................TITIEA,

I am not a Star in downloading software not even Pictures,
I want to ask you another question:

the other day I have tried to brows the internet for a French Atlantis research site
like the one we are now forum members of, but then in French, I have not been able to find one.

Even THIS, AO-Line Forum I was NOT aware of it's existance, until dear old chum 'JULIA ' told me.
So my Query is:" Are you 'au courant' d'une URL d'un Website
sur la recherce du mythe d'Atlantis(- de Platon-) en francais ( par hasard ? )
Merci pour Votre reponse du Poste nr( J'ai oublie.)

Agreez de mes respectes et sentiments, votre " BlueHue "

Hi BlueHue,

To open my diaporama you need to have got one of the following softwares : either MS PowerPoint (expensive) or Open Office which you can download for free on the following site : http://download.openoffice.org/
Surely you will succeed...

With best regards,

Therese

[Titiea]

Voici un lien sur un forum en français :

http://www.lemondeantique.net/religions-et-mythologies-f5/l-atlantide-histoire-du-mythe-t257-40.htm

Il faudra vous inscrire sur le forum "Le Monde Antique" pour pouvoir participer à la discussion.

Bonne chance...

Thérèse

[BlueHue]

LA FEMME du Dieu OURANOS etait nommee " TITEA " pas TITiEA.
Il me sembe que les participants au " Monde- Antique" savent moins au sujet de L'Atlantide que les membres du Forum AO-Website !