Plato's Atlantis My Theory

[rockessence]

Hi Blue,

I believe that Schliemann was wrong and the academics that "finally" agree with his story, have done so just because nothing better has come across their radar.  There was absolutely nothing there to conclusively prove that it was Troy, according to some.

Personally, I find Felice Vinci's scholarship is the most convincing....that Troy was located in southwestern Finland, and that the entire Iliad happenings took place in the Baltic Sea area nearing the end of the "climatic optimum"  of about 2500 BC.

He has located the exact spot and, surprise, there is still a village there: Toija.... The landscape and geography and river systems which converge there, and the surrounding hills and the plain (now flooded by the rivers) are an EXACT  fit to Homer's careful and exact descriptions.  There are even place names in the surrounding area that match people who were participants in the drama.   Another point: there is nothing in Homer to suggest that Troy was built of anything other than wood.

Vinci's ten years of study and many travels to the area and the Baltic Sea surround has located countless matches to Homer's words in the Iliad and as well in the Odyssey.

http://www.innertraditions.com/Product.jmdx?action=displayDetail&id=2068

[Nerc]

exactly. why would the greeks ever want to attack the largest city in europe [at least] which controlled the known sources of wealth and was just across the mountains from them.

[julia]

Dear Rockessence:
how can troy could be somewhere else?homer shows Troy in his world map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Homer_world_map-en.svg

[rockessence]

My point is that there has never been agreement of Homer's geography matching the Mediterranean, in fact many extremely important places, which he mentions more than once, are seemingly nowhere to be found. 

http://www.antiquos.com/La-Atlantida-de-Platon/iframe.php?file=http://www.antiquos.com/La-Atlantida-de-Platon/texts/interactive-homer-odissey-map.html

"Odysseus' journey does not map with certainty onto any known geography. Homer doesn't specify exact locations. This has not stopped Homer's readers, ancient as well as modern, from attempting to reconstruct his travels by real world landmarks in the Mediterranean -- and it won't stop us! While the map produced here should be used with this caveat, it will give a useful guide to keeping his wanderings straight, and a workable approximation of the physical template onto which Homer and his audience might have projected the hero's travels. We can be relatively sure that Homer's audience of sea-faring traders would have done a similar exercise, trying to match Odysseus' travels with their own experiences in the Mediterranean. Read books 8-13 carefully, and gather as much empircal data as you can. Try to produce your own rough map of Odysseus' journey. If you find evidence that argues against the map produced here, please feel free to produce it."


Here is a link to a paper by Dr. Vinci:

http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/felicevincilocationoftroy.html

[Nerc]

as a canadian? gelogist? i cannot believe you don't do the bugs bunny gold dance when i mention the carpathians. you must be the only one that doesn't have a couple of hundred acres somewhere there.

[rockessence]

Here is a link to more from Vinci here in AO:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/board,132.0.html

[rockessence]

as a canadian? gelogist? i cannot believe you don't do the bugs bunny gold dance when i mention the carpathians. you must be the only one that doesn't have a couple of hundred acres somewhere there.

'splain your self, Lucy!

[julia]

Dear Rockessence:
How in the world Homeros should know about Finland? The names in Finland should have been named much later..

[rockessence]

Julia,

Did you read any of the material?

[Nerc]

as a canadian? gelogist? i cannot believe you don't do the bugs bunny gold dance when i mention the carpathians. you must be the only one that doesn't have a couple of hundred acres somewhere there.

'splain your self, Lucy!

i thought i saw someone ask if a quake in canada affected you. and your name etc seems to say geology.

i have been following canadian exploration activities in the carpathians for some years. got a little dicey as of very late but an enormous amount of dollars have been spent there. a romanian once told me that being romanian is a profession not a nationality.

[rockessence]

I am in WA state....not too far but not in Canada.  As for the Carpathians... I am familiar with Vlad the Impaler but that's about it.

[Nerc]

there are staggering amounts of gold etc in them thar hills. still even after what the greeks, romans and franks etc drug out.

Raiders of the lost art

By Gabriel Ronay

The spirit of Indiana Jones is alive and well in the Carpathians. Twenty centuries after the invading Roman legions robbed all the gold they could find in the ancient kingdom of Dacia, treasure hunters using state-of-the art technologies are hot on the trail of the fabulous treasure trove King Decebalus hid in 106 AD and the Romans never found.
The French archaeologist Jerome Carcopino, a world-renowned Dacian expert, has estimated that Decebalus’s hidden treasure amounted to 165,000kg of gold and 350,000kg of silver. The value of the treasure has made it worth the risk for some to undertake illegal digs near Sarmizegetusa, the ancient Dacian capital in Romania’s Orastiei Mountains. The quest has resulted in a flood of illegally dug-up Dacian gold onto the international art smugglers’ market. In recent years, 33 illegal excavations of archaeological sites, commissioned by international robbers, have been uncovered by the authorities in Hunedoara county.

Archaeological researcher Mihai Castaian has drawn up a map of recent illegal digs by raiders in search of the gold King Decebalus hid somewhere in the Orastiei Mountains. These furtive excavations appear to have centred on Cucuis, with the ancient Transylvanian castle of Colnic as the focal point. Other Dacian gold-yielding places include Glajarie, Golu, and the castle of Sibisel.

But Castaian told the Bucharest daily, Ziua, he has proof that the “archaeologist gangs” are now concentrating on the village of Cetatuia, Hunedoara county, believing that the mysterious gold treasure of King Decebalus was definitely hidden in the vicinity.

Meanwhile, a trial in the Transylvanian town of Deva of six local men, allegedly employed by international art smuggler gangs, has shed some light on the scale of the plundering of the Dacian heritage sites.

Decebalus’s hidden treasure has, over the years, yielded stunning amounts of gold. Since 1990, more than 20,000 Dacian gold coins dug up have been smuggled out of Romania and sold on the Western coin black market for more than €20 million. A further 7845 ancient gold coins, 190 gold works of art and plates smuggled out of the country have been recovered, the court has been told.

In view of this haemorrhaging of the country’s heritage, it has been ruefully recalled that, when the region was still part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Treasures Protection Act of 1802 successfully protected Decebalus’s gold for two centuries. Now there is no effective protection.

Bucharest sources say that police have proof that the accused, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had had links to international dealers in plundered art. One of them, an Austrian art dealer in Linz, codenamed “Mozart”, is under investigation for handling hundreds of illegally excavated gold objects.

The secret diggers have until now been virtually untouchable because they have allegedly been protected, the court heard, by top politicians and officers of the secret services.

The Deva court has let it be known that Adrian Nastase, Romania’s former Socialist prime minister, and Ioan Talpes, former head of the secret services, are to be subpoenaed. They are to be questioned about the apparent immunity of international smuggling rings under their administration.

The horror story of how Dacia, the source of all this gold, had been repeatedly invaded, and eventually subjugated, by Rome’s legions is carved in marble. Emperor Trajan’s 98ft column, which celebrates his victory over Decebalus, is still standing in Trajan’s Forum in Rome. It was paid for by a grateful Senate and completed in 113 AD.

A 656ft bas-relief frieze winding around the column tells in grisly detail about the two Roman wars against Dacia, the final despoliation of the capital of Sarmizegetusa, the “ethnic cleansing” of its population and the destruction of its culture.

To avoid a horrible and demeaning death in Roman hands, Decebalus committed suicide – but not before having had his vast treasure hidden in the Orastiei Mountains in the high Carpathians surrounding his shattered capital.

Now the latter-day Indiana Joneses, armed with state-of-the-art technologies, are trying to achieve what the Romans had failed to – locate Decebalus’s ghostly treasure chamber.

25 June 2006

http://www.sundayherald.com/56400

[BlueHue]

OH, SORRY  NERC, good Luck on promoting the romanian border !  


Indiana Jones
did not find Atlantis neither,  although I play his Game with childish pleasure, nor does Rockincense in Finland or the Germans in Greenland. Please READ my SUB- Script for a NUTSHELL- Explanation " Why ". Sincerely " BlueHue "       dd 14 Jan. 2008

[Nerc]

my point is that romania happens to be that one spot on earth where something important could be and in the best tradition of dimestore novels kept from the world. it is still illegal to fly from a romanian airport over romania with a camera.

[BlueHue]

DEAR . . . .   JULIA,


Before I forget , my CONGRATULATIONS on your THREAD:" -FLOOD-Destructed People in the KORAN"

imagine in this Herodotus map, that GREECE is YEMEN, in South-Arabia and TRIRNACRIA(= Sicilly) would be Erthiapia/ the AFAR Triangle, than TROY would be were ADEN sits, that why some people confused TROY with Atlantis,

However Troy and ATHENS were FOUNDED only shortly AFTER Atlantis destruction .  Read my SUB- Script !