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« Reply #255 on: August 27, 2007, 02:47:53 pm »

You see, Qoais the complete reading isnt there.


In the manner of living ,in the manner of the moral of the social of the religious life of these people : there classes excited much in the same order : yet the warlike influence did not excist in the people as a people as it did in the other portions of the universe.

 364-3 2/ 16/32


 they were not warlike as in the story of Plato




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« Reply #256 on: August 27, 2007, 02:56:53 pm »


Here you go,Doc:






INDEX OF READING 364-3

Archaeology:Atlantis 1 3
Attitudes & Emotions:Earth Sojourns:Atlantis 2
       :Pacifism: 6
Earth Changes:Atlantis 3
Lands:West Indies:Bahamas:Bimini 3
Mind:Thought Forms:Atlantis 5
Names:People Mentioned:Amilius 5
       :Ram 5
Prehistory:Records Preserved 5
Races:Red:Atlantis 5
Reincarnation:Atlantis 5
       :Groups 5
Research Potential 3
Sex:Creation 5
Time:Prehistory:Atlantis 5
WORK:E.C.:LECTURES:ATLANTIS 
World Affairs:Peace:Atlantis






BACKGROUND OF READING 364-3

B1. Subject of 364-3 - "Atlantis."

B2. See 364-1 and 364-2.



REPORT OF READING 364-3

R1. 2/16/32, 3:50 P.M. See 364-4, a continuation of information
re. Atlantis, being sought as the basis for EC's lecture
before the Norfolk Groups of A.R.E. on 2/19/32. [See
364-6, Par. R3.]

R2. GD's note: In 364-3 re Par. 5 reference to Ram entering
India it might be pertinent to study East Indian lore. In
1910 a book entitled RAMA AND MOSES, The Aryan Cycle and The
Mission of Israel, by Edouard Schure', Translated by F.
Rothwell, B.A., was published by Wm. Rider & Son, Ltd.,
London, England. On page 27 a young priest named Ram is
mentioned. Some of the chapter headings are: The Human
Races and the Origins of Religion, The Mission of Rama ...,
The Vedic Religion, etc.

R3. See Source File Key #440-5 for Sunday, March 19, 1934 New
York American article on F.A. Mitchell-Hedges expedition to
Central America sponsored by the British Museum, where later
he claimed to have found an Atlantean artifact, a crystal
skull. His daughter, Miss Mitchell-Hedges from Canada owns
the artifact. See also March, 1970 A.R.E. News with photo.

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TEXT OF READING 364-3

This psychic reading given by Edgar Cayce at his office, 105th St. & Ocean, Virginia Beach, Va., this 16th day of February, 1932, in accordance with request made by those present.

P R E S E N T

Edgar Cayce; Gertrude Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. Mildred Davis, Gray Salter, Hugh Lynn and L. B. Cayce.

R E A D I N G

Time of Reading 11:40 A. M. Eastern Standard Time. (Suggestion to continue information on Atlantis)

1. EC: Yes, we have the subject and those conditions. As has been said, much data has been received from time to time through psychic forces as respecting conditions in or through the period, or ages, of this continent's existence. That the continent existed is being proven as a fact.

2. Then, what took place during the period, or periods, when it was being broken up? What became of the inhabitants? What was the character of their civilization? Are there any evidences of those, or any portion of, the inhabitants' escape? The POSITION of the continent, and the like, MUST be of interest to peoples in the present day, if either by inference that individuals are being born into the earth plane to develop in the present, or are people being guided in their spiritual interpretation of individuals' lives or developments BY the spirits of those who inhabited such a continent. In either case, if these be true, they ARE WIELDING - and are to wield - an influence upon the happenings of the present day world.

3. The position as the continent Atlantis occupied, is that as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand - and the Mediterranean upon the other. Evidences of this lost civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco on the one hand, British Honduras, Yucatan and America upon the other. There are some protruding portions within this that must have at one time or another been a portion of this great continent. The British West Indies or the Bahamas, and a portion of same that may be seen in the present - if the geological survey would be made in some of these - especially, or notably, in Bimini and in the Gulf Stream through this vicinity, these may be even yet determined.

4. What, then, are the character of the peoples? To give any proper conception, may we follow the line of a group, or an individual line, through this continent's existence - and gain from same something of their character, their physiognomy, and their spiritual and physical development.

5. In the period, then - some hundred, some ninety-eight thousand years before the entry of Ram into India [See 364-3, Par. R2] - there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius [?], who had first NOTED that of the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth's sphere or plane of those peoples into male and female as separate entities, or individuals. As to their forms in the physical sense, these were much RATHER of the nature of THOUGHT FORMS, or able to push out OF THEMSELVES in that direction in which its development took shape in thought - much in the way and manner as the amoeba would in the waters of a stagnant bay, or lake, in the present. As these took form, by the gratifying of their own desire for that as builded or added to the material conditions, they became hardened or set - much in the form of the existent human body of the day, with that of color as partook of its surroundings much in the manner as the chameleon in the present. Hence coming into that form as the red, or the mixture peoples - or colors; known then later by the associations as the RED race. These, then, able to use IN their gradual development all the forces as were manifest in their individual surroundings, passing through those periods of developments as has been followed more closely in that of the yellow, the black, or the white races, in other portions of the world; yet with their immediate surroundings, with the facilities for the developments, these became much speedier in this particular portion of the globe than in others - and while the destruction of this continent and the peoples are far beyond any of that as has been kept as an absolute record, that record in the rocks still remains - as has that influence OF those peoples in that life of those peoples to whom those that did escape during the periods of destruction make or influence the lives of those peoples TO whom they came. As they MAY in the present, either through the direct influence of being regenerated, or re-incarnated into the earth, or through that of the MENTAL application on through the influences as may be had upon thought OF individuals or groups by speaking from that environ.

6. In the MANNER of living, in the manner of the moral, of the social, of the religious life of these peoples: There, classes existed much in the same order as existed among others; yet the like of the warlike INFLUENCE did NOT exist in the peoples - AS a people - as it did in the OTHER portions of the universe.

7. To be continued.

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« Reply #258 on: August 27, 2007, 03:00:49 pm »






BACKGROUND OF READING 364-4

B1. Subject of 364-4 - "The Lost Continent of Atlantis."

B2. See 364-1 through 364-3.



REPORT OF READING 364-6

R1. 2/19/32 EC gave a talk before the Norfolk Groups of A.R.E.
based on the information in readings 364-1 through 364-6.
[See Par. R3 below.]

R2. 4/5/32 Further information was sought on the subject.
See 364-7.

R3. 10/15/94 JT's note: Mr. Cayce gave a talk to the Norfolk
Study Groups on Atlantis on February 19, 1932. To date,
the following (published in the October 1932 BULLETIN) is
the only record of that talk. If a copy of the original
lecture in its entirety is found we will include it here.

VOL. I - No. 2 OCTOBER, 1932




B U L L E T I N

ASSOCIATION FOR RESEARCH AND ENLIGHTENMENT, INC.,
Virginia Beach, Virginia

THE LOST CONTINENT OF ATLANTIS

Atlantis has furnished the background for much speculation
and many theories. Until lately the few, authentic
references have not been sufficient to warrant a scientific
approach to the subject. A growing interest has been
manifest within the last few years by men of prominence. A
recent series of radio talks by a well known scientist has
added strength to the increasingly popular belief that this
continent did exist. Considerable has been written
regarding Atlantis from data psychically received. Of
course, this is of little importance to the average
individual unless they are personally convinced that the
source of such data is accurate and worth considering. For
the benefit of those who wish to view a wider scope of the
information received through Mr. Edgar Cayce, we present
the following:

"The position as the continent Atlantis occupied, is that
as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand and the
Mediterranean upon the other. Evidences of this lost
civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco to
the east and British Honduras, Yucatan and America to the
west. There are some protruding portions within this that
must have at one time or another been a portion of this
great continent. The British West Indies or the Bahamas,
especially in Bimini, would, upon geological investigation,
show the most pronounced traces of the destroyed
civilization." 210-C-A [364-3] (2/16/32)

Further data discloses that Atlantian history covered a
period of 200,000 years, as we would measure time today.
During this period there were many geographical changes in
the earth's surface that directly affected this continent.
The most notable of these were: The sinking of Lemuria in
the South Pacific at the time the poles shifted; the
destruction of the area now known as the Sargasso Sea; and
the final destruction. In size, this country was originally
about that of Europe including European Russia. After the
second great upheaval it was broken up into a group of large
islands, Poseidia, Aryan, and Og.

Before the final destruction, some ten thousand B.C., many
of the inhabitants migrated to adjoining countries. The
Inca and Aztec were descendants of the resulting mixtures,
as were the American Indians, though a little farther
removed from direct descent. Archaeological work will
doubtless uncover within the next few years evidences of
this direct connection with the ancient home of the red
race.

(If you are interested in further data of this or kindred
subjects, let us hear from you that we may treat this type
of information more fully in subsequent Bulletins

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« Reply #259 on: August 27, 2007, 03:25:59 pm »





Well, doc, this seems to be the part to which you are referring:




6. In the MANNER of living, in the manner of the moral, of the social, of the religious life of these

peoples: There, classes existed much in the same order as existed among others; yet the like of the

warlike INFLUENCE did NOT exist in the peoples - AS a people - as it did in the OTHER portions of the

universe.
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« Reply #260 on: August 27, 2007, 06:44:44 pm »




That's remarkable:


He said UNIVERSE, not EARTH......
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« Reply #261 on: August 27, 2007, 07:46:58 pm »

My point excactly Bianca2001  to understand Cayce `s Atlantis, one has to understand Cayce. Wink
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« Reply #262 on: August 27, 2007, 08:14:37 pm »

So you see it was a spirituality of a people and in Plato`s Atlantis ( Tartesso )was a rich and peaceful society who were not war like until invloved in a war .


For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them, they were obedient to the laws, and well-affectioned towards the god, whose seed they were; for they possessed true and in every way great spirits, uniting gentleness with wisdom in the various chances of life, and in their intercourse with one another. They despised everything but virtue, caring little for their present state of life, and thinking lightly of the possession of gold and other property, which seemed only a burden to them; neither were they intoxicated by luxury; nor did wealth deprive them of their self-control; but they were sober, and saw clearly that all these goods are increased by virtue and friendship with one another, whereas by too great regard and respect for them, they are lost and friendship with them. By such reflections and by the continuance in them of a divine nature, the qualities which we have described grew and increased among them; but when the divine portion began to fade away, and became diluted too often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got the upper hand, they then, being unable to bear their fortune, behaved unseemly, and to him who had an eye to see grew visibly debased, for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts; but to those who had no eye to see the true happiness, they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power. Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as follows-* The rest of the Dialogue of Critias has been lost.


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« Reply #263 on: August 28, 2007, 01:50:55 am »

Docyabut, I've lost track of what your point is. 
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« Reply #264 on: August 28, 2007, 09:12:01 am »

Qoais my point is that Cayce`s Atlantis was a history of man `s sprituality  journey of the Atlas or the world through time,  from its beginnings to well into the future ,where as Plato`s atlantis was of a time when man knew only part of that  journey of  history of the atlas or of the world.Atlas held up the mapping of the world ,where as the atlantians are the peoples of that world.



 The position as the continent Atlantis  (  the atlas )  occupied, is that as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand - and the Mediterranean upon the other. Evidences of this lost civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco on the one hand, British Honduras, Yucatan and America upon the other. There are some protruding portions within this that must have at one time or another been a portion of this great continent. The British West Indies or the Bahamas, and a portion of same that may be seen in the present - if the geological survey would be made in some of these - especially, or notably, in Bimini and in the Gulf Stream through this vicinity, these may be even yet determined.


 He is saying there are a lot of lost peoples or atlantians that once occupied these places.

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« Reply #265 on: August 28, 2007, 04:28:20 pm »

Dear Qoais,

You said :
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One, show the mountain that is called Atlas that Blue Hue is referring to, and mark the place where he says the Pillar of Heracles was (not Gibralter)

Please find below the situation of Ras Dejen  = Atlas in Ethiopia Semien mountains. I think these mountains were the Herakles Pillars, as they are not far from the Straits of Bab-el-Mandeb at the exit of Red Sea opening in the Indian Ocean.

MY SINCERE APOLOGIES, Ladies JULIA, QOAIS & TITEIA,

THE MOUNTAIN OF ATLAS is in ADEN atlas also means Kingdom of Ad(=- ADEN as in the KORANIC land-of- AD.)

My guess is that the Pillars of Heracles refer to a manmade pillared Temple (of Poseidon.)on the central island of the extinct ADEN CRATER

I have written so much that I lost track of my replies, indeed there are several supposed Locations for Heracles-two- PILLARS . The socalled ABBAS Mountains(= HABESH !) in Ethiopia for exsample.
When I mentioned AZANIA the other day " JULIA ' by accident thought that I had mentioned TAN-ZANIA, but now I see what the problem was.

The french-Somali-Part of Ethiopia was once names AZANIA and when Bishop Frumentius converted the then KING of Ethiopia to Orthodox- Christianity in 435 AD his name was AZANIAS
the british half of Somalia was once named PUNTA-Land or Barbaria and we now know that PLATO's AZAES was Azania.

For your information:

The 4 PILLARS of Chronos was not a physical Pillar but a Central geographic place in ADEN used as an astronomical Observatorium. The indian Mandala temples and the Muslim Mosk  are actually copies of the Heavenly/ celestial constellations above that place.  mandala Temples with a 5-th central -Dome and with 4 Pillars are an example of a similar TEMPEL- of- Poseidon in ( Little-)ADEN. whitch was a Kailassa or Elephant temple.

The 4 Pillars or winddial Corners of the World were also represented by Elephants thus the 4 winds Boares Zephyr etc were originally pictured as flying White Elephants before 'media-Shortening made them into Greek angels or just puffing Clouds with a face.  the wind-blowing cherubs are actually representing an Elephant in Mediashortening Style
So in a sence an Elephant is one of the four " PILLARS'  I suppose that the Two Pillars of Heracles were actually TWO-SETS of TWO Pillars but that notion withered away in  the course of time

Pillars as geographical objects  are actually the same as Isles an Isle is also  pillared court or gangwayand if we speak of the Isles of Atlantis we actually talk about Coastal Promotories that extent as zocalled' Pillars'from the Seashore thus a Pillar ( or Atlantic Isle ) must be equated with a promotory/ Isthmus or a raised-guyot- islandn r a Tombolo, not a freestanding Mountain as in Gibraltar

The 1000 pillars of Irem or IMRAM near Aden means  indeed an Island realm.  The Gardxen of EDEN consisted of Trees which were also called  a-  PILLAR- Garden.

Sincerely  Sad  " BlueHue " Sad   dd 28 Aug. 2007
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #266 on: September 08, 2007, 01:50:20 am »

Well, Blue Hue,

I'm seeing where there is logic in your explanation, although it took me a long time to figure out just what you were saying. 

Now if what you are saying is true, especially about the spelling errors, in particular ATHE and At, that's a starting point all right.  It does make sense that Plato would not use Latin.

Have you researched any archeological works in the area?  Has anything been recorded as being found that would indicate the proper age bracket, or anything unusual that would give notice to the scientific community that they should search in that area?

I don't know if you're reading other threads in this forum, but there is quite a bit of activity going on around the world, in the search for Atlantis, although it seems that some finds are being "protected" by certain governments.  Therefore, knowledge is being kept from the general public and even some researchers are finding it difficult to search certain areas.

I'm not sure that I'd agree that India was part of Atlantis.  From the Vedas, it would almost seem that India was the enemy of Atlantis and they fought with nuclear weapons.  The areas in the world with vitrified sand ( caused by extreme high heat) that is "pure" (in other words, not contaminated with debris from an asteroid impact) are India, Arabia, Libya and Egypt.  I believe there is some in South America also.  So basically, this kind of indicates that the "war" was in a more or less centralized area, from Libya to India and the vitrified sand in S. America is the odd man out. (so to speak).  It's possible the war in India was more or less between two different factions, but they did have flying machines and they do describe terrible weapons. 

If it's true, that the Great Pyramid was once zapped with one of these weapons, and repaired with man-made blocks, it's possible that the remnants of atlantis had based themselves in Libya and were fighting from there.

Generalizations on my part of course, but I like putting little bits and pieces together to see if they make a bigger picture.
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« Reply #267 on: September 18, 2007, 02:57:19 pm »

 Cry ATLANTIS was divided in THREE parts the other 7 were just OCCICE-Titles one of these 3 parts was INDIA-MINOR denoting present 'india'.  Grin
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« Reply #268 on: October 17, 2007, 02:17:06 pm »

For some time now, some of us have been using Dr. Kuhne's thread for discussions on interpretations of the ancient Greek, and I would like to move that discussion here so as not to offend anyone.  As I've said before, I find Blue Hue's theory quite feasible, and would like to work on it a bit, and I also find a few other things totally facinating as well, such as Bianca's work on the history of the Black people and how they traveled the oceans 75,000 years ago.  The theory of Atlantis in Greenland - or at least a very early civilization is most interesting as well, and we now have someone on this forum who is working on that. 

Whatever "war" Plato is talking about, I am sort of thinking was not the big deal he makes of it, other than to brag up the Athenians.  It seems to me, if we look at the much larger picture, of people living in the North 75,000 years ago (proof having now been discovered since the Bok Saga) and we have ocean travel by the blacks that long ago, it would seem that this war of Platos WAS a local one and he obviously knew nothing of the bigger picture either.  Now, the Egyptians may have known a lot more than they told Solon, but Solon was only interested in Greek history, so it seems.  If the war WAS a more local one, then Blue Hue's theory of the location of Atlantis makes sense.  I know the Atlanteans had a large empire, so perhaps this was a small faction of that Empire that was going to expand it.  Not all of the empire sunk, only a portion thereof which blocked passage to the ocean.  The Red Sea was also important to the Egyptians and it's quite possible the priest meant THAT passage was blocked, not the passage in the Med.

Nikas has said that we don't understand the nuances of the ancient Greek, so I'm trying to imagine what a conversation between the two learned men - the priest and Solon - would have been like.  Now if the time line of this war WAS 10,000 years ago, then the priest was using the Pillars of Hercules as a description of something, that Solon would understand.  It was not necessarily referencing what we NOW call the Pillars of Hercules, as obviously it was called something else 10,000 years ago, but since Plato likely wouldn't have understood the description if given in ancient Egyptian, the priest made a comparison so Plato could picture in his mind, what the priest was talking about.  The priest is talking about people within and without the Pillars.  To me, this whole story is quite localized and the priest is talking about a demarcation line between the peoples who fought the war.  I personally think it was a more local war, as to mount an attack from Gibralter on Greece and Egypt is totally illogical.  However, the Atlanteans were obviously established for a long time, likely had trade and ports and businesses in Egypt as well as Libya and even Italy, then the takeover would have been feasable.    If the Atlanteans WERE south of Egypt already, and in Arabia, they could sail their troops up the Red Sea and could also sail ships from their Med. coast to Greece.  This makes sense.
As for the description of this "City", it could well be that it was on the coast of the Red Sea.  When we think "island" we associate this with a small piece of land in a large body of water, but an island is "land surounded on all sides by water".  An island can be inland, surrounded by rivers.  I understand that the coast lines of the Red Sea are mountainous and volcanic.  The Amazons attacked their neighbors, the Atlanteans, and proceeded thru Libya to Egypt.  This makes sense if the Amazons lived on an inland island, south of Egypt, first attacking the Atlanteans who would be north of them, and then thru Libya which would be south of Egypt but north of the Atlanteans, and then Egypt itself, where the Amazon queen made friends with the Pharoah.

When the priest said "this sea" is only a harbour, he could well have meant the Red Sea and not the Med. 

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« Reply #269 on: October 17, 2007, 02:37:34 pm »

Since Plato was the only one to use the word Atlantis, it does seem that this is a corruption of some other word or words.  Perhaps it happened in the interpretations, and perhaps, because the story was a verbal one, each person pronounced this name differently and by the time Plato heard it, he wrote it as he understood it to be pronounced.  Or he wrote it in a way that it's name meant what he thought the original explantion meant.  But since we don't know what Plato thought it meant, we don't know why he wrote it that way.
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