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« Reply #2025 on: April 27, 2010, 10:17:59 am »

… after the Flood
 
After such a geocatastrophic event - what would have to be expected? A waive of migration in all directions!
 
In Europe, Neolithic Culture dwelled on the Balkans for almost 1000 years. The year 5500 BC is the year of the Neolithic Diaspora in Europe: Linear Band Ceramics, a culture known through certain ornaments on their ceramics, spread through Europe within centuries, reaching Switzerland no later than 5300 BC and covering the area from the Paris Basin to the Ural Mountains before 5000 BC. In today’s Serbia and Romania, the Vinca-Culture establishes 5500 BC. This culture is even more developed and already had a complex system of writing.


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« Reply #2026 on: April 27, 2010, 10:19:23 am »

For Egypt, the first Neolithic settlements start at 5500 BC, according to newest evidence. However, here we are confronted with a problem: From 5500 BC to 3000 BC the level of the World Ocean rises another 45 feet. Early cities in the Delta of the river Nile have to be expected well below the surface and well within ground waters. This is the reason, why the Egyptian Culture seems to rise from virtually out of nothing around 3500-3000 BC: Only the traces at the very rim, in the desert and in oases, have been found. The cities are buried under today’s Delta. We are convinced that American Geologist Robert Schoch is absolutely right to date the Sphinx no later than 5000 BC.
 
Mesopotamia: The fist settlements here have been proven to start at 5000 BC. This gap of 500 years can very well be explained. First of all, the story of the Tower of Babel gives us a hint: Before settling in Mesopotamia, refugees built a city in Eastern Anatolia; Mesopotamia was not really a good place to live: Natural resources are scarce and artificial irrigation has to be developed in order to be able to cope with unsteady waters. On the other hand: The Gulf of Persia used to be a real paradise at that time - before it was drowned by the water of the Indian Sea through the Strait of Hormuz and buried by the sediments of the rivers Euphrat and Tigris…

Overall, it is well known that the Indo-European Language was first developed in the region of the Black Sea. Scientists are fighting whether in the North, the South or the West - and they are not sure when exactly this language spread over the whole area from Western Europe to India. We are convinced that this language was spread over a wide region with the Great Flood that destroyed Atlantis, the prosperous Neolithic Center in today’s Black Sea. Indeed, review of genetic code confirms that the centre of a big waive of migrations is located around (exactly: in!) the Black Sea.
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« Reply #2027 on: April 27, 2010, 10:21:05 am »

EARLY WRITING
 
This section could very well be put together with the spread of language and the findings in the genetic code, since its spread basically follows the same rules and logic. However, the obvious evidence in this area is widely ignored, while much attention and acceptance is given to speech and genetics. In principal, the spread of writing is indispensabley linked directly with speech and genetics.
 
When the first letters were found in the Balkan region, scientists assumed they were originally brought over by colonists from Babylon. There was compelling evidence, that the writing systems were similar: As a matter of fact, many of the letters seemed to be identical.
 
Later it was found out, that the Old European Writing had to be dated no later than 5500 BC, which made it 2000 years older than the first signs in Mesopotamia. Since then, archaeology chose to completely ignore this fact, which radically contradicted the well settled doctrine. Especially thanks to American scientist Marija Gimbutas and German scientist Harald Haarmann, the existence of such an early writing system in Europe is known and widely accepted. You can find an example of the Old European Writing/Vinca-Font here.
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/vinca.htm
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« Reply #2028 on: April 27, 2010, 10:27:50 am »

   

Old European Writing (Vinca Script)

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« Reply #2029 on: April 27, 2010, 10:29:59 am »

For three reasons early writing in Europe is important:
 
First of all, it helps to answer the question “When did Atlantis exist?” We are convinced that the destruction of Atlantis happened before 3000 BC: The Egyptians had a writing and a comprehensive dating system since around that date. Had Atlantis submerged after that date, the Egyptian Priest would have been able to say exactly when and exactly where. But Sonchis clearly sets the event long before the first dynasty of pharaohs. On the other hand, such a story with all its details cannot be transported over time without a writing system. Atlantis existed before 3000 BC; it had to exist not much earlier than the earliest writing system on the other hand. Consequently, we receive a time frame for the existence of Atlantis: 6000-3000 BC.
 
Secondly, the following question can be answered: “How could the saga of Atlantis be transported so far over time?” The answer is: The first refugees to Egypt already had a writing system. As a matter of fact, the Egyptian Priest was citing a primary source. This is why the saga is - as we will provide later in our catalogue - correct in so many details. Just recently German Archaeologist Guenther Dreyer re-dated the first Egyptian writing: He found that already 3400 BC a complete set of phonetic writing existed, making Egyptian Writing older than the Writing of Sumer. This had to be expected and we expect a further shift of this timeline. Unfortunately, the oldest and most abundant findings are covered by water and sediments in the Delta of the Nile.
 
Finally, early writing helps to answer the question “Where did Atlantis exist?” It is explicitly stated that Atlantis used to have a writing system. This also has to be expected from the level of development, especially of trade, as it has been described. Now, when the first known writing can be found at the middle Danube region, it is to assume that it was brought by refugees from Atlantis, the Neolithic center in the Black Sea, upwards on their way through Europe.
 
Overall, archaeologists are mistaken when they assume trade and exchange between cultures based on similar signs and writings. As a matter of fact, there is a common source in the same way as in speech or genetics.
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« Reply #2030 on: April 27, 2010, 02:53:42 pm »

The vinca letters came from the Azilians on the west coast in Iberia.

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Cleito,which means sloping hill or emperor's favorite,is approximately 10 miles from the sea wall viewable at Josephine that is comparable to the 5.7 or 6 miles in Plato.









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« Reply #2031 on: April 27, 2010, 06:56:04 pm »


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The vinca letters came from the Azilians on the west coast in Iberia.

The Vinča symbols, or signs, also known as the Vinča alphabet, Vinča-Turdaş script, or Old European script, are a set of symbols found on prehistoric artifacts from southeastern Europe.

I think you should check your facts before you make statements that aren't correct.

The Vinca civilization in Europe was one of the earliest urban societies to emerge in the world, in Southern Charpatian aria more than 7,500 years ago. They developed a writing system whose wedge-shaped strokes would influence the style of scripts in the same geographical area for the next 3000 years.
It is actually possible to trace the long road of invention of the Vinca writing system starting with the mysterious Tartaria tablets from Transylvania, Dacia, known today as Romania.
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« Reply #2032 on: April 27, 2010, 08:00:50 pm »

Topography
 
The Atlantic Sea means the Black Sea: This Sea used to be in-naviable due to methane and hydrosulfide gas resulting from the biological death of the sea as a consequence of inflowing saltwater into the freshwater lake. Rising gas bubbles lead a ship to immediately sink because the relative density of water with bubbles rapidly deteriorates. The methane gas is stored within the sediments at the bottom of the sea. The early Greece still called the sea “inhospitable sea”.
The Atlantic Ocean itself received its name from a misled location of Atlantis; consequently, this name does not give a clue to the location. The Greek word for sea, pontos, alone means the Black Sea. In the same way the Indo-European word for sea, mare (Latin), morje (Russian), meer (German), meru (Indian) originally means the Black Sea. Finally, if one takes a look at the global map of any culture in this region, Indian, Egypt, even antique Greece, the Black Sea is always in the middle.



The area is the basin in the northwest of the Black Sea. The area from Danube River to Don River and from Dneporopetrowsk to the former shoreline coincides with the size mentioned in the saga. As described, the area is slightly sloped towards the Black Sea rim.
 
The mountains in the north with their rich settlements mean the Carpathian Mountains with the archaeologically proven settlements of Starcevo-Koeroes-Cris. Wood, salt, gold, silver, probably copper and certainly obsidian (see below) were transported towards Atlantis via the Alt and Danube rivers. The location in the northwest coincides with the steady wind out of northwest.
 
It is supposed that Atlantis was an island. This is partly correct, partly not: The absolute center actually was an island with channels/rivers on all sides. The whole area was not an island. From the context it is clear that the word island is used in two different meanings: To describe the island in the middle of the capital and the country Atlantis itself. Swiss archaeologist Eberhard Zangger found out, that the Egypt Hieroglyph means both: Island and foreign country.
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« Reply #2033 on: April 27, 2010, 08:04:01 pm »

The Pillars of Hercules are identical with the Strait of Bosporus. As a matter of fact, the primary source did not say anything about the Strait of Gibraltar. First of all, the Pillars of Hercules are probably misinterpreted by the Egyptian Priest. We suppose that the primary source tells something about a strait in the west. Further, the Strait of Gibraltar received the name later through re-interpretation. In the beginning, the Strait of Bosporus was identified with this name. Later, around 2000 BC the antique Greece culture moved towards its today location from their area north of the Black Sea. Whereas the original Pillars of Hercules used to be in the west (from the earlier location), they were now lying in the east (from today’s location). Consequently, the name was given to the new strait in the west, Gibraltar. In the same way the name Hesperia (West) moved from the Carpathian Mountains (Atlantis-time) over Italy to Spain with the expansion of Greece’s horizon. Further, hero Hercules/Herakles is believed to dig the channel before putting up the pillars. This interpretation is not very fitting for the big strait at Gibraltar but for the 20 miles long and 1 mile wide channel from the Mediterrainan Sea/Marmara Sea to the Black Sea (picture). Finally, the mis-interpretation is due to the fact that Herakles visited Iberia. Later, when the saga was interpreted by the Greece and Romans, Iberia meant Spain. Earlier, Iberia was a country at the eastern coast of the Black Sea!

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« Reply #2034 on: April 27, 2010, 08:08:05 pm »

War on Greece and Egypt
 
The Atlantis saga very clearly and explicitly refers to Egyptian and Greece ancestors in Anatolia. There is strong evidence that both, Greece and Egyptians partly migrated from there to today’s location. This makes the war on Greece and Egypt a war of Europe against Asia or North-Black Sea against South-Black Sea.
 
Flood
 
Noah’s Flood as described by Pitman/Ryan lets Atlantis disappear in the Black Sea. Today it is not possible to determine, whether an earthquake caused the land barrier to break. Nevertheless, the Marmara region is known for its frequent and heavy earthquakes.
 
Economy and Trade
 
As we found out, Oreichalcos means the obsidian stone. This stone was used intensively until 5500 as trading good/early money. In Europe it was replaced by the spondylus shell beginning 5500 BC. This is the reason why the priest Sonchis only knew the name oreichalcos without a hint or an idea of its real meaning; he had no idea that such a stone used to be cash. The purpose on the other hand determined its value to be second after gold: It reflected the amount of trade and the economic power. The flood virtually led to the first hyperinflation of mankind and the previous role of this precious stone was forgotten.


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« Reply #2035 on: April 27, 2010, 08:13:44 pm »

Rivers/Channels/Irrigation/Two crops:

 This is self-explaining in view of the rivers flowing through this area/basin. Irrigation (first use proven for Jericho, 7000 BC) allowed a second crop.
 
The population must have been relatively large (for Stone Age settlements). Steady growth through (i) good situation with respect to nutrition and (ii) steady inflow from migrations. The spread/diaspora after the flood shows that many people must have lived here. Overcrowding was compensated by migrations upwards the main European rivers, establishing five new “river-kingdoms”.
 
Trade: Atlantis was lying at the estuary of the big European rivers. Obviously there also was a loose connection to India/China because the route was not yet dried out. The use of pigs and lake dwellings was imported from there.
 
Circular Structure: The circular structure inspired the refugees; The first known circular structures in Europe date back as far as 5000 BC. Further, these were used as sun observatories; it was Atlas, the first King of Atlantis, who first discovered the secret of the sphere. Also, the idea of the labyrinth can be traced back to Atlantis.




Reconstruction of Goseck (5000 BC), one of 200 circular structures in Europe,
Reconstruction of Atlantis, the Greek Enemy Atlantis as the Minotaur

Elephants existed in the plain/basin of Atlantis. Due to the fact that the route from India to Europe was not yet arid, Indian Elephants lived in this area. The last elephants in the region were eliminated not earlier 800 BC. Pharao Thutmosis III as a hunter killed 120 elephants there in 1200 BC.
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« Reply #2036 on: April 27, 2010, 08:15:22 pm »

Kings
 
Iapetos: According to Plato, Poseidon is the father of Atlas. We believe that the conservative view is valid, where the titan Iapetos is the father of Atlas. This change/break has been introduced by Plato intentionally: Iapetos was the grandfather of both, Deukalion and Pyrrha, who survived “Noah’s Flood” in Greek Mythology. As a matter of fact, the Greek Mythology has been brought to Greece 2000 BC by migrants from the area north of the Black Sea. Consequently, the Greek culture as we know it with God Zeus is identical with the descendants of Atlantis. With Iapetos, Plato would have highlighted a basic problem of Greek culture, never ending war between the Greece clans.
Further, the other three sons of Iapetos are identical with three other kings of Atlantis, and together they build the core of this culture:
Prometheus = Ampheres
Epimetheus = Euaimon
Menoitios = Mneseus
Further, the King Eumelos/Gadeiros is identical with Greece’s Hesperos
Iapetos is believed to be identical with the Jafetits of the Bible. They are represented by the third son of Noah, Jafet.
 
As far as the sequence of mentioning of the kings is concerned, please note, that the sequence follows a certain logic: Atlas (1) in the center, Eumelos/Gadeiros (2) as a very strong region (partly autonomous?) in the outer west, three kings (3-5) around the center (Capital) and five kings (6-10) each representing one of the five main rivers in the area. As far as the last kings are concerned: 6. = outer west 7. outer east 8-10. from west to east
 
Atlas lived in the Capital, probably Snake Island off the coast of Romania
 
Eumelos, Gadeiros: According to the Atlantis saga this region still existed at the time where Solon laid down the saga the first time. We are convinced that this means the people of Getae, who lived in the region of today’s Romania/Bulgaria.
 
Ampheres, Euaimon, Mneseus: Obviously, no direct reference can be made, since these regions around the center island were drowned.
 
Autochthon refers to the Danube River. The translation means native inhabitants.
 
Elasippos means horse of war; refers to their first domestication: Don River
 
Mestor = Dnestr River (similarity in sound)
 
Azaes = Bug River, Azaes means “the small one”
 
Diaprepes = Dnepr River (similarity in sound)
 
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« Reply #2037 on: April 27, 2010, 08:16:12 pm »

Not included
 
The following items cannot be found in our Atlantis as we understand it. Since they all refer to the military order which was explained by Plato very elaborate, we assume that these items were invented by Plato:
 
Triere (ship with three decks, not yet invented)
Horse (according to archaeology not yet domesticated)
Chariot (not yet known, however status symbol in Greece)
 
 
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« Reply #2038 on: April 28, 2010, 01:35:52 am »

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The Vinča symbols, or signs, also known as the Vinča alphabet, Vinča-Turdaş script, or Old European script, are a set of symbols found on prehistoric artifacts from southeastern Europe.

I think you should check your facts before you make statements that aren't correct.


I'll give you the benefit of misunderstanding as usual Qoasis. When I said the vinca script came from the Azilian, meaning it evolved from there 5000 years before the vinca.



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« Reply #2039 on: April 28, 2010, 02:21:50 pm »

They aren't even close.  R. Cedric Leonard has stated that his theory is his own conjecture regarding whether or not the 2 are related.  He's entitled to his opinion.  The experts say the Vinca Script was found and originated in what is known today as Romania.  It has nothing to do with the Azilian script which was found in Spain and S. France.  It is not commonly accepted that the Azilian figures ARE an alphabet and not just pictographs.  If it IS a written language, it would be the oldest found, but so far no one has deciphered it and R. Cedric Leonard is making his own assumptions regarding the relationship between the two sets of characters.

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