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« Reply #1530 on: August 23, 2009, 01:53:09 am »

Yes, I have suggested in the past that Plato may have been psychic.  He used this material to weave into a story that we now know as Atlantis.  It doesn't mean that Plato invented Atlantis.  He was merely looking at a reality, just as Cayce and others have done.  Each has described Atlantis from a different perspective.  I have no problem with that.

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« Reply #1531 on: August 23, 2009, 10:18:34 am »

Hi Tom!  It makes a lot of sense that way doesn't it?  The two statements that stick out for me are A) the one about triremes being in the harbour bringing goods from all different countries - and - B) from there you could travel to other islands and then to the true continent that surrounds the real ocean.  (or words to that effect).  It would also explain the bit about him insisting that the story was true.  I mean, who would argue with the akashic records?Huh
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« Reply #1532 on: August 23, 2009, 11:13:31 am »

That's true.  It also eliminates the endless bickering about what the Egyptians knew, what the Greeks knew, what the Phoenicians knew, what their numbering systems were, and how a little boy could remember exactly what an old man said and report on it decades later in great detail.  All of this speculation becomes irrelevant.

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« Reply #1533 on: August 24, 2009, 12:15:44 am »

Wow, you're right about all that.  I'll have to sit and ponder the whole Atlantis tale right from the beginning again, in this new light.  Let's imagine just for a moment, what Plato might have felt after seeing say, a vision of the east (in his tale Greece and those who fought with her) and the west - America (possibly joined by Mexico) fighting some time in the future.  He would be totally stunned and awed.  He may not be able to describe a tank perhaps, in terms other than a chariot, or a thrower, could be a rocket launcher, but how does he tell all this - how to describe what the vision showed him - except for the aftermath, which anyone can understand. 
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« Reply #1534 on: August 25, 2009, 12:17:28 am »

Basically, we have 3 Atlantis'.  I was saying 2 in another forum, but really it should be broken down to 3.

We have Herodotus mentioning the Atlantians as living by a salt pillar at the base of a tall mountain called Atlas, which, on a map, would be at the eastern end of the Atlas mountains in Western Africa.

We have Plato talking about Atlantis, beyond the Pillars of Hercules, but were the pillars at Tunis for that story or were they at Gibraltar by then?

We have Edgar Cayce's Atlantis in Bimini.

And as was said in the other forum, none of them based in reality.
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« Reply #1535 on: August 25, 2009, 09:34:44 pm »

And of course, having said that, I'm still out there searching!!!!  I'm hooked.  Do I need a discussion group?  Hi, my name is Qoais and I'm hooked on the story of Atlantis Tongue

Greg Little will recognize this of course:

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Not long after [1997], studies were published that had performed mtDNA analysis on the remains of individuals who had been buried in mounds in north central America. Sometime thereafter many studies reported on the testing of ancient remains recovered from burials from other parts of the United States. As with the living Native Americans haplogroup X showed up - in about 4 percent of the remains. But in the Northeast, in the traditional lands of the Iroquois, it was in nearly 25 percent of some tribes as well as in ancient remains. Then haplogroup X was found in several individuals who had died over 8000 years ago in Florida. All these remains were so old that the implications were crystal clear: haplogroup X had to have entered America thousands of years before historical times. (Ancient South America, Little et al, pub 2002, p 50)
This same book published by these authors added the significant new item:

In a 2001 study haplogroup X was identified in ancient remains (6,000-8,000 years old) found in several cemeteries in the traditional area occupied by the Basque - The Pyrenees Mountains of France and Spain. (Ancient South America, by Gregory L. Little, John Van Auken, Lora Little published 2002, p 50.)
That is significant to Casey followers because of all the places that Casey indicates were locations for departing Atlanteans, the Pyrenees were the most frequently referenced in his readings. Theosophists may also observe that the Pyrenees get special mention by Blavatsky relative to Atlantis.

Once the rare and mysterious haplogroup X was shown to be in the Basque population as well as in North America - we have proven what we set out to prove. Blavatsky has been proven right again.

In summary: mitochondrial DNA discoveries show that the Basque population is related to the North American Indian population. Since these results were obtained from 6,000 to 8000 year old cemeteries in the Basque area and since they were also ancient in North America, they were not caused by activities occurring after Columbus. Instead they reveal an ancient connection. The most natural explanation is a common center in Atlantis. Unfortunately we cannot at this time determine the actual haplogroups of Atlantis - we can only determine the haplogroup of the Atlanteans by inference.

We also have an interesting detail concerning when the mtDNA entered North America.

The time estimates on haplogroup X entering America were at first shaky, because too few samples had been taken. But later, it seemed hat haplogoup X entered by 28,000 B.C. and again in 10,000 B.C. (ibid, p 50)
These appear to be waves of immigration from Atlantis. The second wave corresponds to the date of the sinking of Atlantis as given by both Casey and Theosophy. That should count as another supportive discovery.


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« Reply #1536 on: August 26, 2009, 01:20:15 am »

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,20718.msg167575.html#msg167575

Link to Mr. Alfred's conclusions regarding Plato's Atlantis and my comments afterwards!
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« Reply #1537 on: September 08, 2009, 11:27:04 pm »

I've just posted in the Ancient Maps thread, and want to cover the same ground here (so I don't forget!):



This map was made around 1693 by Vincenzo Maria Coronelli and situates Frisland to the east of Greenland.

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/01/12/62-frisland-an-italian-fabrication-in-the-north-atlantic/

The discovery of America was an Italian enterprise, but not to the credit of a Genoan named Columbus. In the 14th century, Venetian brothers Nicolo and Antonio Zeno sailed west on the Northern Atlantic, discovering places they called Frisland and Icaria (two islands near Greenland), Estotiland (on the North American mainland) and Drogio (an island close to the mainland, possibly Nova Scotia).

Or so it says in De I Commentarii del Viaggio, a 16th century account of their travels by Nicolo Zeno, one of their descendants. This latter-day Zeno claimed to have found a manuscript and a map, both made by his ancestors, in his proverbial attic. Nicolo the Younger had it published in 1558. At the time, it was generally believed to be a true account. A second version of the map was issued by fellow Venetian Giordano Ruscelli in 1561.

In 1569, Gerhard Mercator copied the Zeno map into his influential World Map. Abraham Ortelius did the same for his renowned map of the Northern Atlantic in 1573. In 1595, Mercator included Frisland (not to be confused with Friesland, which does exist on the North Sea coast of the Netherlands and Germany) in a separate inset on his 1595 map of the North Pole. Thus Frisland, and the other fanciful lands fabricated by the 16th century Zeno (most likely), came to be known as ‘fact’, and were copied by other cartographers, often with variations on the name such as Fixland, Freezeland or Frischlant. Only much later did it become clear they were imaginary.

But not before causing some real-world confusion for discoverers such as Martin Frobisher, who in 1576 reported seeing a ‘high and rugged land’, which according to Mercator’s map ought to be Frisland. Frobisher claimed Frisland for England, not realizing he probably saw the coast of Greenland.  The confusion continued when he explored Baffin Island – which Frobisher thought was Greenland. Accordingly, Frobisher’s Strait (which in fact is a bay) for many years was situated at the tip of Greenland instead of Baffin Island. Cartographers continued to include Frisland on maps of the North Atlantic as late as the 18th century. As imaginary places go, Frisland had quite some staying power – probably because it was confused with Greenland and/or the Faroer Islands.  The question remains: who did the confusing? The older Zenos, their descendant, later cartographers and explorers? Or some of them? Or all of them?
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« Reply #1538 on: September 08, 2009, 11:41:35 pm »



Throughout the 16th century and even later cartographers showed an island called Frisland just below Iceland (Figures 1.51 and 1.52 below). As no such island exists today, it is generally believed to be a fantasy island invented by the early mapmakers, who even introduced names for landmarks on Frisland and its surrounding islets. Several other fictitious islands are also depicted on many of these maps, but only those indicated on the 1569 map by Mercator will be dealt with here.

http://www.riaanbooysen.com/terra-aus/87-terraproof1?start=7

Riaan Booysen makes a good case for Frisland to be sunken island.

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« Reply #1539 on: September 09, 2009, 10:06:51 am »

A bit about the Zeno Narrative:

Nicolo Zeno "Junior", the author of the Zeno Narrative as published in 1558, was born in Venice in 1515. The Zeno publication was the young Zeno's efforts to recount the discoveries and travels of his Zeno ancestors, as transcribed from letters between Nicolo Zeno the Chevalier (133?-1395), his brother Carlo Zeno "The Lion" (?-1418), and Nicolo's son Antonio (?-1405). Being the great-great-great-grandson of Antonio Zeno, the letters came into his hands after the death of his father. He then put the letters "in order", "...that such an important memorial should not be lost..."

The Zeno Narrative told about many things including a survey to make a map of Greenland in about 1393. This survey was conducted by Nicolo Zeno, and later by Prince Henry Sinclair's ships. This Zeno "Map of the North" proved to be the most accurate map in existence for the next 150 years!

From the pages of the Zeno's Narrative and Map, a chronicle of Antonio Zeno, a Venetian Sea Captain in the employ of a Scottish Prince, Henry St.Clair (Sinclair), we also see the account Captain Zeno relates about how his father met Prince Henry, how he (Antonio) later came into the employ of Prince Sinclair, and about the experiences of a voyage of exploration and colonization to North America in 1398.

"...Sinclair happened to be in the Faeroe Islands, which were part of his earldom in 1390, when he heard a ship had been wrecked and, since shipwrecks were fair game for pillage at the time, the local fishermen were attacking the crew. Sinclair rescued the mariners, and discovered they were Venetians. Their commander, Nicolo Zeno, was a brother of the most famous admiral of the time, Carlo Zeno. Sinclair hoped to dominate the northern seas, and promptly appointed Nicolo commander of his fleet."

The meeting of Captain Nicolo was most timely. He shared with Prince Henry the Zeno family method of constructing and adapting a lightweight cannon for use on board ship. One that could be pivoted and aimed at the enemy without the maneuvering of the ship. Captain Nicolo was also well versed in the latest navigational theories and cartographic skills. After Nicolo's death, Sinclair appointed Zeno's son Antonio, as fleet commander.

Not only did the Zeno Map chart the sea with uncanny precision, it also showed certain landmarks. For example, it illustrated two cities in Estotilanda (Nova Scotia), possibly founded by Sinclair at Louisburg Harbor and St. Peter's. A castle or fortification was also shown. There is speculation that Zeno based his map upon a much more ancient map, coming from the Templars in the Middle East and carried in secrecy by them for safekeeping in Rosslyn Castle until Price Henry commissioned its update by Zeno.

From "The Westford Knight Saga" we read:

"Prince Henry Sinclair, The Second Earl of Orkney, his first cousin Sir James Gunn of Thurso, and Captain Antonio Zeno departed the Orkney Islands early in the year 1398 and sailed to what is now known as Greenland. After leaving a small colony the voyagers sailed on to what is now Nova Scotia where the voyagers landed to spend the winter. They were welcomed by the local indigenous people as White Gods, "Glooscap", legendary figures. The legend of these people, who were called the Micmacs, is similar to the Mayan myth of Quetzalcoatl, a people living thousands of miles south. However, that is where the similarities end. These newcomer's did not bring conflict nor did they bring destruction. It was recorded that the voyagers taught the arts of fishing and farming to the Micmacs. Prince Henry Sinclair and Sir James Gunn's dealings with the Micmacs left such a favorable impression that they were remembered by them in legend and song. In the Spring the explorers sailed down the coast to what is now known as Westford, Massachusetts and found the Merrimack River. They explored inland until they came upon a small tributary now known as the Stony River. A short way up the Stony is where they made anchorage just a short distance from our present day Westford, Massachusetts. Several large engraved mooring stones have been found along the banks indicating that as many as twelve long boats could have been tied up here. While there in a unrecorded incident, Sir James Gunn died. Although how he died is not recorded in the Zeno narrative, the broken sword does indicate that he died in battle."

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/Museum/zeno.html
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« Reply #1540 on: September 09, 2009, 10:13:38 am »

SCOTS IN AMERICA - NINETY FOUR YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS.



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In 1398 Prince Henry Sinclair, his Venetian navigators Antonio and Nicola Zeno, and "three hundred Knights Templar," left Orkney in twelve ships.

They sailed to the Faroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland then on to Nova Scotia and New England.

This is the story of the "Zeno Narrative," a document that records and maps the travels and explorations of Prince Henry Sinclair with his companions to the New World, ninety four years before Christopher Columbus made his epic voyage. Prince Henry Sinclair was born in 1345, at Rosslyn Castle, and was the descendant of the Saint Clair / Gisors a Norman family that was granted the Barony of Rosslyn, Midlothian, Scotland in the 12th century.

Prince Henry in 1379 also gained the Earldom of Orkney. This Earldom included Shetland, the Faroe islands and possibly Iceland. Altogether some two hundred islands in the North Atlantic.

During the period of rapid decline of the Knights Templars' influence in Europe, many Templars travelled to Scotland where they received protection from the "Suppression

Order," that had been issued by the French king Philip "le Bel," and supported by Pope Clement V.

The "Suppression Order," resulted in the Knights Templar either organising new orders e.g. the "Hospitaliers," and the Knights of Santiago," or to seek refuge in other lands.

Protection was granted in Scotland as Robert the Bruce refused to obey the Suppression Order," for he had earlier been excommunicated by the church for the murder of John "the Red," Comyn. The Sinclair family had been Templars since 1118 and while Bruce was the Sovereign Grand Master of all Crafts and Guilds, Sir William Sinclair (Henry's father) was the Hereditary Grand Master.

Sir William perished in Spain while attempting to transport Bruce's heart to the Holy Land.

Prince Henry joined the "King Peter," crusade of 1365 and while in Venice he met the famous Zeno family. The Venetians were the victors in this campaign, however, the ports of the region were closed to them by their enemies. This could have been the reason that Antonio and Nicola joined Prince Henry. The citizens of Venice were traders, and with their ports blocked, new trade routes were eagerly sought. In 1391, Nicola sailed to Orkney, and shortly thereafter, sent word for his brother Antonio to join him.

At the age of fifty-three, Prince Henry sailed west from Orkney to Iceland, but while there was unable to take on provisions. The "Zeno Narrative," explains,


"..They all came running down to the seaside and attacked our men, with bows and arrows, so many were slain and several were wounded. Although we made signs of peace to them, it was no use.." "..When Zichmni (Sinclair) saw that he could do nothing, he realised the fleet would fall short of provisions if he were to persevere in his attempt. So he took a fair wind and sailed six days to the west, but when the wind shifted to the south-west and the sea became rough, we sailed four days with the wind aft. Then at last we discovered land. As the sea ran high and we did not know what country it was, we were afraid at first to approach it. But by God's blessing, the wind lulled, and then a great calm came on. Some of the crew then pulled ashore and soon returned with the joyful news that they had found an excellent country and a still better harbour, and we saw in the distance a great mountain that poured out smoke.."

This land is now recognised to be Nova Scotia. The Narrative continues,

"..After eight days the hundred soldiers returned and told us that they had been through the island and up the mountain. The smoke came naturally from a great fire at the bottom of a hill and there was a spring giving out a certain matter like pitch which ran into the sea, and there were great multitudes of people.."

The narrative describes a "..spring of burning pitch at the bottom of a hill.." This has been identified as Mt. Adams, which is near Stellerton.
Prince Henry and his companions befriended the peoples of the local Micmac nation and, for at least a year, explored much of the north- east coast of North America. There is evidence of this in a stone- carved effigy of a Sir James Gunn that has been dated by archaeologists as the late 14th century. This carving is located at Westford, Massachusetts.

Soon after Prince Henry returned to Orkney he was assassinated (1404). This was carried out by members of the Hanseanic League of Northern Germany, rivals for the trading areas. The travels and accomplishments were therefore temporarily concealed as Prince Henry's son (also named Henry) was arrested and held captive in England. However, Henry's daughter, Elizabeth, recounted the tale to her son John, who in turn told his in-laws. One of these in-laws was the wife of Christopher Columbus. It was not until 1558 before the "Zeno Narrative," was finally published.

The "Zeno Narrative," also included the "Zeno Map," of the North Atlantic. The eastern part of the map shows the outlines of Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Greenland (called Engronelant) is shown with permanent mountain ranges. Iceland (called Islanda) is shown between Norway and Greenland. The northern tip of Scotland is shown on the bottom right-hand corner. The diamond shaped area in the middle is thought to be floating pumice from a volcanic eruption on Iceland. At the bottom left-hand corner is the area thought to be Nova Scotia.

Several islands are also shown, they include Estland, Podalida, Estotialand, Icaria and the most famous Frisland. Why any of these islands were mistakenly drawn remains a mystery. The :Zeno Map," was first published in the first edition of Girolamo Ruscelli's "Geographia," in Venice in 1561.

Compliments of "THREE PILLARS MAPS.".

http://mastermason.com/WallerLodge/zeno.htm

Interesting - that the Freemasons would have interest in this.


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« Reply #1541 on: September 09, 2009, 10:19:54 am »

Beyond the shadow of a doubt
by Niven Sinclair

 

Introduction
I would like to turn to the "proofs" of the Sinclair voyage of 1398 to North America. Fourteen points will be offered, each based upon fact which I have carefully researched.

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Contingency plans
Before Henry Sinclair left on his voyage, he made certain dispositions of his lands to his brothers, John and David. He assigned the lands of Pentland to his brother John, whilst transferring the lands of Auchdale and Newburgh in Aberdeenshire to David.

To his eldest daughter, Elizabeth, who married Sir John Drummond of Cargill, he left his lands in Norway, provided he died without a male heir. This would suggest that he took his three sons with him on the voyage, as they were alive at the time and of an age when they would have been considered able to accompany a military or naval force.

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The Zeno Map
A map of the North Atlantic was drawn up by the Zeno brothers. In 1393, Henry Sinclair sent Nicolo Zeno to carry out a survey of Greenland. Nicolo returned to Orkney in 1395, where he died from prolonged exposure to the Arctic weather. He was succeeded as Henry's admiral by his brother, Antonio Zeno.

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Accuracy attested & confirmed
For the next several centuries, the Zeno Map was used by such well-known cartographers as Ruscelli (1561), Mercator (1569) and Ortelius (1574). And even subsequent maps made by Hondius (1597), Danckwertz, Corneille, and Tevernier (1628), and Bellini (1765) were, save for the orientation, inferior to the Zeno map. The authority for this statement is from Professor Hobbs of Michigan University.

The so-called Zeno Map had been compared by Professor Hapgood to an aerial survey of Greenland, carried out recently by the United States Air Force. Professor Hapgood found 37 points of identity with the Zeno Map. This is an incredible degree of accuracy.

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The Zeno Narrative
In the Words of Professor Taylor of London University, "The authenticity of the Zeno account has been challenged, but on very flimsy grounds. It appears to the present writer (Prof. Taylor) that it would be quite out of the question for any author to invent a story which in every detail reflects fact about which it would be quite impossible for him to have been aware. Such is the story of Markland, which Antonio Zeno, then in the Faeroes, sent back to his brother Carlo in Venice and which a descendant edited and published in 1558. The later Zeno was personally known to Ramusio, the great authority of his day on voyages and discoveries, whom he could have hardly have deceived."

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Zeno had never been to Rosslyn
The Zeno Narrative speaks of the "spring of pitch" which the reconnaissance party of 100 soldiers found at Stellarton and which they reported back to Prince Henry at Guysborough, both places in Nova Scotia. On hearing this, Prince Henry considered it was "good omen" because there was a similar "spring of pitch" at his home at Rosslyn in Scotland. The "pitch" had been used as medicine against the Black Death. It is reputed to have saved the Sinclairs from the scourges of that particular plague, so much so that they erected a shrine over its site.

Now this story is faithfully recounted in the Zeno Narrative, although Antonio Zeno had never been to Rosslyn. In other words, he could only have heard of the "spring of pitch" of Rosslyn from Henry as they both stood listening to the report of the returning soldiers in Nova Scotia.

Incidentally, the number of men Henry sent out was 100. Those of us who have been in the army will know that if you can afford to send out a reconnaissance party of this size, the base camp must have comprised many times that number.

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My personal inspection
I have visited all these places where Prince Henry is understood to have visited. You could too. If I had to describe the places visited, my description would have been almost identical to the words used in the Zeno Narrative.

http://www.clansinclaircanada.ca/articles/beyond.htm#map
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« Reply #1542 on: September 09, 2009, 01:04:52 pm »

...continued from previous post

The Westford Knight in Massachusetts
There is an effigy of a medieval knight carved on a rock ledge. It was "discovered" by an amateur geologist named Frank Glynn. I now quote from a report by Professor Lethbridge of Cambridge University:

"The sword carved on the rock can hardly be anything but a medieval sword. The whole hilt looks about AD 1200-1300. The significance of this is considerable. I do not see how this particular form of sword could be anything but European and pre-Columbian."
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Opinion of noted expert on Heraldry
Sir Iain Moncrieffe, the Albany Herald and one of Scotland's most noted authorities on heraldry writes:

"There is, of course, nothing remarkable in the idea that the Jarl of Orkney, a Scotsman, but also the premier noble of Norway, should sail to America in the 14th Century, for Norsemen had been crossing the Atlantic Ocean since at least four centuries before, and the great Scandinavian houses were all inter-related. Henry Sinclair was also related to the Gunns, at that time perhaps the next most important family on the Pentland Firth to the Sinclairs themselves. So the discovery at Westford of what is apparently an effigy of a fourteenth century knight in a bascinet, ca-mail and surcoat, with a heater-shaped shield bearing devices of a Norse-Scottish character such as might have been expected of a knight in Jarl Henry Sinclair's entourage, and a pommelled sword of the period is hardly likely to be coincidence. I rather think that the mighty Jarl stayed awhile and possibly wintered in Massachusetts."
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Newport Tower
In Rhode Island, the Newport Tower is perhaps the oldest stone building (not including monuments such as tumuli or dolmens) in America. It is based on the plan of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem which has the octagon within the circle. Its stone construction is similar in style to the Norse-Scottish buildings of the Western and Northern Isles. More important, to allay any doubt as to the identity of the builders, every single measurement within Newport Tower is based on the Scottish ell which equals three Norse feet.

It was customary for Knights returning from a pilgrimage to the Holy Land, to build a church on the design of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. We find these round churches all over Europe. Henry was certainly familiar with them. He had two of them in his island principality at Orphir and Egilsay in Orkney. He would have seen the round church at Northampton when he travelled to London in 1392 because he would have stayed with his Sinclair kin in Northampton Castle close by. He also knew of the round churches in Norway at Nidaros (now Trondheim) and at Tunsberg because he visited both places with some regularity. And he would have known of the five round churches on the island of Bornholm in Denmark where he stayed between 1363 and 1365. In Greenland, at Karotok, there is also the remains of a church which has the characteristics of Newport Tower.

Another aspect of the Newport Tower which identifies its origin as Norse/Scottish is the fireplace on the first floor above ground level. The majority of the round churches in Scandinavia (18 out of 27) have this feature. The door is also on the first floor. People gained access by a ladder which was lowered from the upper floor.

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Indian Language
Most historians of early European settlement in America pay scant regard to Indian legend and language from which we can learn much. An exception is Professor Roger McLeod of Lowell University in Massachussetts, who has compiled a huge dictionary of Norse and Gaelic words which have been assimilated into the language of the indigenous people most particularly into the language of the Algonkian group of the eastern seaboard of America. Reider T. Sherwin in his book The Viking and the Red Man also writes about Norse roots in the Algonkian language. Similarly, Arlington Mallery's book The Rediscovery of America, has an appendix showing the similarity between Norse and the language of the East coast tribes.

Whenever and wherever there is trade, there must be an assimilation of words by both sides in the transaction in order to facilitate that trade. The very scale of the infiltration of Norse words into the language of the indigenous population establishes, beyond all shadow of a doubt, that trade had been taking place for centuries before Columbus. There was even a Indian Chieftainess with the name of Magnus.

Henry Sinclair called the indigenous people of Nova Scotia "his beloved sons" or Micmac in Gaelic. Can it be coincidence that they are known as such to present day [now written Mi'kmaq] or that there is another tribe known as the Penikuk which is the title of the district (Penicuik) where Henry's lands were!

Incidentally, the Mi'kmaq Indians were by no means "savages" -- what post-Columbian explorers liked to call indigenous people. They had a written language which closely resembles hieroglyphics from Egypt. In fact, so closely are they similar that they are almost indistinguishable. See the works of Professor Barry Fell, who died recently while I was visiting America. Furthermore, skeletons have been found in America dating back to 37,000 BC. It is abundantly clear that the American Continent was visited by many people well before Columbus.

It is an on-going fact of life that language becomes assimilated when populations contact one another. For example, we are well aware that the English language owes much to French, Greek and Latin. We are not so aware of the Arabic words which we use every day such as alcohol, coffee, summit, zenith, and cotton. many other words are being absorbed all the time, especially as we eat at Chinese, Japanese and Indian restaurants. When I was a boy, I had never heard of pizza! Now it is a part of every child's vocabulary, if not their diet.

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Indian legends
Let us examine some of the legends of the Amerindians. When Henry began to build a ship from local materials, the Mic-macs tell of how "he built himself an island, planted trees on it, and sailed away in his stone canoe". The word "trees" refers to the masts. The word "stone" obviously refers to the hard deck of Henry's ship, as opposed to the open canoes of the Mi'kmaqs. When the Narragansett Indians were asked who built the Newport Tower, they replied, "They were fire haired men with green eyes who sailed up the river in a ship like a gull with a broken wing" The "broken wing" is a reference to a flapping sail. Notice that they used "fire-haired" not "fair-haired".

In his book, Prince Henry Sinclair, Frederick Pohl said that the Mi'kmaqs thought of Henry Pohl as their god Glooskap who taught them many things. I suspect they likened him to their God rather than assuming that their God had returned. It is interesting to note that all the Amerindians have similar stories about their gods "appearing from the East on a column of "spray" and that they were all tall, fair, and blue-eyed.

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Rosslyn Chapel
Far across the ocean in Scotland at the Rosslyn Chapel, there are stone carvings of Indian maize, the American aloe cactus and sassafras. All were carved before Columbus was born. This proves quite conclusively that someone from the Sinclair family had travelled to America and had returned with samples or drawings of the plants which they had found in the New World.

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The Hakluyt Society
From the Boston Herald in 1892 one can read:

"Lief Erickson came to the land of North America, built houses, made friends of the natives and explored the land giving names to places some of which exist to the present day. These names were placed on the charts and are the same which Henry St. Clair used, affixed to his maps now in possession of the Hakluyt Society in London, a reproduction of which can be found in Redpath's History of America."
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Conclusion
From all of the foregoing, it is clear that the proof of Henry Sinclair's voyage is indelibly hewn in stone on both sides of the Atlantic. It is recorded in the stories of the Amerindians and has been authenticated by historians in Europe and America. Whilst the Crew of Christopher Columbus were on the point of mutiny, we find that Henry Sinclair's Admiral, Antonio Zeno could write in a letter to brother Carlo in Venice:

"If ever there was man who was worthy of immortal memory, it is this man because of his great bravery and goodness."

Henry's treatment of the indigenous people was impeccable by the standards of even today.

Columbus was mercenary with all the greed and brutality of that breed of man. And yet, it is Columbus who is credited with beginning The Great Age of Exploration and Discovery! It would be truer to say that he heralded The Great Age of Exploitation and Extermination.

It is incumbent upon us all to ensure that Prince Henry Sinclair gets his rightful place in History because whether you are an indigenous or immigrant American, you have every reason to be proud of this noble Scot who followed in the wake of his Viking forebears almost 100 years before Columbus.

The Story of Prince Henry Sinclair's voyage to America is part of our past, part of our inheritance. Henry combined courage with vision, humility with greatness, imagination with action. He was a true Prince of Men who espoused the Templar ideal of chivalry and fraternity.

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« Reply #1543 on: September 11, 2009, 12:39:55 pm »

Now, speaking of medieval knights and so forth, in an effort to solve this mystery of a missing island which would have facilitated travellers getting to the "opposite continent", I'd like to go back even farther than medieval times, to around 5 AD when it is said there was a man named Arthur who "ruled" in England and had as his advisor, Merlin.  Said Merlin supposedly helped Arthur organize the country and then sailed away to the island of Avalon for some number of years.  He comes back for a while when the country falls apart again and Arthur is about to die.  When Arthur dies, a knight who has thrown the sword Excaliber into the lake at Arthur's request, comes back to the spot where Arthur had been lying only to find that 3 mysterious maidens have taken Arthur aboard a boat to sail him away to the isle of Avalon.

Oh darn.  Gotta run.  But I will be back to talk about this further.  It is my contention that there were a special few even as far back as 5 AD that knew of the New World but kept it a great secret.  Like the Templars kept secrets, I'm sure there were others as well.
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« Reply #1544 on: September 13, 2009, 02:35:00 pm »

Not that this proves anything, one way or another, either about Atlantis which supposedly sank, nor about Frisland which also supposedly sunk in about the same spot, but in the book Merlin and the Discovery of Avalon in the New World, Graham Phillips goes on a search for the island of Avalon.  The mystical island that Merlin supposedly semi retired on, and the island to which King Arthur was spirited away by 3 nymphs. 

Now we know there wasn't really a King Arthur, and we know the stories of him and the Knights of the Round Table were written in different eras, however, Phillips does some research and tells a story of finding documentation that makes him believe there actually was a hero with the "title" Arthur - as in meaning bear - and that there was two men with the "title" Merlin - The name Merlin comes from the Welsh name Myrddin, and Merlin could have been a historical figure upon whom later, fanciful legends were based or a wise court advisor who was later credited with magical powers. The name Myrddin was a title, meaning "the Eagle" or "voice of the Eagle" - the Eagle being a bird that was associated with foresight in ancient British tradition. (second sight).
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