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Plato's Atlantis My Theory

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Qoais
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« on: March 05, 2007, 12:35:09 pm »

And what would "blessed" mean to people in those days? A place that had an abundance of food, water and the beauties and abundance of nature. Also perhaps, a "god" may or may not have lived there. In everything I've read so far, all the lands in the west lying on the shore of the ocean were "blessed". Nice beaches you know!

Georgeos, if you know Plato so well, and understand all the meanings of his writing, tell us why he did not use the word Cheronneus? This would be the word a writer would use to describe a certain type of piece of land,a tombolo, because he is being SO descriptive. The point is not whether he used it - it's why didn't he use it? The point is - the word is there for him to use. He COULD have used it, for a much better description. BUT HE DIDN'T. Because that's not what he meant.

Plato did not mention the Amazons, because that was not the story he was telling. That does not mean to say he didn't know about them. Just because he did not mention them, does not mean they didn't exist.

Diodorus says they lived in the NORTH of Libya next to the Atlas mountains, right where the mountains reach down to the sea.

You know what Georgeos? I think you're worried that if we put all the pieces of the puzzle into perspective, it might turn out you're wrong. You discount all the other great famous writers, you discount all the other professional interpreters, you use feeble excuses to explain the stories of other writers - and you look on Plato like he's the only one in history to ever write anything. He WAS human you know, and could himself have made mistakes. To say nothing of the fact that Solon could have made mistakes as well. So - to PROVE Plato was correct - is of course - the whole point of the search for Atlantis - like in an investigation by the police, they do not use just one witness to solve the crime. We must find all the information possible, and fit the pieces together so we can prove the existance of Atlantis at all.

You were not there when Plato wrote the story, nor when the priest told Solon the story. So how do you KNOW what Plato's intent was? How do you know for a fact that it wasn't just a story? Just because someone said it was true, doesn't mean it was. People tell fibs all the time.

Another aspect that to me is up for controversy, is that it is generally accepted that the Pillars of Heracles are pillars, or something that resembles pillars.

First of all was it Pillar (singular) or was it Pillars - plural? We usually accept plural.

So - quoting from Diodorus again, - this little blurb about the end of the Amazons.

"But the Gorgons, grown strong again in later days, were subdued a second time by Perseus, the son of Zeus, when Medusa was queen over them; and in the end both they and the race of Amazons were entirely destroyed by Heracles, when he visited the REGIONS TO THE WEST AND SET UP HIS PILLARS IN LIBYA"

These Pillars of course commemmorating his great deed of wiping out the Gorgons and Amazons. Now we understand it that the Amazons headquarters/homeland was on the NW tip of Libya, (that would be the SOUTH side of the strait), and we read that the Amazons travelled through Libya, Egypt, Arabia, etc. - all of these being on the SOUTH side of the Med. So - if Heracles wiped these people out - and put up pillars to tell the tale, LARGE pillars no doubt as they are supposed to be a marker, THE PILLARS ARE IN LIBYA.

If you read the MYTHS of Heracles, you will find that the deeds may be beyond belief and exaggerated. The story that tells of how the Pillars came into existance was that Heracles was going to steal something from somebody on an island in the ocean, but due to the fact that there were mountains in the way, he struck the mountains to open a passage, but he died and turned to stone and the myth states that the parts of the mountain left standing are his legs - pillars - which held him up.

Now we know from the statues and stuff, that Heracles was no where such a giant, but WAS very strong.In fact Heracles no not a giant at all, but was extremely well built and muscled. So the myth of the mountains being his legs, gets mixed up with reality, in that there were actual pillars put in place by Heracles.

So when it comes to the Strait of Gibralter, do we have two pillars - or one? (Tall skinny mountains) because we need two to hold Heracles up. I don't think he was hopping all over the known world with one leg, and no matter how gigantic he MAY have been, he was not such a giant that one leg would be 8 or nine miles from the other leg when he turned to stone. (The distance across the Strait). Even if the strait was only say half that, how big would he have had to be to spread his legs that far? Giants in those days, were considered from say 7 to 10 feet tall.

Another question would be - where did the priest get the story to start with? 9000 years before Plato, someone had contact with the Egyptians and related this history. I'm not going to say that people did not have boats back then, (because I don't know that for a fact), but I would say that if they did, they were not exactly sea going vessels. In my own humble opinion, if one was traveling in those days, one was likely walking. (and the only person I've ever heard of that walked on water was - you know who)
If we take a hike from Egypt to Morocco, and followed the coast line, we would end up in what is now I think the Province of Tangier. This too, is a "nesos" really, because it is a piece of land sticking out into the water from the mainland and surrounded by water on 3 sides.
So if we were walking up the center of this piece of land towards the Strait of Gibralter, what would we be facing? Spain. Now I said before, that if you were looking at the Straits from the North or the South, and if the "Pillars" were on the East or West, then the Pillars would appear to be on the side of the two necks of land that reach out towards each other. Therefore, if Plato did say that the pillars were "on the side of" or "beside", then whoever was telling the story was telling it from the perspective of North or South. Because either way, the pillars would still be in "front" of the Strait, whether you were going in or out. If you're coming in, the pillars are in front of you, and if you're going out, the pillars are in front of you.

So if this whole story took the perspective from land, I am trying to show that the LAND was on the southern side of the Strait. All the stories so far agree with that as regarding the Amazons, and the Gorgons being neighbors to Atlantis.

Georgeos, I think one thing you cannot say has been displaced, is that the sun always sinks in the west, not the north. The land of night was beyond wherever the sun went down.

1)Was Gadiera always Gadiera? I had searched this out and found that no matter what language, Gadiera had never been displaced.

2)Where are the Pillars of Heracles? Right where they always were - in the mouth of the strait. The straight does not have a mouth on the west side. In the myth, Heracles did not get past the strait to the island he was seeking, therefore, the pillars (his legs) have to be somewhere on the inside. If you do a close-up of the strait on Nasa Worldwind, you will see (at least I believe this) that the strait was narrower in times past. As a matter of fact, it almost looks like walls were built for a narrow passage.

3)Island. Since I always thought Atlantis was an island, and had never heard this theory of a tombolo before or knew that nesos could mean all those things Georgeos said, I had already accepted that Atlantis was an island.

This is the only dispute left - was Atlantis an island or was it Spain?

In all my "ramblings" I am trying to use logic to determine which. I have no idea if the Atlanteans had a "circle" cult or not. Plato didn't say that. He said the princes all got together every 5 or 6 years to sacrifice a bull. He didn't say the commoners did this. This ritual was reserved for the princes of Atlantis and their ruling king.

One of the problems that may not be super important, but then yet again it could be - to determine the time frame - is when the strait of Gibralter opened. Plato's story talks about the mists of time when Atlantis first existed, and then aeons later, when it sunk.

I do believe Atlantis was west of the straits and attached to the mainland.

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The question was "where else in the world do we have bull fighting"?
In Spain. That does not prove anything. If Atlantis and the mainland were once joined, and then separated, the acropolis with the temple on it was cut off from the mainland. Now over hundreds of years, the people would remember that a bull was sacrificed and gradually, the custom changed from what it was originally, to something altogether different. This has been proven to happen all over the world. All it does, is further substantiate any theory that claims Atlantis was in the west.

Since Georgeos is being so specific and following Plato word for word, where does he say that the Atlanteans practiced bull fighting? Those bulls were highly prized and to throw spears into them and torture and taunt them would be sacriligious. They were being offered to the Gods for blessings for the people. Do you think the Gods would shower blessings on a people who brought them a mutilated sacrifice?

The "gods" were actually on earth in those days. A super-being that was part divine. Where did the divine part come from? From creatures sent here by God, or creatures from another galaxy? At this point, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that they had the power to either help the humans who were worshipping them if they were satisfied with the sacrifice, or to destroy them if they weren't.

The last known god that I know of, to have supposedly communicated with, and interacted with humans, was the "god" who led Moses. NOT such a long time ago considering the age of the world.


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