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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2007, 03:46:10 pm »

The Greenland Mountains, and of how the Island fit in "Critias" description. The Island was shielded by these mountains,(Greenland highest point 3000m aprox.). This is the most mountainous part of the Island (South East).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Greenland_eastcoast.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5120059912468252178 

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"The whole country was said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north. The surrounding mountains were celebrated for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers, and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind of work." (Plato's Critias)


http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118238077535601282

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"Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side."  (Plato's Critias)

http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5117987911086515314

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 04:49:47 am »

"If the reflecting surface is very smooth,the reflection of light that occurs is called specular or regular reflection."

"When light strikes a rough or granular surface, it bounces off in all directions due to the microscopic irregularities of the interface. Thus, an 'image' is not formed. This is called diffuse reflection. The exact form of the reflection depends on the structure of the surface."

Reflection (physics)
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  We are exposing another strange phenomena, which is the "light reflection" concerning the pictures we have shown.
   From what we can discern, light has different behaviour in different parts of the images. Those areas where there are clear bright shapes, are made of an extremely "smooth" (metalic ?) surface, thus reflecting light regularly, while the dark areas are clearly absorbing photons, thus being a "rough" or "granular" surface.

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"A backlight is the form of illumination used in an LCD display"
(Backlight  from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EL_unlit-lit_animation.gif


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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2007, 06:54:30 am »


[...]"Einstein was very unhappy about this apparent randomness in nature. His views were summed up in his famous phrase, 'God does not play dice'. He seemed to have felt that the uncertainty was only provisional: but that there was an underlying reality, in which particles would have well defined positions and speeds, and would evolve according to deterministic laws, in the spirit of Laplace. This reality might be known to God, but the quantum nature of light would prevent us seeing it, except through a glass darkly."[...]

(Excerpts of Stephen Hawking's Lectures)
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 12:29:37 pm »



"Moreover, they divided at the bridges the
zones of land which parted the zones of sea, leaving room for a single
trireme to pass out of one zone into another, and they covered over
the channels so as to leave a way underneath for the ships; for the
banks were raised considerably above the water. Now the largest of the
zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was three stadia in
breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal breadth; but
the next two zones, the one of water, the other of land, were two
stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a
stadium only in width. The island in which the palace was situated had
a diameter of five stadia. All this including the zones and the
bridge, which was the sixth part of a stadium in width, they
surrounded by a stone wall on every side, placing towers and gates
on the bridges where the sea passed in. The stone which was used in
the work they quarried from underneath the centre island, and from
underneath the zones, on the outer as well as the inner side
. One kind
was white, another black, and a third red, and as they quarried,
they at the same time hollowed out double docks, having roofs formed
out of the native rock. Some of their buildings were simple, but in
others they put together different stones, varying the colour to
please the eye, and to be a natural source of delight. The entire
circuit of the wall, which went round the outermost zone, they covered
with a coating of brass, and the circuit of the next wall they
coated with tin, and the third, which encompassed the citadel, flashed
with the red light of orichalcum."  (from Plato's Critias)

http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5117964890061808514
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5117964898651743154

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2007, 12:57:44 pm »

  "The palaces in the interior of the citadel were constructed on
this wise: in the center was a holy temple dedicated to Cleito and
Poseidon, which remained inaccessible, and was surrounded by an
enclosure of gold; this was the spot where the family of the ten
princes first saw the light, and thither the people annually brought
the fruits of the earth in their season from all the ten portions,
to be an offering to each of the ten. Here was Poseidon's own temple
which was a stadium in length, and half a stadium in width, and of a
proportionate height, having a strange barbaric appearance.
All the
outside of the temple, with the exception of the pinnacles, they
covered with silver, and the pinnacles with gold. In the interior of
the temple the roof was of ivory, curiously wrought everywhere with
gold and silver and orichalcum; and all the other parts, the walls and
pillars and floor, they coated with orichalcum. In the temple they
placed statues of gold: there was the god himself standing in a
chariot-the charioteer of six winged horses-and of such a size that he
touched the roof of the building with his head; around him there
were a hundred Nereids riding on dolphins, for such was thought to
be the number of them by the men of those days.
" (from Plato's Critias)

http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118361562140329138
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5117987911086515298
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118646808098325746
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5122006955580730770
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2007, 01:19:41 pm »

"There was an altar too, which in size and workmanship corresponded to this magnificence, and the
palaces, in like manner, answered to the greatness of the kingdom and the glory of the temple." (Plato's Critias)

http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5121691700686236706
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5117964898651743154



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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2007, 10:14:05 am »

 The Bock Saga





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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2007, 04:50:48 pm »

Thanks for the link to You tube...I really enjoyed the material.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2007, 06:24:11 pm »

You are welcome :-)





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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2007, 07:26:57 pm »

Finland is, geographically,  a very peculiar Country. We think its characteristics are linked with the natural catastrophe that happened when the Greenland Island dislocated towards North.

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"Protected by the cold climate and hidden in the deep forests of northern Finland and Carelia, a small group of people has been able to preserve their ancient traditions and their language as well as a complete and incredibly extensive history about themselves, going back to the roots of all arctic people and originating in an ancient culture of humanity that existed before Ice-Time. Though the memory and history of our (human) evolution have obviously been lost, we may seek information and investigate these matters again, under the paradigm of free speech, open research and factual science."
 by Bo Olsson  (A NEW LIGHT ON THE ANCIENT WORLD)

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"Finland has a population of 5,297,316 people,[1] spread over an area of 338,145 square kilometres (130,559 square miles). The majority of the population is concentrated in the southern part of the country. Finland is the sixth largest country in Europe in terms of area, with a low population density of 15.5 persons per square kilometre, making it the most sparsely populated country in the European Union."


"The Archipelago Sea, between the Gulf of Bothnia and the Gulf of Finland, is the largest archipelago in the world by number of islands; estimates vary between 20,000 and 50,000."

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"Finland is a country of thousands of lakes and islands; 187,888 lakes (larger than 500 m²) and 179,584 islands to be precise.[13] One of these lakes, Saimaa, is the fifth largest in Europe. The Finnish landscape is mostly flat with few hills and its highest point, the Halti at 1,324 metres, is found in the extreme north of Lapland at the border between Finland and Norway.

The landscape is covered mostly (seventy-five percent of land area) by coniferous taiga forests and fens, with little arable land. The most common type of rock is granite. It is a ubiquitous part of the scenery, visible wherever there is no soil cover. Moraine or till is the most common type of soil, covered by a thin layer of humus of biological origin. The greater part of the islands are found in southwest in the Archipelago Sea, part of the archipelago of the Åland Islands, and along the southern coast in the Gulf of Finland."

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"Finland is one of the few countries in the world whose surface area is still growing. Owing to the post-glacial rebound that has been taking place since the last ice age, the surface area of the country is growing by about 7 square kilometres (2.7 square miles) a year."   

                                                                                                 

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 Alluvial sedimentation, got together in that spot because of the event we have been talking about, Greenland dislocation towards North, carried with it many debris and shoal mud, we know Europe suffered also from this sedimentation. Finland, as stated above, is the Biggest Archipelago in number of Islands which means fragmented crust. Scandinavia ( Ancient Island of "Scan" or "Scania") crunched Finland and became a sort of peninsula with an isthmus. Needless to say that Finland after the event, was completely congealed. Those were survivors of the Ancient Civilization that escaped the first destruction event (Hephaestus chariot out of course) to nearly die right after of hypothermia due to huge amounts of Ice, stealing temperature from everything, alive or inert. Only an equally consequent reaction could have hold the fire and the temperatures that arose at the very beginning of events. Once extinguished the fire, surviving human groups, fought for their lives the best way they could. The bock saga tells us of behaviour proper of Eskimos sometimes, it must be related to the extreme cold Weather. Notice that many of the images shown above (link to artifacts) are face to face, and very close together, as taking advantage of the neighbours self "heat". There must have been many surviving "rituals" alike. It is Obvious. Please comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Finland_1996_CIA_map.jpg




 

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2007, 07:59:32 am »

  Regarding Scandinavia, it is generally accepted that Finland and even Denmark to be a part of this group. But the main Geographically physical "parts" are Norway and Sweden, which are very Mountainous, unlikely their "smaller" brothers (Denmark, and Finland).

"The belief that Scandinavia was an island became widespread among classical authors during the first century. This idea, along with the name "Scandiae" which was used by Pliny for a group of Nordic islands, dominated descriptions of Scandinavia in classical texts during the centuries that followed. Pliny's "Scandinavia" may have been one of the "Scandiae" islands. This idea was picked up by Ptolemy (c.90 ? c.168 AD), a mathematician, geographer and astrologer of Roman Egypt. He used the name "Skandia" for the biggest, most easterly of the three "Scandiai" islands, which according to him were all located east of Jutland.[26] Scandia was used for the entire "island" of Scandinavia by Ptolemy, including areas far north of today's Scania, but neither Pliny's nor Ptolemy's lists of Scandinavian tribes include the Suiones mentioned by Tacitus. Some early Swedish scholars proceeded to insert them, arguing that they must have been referred to in the original texts and obscured over time by mistake.[27]"

(Scandinavia Wikipedia)

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  Probably this was true, too much coincidence. I am convinced that Felix Vinci new "optics" about the Baltic Sea which is "in" the Atlantic Ocean, didn't further extend as to evaluate the rest of the "Scenario":

- Isn't it true that if proved right, this theory would change the whole History and Mythological perspective but actually would also corroborate the fact that "The Iliad and The Odyssey" were real?

- Isn't it also true, that this new information would, at least hypothetically, situate us in a "different" Geographical position, and in so doing, we automatically would realize the undeniable presence of Greenland?


As stated in the beginning of this post, the similarity between Kirchner's map and Greenland is clear, but also the two other Islands, portrayed by Kirchner, as the two smaller ones, exactly match Ellesmere and Baffin Islands. Please look at the similar shape, size, direction.

http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118372664630789314


 

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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2007, 09:40:08 am »

"Another passage from Proclus' 5th century AD commentary on the Timaeus gives a description of the geography of Atlantis: "That an island of such nature and size once existed is evident from what is said by certain authors who investigated the things around the outer sea. For according to them, there were seven islands in that sea in their time, sacred to Persephone, and also three others of enormous size, one of which was sacred to Pluto, another to Ammon, and another one between them to Poseidon, the extent of which was a thousand stadia; and the inhabitants of it, they add, preserved the remembrance from their ancestors of the immeasurably large island of Atlantis which had really existed there and which for many ages had reigned over all islands in the Atlantic sea and which itself had like-wise been sacred to Poseidon. Now these things Marcellus has written in his Aethiopica".[8] However, Heinz-Gnther Nesselrath argues that this Marcellus ? who is otherwise unknown ? is probably not a historian but a novelist.[9] Other ancient historians and philosophers believing in the existence of Atlantis were Strabo and Posidonius (cf. Strabo 2,3,6)." (Atlantis Wikipedia)

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Greenland (center) (the main Island)

1 Baffin Island (West)
2 Ellsmere Island (West)
3 Newfoundland Island (West)
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4   Spain (East)
5   England, Wales, Scotland (East)
6   Ireland (East)
7   Denmark (East)
8   Scandinavia (Norway and Sweden) (East)
9   Faroe Islands (East)
10 Spitzberg Island (East)




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http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04652.jpg
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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2007, 10:27:59 am »

"The Greenland Sea is densely inhabited by lower life forms from the base of the food chain. Large invertebrates, fish (such as cod, herring, redfish, halibut, and plaice), birds and mammals (including seals, whales, and dolphins) all feed on the smaller invertebrates and small organisms."  (Greenland Sea Wikipedia)

Why should this happened?



At one time that Sea area, became a very nutritive "mud shoal" and certainly many species fed from there. The "impassibility" barrier claimed by "Critias" must have been enormous, if you think a ship was not to sail in those waters. This is unusual. Specially for an open Ocean which would take much more sediments before becoming "saturated".

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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2007, 11:07:58 am »

Earth Crust Displacement (Charles H. Hapgood)


[...] It is well-known through continental drift and plate tectonics that the earth’s landmasses are not stationary, but form parts of large, independently moving crustal plates. This motion is, however, very slow by human terms, and the 30 degree shift proposed by Hapgood would take millions, if not hundreds of millions, of years to complete according to plate tectonics. In the 1950s, Hapgood developed a theory called Earth Crust Displacement (ECD) which could account the shift, and yet not contradict the theory of continental drift. The basic notion of ECD is that the earth’s lithosphere, although composed of individual plates, can at times move as a whole over the asthenosphere.

To better visualize the ECD, consider a loose-fitting jig-saw puzzle on a table. Normally, if one tries to move the puzzle by applying uneven pressure to the pieces, the puzzle crumbles and pieces slide over each other. This simulates plate tectonics and continental drift. Consider the results, however, when a more even force is applied to the puzzle. By pushing evenly on the bottom edge, it is possible to slide the whole puzzle across the table without disrupting the pieces. This is the heart of ECD. [...]

Hapgood’s Theory of Earth Crust Displacement       

 S.KRAUSE

http://www.skrause.org/writing/papers/hapgood_and_ecd.shtml

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  Hapgood's theory permitted that we can now assume plates do shift as a whole, the interrogation is how fast? Critias, according to Plato, as Moses, a long time ago before him, have a timely description:

"[25d] and one grievous day and night befell them, when the whole body of your warriors was swallowed up by the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner was swallowed up by the sea and vanished; wherefore also the ocean at that spot has now become impassable and unsearchable, being blocked up by the shoal mud which the island created as it settled down."  Plato's Critias (Benjamin Jowett translation)

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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2007, 02:06:49 pm »

  New set of pictures

A City Block
"http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5124957340415045298

A Building
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5124957344710012610

The same Building with a "Tunnel" and a signaling green "tower" in line, denoting a "Channel" between the two.
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5124957340415045282

Here we can see the "Bridges", and how they have the same pattern construction.
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5124957331825110658


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As Dr. Ulf Richter stated in his "Platos Atlantis was in a River Delta":

[...]"Reading Platos two books about Atlantis
and comparing the described facts with
modern knowledge about geology, tectonics,
archaeology and technology gives us new
insights about how Atlantis looked. This is
necessary before we can seek its proper
location."[...]

[...]"11. MOUNTAINS IN ATLANTIS
“And the mountains which surrounded it
(the plain) were at that time celebrated as
surpassing all that now exist in number,
magnitude and beauty; for they had upon
them many rich villages of country folk,
and streams and lakes and meadows which
furnished ample nutriment to all the
animals both tame and wild, and timber of
various sizes and descriptions, abundantly
sufficient for the needs of all and every
craft.”(Crit.118B).
“They conveyed to the city the timber
from the mountains and transported also on
boats the seasons products ..”
(Crit.118E).
“And the number of the men in the
mountains and in the rest of the country
was countless ..”
(Crit.119A)

The first citation is normally
interpreted as if the mountains of Atlantis
must have been higher than the highest
mountains now existing. But I wonder how
these Himalaya-like mountains could have
had many villages with much country folk,
forests, meadows, lakes, food supply etc..
The Cuban linguist Diaz-Montexano wrote
that the Greek word “megathos” had not
only the meaning of “height”, but in the
above context can also mean “greatness”
or “extension”, and only this interpretation
makes the whole story logical.

Platos Atlantis was in a River Delta
Ulf Richter
Schwabenheim. Germany"[...]
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This link have interesting photos of Greenland. The "extension" or "greatness" factor in the largeness of the Mountains.

http://www.greenlandphotos.net/tasiilaq/Gallery.html

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http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118338480986080034


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"Marine geologist Dr Chris MacLeod, School of Earth, Ocean and Planetary Sciences said: "This discovery is like an open wound on the surface of the Earth. Was the crust never there? Was it once there but then torn away on huge geological faults? If so, then how and why?"[...]


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070301103112.htm

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This Geoid (gravitational anomaly) Picture clearly show a red trail, starting just in the same place people reported the missing crust.

http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118731229975495938

(from AR post)



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http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118350382340457458

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http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118338485281047346
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118338480986080034



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The Antikythera mechanism

although "with no known predecessor or successor" it is now largely accepted that Hipparchus (the greatest observational Astronomer of Antiquity, and greatly influenced Ptolemy's later works) is linked with the manufacture of the device. He produced the first trigonometric table, and predicted solar and moon eclipses accurately. He still amazes Astronomers for solving difficult problems regarding Astronomy, although, not having yet access to spherical trigonometry.


http://www.antikythera-mechanism.gr/



"He is known to have been a working astronomer at least from 147 BC to 127 BC"
Hipparchus Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Al-Jayyani, an Arabic mathematician in Islamic Spain, wrote the first treatise on spherical trigonometry in 1060 AD."

Spherical trigonometry
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The Arab world is responsible for the rescue of many Old Literature in the Crusades and Inquisition period.


"Ghiyās od-Dīn Abul-Fatah Omār ibn Ibrāhīm Khayyām Nishābūrī (Persian: غیاث الدین ابو الفتح عمر بن ابراهیم خیام نیشابوری) or Omar Khayyam (Nishapur, Persia, May 18, 1048 – December 4, 1131) was a Persian poet, mathematician, philosopher and astronomer who lived in Persia. His name is also given as Omar al-Khayyami[1].

He is best known for his poetry, and outside Iran, for the quatrains (rubaiyaas) in Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, popularized through Edward Fitzgerald's re-created translation. His substantial mathematical contributions include his Treatise on Demonstration of Problems of Algebra, which gives a geometric method for solving cubic equations by intersecting a hyperbola with a circle[2]. He also contributed to calendar reform and may have proposed a heliocentric theory well before Copernicus.     

(Omar Khayyam - Wikipedia)"

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"First of all they bridged over the zones of sea which surrounded the
ancient metropolis, making a road to and from the royal palace. And at
the very beginning they built the palace in the habitation of the
god and of their ancestors, which they continued to ornament in
successive generations, every king surpassing the one who went
before him to the utmost of his power, until they made the building
a marvel to behold for size and for beauty."

From Plato's "Critias"


We can see a tower like Building, with Bridges and other constructions.
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118361562140329138


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"Critias" spoke of hollowing whole mountains, and of two inner docks.

the first (lower right corner)
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5117987906791547986

the second (upper left corner)
http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5117964890061808514


(from AR post)

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The Treaty of Tordesillas (Portuguese: Tratado de Tordesilhas, Spanish: Tratado de Tordesillas), signed at Tordesillas (now in Valladolid province, Spain), June 7, 1494, divided the newly discovered lands outside Europe into an exclusive duopoly between the Spanish and the Portuguese along a north-south meridian 370 leagues west of the Cape Verde islands (off the west coast of Africa). This was about halfway between the Cape Verde Islands (already Portuguese) and the islands discovered by Christopher Columbus on his first voyage (claimed for Spain), named in the treaty as Cipangu and Antilia (no doubt Cuba and Hispaniola). The lands to the east would belong to Portugal and the lands to the west to Spain. The treaty was ratified by Spain (at the time, the Crowns of Castile and Aragon), July 2, 1494 and by Portugal, September 5, 1494. The other side of the world would be divided a few decades later by the Treaty of Saragossa or Treaty of Zaragoza, signed on April 22, 1529, which specified the anti-meridian to the line of demarcation specified in the Treaty of Tordesillas.

Treaty of Tordesillas
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We find it obvious that a previous idea of an ancient geographic site might had been connected to the treaty.

http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118333039262515954


(from AR post)

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http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5118349506167129026


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http://picasaweb.google.com/dantaz/TheIsland02/photo#5125013312428846818


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