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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2007, 08:03:32 am »

If you go on the zone by Google earth you will see blue points on the site, only if you select Web geographic infos on the left pannel under Pratic infos. When showing these blue points, you can click on them and obtain information on the point, for example "Entrance of the city" and "Royal bath" ; even though the localizations are unprecise, the informations are useful.
Select also "Geographical characteristics" in the left pannel in order you can see the rivers bed (in blue drawing).

I wish you a good visit to Meroe...
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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2007, 08:18:44 am »

Dear Titeia;
I couldnt find it in my google Earth.Please tell me near which contemporary city??

Hi Julia,

The Meroe zone is about sixty kilometers South of the great town of Atbara (confluent of Nile and Atbara river). Descending the Nile, there are the cities of Ad Damyr, Sayyalah, and more lower Kiteiab on the left side of the Nile. Meroe is fairly in front of this latter by crossing the Nile (right side).
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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2007, 09:29:51 am »

Extract of Encyclopedia Universalis:

The royal city of Meroe :

The first excavations of the ancient city, which extend in a vast zone on the bank of the Nile, close to the modern village of Begarawiya, began on 1909-1914, and many sectors remained a long time unexplored. New digging, which began again on the site since 1965, made possible to discover furnaces intended for the ore processing of iron and to study temples which provide invaluable chronological reference marks, the history of the city remaining well badly known.
It is in the east of the city that the principal monuments and the necropoles are located. The temple of Amon, dynastic god, is built of brick, it is surrounded by an enclosure; its plan does not differ largely from that of the Egyptian sanctuaries; its temenos contains royal buildings. Another enclosure, coupled with that of the temple, groups palates and thermal baths. This complex seems to date of the with the VI century B.C., but the major occupation is of IInd century at Ist century after J. C. Ruins which extend to approximately two kilometers in the east from the city must be perhaps identified with the temple about which Herodote (II, 29) speaks: a slope leads to a platform which supports the sanctuary surrounded by a portic with columns; the walls external of this podium are decorated with reliefs representing prisoners, with scenes of victories and processions; the building seems to date from the reign of Aspelta (VIe century avt J.C.), it was restored at the end of Ier century. The temple of the lion Apedemak, god typically meroitic, was built at the top of a dump, also in the east of the city; the unique chronological testimony is the base of statue with the name of  king Teqerideamani (246-266). In the north of the royal enclosure the temple known as that of Isis. In its most recent state, it dates of the Ist century. Other temples of the city are badly known; Among the last discoveries there are several sanctuaries which mark an honor alley leading to the principal entry of the large temple of Amon.

Economy of the kingdom of Meroe:
To the resources of breeding added those of agriculture, very probable in this zone of rains of summer. Vast basins of irrigation (hafirs) were dug near the great sites. The trade was to be active; Meroe constituted a crossroads of choice for the caravan ways between the Red Sea, Erythrea, the high Nile and Chad. But especially, the relative abundance of trees and bushes provided fuel necessary to the treatment of iron; slag accumulations attest in Meroe the width of an intense industrial activity: Meroe could be called with some exaggeration the Birmingham of Africa.


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« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2007, 11:27:34 am »

This must have been a fairly large city at one time.  I'm wondering if the Nile has changed course over th years and it was maybe on the river at one time.  The pyramids look similar to the Mayan ones.




Once at the site, if you back out a bit you get this view, which shows what appears to be an amphitheatre on the far left, and some kind of enclosed courtyard on the far right.


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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2007, 01:10:47 pm »

Hi Qoais,

Congratulations ! You have rediscovered the hippodromos of Plato's Atlantida

See Critias 116e, 117e "In the middle of the largest island, one had held the place of a hippodrome of a stade broad (200 meters), which extended in length on all the enclosure, to devote it to the horse-races. Around the hippodrome, there were, on each side, the barracks for most of the guards".

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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2007, 01:23:46 pm »

And for this presumably antique structure I don't know : temple or palace ?

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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2007, 03:58:38 pm »

Hi Qoais,

You said "I'm wondering if the Nile has changed course over th years and it was maybe on the river at one time. "

Now see the following Google view :

 
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2007, 10:03:26 pm »

Hi Titiea
I wish I had your copy of Plato.  I've never seen where it says there was a hippodrome.  It says that the strip of land on the outer circle of Atlantis was used as a race track.  Now I don't know how big race tracks were back then, but if we use today's standard, (at least in Canada) we have about 3 different lengths for racing (not chariots tho) 1 mile, 1 and a quarter mile, and 1 and a half mile tracks.

According to Wikipedia the hippodrome at Constantinople was 450M by 130 M.  Measuring on Google Earth, the hippodrome at Meroe is 196' x 156'.  Small for racing, but not impossible.

I don't know if there was a usual format that was followed to build a hippodrome, but it seems to me it was the most important social feature of any city that had one, and therefore, there should be more buildings surrounding a hippodrome than what we can see in Google Earth.  However, given that some buildings may have been removed to build other buildings, I suppose we have to wait and see what pops up upon excavation.

Here is the layout for the Constantinople Hippodrome:



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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2007, 10:21:01 pm »

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At Meroë, in the Sudan, crumbling pyramids recall the vanished glories of the Kushite kings, who were buried inside them.
Meroë is northeast of Khartoum (center right)Meroë(Meroitic: Medewi or Bedewi) is the name of an ancient city on the east bank of the Nile 16.56° N 33.44° E about 6 km north-east of the Kabushiya station near Shendi, Sudan, ca. 200 km north-east of Khartoum. Near the site are a group of villages called Bagrawiyah. This city was the capital of the Kingdom of Kush for several centuries. The Kushitic Kingdom of Meroë gave its name to the "Island of Meroë", which was the modern region of Butana, a region bounded by the Nile (from the Atbarah River to Khartoum), the Atbarah, Ethiopia, and the Blue Nile. The city of Meroë was on the edge of Butana and there were two other Meroitic cities in Butana, Musawwarat es-Sufra and Naqa. [1]

The site of the city of Meroë is marked by over two hundred pyramids in three groups, of which many are in ruins.

Good Article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroe

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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2007, 05:42:31 am »

Hi Qoais,

I agree, it appears rather short for horse races. So I think it has the shape of an hippodrome but perhaps it was only a field of exercise for the cavalry of the king or only for soldiers to train running.
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« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2007, 12:50:11 pm »

Here is a map to help you to situate the zone of the "island of Meroe" at the left of Erytrea:

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In complement I will try to draw for you a simplified scheme of this part of the Nile valley.

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« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2007, 05:25:24 pm »

Thak you I found it.I saw the circular structure also..Mt Meroe even exist in the Indian myths.this must be the real Atlantis..Actually I think This is the same thing with the Garden of Eden also..Anybody researched this circular structure??
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« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2007, 02:40:23 am »

Hi Juliea
What circular structure are you referring to?
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« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2007, 03:05:06 am »

In a lecture at the Canadian Institute of
Archaeology in Cairo last month, Krzys GRZYMSKI of
the Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) described the use
of modern technology to uncover the origins and
topography, history and development of Meroe, an
African kingdom which developed along the upper
reaches of the Nile about 200km north of Khartoum
between 800 BC and 350 AD. “We began our
operations in October 1999, and ancient Meroe is slowly
coming to light,” GRZYMSKI said. “We first carried out
a comprehensive survey of the area, and we are doing our
work slowly and thoroughly. There is probably no greater
danger to the preservation of an ancient site than hasty
excavations, and much of our first season was spent
walking over the entire area and recording surface
material.” This exercise produced a number of
surprises, which included errors in earlier published
plans of various buildings, numerous unrecorded
inscriptions, some graffiti, and many beautifully carved
blocks. “Perhaps the most exciting discovery was a stone
block bearing the name of King Anlamani (c. 620-600
BC), one of the earliest datable objects ever found at
Meroe,” GRZYMSKI said.
The UNESCO operations sponsored by the
Egyptian and Sudanese governments in the 1960s,
when the High Dam in Aswæn was destined to
inundate all of Nubia, did not include Meroe because
it did not fall into the threatened area. Those salvage
operations did, however, revive interest in the ancient
capital city of Kush, and excavations were resumed in
1965 under the directorship of Peter SHINNIE. At first
these were on behalf of the University of Khartoum,
and later in a joint mission with Canada’s University of
Calgary. Domestic and industrial areas were unearthed,
several iron-smelting furnaces discovered. Also located
were temples dedicated to Isis and the Nubian lion-god
Apedemak. Excavations revealed what appeared to be
part of a processional avenue leading to a large temple.
Also found was a prison, so-called because
HERODOTUS, in the sixth century BC, alluded to
prisoners kept in chains of gold.
Although new light is being cast on Meroe,
mysteries remain. And it is with a view to drawing back
the veil of uncertainty on the African kingdom that
Krzys GRZYMSKI and co-director ©Alî ©UÚmæn are
proceeding to excavate two areas of the ancient city:
mound M 712, which was identified, but not
excavated, by John GARSTANG, and parts of the
Amun temple, the largest building in the city of Meroe
which was never adequately studied.
Modern archaeological surveys are not limited
to observing the structures visible on the surface.
“Thanks to technological developments, it is now possible
to identify structures hidden underground by means of a
geophysical survey,” GRZYMSKI said. Several different
techniques are being used, including a magnetic survey
based on identifying anomalies in the ground and a
resistivity survey, which detects differences in the
electrical resistivity of the soil. Power-point
presentations greatly facilitate understanding, but
magnetic maps are not for the lay public. GRZYMSKI
had to point to part of the area known as the “royal
city” (which revealed a large rectangular structure which
is possibly a palace), a double row of circles near the
city’s southern gate which was at first thought to be a
monumental colonnade but was later identified as
brick-lined pits filled with rich soil brought up from the
Nile’s banks. “Our magnetic map revealed the existence
of similar tree pits at the southern gate,” GRZYMSKI
said, adding that, “this avenue of verdant trees would
have been an impressive sight.”
The project is called the Meroitic revival and
the aim of the team, in contrast to earlier archaeologists
who concentrated exclusively on excavations, is site
preservation and conservation. Meroe lies within the
rain belt, and during the July-September rainy season its
soft Nubian sandstone buildings are exposed to serious
water erosion, a hazard unknown further north. It is a
seriously threatened area. “Prior to excavations, and on
the recommendation of our conservators, we set about
trimming trees and removing some of the spoil heaps left
by previous excavators,” GRZYMSKI said. “This not
only makes the site more attractive to visitors but helps to
redirect the flow of water away from endangered
structures, and moreover it keeps goats from climbing on
and destroying the remaining walls.”
Meroe has become a popular tourist
destination, largely because the sight of archaeologists
at work is ever a tourist attraction, and also because
there are not many alternatives within reach of
Khartoum which is only a couple of hours away by car.
“We have had to take the increased flow of Sudanese and
foreign visitors into account and provide facilities for
them,” GRZYMSKI said. Nubiology is now a
recognised discipline. “The study of Nubia extends
beyond the Nilotic sites in Egyptian and Sudanese
Nubia, into the Eastern Desert as far as the Red Sea
coast, and across the Western Desert to include the
oases,” GRZYMSKI explained. (Jill KAMIL, “An
African kingdom on the Nile”, Al-Ahram Weekly du 8
juin 2006).
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« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2007, 04:48:53 am »

Hi Qoais,

Thank you for this very interesting article. I noticed that we have now a datation of 800 B.C. for the beginning of the Meroe kingdom...
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