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Jung's 'Platonic' Year
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Definition:[Astrological Ages] Another term for a Great Year. The length of a 'Platonic' year equals 25 925 years. [2002 AD]

Carl Gustav Jung in Aion and other writings used the term 'Platonic' month, but only seems to have used 'Platonic' year, once in his book Aion [see footnote 49], preferring the term Aeon. However, since his writings this usage seems to have grown as another term for the Great Year.

Why is it called a 'Platonic' Year? Jung's use of the 'Platonic' prefix seems to be based on the mistaken arguments of some astrological commentators in the twentieth century that Plato [427 - 347 BC] was the first person in our written heritage to possess the concept of the Great Year. For more on this see: Plato's Complete Year and Platos' Perfect Number.

Searching For a New Age in the 20th Century...

5:  Searching for a New Age in the 20th Century...
 
5a:  Gerald Massey & the Sign of the Waterman [c 1880 AD] 

5b:  Helena Blavatsky and the Hindu Epoch [1887 AD]
 
5c:  Aleister Crowley and the Age of Horus [1904 AD] 

5d:  Edward Carpenter and the Age of Aquarius [1929 AD]
 
5e:  Paul Le Cour and the Age of Aquarius [1937 AD]
 
5f:  Carl Gustav Jung and the Age of Aquarius [1940 AD]
 
5g:  Alice Bailey and the 'Ageless Wisdom' [1944 AD]
 
5h:  Carl Gustav Jung and the Age of Pisces [1950] 

5i:  Jung's 'Platonic' Month [1950 AD] 

5j:  Jung's 'Platonic' Year [1950 AD] 

5k:  Carl Gustav Jung and the Age of Capricornus [1961 AD] 

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C G Jung and the Age of Aquarius
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Definition: [Astrological Ages] The psychoanalyst Carl Gustav Jung [1875 - 1961 AD] was the main populariser of the concept of the Age of Aquarius. [He was not however the originator of the concept. See Paul Le Cour for more on this topic.]

Jung was already thinking about this subject in 1940, when the first reference to the concept appears in his published work. The concept appears fully formed, in one throw-away line, in a letter to H. G. Baynes, dated 12th August 1940, in a passage concerning the destruction of the temple of Karnak by an earthquake in 26 BC.

Jung writes: "1940 is the year when we approach the meridian of the first star in Aquarius.  It is the premonitory earthquake of the New Age." [C G Jung Letters, Volume I, 1906-1950, p 285]*.

*[This brief comment indicates his indebtedness to prior work, notably on the question of when the Age of Aquarius would begin. However, whilst this was Jung's stance on the start date of the Age of Aquarius in 1940, by 1951 he had realised that he had been mislead - see footnote 84 below. See also the work of Edward Carpenter for a possible reason for this date.]

Below are excepts of what Jung wrote of the Age of Aquarius. The footnotes are his.

C G Jung 1951 AD [for the German-language Version], Aion [published in the Collected Works 9, Part II] Chapter IV, The Sign of the Fishes:

[In a private conversation with Margaret Ostrowski-Sachs concerning Aion, published in Conversations with C.G.Jung, Jung told her: "Before my illness I had often asked myself if I were permitted to publish or even speak of my secret knowledge. I later set it all down in Aion. I realized it was my duty to communicate these thoughts, yet I doubted whether I was allowed to give expression to them. During my illness I received confirmation and I now knew that everything had meaning and that everything was perfect."  Jung's illness was over by 1944.]

[142] If, as seems probable, the aeon of the fishes is ruled by the archetypal motif of the hostile brothers, then the approach of the next Platonic month, namely Aquarius, will constellate the problem of the union of the opposites.  It will then no longer be possible to write off evil as the mere privation of good; it's real existence will have to be recognized.  This problem can be solved neither by philosophy,  nor by economics, nor by politics, but only by the individual human being, via his experience of the living spirit...

[149] The northerly, or easterly fish, which the spring-point entered at about the beginning of our era83, is joined to the southerly, or westerly, fish by the so-called commissure.  This consists of a band of faint stars forming the middle sector of the constellation, and the spring-point gradually moved along its southern edge.  The point where the ecliptic intersects with the meridian at the tail of the second fish coincides roughly with the sixteenth century, the time of the Reformation, which as we know is so extraordinarily important for the history of Western symbols.  Since then the spring-point has entered the southern edge of the fish, and will enter Aquarius in the course of the third millennium84.   Astrologically interpreted, the designation of Christ as one of the fishes identified him with the first fish, the vertical one.  Christ is followed by the Antichrist at the end of time.  The beginning of the enantiodromia would fall, logically, midway between the two fishes.  We have seen that this is so.  The time of the Renaissance begins in the immediate vicinity of the second fish, and with it comes the spirit which culminates in the modern age85.

83 The meridian of the star "O" in the commissure passed through the spring-point in A.D. 11 and that of the star "a 113" in 146 BC.  Calculated on the basis of C. H. F. Peters and E. B. Knobel, Ptolemy's Catalogue of Stars: A Revision of the Almagest, Washington, 1915.

84 Since the delimitation of the constellations is known to be somewhat arbitrary, this date is very indefinite.  It refers to the actual constellation of fixed stars, not to the zodion noeton, i.e. the zodiac divided into sectors of 30º each.  Astrologically, the beginning of the next aeon, according to the starting point you select falls between AD 2000 and AD 2200.  Starting from the star "O" and assuming a Platonic month of 2 143 years, one would arrive at AD 2154 for the beginning of the Aquarian Age, and at AD 1997 if you start at star "a 113."  The latter date agrees with the longitude of the stars in Ptolemy's Almagest, p. 199, n. 1.

85 Modern astrological speculation likewise associates the Fishes with Christ: "The fishes... the inhabitants of the waters, are firstly an emblem of those whose life being hid with Christ in God, come out of the waters of judgment without being destroyed [and illusion to fishes that were not drowned in the deluge! C. G. J.] and shall find their true sphere where life abounds and death is not: where, forever surrounding with living water and drinking from it's fountain they 'shall not perish, but have everlasting life.' ... Those who shall dwell for ever in the living water are one with Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Living One."  (E. M. Smith, The Zodia,, pp. 280f, London, 1906.)

C G Jung 1959 AD: Flying Saucers, Introduction, pp xi - xii: It is difficult form a correct estimate of the significance of contemporary events, and the danger that our own judgment will remain caught in subjectivity is great. So I am fully aware of the risk I am taking in proposing to communicate my views concerning certain contemporary events, which seem to me important, to those patient enough to hear me. I refer to all those reports reaching us from all corners of the earth, rumours of round objects that flash through the troposphere and stratosphere, and go by the name of "Flying Saucers", soucoupes, disks and "Ufos" (Unidentified Flying Objects). These rumours, or the possible physical existence of such objects, seem to me so significant that I feel myself compelled, as once before when events were brewing of fateful consequence for Europe, to sound a note of warning. I know that, just as before, my voice is much too weak to reach the ear of the multitude. It is not presumption that drives me, but my conscience as a psychiatrist that bids me fulfill my duty and prepare those few who will hear me for coming events which are in accord with the end of an era. As we know from ancient Egyptian history, there are symptoms of psychic changes that always appear at the end of one Platonic month and at the beginning of another. They are, it seems, changes in the constellation of the psychic dominants, of the archetypes or "Gods" as they used to be called, which bring about, or accompany, long-lasting transformations of the collective psyche. This transformation started within the historical tradition and left traces behind within it, first in the transition of the Age of Taurus to that of Aries, and then from Aries to Pisces, whose beginning coincides with the rise of Christianity. We are now nearing that great change which may be expected when the spring-point enters Aquarius. It would be frivolous of me to conceal from the reader that reflections such as these are not only exceedingly unpopular but come perilously close to those turbid fantasies which becloud the minds of world-improvers and other interpreters of "signs and portents". But, I must take this risk, even if it means putting my hard-won reputation for truthfulness, trustworthiness and scientific judgment in jeopardy. I can assure my readers that I do not do this with a light heart. I am, to be quite frank, concerned for all those that are unprepared by the events in question and disconcerted by their incomprehensible nature. Since, so far as I know, no one else has yet felt moved to examine and set forth the possible psychic consequences of this foreseeable change, I deem it my duty to do what I can in this respect. I undertake this thankless task in the expectation that my chisel will make no impression on the hard stone it meets.
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Publishing and Precession after Jung...
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Definition: [Astrological Ages] During the last half century, since the popularisation of the Age of Aquarius by Carl Gustav Jung, a surprisingly large number of books have been published concerning ancient cultures, attempting to show that they were aware of the Procession of the Equinoxes. The question is... why?

Why Publish on Precession? I think the simple answer is: Precession is a way in which those civilisations can be made relevant to us.

By that I mean the following:

You are an ancient astrologer observing the heavens. You may know that the Eclipses seem to repeat every 18 years. You may know that Saturn seems to repeat its movements through the heavens every 30 years. That's your longest scale of time - and in fact with your life expectancy you're very likely to be dead before you ever get chance to see Saturn repeat itself. What does that have to say to us in the 21st century? Answer: essentially nothing...

For an, I think, instructive example of this, please have a look at examples of Babylonian Omen Astrology from actual, deciphered cuneiform tablets, dating from before 550 BC, and see how little they say to us today.

On the other hand... you are an ancient astrologer observing the heavens, and you can understand and predict Precession. Suddenly you can work on a near 26 000 year timescale. You can project millennia back into your own past - to strange and fascinating prior civilizations - and predict millennia into the future. To our time. Suddenly you are relevant to us... And now modern books about you will sell... Smiley [Or you can construct a calendar with a cycle large enough to end in our time. Books about you will then sell in our time too... Smiley ]

When did the Modern Publishing on Ancient Precession Begin? These ideas were formulated quite recently, and show an obvious line of descent from Jung's ideas on Astrological Ages. The trend started with two books which appeared one to two decades after Jung's ideas were published:

Sacred Science: The King of Pharaonic Theocracy [published 1961], R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz, which covered Precession in ancient Egypt, and,

Hamlets' Mill: A Essay Investigating the Origins of Human Knowledge and Its Transmission Through Myth [published 1969], Giorgio De Santillana, Hertha Von Dechend , which covered Precession in the Mesopotamian civilisations.

These have been followed over several decades by dozens of books on a similar theme, that an ancient civilization knew of Precession and therefore there is a relevance to us. More recently, other authors have extended the concept to pre-Colombian Western hemisphere civilisations.

Academe Fights Back: Please see Ancient Egypt and Precession and Ancient Babylonia and Precession for a summaries of why Egyptologists and specialists in Mesopotamian history don't think either of these two ancient cultures had an understanding of the Movement of the Ages. [Please see Mithraism and Precession for an analysis of the arguments that the later Roman Mithras religion had precession as part of its central mystery.]
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Plato's Perfect Number of the Divine Creature [c 360 BC]
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Definition: [Astrological Ages] Some commentators, notably Jung, argue that in paragraph 546 of Plato's The Republic he was discussing the Great Year. This would be some two hundred years before Hipparchus [c 190 - 120 BC].

Plato's Perfect Number of the Divine Creature: Plato writes the following in the section of The Republic called Timarchy [Timarchy is rule by a militaristic class, Sparta being the best example known to Plato.]:

... Not only for plants that grow in the earth, but for animals that live on it, there are seasons when mind and body are productive, seasons which come when a certain period is completed, of longer duration for the long-lived, shorter for the short-lived. And though the rulers of your city are wise, reason and perception will not always enable them to hit on the right and wrong times for breeding, some time they will miss them and then children will be begotten amiss. For the divine creature, there is a period defined by a perfect number; for the human creature the number is the first in which root and square multiplications (comprising three dimensions and four limits) of basic numbers, which make like and unlike, and which increase and decrease, produce a final result in complete commensurate terms; of these basic numbers four and three coupled with five, yield two harmonies when raised to the power of four, of which one is a square with a multiple of one hundred, the other a rectangle of which one side is one hundred squares of diameters of a square of side five each diminished by one if the diameters are irrational, or by two if the diameters are rational, the other side of one hundred cubes of three.

The Argument that Plato knew of the Great Year and Therefore Precession: The above is not an easy paragraph to interpret. However, in the twentieth century a number of commentators looked at paragraph 546 and decided that in the mathematics of the latter part of that paragraph Plato was thinking of the number 36 000. Therefore, they argued, Plato knew of the rate of precession and, hence, must have known of the Great Year.

This genesis of this idea seems to go back to the Adam's edition of Plato's Republic [Cambridge University Press, 1926], in which a calculation indicating that Plato meant 36 000 years in paragraph 546 is presented. The steps of the argument then appear to be as follows:

1: Ptolemy [c 130 - 170 AD], in Al Magest, tells us that two centuries after Plato, Hipparchos [c 190 to 120 BC] defined the precessional rate as one degree per hundred years.

2: Hence 36 000 years [100 x 360] would be the Greek view of the length of a Great Year [if indeed they had such a concept.]

3: Plato's mathematics in paragraph 456 also gives 36 000 years.

4: Hence, Plato must have been aware of the length of the Great Year and the movement of the Equinoxes two centuries before Ptolemy.

5: Some commentators have taken the thesis another step: they argue that as Plato had knowledge of the Great Year, he must have understood the concept of precession, and that perhaps this knowledge even pre-dated Plato.
 
6: The argument for the knowledge pre-dating Plato is that Greek observational astronomy in Plato's time probably was not yet accurate enough to measure the rate of precession. Hence, it is argued, the knowledge must have come from elsewhere. [And the Babylonians, whilst the originators of much else in astrology, do not appear to have possessed the concept.] As Plato was the first to mention Atlantis in the written record, some commentators have argued that perhaps the knowledge came from there.




The Counter-Argument: Plato Knew Nothing of Precession: If Plato - perhaps the most famous of philosophers - knew of the rate of precession, it is perhaps strange that Ptolemy never mentions this: a reference to the works of Plato never did any harm to the reputation of a Classical philosopher.

The best counter-argument is paragraph 456 itself. Reading it, it is very difficult to see why anyone would think the text has any connection with the movements of anything in the heavens. It mostly seems to be concerned with child birth and the best times at which people should conceive, in order to avoid births going amiss. All the math in the second part of the paragraph relates to the numerology of human child birth. [The Greeks didn't have Algebra; they did math by doing trigonometry, hence the references to squares.] The only possible reference to something celestial are the mysterious words divine creature. This may - and then again may not - be referring to something in the heavens. However, Plato very clearly states that the breeding of the divine creature - is controlled by a perfect number.




The Greek definition of a perfect number [which is also the definition that we still use today] is an integer which is the sum of its positive proper divisors. For example, 6 can be divided properly [that is, the result is a whole number, e.g. 1, 2, 3, etc.] by the numbers 1, 2 and 3, but 6 can also be obtained by adding the numbers 1, 2 and 3. The Greeks knew the first three numbers in the series of perfect numbers, 6, 28 and 248 and perhaps they also were aware of the fourth number, 8 128, but the fifth was only discovered in modern times. It is 33 550 336, not 36 000. [Sorry about all the math!]




As the Greeks - as did most ancient cultures - saw a very strong connection between conception and the period of the Moon, the simplest explanation is that Plato - if he was thinking of the heavens at all - was referring to the perfect number 28, the approximate number of days in a Lunar month, as that of the period of the divine creature.




Which ever perfect number he was thinking of, he can not have been thinking of 36 000. Really, there is no evidence at all in that paragraph, or elsewhere in his works, that Plato knew of precession. We astrologers might be better using the expression "Hipparchos" months instead.

Plato's Spindle of Necessity: Plato does write in The Republic, paragraph 617 - 618, of something called a Spindle of Necessity, a shaft of light running straight through heaven and Earth like a pillar, the tie-rod of heaven, but this seems to be the extent of his astrology in that work.  In Plato's concept the Earth was the centre of the Universe and unmoving, the planets and fixed stars revolved around it in rings, with the Spindle as the axis of revolution.  There are few further details given, but equinoxes and constellations do not come into the text, which is more concerned with the Fates than with the movement of heavenly bodies. The Spindle seems to be a fairly clear allusion to the celestial axis and the circumpolar revolution of the stars. This concept was very familiar to the ancients, because they saw it with their own eyes night after night in the heavens - the rotation of constellations around the still point of Polaris as the night went on. Had Plato been aware of the Great Year - and hence the movement of this axis relative to the stars - this would have been the logical place to have mentioned it, but he does not.
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Plato's Complete Year [c 360 BC]
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Definition: [Astrological Ages] The time it takes for all the seven planets, known to Classical astrologers, and the stars in the night sky, as seen from Earth, to return to their origin point. This is sometimes confused with the Great Year or 'Platonic' Year, but in reality it would take a much greater period of time, several hundred thousand years, for all these planet's places in the heavens to come back to a particular starting point.

Plato's Complete Year: Plato writes of the Complete Year in Timaeus - the work in which Plato introduces Atlantis. In paragraph 39c-d, he writes:

In this wise and for these reasons were generated Night and Day, which are the revolution of the one and most intelligent circuit; and Month, every time that the Moon having completed her own orbit overtakes the Sun; and Year, as often as the Sun has completed his own orbit. Of the other stars the revolutions have not been discovered by men (save for a few out of the many); wherefore they have no names for them, nor do they compute and compare their relative measurements, so that they are not aware, as a rule, that the “wanderings“ of these bodies, which are hard to calculate and of wondrous complexity, constitute Time. Nevertheless, it is still quite possible to perceive that the complete number of Time fulfils the Complete Year when all the eight circuits, with their relative speeds, finish together and come to a head, when measured by the revolution of the Same and Similarly-moving. In this wise and for these reasons were generated all those stars which turn themselves about as they travel through Heaven, to the end that this Universe might be as similar as possible to the perfect and intelligible Living Creature in respect of its imitation of the Eternal.

Various commentators consider that Plato is referring above to precession and the Movement of the Ages. Indeed you can find footnotes to this effect in various printed and web versions of Timaeus, which generally then refer you on to the quotation on the Perfect Number of the Divine Creature from The Republic.

That this is not the case becomes clearer when the Classical Greek view of the heavens is taken into account. Firstly, the stars Plato is referring to above, the ones which wander, or turn themselves about as they travel through Heaven, are what we now call the planets. Hence, when Plato refers to the eight revolutions he refers to the revolutions of the five planets known at the time, from Mercury through to Saturn, plus the Sun and the Moon [he actually states this earlier in the work in paragraph 38c of Timaeus] and finally, one more rather mysterious-sounding revolution.

Is this last revolution, then something to do with precession? No. The eighth revolution is simply that of the "fixed stars" of the constellations around the Earth: the sight that the Greeks saw each night in the night sky. This is what Plato means by the again rather mysterious sounding revolution of the Same, [see Timaeus paragraph 39b]. In the Greeks' model of the universe, the stars rotated around the Earth on a great Celestial Sphere. They had yet to discover that the Earth was spinning on its axis, and that the revolution of the stars through the night sky is an optical illusion.

Hence Platos' Complete Year refers to when all the seven planets, and the stars in the night sky, as seen from Earth, return to their origin point. How long this might be is very difficult to say, as it all depends on when Plato took their starting point from. This, he doesn't tell us. However, modern astrologers' computer calculations show it would be in the range of several hundreds of thousands of years, not 36 000, nor 25 770 years.  However long it is, it has absolutely nothing to do with a Great Year and no connection at all with precession. It has a lot to do with our wish to read into the works of ancient writers concepts that we now possess, and they did not. Sometimes, we really do know more than they did.


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The Changing North Pole Star
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Definition: [Astrological Ages] Because of the Precession of the Earth, over the period of a Great Year the north Pole Star changes. This is not because the stars are changing, but because our Viewpoint of the stars changes very slowly because of Precession.

Precession can be thought of as the slow movement of the Earth's axis with respect to the stars. Hence, as the axis is moving, with time it points to different places in the heavens. The dotted circle on the figure below shows all the places that the axis will point to over a complete Great Year. Back in 2700 BC the axis pointed to the star Thuban, the Snake; now it points to Polaris





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 The Changing Pole Star How to understand this star map: Have a look bottom left, that's the date in years. It starts in 3000 BC, [the BC years have a minus sign in front] when astrology was just beginning amongst the Mesopotamian culture, and goes through to 8000 AD. As the years change the figure is showing you a picture of the night sky at the time. It stops momentarily at 2000 AD to show you the sky as it looks now.

Next, have a look at the spot marked Zenith in the center of the star map. That spot marks the point in the night sky where - over the centuries - the North Celestial Pole lies. You can see that as the centuries pass, different stars are the star at the Zenith. [A dotted circular line has been drawn on the figure so you can see which stars will become the Pole Star as the centuries pass.] Currently, the star Polaris, α Ursae Minoris is the Pole Star. Back in 2700 BC the star Thuban, α Draconis, in the constellation of the Dragon, was be the Pole Star. This is one of the faintest stars in the sky to have a name, doubtless because it was of such importance to our astrological ancestors.


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                                            THE GODS OF THE GREAT AGES





by Betty Rhodes

According to scientists, the Earth enters a new Zodiacal Age approximately every 2160 years, and these ages are called the Great Ages. According to their calculations, we are coming to the completion of the Great Age of Pisces, about to begin the Great Age of Aquarius. The Great Ages overlap, however, and it is difficult to determine when one Age ends and the next Age begins, unless you know Astrology fairly well. The Great Ages do have obvious key points and patterns, which correspond to the sign they reflect, and are, identified with more exactitude because of these astrological patterns.

The generally excepted number of 2160 years for the length of each Great Age, is derived by using 72 degrees, in which the Earth moves throughout the constellations, multiplied by 30 degrees in a Zodiacal sign – assuming one is using twelve signs per cycle. 2160 years multiplied by 12 (signs) makes the ‘full cycle’ of all Great Ages to be, 25,920 years.

However, the Earth today, moves through thirteen signs in the Mazzaroth Trail, [the constellations], so the set number of 2160 years per Great Age is no longer correct. Each Age would be somewhat different in duration, one from the other, and from earlier Ages past, the length of Earth time was anywhere from 1994 years [13 signs], to 2520 years [ten signs], in difference. Scientists use an average of 2160 years now, but during Biblical times, the figure was 2520 years. Today, the actual count would, in reality, be approximately 1994 years for the duration of the Great Age of Aquarius [see ‘life-span’ of each Age below’]

The Universe is alive and growing – spreading out and changing constantly. The number of years in any given Great Age, to be exact, must be calculated on the actual movement of the Earth through the Mazzaroth Trail, for that particular Age and the constellations through which the Earth travels during that period, before beginning a new journey.

During the Great Age of Leo, Anu was the Elohiym god who ruled over that golden Age. The Great Age of Cancer was an Age of fertility, the Great Age of Gemini saw Enlil and his twin brother, Enki, as the ‘gods’ who ruled that Age of the Twins. The Age of Taurus had the goddess of love and beauty and the bull; while the ‘god’ of Aries was Yahweh, or Marduk. There is enough information on the Great Ages, and the gods who ruled them, to fill an entire book, but for purposes here, we mention only the theory.

The following chart shows the Great Ages and the Elohiym ‘god’ who ruled during that particular Great Age. Anu was the King of Hibiru for thousands of years – it is uncertain if he still rules today or not.

The attributes, patterns, and keywords, for each Great Age - from Leo to Aquarius, are, listed below and are hard to dispute, as the patterns are factual, and history reflecting the patterns, is common knowledge.

The following chart shows approximate dates - with a sliding scale of 23.7 degrees [years] to compensate for the ‘life-span’ of each new Age.

 Age of Virgo lasted 2160 yrs, Leo lasted 2136 yrs, Cancer 2113 yrs, Gemini 2089 yrs, Taurus 2065 yrs, Aries 2041 yrs, Pisces 2018 yrs, Aquarius will last for approximately 1994 yrs, Capricorn will last for about 1970 yrs. Prior to Virgo the count was more than 2160 years. The duration is becoming shorter - ‘thank god’.





STATUS - THE GREAT AGE - THE RULING ‘GOD’ - Approximate dates


60 - Age of LEO - ANU - 10,528 BCE to 8392 BCE

55 - Age of CANCER - GODDESS - 8392 BCE to 6279 BCE

50 - Age of GEMINI - ENLIL & ENKI - 6279 BCE to 4190 BCE

45 - Age of TAURUS - ISHTAR - APHRODITE - ISIS - 4190 BCE to 2125 BCE

40 - Age of ARIES - YHWH or MARDUK - 2125 BCE to 84 BCE

35 - Age of PISCES - JESUS - 84 BCE to 1934 CE

30 - Age of AQUARIUS - MESSIAH - 1934 CE to 3928 CE

25 - Age of CAPRICORN - Survivors - 3928 CE to 5998 CE
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                                            THE SIGNS OF THE GREAT AGES





Each Great Age had its identifying leaders, as well as a God, patterned directly after the sign of the particular Age in which they ruled. Each God was always true to their Zodiacal sign of the Age they represented. However, realizing this fact, was it the Age that created a God, patterned after the particular sign of the Great Age, or was the God created for the Great Age?





AGE OF LEO: Leo, ruled by the Sun, is the Age that ushered in the highest royal authority from the extraterrestrial Gods, represented by the King of Hibiru - Anu. Gold would be the element, a Lion the animal, and Royalty, among the Elohiym godhead, was established. Reflecting Leo’s royal-like attributes, is the Sun and King Solomon.

Opposite the fire sign of Leo is the air sign of Aquarius, which ‘pours’ down that which is in the heavens to the Earth. The Sphinx in Egypt represents this Great Age of Leo, with the face of a Lion, looking at the opposite sign, Aquarius. This is the first Great Age that saw extraterrestrials walking on the Earth, with Anu, as the highest authority. Sun worship was prominent during the Great Age of Leo.


AGE OF CANCER: Cancer, ruled by the Moon, is a feminine natural sign that symbolizes nurturing and the protector of life – mother Earth.

Opposite the water sign of Cancer, is the Earth sign Capricorn. The creation of the Adams occurred during the Great Age of Cancer. A Mother-type Goddess ruled during this era and the virgin mother and child image was prominent.


AGE OF GEMINI: Gemini, ruled by Mercury, is a mental and communicative sign of the twins. Symbolizing the duos, we have Adam and Eve, the two opposing trees in the Garden of Eden, the twin brothers, Enki and Enlil, Jacob and Esau, and Cain and Abel. The twin brothers, Enlil and Enki, brought to Earth, many mental attributes, such as the various sciences, mathematics, languages, and communication skills, which are all Gemini patterns.

Opposite the sign of Gemini is the fire sign of Sagittarius, which ushered in religions and higher knowledge to the world’s inhabitants, i.e., the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The Mesopotamian Valley seems to have been the ‘country’, and the Sumerian civilization, the ‘people’ representing the Great Age of Gemini.  The changing of the Age of Gemini, to the Age of Taurus, occurred when Abraham left the Harran-Ur-Sumer area, as the land soon became, devastated by the war games of the gods. A toxic cloud formed from the bombings of cities and temples, causing the Elohiym and Anunnaki to leave the area. Too much knowledge can be a destructive thing in the hands of careless people - no matter who they are.


AGE OF TAURUS: Taurus, a feminine sign, is, ruled by Venus – the goddess of love and beauty, saw Ishtar as the goddess of this Great Age. Taurus is an earthy sign that governs the land and growing things in the soil. Taurus, the sign of builders, saw the construction of the pyramids; and Noah, the Ark builder, represented that Great Age. The venerated animal was the bull – linked to the Egyptian god, Ptah. The red heifer that produced the bull, once thought to be the goddess Isis. All types of bovine were sacred during this Age - bulls, heifers and calves. The wearing of horns in ancient Egypt implied great power as ruler and prince.

Opposite the sign of Taurus is the water sign of Scorpio, which had the serpents of Egypt, and the Great Flood. Egypt was the ‘country’ and ‘people’, representing the Great Age of Taurus. The official ending of the Age of Taurus occurred when the Israelites made their Exodus out of Egypt – this would have then ushered in the Great Age of Aries.


AGE OF ARIES: Aries, ruled by Mars, is the fire sign of combat, warriors, leaders, [good, and bad], wars, Babylon, Moses, Marduk, YHWH, and Alexander the Great. The [sacrificial] animal, as well as the animal representing the sign of Aries, was/is the Ram and sheep; and because Aries is a fire sign, we have the burning bush, and fiery chariots. The killing of sacrificial animals and the bloody sentiments of these sacrifices, involved knifes, which are prominent representations of Aries and Mars. The planet, Mars, astrologically, represents weapons of all kinds, as well as killing, of humans, as well as animals.

Opposite the fire sign of Aries, is the air sign of Libra, indicating the scale of balance and justice, instituted as Laws, which would bring about balance and justice, if followed. These same laws are still in existence, known as the common laws of the land.  Israel, Jerusalem, and the Jews, represented the ‘country’ and the ‘people’, of the Great Age of Aries. The Age of Aries was coming to a close with the rise of Julius Caesar, but the actual changing of the ‘Age’, took place when the Romans, [representing the incoming Great Age of Pisces], crucified a Jewish man, Jesus. This indicated an end to the Age of Aries. Roman Emperor, Titus, in 70 AD, destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem and the Jews have never regained their prominence since that day – their glory ending with the Age of Aries.


AGE OF PISCES: Pisces, ruled by Neptune, is the nebulous water sign that reflects both the deceiver and the deceived. The pattern for the entire Age of Pisces reflects deception, and mystery, as well as servitude. The animal representing Pisces is a fish, or two fishes on a string. The convenient ‘raising’ of Jesus Christ as the venerated god, who ruled the Age of Pisces, with the opposing sign, Virgo, representing the virgin mother of Jesus, formed an entire religion, created around these astrological patterns.

The sign of Pisces also represents inspiration, artistic endeavors, baptisms by water, and the suffering of martyrs, monks, nuns, and Catholic priests. Pisces rules the 12th house of the Zodiac, which has a ‘dark’ side of suffering and silent pain – and the Dark Ages were very typical of this pattern, right up to, and including, WWII and the holocaust.  Rome and the Christians, as an institution, represents the ‘country’ and ‘people’ of the Great Age of Pisces, which ends with the shocking revelations of truth and light from the ‘god’ of the Age of Aquarius, exposing the deception of this Great Age.


AGE OF AQUARIUS: Aquarius, ruled by Uranus, begins with freedom fighters and truth seekers. Exiting is the old bondage of Piscean deception, replaced with the desire for harmony, truth, and humanitarian causes, marching strongly through the gates of the Great Age of Aquarius. This air sign represents a revolutionary period that ushers in a society of reformers who will see an absolute rejunification of all things, from a Messiah-type influence, whose pattern is, reflected in the planet, Pluto, as reform and rejunification.

WWII was all about freedom, and ‘TRUTH and FREEDOM’ will eventually reign paramount during this Great Age. The symbol for Aquarius is the ‘water bearer pouring out water [truth as enlightenment], from the Heavens [air sign of Aquarius]. The sign of Aquarius represents astrology, astronomy, outer space, space travel, science, and extraterrestrials. The Great Age of Aquarius may very well bring in the ‘Kings of the East’, which are Astrologers.  The Great Spirit will then ‘pour’ wisdom down from on high, and the truth will be, written upon every heart.


Found in this Great Age, is the unification of all peoples and countries around the globe, and an end to the traditions that have, held humankind in bondage for so long. Religions will be deemed a detriment to society, and harmful to soul Ascension. The knowledge of the Age will be unlike any Earthly traditional doctrine and dogma, for the wisdom forthcoming will emanate from the highest heavenly air sign of them all, Aquarius.

Opposite Aquarius is the fire sign of Leo, indicating a possible destruction of all things by fire, and the millennium judgment of all things. The country and people representing the Great Age of Aquarius will be the American freedom fighters, eliminating all that is no longer useful or beneficial.


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This article was written before the year 2000






                                        Has the Age of Aquarius Arrived?





Precession of the Equinoxes



by Naomi Bennett

Until recently, the Greek Hipparchus, was given the credit for discovering the procession of the equinoxes. This 25,920 cycle is the foundation for the Age of Pisces which by modern measurement puts each age as 2,160 years long. The procession causes the fixed stars to rise and set against the earth’s solar years so that at the first day of spring, which is the spring equinox, the constellation of Aries no longer rises but the constellation of Pisces does now. In contrast, the Egyptians started their year at the summer solstice when the constellation Orion rose with the sun to mark the beginning of the flooding of the Nile.
With more insightful study of ancient myths and Egyptian temples, texts and myths, it now appears that the Egyptians priests knew and measured the procession back to the old kingdom and there are hints that this knowledge went back to the Age of Gemini which ended somewhere near 6,140 BC.

In 1895, John Lockyer, the British Astronomer Royal, wrote The Dawn of Astronomy where he visited and measured most of the Egyptian temples to prove their alignment to fixed stars and their realignment every 400 years to compensate for the precession. He was highly disregarded in his time but recognized for his original thinking in the 70’s.

Schwaller de Lubicz showed that the Zodiac of Dendera in the Temple of Hathor (around 100 BC) was actually a time clock measurement that marked the procession of the equinoxes from the Age of Pisces back to the Age of Taurus which started in 4380 BC by his calculations. Schwaller estimated the Age of Pisces to begin near 60 BC and the Age of Aquarius to begin at 2100 AD.

Dr. Giorgio de Santillana, historian and author of Hamlet’s Mill, traced all the ancient myths and legends around the world to show they had a foundation in the description of the procession. Jane B. Sellers then extended Santillana’s concept in The Death of the Gods in Ancient Egypt by analyzing Egyptian myth to show the consistent reference to the procession of the stars in their religious beliefs in the Osiris- Horus myths. These myths were the center of their theology, they empowered the pharaohs, and determined their death beliefs and practices.

The Orion Mystery by Robert Bauval (an engineer) and Adrian Gilbert use the procession of the equinoxes to add proof that the Great Pyramid and the King’s Chamber were used to send the dead Pharaoh’s spirit to the Orion constellation. By use of modern astronomy software they calculate the Age of Aquarius to begin approximately 2,070 AD when a half precession cycle of 12,920 shows the Orion constellation at it’s highest declination of -1 degree 50 seconds and it’s maximum altitude at the Meridian at 58 degrees 11 seconds. It’s opposite point at 10,300 BC would have been the beginning of the Age of Leo when Zeta Orionis would have a lowest declination of -48 degrees 53 seconds and an altitude at the meridian of 11 degrees 8 seconds. (Footnote 1)

This last calculation hints that the Egyptians might have considered that the concept of Great Return could begin at the Age of Leo when the stars in Orion are at its lowest declination. Jane Sellers stated that “I am convinced that for ancient man, the numbers 72...2160, 25,920 all signified the concept of the Eternal Return.” Footnote 2. It takes 72 years for the precession to move 1 degree, 2,160 years for one Age, and 25,920 for the entire cycle to repeat.

Robert Hand in the essay, The Age and Constellation of Pisces, uses the date of 221 AD as the date when the topical and sidereal zodiacs where in alignment which was deduced by Fagan and Bradley. From this point he calculates the first star in Pisces to cross the vernal point at 111 BC, which would place the Age of Aquarius to begin near 2,060 AD. Footnote 3.

So, from three very different calculations, we have the Age of Aquarius beginning from 2,060 to 2,100 AD.

Yet, why do I sense that we have already entered the Age of Aquarius? Since the invention of mass production, global use of electricity, the car, phone, television, NASA, invention of technology to shrink the globe with computers, and satellite transmission of voice and data like the Internet. These are all related to Aquarius. Since the advent of psychology with Freud, Jung and Adler, the Church as been displaced as a prime spiritual force for many. This century brought the decline of Church power over most governments. They can only advise and recommend now. This is a decline in the force of Pisces and the Great Religions. Since we are within 1 degree of a new age, are we sliding into the change gradually over a century or two? Is the presence of Uranus and soon Neptune in 1998 into Aquarius a preview to the future or a reaching out to pull the Age more into Now?

These questions are not answerable by absolute fact but by observation. So far, Aquarius hasn’t been the sign of brotherly love but of individual rebels with extreme ideas like the Oklahoma City bombing the first month that Uranus entered Aquarius, the militia, the Unabomber and Rabin’s assassin. Since January of this year, major scientific discoveries have been made. The Universe has quadrupled in size, Jupiter’s atmosphere was too cool, the oldest stars are 6 billions years too old by current theory. Scientific sacred cows are falling and should continue for the next 7 years.

Kepler believed that the great conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn in the sign of Pisces truly noted the full beginning of the Age. But that was before the discovery of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. What are our modern measurements now? Could Uranus and Neptune be adequate significators? Uranus will reenter Aquarius in 2080 just in time for the New Age. Aquarius’s ruler will be in its own sign at entry. Personally, I like this idea best.

Footnote 1. The Orion Mystery , by Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert, Mandarin Books, 1995.
Footnote 2. The Death of Gods in Ancient Egypt, Jane B. Sellers, Penquin Books, 1992.
Footnote 3. Essays on Astrology, Robert Hand, Whitford Press, 1982.




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                                                    Precession of the Equinoxes






What is it, and how does it affect Astrology?



The argument of the Precession of the Equinoxes is one frequently made by those opposed to astrology, who claim that it ‘disproves’ astrology and renders it invalid. This is perhaps best illustrated by an answer we gave in response to a recent question:

"How can astrology be valid when the points in space you refer to are no longer in the same positions as they were thousands of years ago? Doesn't that invalidate all of this horoscope stuff?"

I think the phenomenon to which you are referring is known as the Precession of the Equinoxes. Because of this phenomenon, the zodiac signs do not now correspond with the constellations of the same name. This point is often made by astronomers and others to apparently 'prove' that astrology cannot 'work'. In actual fact, astrologers are well aware of the Precession and its effects.

The point referred to by Astronomers as the vernal equinox, and by astrologers as 0 degrees Aries is in fact seen each year from the earth as slightly before its previous year's position against the background of the constellations. This is caused by a wobble in the earth's axis, caused by unequal gravitational pull of the Sun and the Moon on the earth's surface. The point referred to as 0 degrees Aries is actually seen from earth now as being in the constellation of Pisces. Aha, the sceptics say - that proves astrology is nonsense, you say that someone's sun is in Aries when in fact that point in space is now in Pisces, right? Wrong.

It is vital to understand the difference between constellations and the zodiac. Much confusion arises for the lay person because the constellations have the same names as the signs of the zodiac, but they are not the same thing. The groups of stars marked on charts as constellations are not actually groups at all. What we see from earth is the grouping of several points of light, some from points many millions of light years away, and others from much further even that that. These 'groups' have no definite boundary lines as such, but are conveniently classified by man into constellations.

At the time that these constellations were being named and their name becoming known in the public arena, the 30 degrees of ecliptic, starting from the vernal equinox, was called Aries and the constellation that appeared as its background was therefore also called Aries. No precise date can be given for this, but the precession of the equinoxes was not discovered until 134 b.c by Hipparchus.

It is the vernal equinox point (0 degrees Aries to an astrologer) that appears from earth to move further back each year - the constellations remain in the same positions. However, the signs of the zodiac are and always have been counted in 30 degree segments from the vernal equinox point. Aries will always be the first 30 degrees of the ecliptic (with the others signs following on), and therefore will, each year, appear slightly further back against the background of the constellations.

So, the fact that the point we call 0 degrees Aries is now seen from earth as being against the background of the constellation of Pisces has nothing whatsoever to do with astrology - it neither proves nor disproves anything. When people assume that it somehow 'disproves' astrology, they have not understood the difference between the astronomical constellations and the astrological zodiac. It might help to understand if you can think of the signs of the zodiac as being a kind of shorthand to describe the various degrees of the ecliptic (remember, this always begins at the vernal equinox, and it's starting point does not change but it appears to against the background of the constellations). Each 30 degree segment of the ecliptic has certain astrological significance, but we don't actually need to call them Aries, Taurus and so on at all. It is just easier to say (for instance) that in a particular chart Mars is at 3 degrees Cancer rather than have to say it is at 93 degrees of the ecliptic.

I hope this answer has made things clearer for you. It is quite a tricky concept for the non-astrologer to grasp, but basically you should always remember that the signs of the zodiac and the astronomical constellations may share names, but are not the same thing!


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THE GODS OF THE GREAT AGES
by Betty Rhodes

According to scientists, the Earth enters a new Zodiacal Age approximately every 2160 years, lled the Great Ages.

completion Age of Pisces,to begin the Great Age of Aquarius.
 The Great Ages overlap,fairly well.


The generally excepted number of 2160 years for the length of each Great Age, is derived by using 72 degrees, in which the Earth moves throughout the constellations,


However, the Earth today, moves through thirteen signs in the Mazzaroth Trail, [the constellations],  during Biblical times, the figure was 2520 years. Today, the actual count would, in reality, be 1994 years for Age of Aquarius [see ‘life-span’ of each Age below’]

 Age of Leo, Anu was the Elohiym god who ruled over that golden Age.  Age of Cancer   Age of Gemini saw Enlil and his twin brother, Enki, as the ‘gods’ who ruled that Age of the Twins.  while the ‘god’ of Aries was Yahweh, or Marduk.ANU, was the King of Hibiru for thousands of years – it is uncertain if he still rules today or not.

 Age of Virgo lasted 2160 yrs, Leo lasted 2136 yrs, Cancer 2113 yrs, Gemini 2089 yrs, Taurus 2065 yrs, Aries 2041 yrs, Pisces 2018 yrs, Aquarius will last for approximately 1994 yrs, Capricorn will last for about 1970 yrs. Prior to Virgo the count was more than 2160 years. The duration is becoming shorter - ‘thank god’.


STATUS - THE GREAT AGE - THE RULING ‘GOD’ - Approximate dates


60 - Age of LEO - ANU - 10,528 BCE to 8392 BCE

55 - Age of CANCER - GODDESS - 8392 BCE to 6279 BCE

50 - Age of GEMINI - ENLIL & ENKI - 6279 BCE to 4190 BCE

45 - Age of TAURUS - ISHTAR - APHRODITE - ISIS - 4190 BCE to 2125 BCE

40 - Age of ARIES - YHWH or MARDUK - 2125 BCE to 84 BCE

35 - Age of PISCES - JESUS - 84 BCE to 1934 CE

30 - Age of AQUARIUS - MESSIAH - 1934 CE to 3928 CE

25 - Age of CAPRICORN - Survivors - 3928 CE to 5998 CE

DEAR...............BIANCA,


ABOUT nr 45" TAURUS------------ISHTAR------APHRODITE:


In Punician Lore TAURUS was the WHITE SEABU or SON of HELIOS

HELIOS was the SUN/ HYPERION and thus his" SON" was the Moon.


In the Egyptian Astronomy,

Horus(= Mercury.)+ SETH or SETHEN= SATAN (= mOON.0were fighting
for a prominent place near " Osirus" (= Poseidon/-MARS.)

BUT SOMEHOW EARTH CAUGHT MOON AND THE SUN
CAUGHT MERCURY FROM THIS PLANETARY OCCLuSION.


Greek Mythology suggests that the Moon has fallen to Earth
 on TWO occasions:

After a quarrel between Jupiter/Zeus and his spouse HERA about the Ugliness of their 
son Mars/ HAEPHAISTOS. Which I can hardly immagine, what his Ugliness consisted of....
" Ugly " maybe because the Moon at birth, was already dotted with Smoking Craters or Meteor holes ? ?


anyway HEPHAISTOS (= Moon,)

 fell into the Sea or unto an Island named Samos but became limp(= whobbling-Libarations of the Moon's whobble.)
 from that Fall and was nursed by the Peaole of SAMOS, in the same Grotto on
Mount Dykte, where Zeus was to be consealed later and were Zeus" Senews" were kept
 by the HEKATONCEIRES that were temporarily released from the TARTASROS by Zeus
 to help him Fight the TITANS(=Titano- machia in; 1055 bc.)


The Second fall-time that MOON fell
to Earth it was because it collided with Mercury
which collision sent Mercury to the Sun's orbit and Moon around Earth in orbit.


By arranging the recorded occurence or Tsunami/ cataclysm records,
 
of the 18-th Dynasty retold in Greek Myth I came to the Conclusion

that the  two Moon-Falls to Earth were called the  TITANO-Machia( in 1055 bc.)
 
and the GiGANTO-Machia( in: 855 bc.) with annual close approaches of the Moon to Earth.)


These Moon conjunctions

 caused real Tsunamies when in combination with an
aklignment of Sun- Earth -Moon + Mars. in a 50 years CYCLE that occurred on:

1055--1005---- 955--905----855--805----755--705---655--605bc(Occurred a Sun eclipse predicted by Thale of Milete.)


Dr. Velikovsky from Princeton Univ. Jearsey

wrote  in 1949, that the Babylonians had a fake VENUS-Cycle table dating
Venus Cycles, all the way back to:  4000 bc.

 which in his view was impossible because the Venuis COMET turned into a
 Regular Planet, only around 1500 bc in conventional Time and around 1075 in his Revised Chronology.


By what whatever name the Moon
was called prior to the year 855 bc, it was named
DIONE and when it fell to Earth and rose from the SEA(= Pacific-Sea.)it was renamed:

DIONE- Nyssos or ISHTAR/ ATHAR-GATIS and in it's present Form and Oerbit around
 Earth the Present MOON cannot be older than 855 bc

This means that backtrack postulations and calculations of the Moon's ancient trails
and orbit around Earth aided by a planetarium are faulty and a fallacy.


The tilting of the Earth

( 's AXIS, only since as LATE as 855 bc and NOT since time immemorial !)
caused the Constellations known before from the " STRAIGHT-up Axis"Earth tio merge together.


An Example that Springs to mind

is the Constellation/ StarSign Falcon and Virgin which were adjacent.

But after the Axis-TILT, the ( starry-)wings of the ( Double-headded-)Falcon
 became attached to the back of the Virgin -Sign,

and the formerly wide-wing-spreading Falcon,

 now became a brance squatting Falcon with on his back, his spreaded-out wings

" seemingly closed in the folded position, and his double head became only ONE
The other Head became a " Fly-swatter " in the Virgun's right hand.)


The other Example
that readily springs to mind is described in REVELLATIONS nr ( ?? )
At the Foot of the Virgin there was a CANCER or Scorpion- Sign, that lost it's
forepaws to the Virgin-Sign which became the balance-Scales that She holds now.


So the Present" TILTED " sign of the Constellation/ Star-Sign VIRGO  actually,
 consists of the Wings of " FALCON, and the FORE-PAWS of the SCORPION.


To prove that around 900 bc or 855 bc the earth Tilted
and NOT before that ,
Dr Velikovsky pointed at the Heliacal-Astronomical Ceiling of the Tomb of SENENMUT
 the Grand STEWARD of Queen Hatsepsut at DENDEIRA


DENDEIRA astronomical ceiling,
Consisting of TWO immages of the Northern and of the Southern night / nocturnal-
Hemisphere with the Starsigns in respect of the present Pyramids in a different
 position and with the position of the Pyramids in the present Correct position in

respect to the Starsigns that they are supposed to represent( by Lockyer 1870.)

Indication a Star-shift or a shift in the Axis-position of the Earth inbetween 955/ 855 bc


 Huh CONCLUSION,

All references of Starsign-positions BEFORE 855 bc as being the same with a vernal-
Equinox precession added, must be faulty because that Precession did not exist
 before 855 bc.


The babilonian Account of a Planet called NIBURU
that was on a dead-course towards
 Earth in 860-855 bc, was the Planet MERCURY that has since changed, positions,
 from a wandering Planet called the"  Messenger of the Gods as " Hermes"
and than  established itself,  in orbit around the Sun.


" JESUS"  was born
 into the PISCES great Age ( Starting: 85 bc.) was the NEW- roman GOD;
 
Julius Caesar who was born in 100 bc and died in March 44 bc.)His son called him" Chrestos"

Sincerely,

" BlueHue Cry  Shocked  Cry dd. 25-June--2008


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