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« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2007, 02:37:55 pm »




So glad you got a great sense of humour, Sungate!


ROTFLMAO........


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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2007, 03:41:08 pm »

Nary a one!  But I do stand by the assessment of them as phallus symbols.  I know that the prevailing modern thought of religion is far from this concept, but FAR far longer in human affairs was the understanding of the seed of the Alfather being the most important "thing", and the understanding of it's role in the strength and health of the human race.  Not so much for the sex per se, but for the seeding of the race....  Sex-act being just the pleasant or unpleasant by product of the seeding....

Consequently, every symbol that is even vaguely pointed is representative of the phallus of the Father.  Arrows, lightning bolts, horns of every horned beast, hares and asses because of their ears, poles, trees, swords, even lettuce! and on and on..... and it follows that a "V" shape or a hole or circle is significant of the Mother/Mate of the Father.


Min was always a god of fertility and sexuality. He was shown as a human male with an erect ****. In Egyptian times, he was usually an ithyphallic bearded mummiform man, standing with both legs together, an arm raised holding his symbol or a flail and wearing the same low crown with twin plumes as Amen. (The way he holds his flail might be symbolic of sexual intercourse - the flail forms the V while his upraised forearm seems to thrust inside the V.) The Egyptian paintings and reliefs on tomb walls and temples didn't show Min's other arm, but the statues of the god show him with his hand encircling the base of his ****.

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He was associated with the Egyptian long-leaf lettuce - an aphrodisiac to the ancient Egyptians because the lettuce was tall, straight and secreted a milky substance when pressed! (This was also a favourite food of Set.) Min was often shown standing before offering tables, covered with heads of lettuce.



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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2007, 07:46:25 pm »

                                     









Obelisk.

The Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt made it. And the Roman Emperors made its replicas. Really a lot of obelisks were made, from a small one as less than 1 meter to a large one as more than 30 meters. But there are only 30 obelisks at present, which are large-size ones standing outdoors.


 Out of 30, only 7 obelisks are still remaining in Egypt, and 13 are in Rome, Italy. Other obelisks are - in Paris, London, New York, Istanbul, Florence, Urbino (a small town in Italy), Catania (Sicilia), Wimborne (a small town in Southern England), Arles (Southen France) and Caesarea (Israel), one obelisk respectively.




 Egypt               7   
   
 Rome               13

 Others             10 

 

Let's go to the travel, and visit all the obelisks worldwide. You can learn about their provenance and the present state.

However, please note that we will visit only the "authentic" obelisks, and not "obelisk-shaped" structures like well-known Washington Monument  in Washington, D.C. For your reference, here are some examples of "obelisk-shaped" structures worldwide:

http://members.aol.com/Aokamoto22/collection.htm

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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2007, 08:06:48 pm »







1.    All 30 Standing Obelisks Worldwide (Outdoor)


       (  Listing 30 obelisks.)


E G Y P T



Heliopolis Obelisk

Cairo Airport Obelisk
Cairo, Egypt

Gezira Island Obelisk Al Andalus Garden in Gezira Island




LUXOR/KARNAK, Egypt



Ramses II Obelisk Luxor Temple, In front of the 1st Pylon, left side.

Seti II Obelisk Karnak Great Temple of Amun, Before 1st Pylon, right side.

Tuthmosis I Obelisk Karnak Great Temple of Amun, Between 3rd and 4th Pylon, right side.

Queen Hatshepsut Obelisk Karnak Great Temple of Amun, Between 4th and 5th Pylon, left side.





Caesarea, Israel
Caesarea Obelisk

Istanbul, Turkey
Theodosius Obelisk




R O M E  [Roma], Italy (in order of height)


  1. Lateran Obelisk in the Piazza di San Giovanni in Laterano.
 
  2. Vatican Obelisk at the center of St. Peter's Square.

  3. Flaminian Obelisk in the Piazza del Popolo.

  4. Psammetikos II Obelisk in the Piazza di Montecitorio.
 
  5. Piazza Navona Obelisk at the Piazza Navona.
 
  6. Piazza dell'Esquilino Obelisk behind of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore.
 
  7. Piazza del Quirinale Obelisk in the Piazza del Quirinale.

  8. Trinita dei Monti Obelisk at the top of Spanish Steps.
 
  9. Monte Pincio Obelisk Pincio Hill's Garderns.

 10. Terme Obelisk South Garden, Viale delle Terme di Diocleziano.

 11. Rotonda Obelisk in front of Pantheon. (Piazza della Rotonda)

 12. Minerva Obelisk in front of Chiesa di Santa Maria Sopra Minerva. (Piazza della Minerva)
 
 13. Celimontana Obelisk Villa Celimontana.





I T A L Y


Urbino, Italy
Obelisk of Urbino at the Piazza del Rinascimento.


Florence [Firenze], Italy
Boboli Gardens Obelisk in Boboli Gardens, behind the Pitti Palace.


Catania, Sicilia, Italy
Catania Obelisk in Piazza del Duomo.





Paris, France
Obelisk at Place de la Concorde


Arles, France
 Obelisk of Arles at Place de la République.




New York, USA
 Cleopatra's Needle in Central Park.



 
London, England
 Cleopatra's Needle at Victoria Embankment.

Wimborne, Dorset, England
 Philae Obelisk in Kingston Lacy House and Park.


 

2.   Other Small Obelisks (INDOOR)
 


Luxor, Egypt
Ramses III Obelisk in the Luxor Museum.
 
Durham, Durham, England
Amenhotep II Obelisk in the University of Durham.



 
3.    Useful Links: 
 

  History of the Egyptian Obelisks by Carlitos Lunghi
(A very detailed guide for world obelisks.)
 
 

 
Obelisks in Rome, Part 1 by Andrea Pollett
Obelisks in Rome, Part 2 by Andrea Pollett
Obelisks in Rome, Part 3 by Andrea Pollett
(Introducing all the obelisks in Rome with pictures and illustrations. A very excellent guide.)


http://members.aol.com/Sokamoto31/obelisk.htm
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2007, 08:16:46 pm »







Mmmm,  This is embarassing........

Total for Italy:16.......


Ah, Those IMPERIAL Romans.......How greedy......

(Blush, blush in shame!!!)



If anybody checks at the beginning, way back in Jan/Feb., I bitterly stated that IMPERIAL ROME
should NOT be glorified.  Not too many knew what I was talking about: 


THE ONLY GLORY OF ROME WAS:



                     T H E   R E P U B L I C - April 21, 753 BCE - The Ides of March 44 BCE


      AND THE DEMOCRATIC LAWS IT PRODUCED :  WHAT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS BASED ON!!!



Senator Robert Byrd is the most learned Scholar of Roman Law in Washington, D.C.



If interested, it's all here:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,298.0.html


IMPERIAL ROME IS NOT VERY WORTHY OF ADMIRATION..........
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2007, 03:41:40 am »

Excellent work on this, Bianca.  I am inclined to agree with Rockessence, though, that the obelisk is an ancient phallic symbol, however - an evolution of a more cruder resemblance from the Stone Age.  Wink
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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2007, 12:18:27 pm »




Thank you, Prometheus.  It was a pleasure.  I take any and all opportunities to "go home"
to Italy, even if it's by way of Google.it or UTube. 

As for the meaning of the obelisk:  for sure:  IT'S A PHALLIC SYMBOL!


This next picture is 'just precious'......
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2007, 12:21:15 pm »




REAR OF THE PANTHEON IN ROME.

IN THE FOREFRONT IS "MINERVA'S CHICK" ENTHRONED ATOP BERNINI'S MARBLE ELEPHANT
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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2007, 12:38:43 pm »

Talk about gilding the lily!
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2007, 08:20:59 pm »





LOL, Rocky!


In reality, it's pretty modest for the man who did this:


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AND THIS
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2007, 08:30:00 pm »


APOLLO AND DAPHNE
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« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2007, 11:37:38 am »

The fact that the obelisk has been reproduced in such abundance is interesting on its own- from the Washington Monument to one Trujullo built in Santo Domingo I saw recently.
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2007, 12:09:15 pm »






Hi, Wanderer,

WELCOME to AO!!!


I agree that the obelisk has been and is reproduced in abundance.....

While I will keep my 'phallic symbol' personal opinion, here's what the OBELISK is (officially) supposed
to signify:




                                               History of the Egyptian Obelisks





The obelisk, called TEJEN in the sacred language of the ancient Egyptians, was a term which was synonymous with "protection" or "defense."  The needle of stone had the function of perforating the clouds and dispersing negative forces that always threaten to accumulate, in the form of visible storms  or invisible ones, and was placed over the temple as a symbol of a petrified ray. 

The word "Obelisk" comes from the Greek obeliskos, meaning a prong for roasting.  It is a stone that is frequently monolithic, of a quadrangular base, placed upright and ending with a  pointed top. It was placed in the center of large open spaces in the temples of the solar god RA.   They arose, by the time of the predynastic period cults, to a great sacred stone which was raised in the Temple of Heliopolis, the "City of the Sun." 

As with the pyramids, this monument had a primitive  relation with the solar cult. As a general rule, obelisks were erected in pairs and served to magically protect the temple.

The obelisk is composed of two parts:the body and the pyramidon.  The body is a long block of a conic trunk section and the pyramidon symbolizes the rays of the sun.  The top is the point of a pyramid formation which crowns the monolith and rested on a base.  It was plated in gold, a metal which the Egyptians affirmed was the "flesh of the gods." 

The obelisks originated from the granite quarries of Aswan.  In this place an unextracted obelisk still remains within the layer of rock.  To 1.200 tons., it would have been the tallest, 41,70 meters, but was abandoned for the workman due to the appearance of fissures in the stone.  It may have been the match for the Lateranense obelisk, a possible reason why there is only one in Karnak.
 
Generally, obelisks have inscriptions on all four sides and also parts of  the pyramidon are sometimes carved with bas-relief.  These monumente symbolize the stability and the creative force held by the solar god RA.  The Egyptians believed that the solar rays brought a great vivifying power even into the grave which would have an effect on the subsequent resurrection of the deceased.



 

               Champollion's  notes  of  his  study  of the  cartdrige  of  Cleopatra, inscribed on an

                obelisk found at Philae by Belzoni, The names of Cleopatra and Ptolemy  were  the

                first words deciphered by Champollion. By analysing the  texts of the Rosetta Stone

                and comparing them with  those  on  the  obelisk  of   Philae, Champollion  had  the

                brilliant intuition that the names of the pharaohs in cartdrige were in hieroglyphs with

                a phonetic  value, and that  it  was  therefore  possible  to  establish  an  equivalence

                between hieroglyphic and alphabetic signs.


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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2007, 12:17:06 pm »







From Mark Lehner:
 


The meaning of the obelisks has to do with solar worship. They definitely are inspired by Heliopolis, the ancient cult center northeast of modern Cairo, which was the seat of sun-worship, or the worship of the sun god Re.

The sacred item in the Holy of Holies in the temple of Heliopolis was something called the ben-ben. Ben-ben comes from an ancient Egyptian word that originally, primarily means "to swell." The ben-ben was a conical-shaped object like a small pyramidion. And the swelling, of course, has to do with the rising of the sun, the swelling of the light and so on. The Pyramids are thought to have been inspired by the Heliopolitan ben-ben and so were the obelisks, which have been called "pyramids on a stick" rather flippantly. The texts all associate the obelisks in various ways with the solar cult.

The obelisks were also put up for the pharaoh's Jubilee, which was traditionally a celebration of 30 years of rule, but some pharaohs could celebrate it earlier if they chose.

And finally, my own personal take on it, which is nothing you could prove or disprove, but just a kind of personal interpretation, is that the obelisks stand for resurrection. They stand in front of temple entrances. We know there were inner obelisks in the innermost sanctuary of Amun. It has even been suggested that there were portable obelisks that were picked up and put on the sacred barque when Amun went in procession to the temple of Luxor for the Festival of the Opet, and there were sockets there that were put in place right in front of Amun's shrine.

Important people during their funerals had their own little obelisks, and in their tomb scenes, in which they show the funeral ceremony, these obelisks are being set up in the proximity of the necropolis or right in front of the tomb. So I think the combination of the solar symbol, the Jubilee—which as a renewal ceremony—and the use of the obelisks in private tombs, all suggest resurrection as a kind of key idea behind the obelisks.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/egypt/mail/mail19990316.html
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