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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2007, 10:29:54 pm »

OBELISK IN FRONT OF THE QUIRINALE PALACE
FORMER ROYAL RESIDENCE
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2007, 10:34:29 pm »


OBELISK OF THE ESQUILINO SQUARE
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2007, 10:47:33 pm »


OBELISK 'DOGALI'
MONUMENT TO THE FALLEN
IN FOREIGN WARS
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2007, 10:51:21 pm »


OBELISK AT THE PINCIO
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2007, 10:55:41 pm »


OBELISK OF VILLA CELIMONTANA
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2007, 11:06:31 pm »


OBELISK OF THE SPANISH STEPS
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2007, 11:09:50 pm »


THE SMALLEST OF ROME'S OBELISKS IS NICKNAMED
"MINERVA'S CHICK".  IT IS LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE
TEMPLE OF MINERVA (GREEK ATHENA), WHICH HAS BEEN
APPROPRIATED BY THE CHURCH AND TURNED INTO A
CHRISTIAN PLACE OF WORSHIP.
THE MARBLE ELEPHANT ON WHICH IT RESTS WAS
SCULPTED BY BERNINI.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2007, 02:59:20 pm »



AS CAN BE SEEN HERE, 'MINERVA'S CHICK' IS AT THE BACK
OF THE PANTHEON
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2007, 03:07:43 pm »



ANOTHER VIEW OF 'MINERVA'S CHICK' WITH THE FORMER TEMPLE OF MINERVA
IN THE BACKGROUND.  NOW CALLED 'SANTA MARIA SOPRA MINERVA'.
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2007, 04:02:20 pm »

 Smiley  The sacred poles that were worshiped?  Are these the poles?  If standing stones are the acupuncture of the living earth, then surely these are the needles.   Cool
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2007, 04:38:09 pm »





Gee, Sungate, I hate to sound crass, but obelisks to me always represented  phallic

symbols and nothing more = males not certain of their manhood trying to convince

the world otherwise.....
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2007, 08:36:18 pm »

B, In Hatshepsut's case they would certainly be substitutes, being a female Pharoah....

Hatshepsut's Obelisks....



Just within the gate to either side of the interior of the fourth pylon are Osirian Pillars. These are fitted into niches and those to the north probably wore the Red Crown, while those to the south wear the white crown.  Within this small asymmetrical area we find to the north (left) the obelisk of Hatshepsut, which dominates this area of the temple. North of this obelisk are two rows of three columns each. At one point, there was a complimentary obelisk to the south (right), but that is now gone. South of that obelisk were two rows of four columns each.

 This pair of obelisks was produced from granite on the island Sehel at Aswan under the supervision of the steward Amen-hotep. Their transport by ship and the **** of both obelisks at Karnak is shown in detail in the so-called "Hall of O" in the first portico of the temple of Hatshepsut at Deir el-Bahari. A relief in her Red Chapel also provides a report about the donation of these two obelisks.

The standing, northern obelisk of Hatshepsutt must be considered one of the most famous single monuments within the whole of the Karnak complex. Originally, she erected four obelisks at Karnak, but only this one remains. However, at approximately 29.56 meters tall, it is the largest standing obelisk in Egypt. Built of red granite, it weighs some 323 tons (note that various figures are given by different sources for the obelisk's height and weight). The bottom part of the obelisk has a slightly different tint than the top, because it had been walled up by her successor, Tuthmosis III.

On its base are thirty-two horizontal lines of hieroglyphs, eight lines to each side, that describe why she had constructed this obelisk. The inscription reads in part:

"I was sitting in the palace and I remembered the One who created me; my heart directed me to make for him two obelisks of electrum [a natural alloy of gold and silver], that their pyramidions might mingle with the sky amid the august pillared hall between the great pylons of [Tuthmosis I].... My Majesty began to work on them in the year 15, the second month of Winter, 1st day, continuing until Year 16, fourth month of Summer, 30th day, spending 7 months in cutting it from the mountain....  I acted for him with a straightforward heart, as a king does for any god... Let not anyone who hears this say it is boasting which I have said, but rather say, 'How like her it is, she who is truthful to her father.' The god knows it in me [namely] Amun, Lord of the Thrones of the Two Lands.... I am his daughter in very truth, who glorifies him."

To a significant degree, historians owe what little they know of obelisk raising from archaic sources to this inscription.

All four sides of the obelisk are carved with a central column of inscriptions and, on the upper half, eight tableaux on which the king (in Egypt, the female ruler was not termed a queen, but a king), is directed toward Amun going from the northwest corner towards the southeast corner. On the north face, the central inscription begins with Hatshepsut's titles, including the Horus, the Two Goddesses and the Golden Horus names:

"Horus 'Powerful of Kas', the Two Ladies 'Flourishing of Years', Golden Horus 'Divine of Appearances', King of Upper and Lower Egypt and Lord of the Two Lands 'Maat-Ka-Ra'. Her father Amun had established her great name 'Maat-Ka-Ra' on the Ished tree, her annals are million of years, duration and power, son of Ra 'Hatshepsut, unified with Amun', beloved of Amun-Ra, King of the Gods, as [reward for this good, enduring and excellent monument], that she had donated to him (at the occasion) of the first royal jubilee ( sed festival). May she live forever."

On the west side, after the same title, the text reads:

"Horus 'Powerful of Kas', the Two Ladies 'Flourishing of Years', Golden Horus 'Divine of Appearances', King of Upper and Lower Egypt and Lord of the Two Lands 'Maat-Ka-Ra'. She made (it) as her monument for her father Amun, Lord of the Throne of the Two Lands, erecting for him two large obelisks at the great gate [Pylon) 'Amun is Great in-Terror', wrought with very much electrum, which illuminates the Two Lands like the sun. Never was the like made on earth since the beginning. It was done for him (Amun) by the sun of Ra 'Hatshepsut, unified with Amun', may she live forever like Ra.

Hence, Hatshepsut specifies that these obelisks were intended to be erected in front of the fifth pylon. On the east facade of the obelisk, her title includes only the Horus name and she affirms that the building of these obelisks was for her father:

"Horus 'Powerful of Kas', King of Upper and Lower Egypt 'Maat-Ka-Ra', beloved of Amun-Ra. Her majesty has made the name of her father established on this enduring monument, so that the King of Upper and Lower Egypt and Lord of the Two Lands 'Aa-kheper-ka-Ra' ( Thutmosis I) will be praised by the majesty of this god, when the two great obelisks were erected by her majesty on the first time ( of her royal jubilee). The King of Gods (Amun) said: 'Your (fem.) father, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt "Aa-kheper-ka-Ra' had given the command to erect obelisks. Your (fem.) majesty will repeat the monuments. (So that) you may live forever."

The Southern facade likewise provides only Hatshepsut Horus' name as well, and reads:

"Horus 'Powerful of Kas', King of Upper and Lower Egypt 'Maat-Ka-Ra', brilliant emanation of Amun, whom he has caused to appear as king upon the throne of Horus 'Holy of Holiest'  of the Great House, whom the ennead of gods have brought up to be mistress of the circuit of the sun. They have united her with life, power and joy of the heart, the First of the Livings, son of Ra 'Hatshepsut, unified with Amun', beloved of Amun-Ra, King of the Gods, may he (Hatshepsut) live forever like Ra."



The upper part of the southern obelisk, broken into pieces, is mounted on concrete blocks in the proximity of the sacred lake. The base of Hatshepsut's missing southern obelisk is not without inscriptions. Like the northern standing obelisk, there are eight lines of inscriptions carved horizontally on its four sides. The text starts with the top line of the southern facade of the base with the titles of the queen and her recounting of the **** of two great obelisks made from southern (Aswan) granite on the occasion of her first renewal (sed-festival). It reads: "Two great obelisks of enduring granite of the South, (their) summits [pyramidions] being of electrum of the best of every country."

On the west side of the base, the queen affirms that she has acted under the command and supervision of Amun, recognizing his divinity. Hatshepsut implies that she has conceived of nothing without following his laws (of proportion) because her "heart was in sia (wisdom)". She affirms that "Karnak is the horizon on earth [the first appearance], the August Ascent of the beginning, the sacred eye of the All-Lord, the place of his heart".  On the north side of the base, after a long oath of faith where the queen affirms that her power over the earth is due to divine kindness and that she will descend into the amenti and exist "in eternity as an "Undying One", she specifies that these two obelisks were extracted from the mountains and erected in seven months, during the fifteenth year of her reign.

On the east side of the base, the queen recounts how, following her desire to embellish the obelisk, she measured the best electrum by the "hekat, more than the entire Two Lands had (ever) seen. The ignorant, like the wise, knoweth it".



Interestingly, the pyramidian of the second obelisk suffered more at the hands of Akhenaten than by Tuthmosis III. During the Amarna period, the electrum and the relief on it were mostly destroyed, but restored after Akhenaten's death by Seti I.

The wall that was built by Tuthmosis III around the Hatshepsut's obelisk stood as high as the third tableau. At the foot of this wall is a limestone column pedestal that is presumed to have originally supported a cedar column. To each side papyriform columns flank it. The rearmost of these two columns provides, above the floral decoration, a ring of three interesting lines of text. Here, Tuthmosis III recounts:

"My Majesty had raised four columns in addition to the two columns of the north end, a total of six columns wrought with electrum...in solid sandstone...[of which] the height is 31 cubits (a little over 16 meters) on the two sides of the august doorway."

Hence, the two northernmost columns in this court preserve the name of Tuthmosis I, while the four between them and the standing obelisk were erected by Tuthmosis III, if indeed there were several cedar columns in the north.

This section of the Temple of Amun is relatively small, but its importance should not be overlooked. While much of it is ruined, nevertheless it contains many fine reliefs and as noted above, is distinguished as the original entrance to the Temple of Ipet-Sut

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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2007, 01:19:57 pm »

 Smiley  Phallus?   Embarrassed  Ladies!   Roll Eyes  Is this why my wife loves horses so much?   Huh 

TAKEN FROM:

http://cc.usu.edu/~fath6/bible.htm


The Bible records some of the ritual practices among the Hebrews for worshipping the various baals (gods) and asherahs (goddesses) of the elohim pantheon. We know that as late as the seventh century BCE, that the people built "high places" [elevated altars] where children were sacrificed as burnt offerings to Baal (Jer 19:5;32:35), erected standing stones as sacred icons of Baal (2 Kgs 17:11),



Phallic symbols?  Perhaps quite to the contrary:

TAKEN FROM:

http://www.cresourcei.org/biblestudy/bbkings9.html

The pillars or sacred stones as they are variously translated were phallic symbols of Baal representing his sexual prowess. The Asherah poles or sacred poles were symbols of female fertility. They frequently had a large hole representing the **** of Baal's female consort.


I know that the Egyptian Obelisks were commemorative edifices, but still I wonder.  If you drew a line from where one Obelisk stood to the next, would they they lead along a straight path, as do the druid sites, and subsequently the Church steeples, in England?  Even the ones transplanted to Rome, could they be traced on a map to indicate a straight path?  Something else to research, I guess.   Wink
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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2007, 01:44:43 pm »

          

            MAP OF OBELISKS IN THE CITY OF ROME




Not the ones transplanted in Rome, Sungate.
 
You are steeped into the "Celtic Thinking"......

My mindset is totally "Greco/Roman", so I'll stick to my 'phallic' opinion.



Rather,  try to think the way they did then: 

S E V E N   H I L L S - so they are in a circle around the city of Rome.
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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2007, 02:33:55 pm »

 Cheesy   LOL, okay, I guess not!   Tongue  How about you, Rock'.  Do you have a map of the ones in Egypt?, LOL.   Roll Eyes
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