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How Can The Sciences Be So Sure of Their History?

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« on: August 09, 2015, 03:32:58 am »

What is it that people are so sure of what happend and at what date it happened, for example. the proof of dinosaurs. Why is it, that it is seems commonly accepted that they are extinct for a long time.
What is it that excludes the possibiilty that they lived/live in the same age as humans.

And how can they be sure of the age of animal species? its all theories right?

Another thing is the fact that life on earth needs water, that doesn't mean that, if there is life on other planets, they need water as well.
Perhaps this has to do with inductive reasoning, but if we are exploring the galaxy perhaps we stay more open minded??

And how can they know how old a planet is, even if they have never been there?

shouldn`t we be more carefull with making assumptions as well?
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2015, 03:39:04 am »

To start with, history refers to the time when record keeping was invented, so it is very doubtful that any dinos fall in there.   We are pretty sure when record keeping started, and that would be around 3500 BC. At the time nobody wrote anything about no dinos 'cause there were none. Before that the time is referred at as Prehistory. 

Then there is a totally different scientific discipline called paleontology, and most they do is study old bones or the impressions left in a rock by old bones and the circumstances they were found under. While the beginning was pretty crude and nobody attributed the age of anything beyond 2500 BC (because the preachers said that at the time the great flood happened,so nuffin much could be older). The problem is that the better the study of other disciplines advanced it was discovered that that time line was pretty illusory, because at least the rocks had to be a little older than that. And then they found vestiges of animals in these much older rocks and discovered that well, the preach may say that the world started in on the 7th of August 4000 BC at 16:30 in the afternoon (Eastern Time) but that would be pretty far away from the reality. 

So they started checking sedimentation patterns, as they had seen that rivers, streams and lakes create a new layer of sud every year or dig out a little more of the rocks every year (like the great canyon), and by making a cut they could identify them very much like year rings on a tree. With that it was discovered that certain rock formations (sand stone, lime stone, and so on) correspond to a certain geological age.  It was not a very precise method of dating (and still is not) but we can say that if a rock formation is 200,000 years old and in it we find a bone of a certain animal not found in formations 100,000 years old, we can say that the animal lived more than 100,000 years ago. In the case of the dinos we find fossils (which are not bones as some claim in their ignorance but rocks that took over many years the form of the original bones and sometimes the form of the original animal) in formations older than 65 million years.

So far the oldest human remains that were found is in formations 195,000 years old. That makes it (at the present level of knowledge) pretty much unlikely that some human would have ridden on the back of a Brontosaurus, in fact 64,850,000 years unlikely.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2015, 03:41:34 am »

We can also trace human evolution back, noting the changes and evolution of the human.  Past a certain point, there isn't really a "human".

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2015, 03:43:44 am »

On top of which genetics supports the earliest existance of anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens - US) to c.200,000 BP. Which again is a far cry from 65,000,000 years BP. When multiple scientific disciplines are pretty much saying the same thing then the idea of dinosaurs and humans co-existing can be ruled out.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2015, 03:46:32 am »

It is all theories (theories are not guesses or assumptions or just ideas) supported by massive amounts of facts. Thousands of scientists who spend their entire lives studying and researching paleontology and archaeology agree. Modern man first arrived around 200,000 years ago. Even the oldest known hominid (but not true humans) is around 4.4 million years old. It is known by fossil records that the last dinosaur alive on this planet died around 65 million years ago. Reiteration, I know, but I think it bears repeating. Personally, I am willing to accept the opinion of those scientists.

Without water, how would blood flow, how would a body get nutrients and minerals to all parts of a body? There has to be some fluid present. Water is the most prevalent fluid in the universe, and as such, logic dictates that all organisms would need it. 

  If you really look into it, I think you will find that mainstream scientists are much more open minded than the fringe. Real scientists use phrase such as " we think this means that..." or " the evidence seems to show...". It is the fringe that says things like " this can only mean..." or " obviously the only answer is...".
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2015, 03:47:16 am »

Theoretically organisms could work on anything as long as the product is a temperature differential (or also called energy). The point is that if such an organism would be found we would hardly call it "human", as those are pretty much carbon based.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2015, 03:49:20 am »

I will give my opinion about what I underlined in your post because it has not been addressed yet, and.... because I have the same 'feeling' about it as you do.

I think you are right: we only know about life and life-forms from this planet we live on. It may very well be possible that life-forms on other planets need some other abundant molecule - like water here - to be able to live.

Could be anything we have not yet thought of, like ammonia, hydrogen-cyanide, whatever.

The life-form may look so alien to us that we won't even be able to recognize it as something living.

Its metabolism may be so slow it would look like some dead rock/thing to us.

Scientists are looking for hydrocarbons, water and oxygen, because that is what life on earth needs and is built on.

They have no ideas yet to look for other chemicals that might indicate the presence of life.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2015, 03:55:27 am »

From what I've read humans were here long before the dinosaurs and there has been evidence of that but for whatever reason mainstream science refuses to acknowledge this, http://www.delusionresistance.org/creation/antedeluvian_finds.html

there has been huge amounts of findings of foot prints embedded into rock millions of years old some mixed with dinosaurs and shoe imprints with evidence of double stitching on sandals. of course these are on the internet but it would be great if The ancient Astronaut show would have an investigation into these finds along with the people who has these items. it the writers are running out of ideas for the boys to investigate
then this would be the new direction. another would be the claims that giant skeletons have been found all around the world some have been shown on You Tube but another target for Ancient Astronauts to look into would be these reports of farmers and armature archeologists unearthing giant human bones.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2015, 03:59:15 am »

Around the entire earth is a layer of iridium. Iridium is very rare here on earth, but a common ingredient of meteors. From this, it is logical that an iridium laden meteor crashed into the earth, exploded and spread a cloud of dust all around the earth. Below this layer we find fossils of dinosaurs, above it, none. This layer is about 65 million years old. The oldest hominid bone that has ever been found is 4.4 million years old. These were not humans, as they did not come along until about 200,000 years ago. In order for humans to have existed during the time of the dinosaurs, thousands ( dare I say tens of thousands?) of scientists who dedicate their lives to studying these exact things would have to be wrong, and a handful of fringe writers and charlatans ( not scientists ) are correct. There is a very good reason mainstream scientists refuse to acknowledge it; it is untrue. Why would anyone beleive the word of a very few non-scientists using mis-leading information as well as outright lies and think that all of the real scientists who, through their own independant research have come to the same conclusion are wrong?
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2015, 04:06:15 am »

These artifacts speak for themselves, if dinosaur footprints are found and there are human footprints crossing it how can that kind of discovery be faked ? some of these finds have been burred deep in the earth and fossilized, and this meteorite theory of it killing all the dinosaurs is pure rubbish, just one more way to explain away something that puzzled us for decades, instead of one gigantic meteorite how about many smaller ones falling and over time these deposits built up. these discoveries will remain a mystery by the very people who would be hurt reputation wise if the news ever got out supported by evidence we were lied to all these years that man has walked on earth a lot longer than thought maby even alongside dinosaurs, the day will come when people will say " see ? I told you so".
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2015, 04:06:16 am »

These artifacts speak for themselves, if dinosaur footprints are found and there are human footprints crossing it how can that kind of discovery be faked ? some of these finds have been burred deep in the earth and fossilized, and this meteorite theory of it killing all the dinosaurs is pure rubbish, just one more way to explain away something that puzzled us for decades, instead of one gigantic meteorite how about many smaller ones falling and over time these deposits built up. these discoveries will remain a mystery by the very people who would be hurt reputation wise if the news ever got out supported by evidence we were lied to all these years that man has walked on earth a lot longer than thought maby even alongside dinosaurs, the day will come when people will say " see ? I told you so".
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2015, 04:09:01 am »

Has it occurred to you that perhaps these mysteries are not, actually, mysteries?

That they have been explained?  That some have indeed been fakes, some genuine mistakes, and some not even real (as in made up whole cloth)?

You can assume that everything you have been told is true, and from that comfortable position proceed to declare that everyone who does not believe what you believe is wrong...but aren't you a little uncomfortable with just being a blind believer in what other people tell you?
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2015, 04:22:47 am »

Yeh, in fact they found "footprints"on a "billion years old rock" that was under water then....

As long as you can explain it without recurring to any "ancient astronauts" you are more likely to be right.

The whole universe started to exist at more or less the same time. If you take the physical processes required to form a planet,that the conditions are right to have life on that planet and that this life evolves into something nearing anything that resembles a civilization the differences between planet and planet are pretty small. So while a other civilization might have made it to this planet ten thousand years ago, assuming the same for 65,000,000 years ago is going slightly overboard. Your safest bet is that 65,000,000 years ago there was no civilization anywhere in this universe so nothing "intelligent", if we discount an ever-existing being, could have put his foot here.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2015, 04:25:28 am »

There are giant footprints found.
If there are footprints found crossing dinosaurs as well than it could be some proof.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2015, 04:26:48 am »

Evolution is a theory and there is no way of proving how it all really happened from the creation (apparition) of the first living entity up to what we see today.

Just look at DNA, which is the basis of all life and the most fundamental aspect of evolution. We only really have mapped and understood 3% of it (human DNA). Now many will say the remaining 97% is simply "junk" or evolution leftovers. I do not at all beleive that and same for many biologists that are able to think "ouside the box".

As far as history is concerned, I have the true feeling that what we are told is full of crap. To understand this, I would need to elaborate quite a bit but will only do so if asked and feel like it.
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