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« on: May 30, 2015, 02:31:49 am »

Sub discovers signs of legendary Atlantis
Japan agency finds unique granite mass off Brazil coast

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RIO DE JANEIRO – A large mass of granite has been found on the seabed off the coast of Rio de Janeiro, suggesting a continent may have existed in the Atlantic Ocean, the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology and the Brazilian government announced.

A Brazilian official said the discovery of the granite — which normally forms only on dry land — is strong evidence that a continent used to exist in the area where the legendary island of Atlantis, mentioned in antiquity by Plato in his philosophical dialogues, was supposedly located.

According to legend, the island, host to a highly developed civilization, sunk into the sea around 12,000 years ago. No trace of it has ever been found.

The finding was made using a Shinkai 6500 manned submersible operated by the Japanese agency. The seabed where the granite mass was discovered is estimated to have sunk into the sea several tens of million years ago. No man-made structures have been found there.

It is the first time such research using a manned submersible has been conducted in the South Atlantic. In late April, the agency used the device to explore the Rio Grande Rise, a seabed more than 1,000 km southeast of Rio de Janeiro. At a depth of 910 meters, it found a rock cliff around 10 meters in height and breadth.

After analyzing video data, the agency concluded it was granite. Also discovered in the area around it was a large volume of quartz sand — which is also not formed in the sea. The bedrock is believed to consist mainly of basalt rock.

The rise itself stretches around 1,000 km at the widest point, and is considered part of the continent left behind when South America and Africa split apart more than 100 million years ago. The agency said it assumes the area was above sea level until about 50 million years ago but became submerged over a period spanning several million years, based on fossils found in the nearby seabed and other data.

According to the agency, the Rio Grande Rise is the only plausible area that could possibly have been dry land in the past.

Despite the latest discovery, however, experts remained cautious about jumping to conclusions about Atlantis.

Shinichi Kawakami, a professor at Gifu University versed in planetary sciences, said the granite could have been a part of a big continent before it separated into what is now Africa and South America.

“South America and Africa used to be a huge, unified continent. The area in question may have been left in water as the continent was separated in line with the movements of plates,” he said.

Kawakami said researchers must look further into the composition of the granite and see if it matches the granite now found in Africa or South America.

“The concept of Atlantis came way before geology of the modern age was established. We should not jump to the Atlantis (conclusion) right away,” he said.
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2015, 02:33:02 am »



In search for lost world: A Shinkai 6500 manned submersible belonging to the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology probes the seabed off the coast of Rio de Janeiro on April 30. | JAPAN AGENCY FOR MARINE-EARTH SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY/KYODO
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2015, 02:34:18 am »

How signs of a ‘lost continent’ came into JAMSTEC’s underwater view
by Masaaki Kameda

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    May 10, 2013
   

The Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology and the Brazilian government recently announced the discovery of a large mass of granite on the seafloor off Rio de Janeiro — a landmark finding that suggests a continent may have once existed there because granite normally forms only on dry land.

Experts say it’s far too early to conclude this is evidence that the legendary island of Atlantis existed. This is because the seabed where the granite mass was found is estimated to have sunk into the sea several tens of millions of years ago, much earlier than legend has the island disappearing beneath the sea.

But how did the Japanese agency get involved in this intriguing discovery in the first place? Following are some facts regarding the organization and its activities:

What is the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology?

Headquartered in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, the agency conducts research and development in marine sciences.

Formerly known as the Japan Marine Science and Technology Center, JAMSTEC was launched in April 2004 as an independent administrative agency administered by the Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry.

What was JAMSTEC doing off the east coast of Brazil?

The agency sent a mission to the area as part of its one-year around-the-world voyage project dubbed “QUELLE2013,” which stands for Quest for the Limit of Life. “Quelle” also means “roots” or “origin” in German.

The yearlong mission involves exploring hydrothermal vent fields, submarine seepage sites, deep-sea trenches and other extreme environments to explore the habitable limits of life and its unique survival strategies.

They set out Jan. 5 on the support vessel Yokosuka, heading for the Indian Ocean, the South Atlantic, the Caribbean Sea and the South Pacific Ocean.

So was it just happenstance that JAMSTEC was involved in the recent discovery?

According to a JAMSTEC official, the finding was “not totally a coincidence.”

They had been aware that Brazilian scientists had collected what appeared to be granite in the area, but it remained a mystery whether the granite was intrinsic or whether it had been dropped by ships passing through, the official said.

The discovery was made by a deep-submergence vehicle called the Shinkai 6500, owned by the agency. One researcher who had been aboard the sub was quoted by the official as saying they were admittedly “somewhat skeptical about granite being there.”

What is the Shinkai 6500?

The submersible was developed “to study seafloor topography and geology and research deep-sea organisms” in the sea not only around Japan but in the oceans around the world.

As the name implies, the Shinkai 6500 can dive to depths of up to 6,500 meters with two pilots and one researcher aboard. It entered service in 1991 and had made 1,300 dives as of 2012.

During the round-the-world project, the manned submersible is to be in the Caribbean Sea from June to August. After temporarily returning to Japan for a battery replacement from August to September, it is scheduled to travel to the Tonga and Kermadec trenches in the South Pacific and to finish the journey in December.

What other kinds of research does the agency conduct?

It has several institutes and projects. For example, the Research Institute for Global Change observes, analyzes and predicts global environmental changes, while the Institute for Research on Earth Evolution explores the interior of the Earth to develop a comprehensive understanding of our planet.

The agency has also set up a project to do research on earthquakes and tsunami for disaster prevention.

Who heads the agency, and how big is it?

The president is Asahiko Taira, a former chairman of the Geological Society of Japan. Taira, whose field of research includes marine geology and plate tectonics, received the Japan Academy Prize in 2007 for research on the formation of the Japanese archipelago.

The agency has a staff of 1,055, including 383 researchers. The initial budget for the current fiscal year stands at ¥40.2 billion.

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2015, 01:56:43 pm »

Except it is too old to be Plato's Atlantis, unless it has been misdated.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2015, 10:27:54 am »

Except it is too old to be Plato's Atlantis, unless it has been misdated.

Has anyone, those of you that have studied Plato intimately, gotten a feeling/intuition that Plato's account of Atlantis is something more, much more than "meets the eye?" About something relating to the Supernatural; meaning God? With this hypothesis in mind (the mind's eye that is), what if Atlantis is not in the past?
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2015, 04:20:21 pm »

Which god? The Greeks believed in quite a few of them. Are you saying the Plato could see into the future?
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2015, 06:23:36 pm »

Which god? The Greeks believed in quite a few of them. Are you saying the Plato could see into the future?

The official state religion of the Greeks does point to a multitude of Gods, Demi-Gods, and so on. It's referred to by us as "Greek Mythology." And Plato's Atlantis does refer to them, obviously, especially Poseidon, as any Atlantis buff ought to know. That is, precisely, the "myth" in the tale. However, it's obvious that you are not intimately, familiar with Plato, nor with the early Christian Fathers and the Platonists, and Neo-Platonists. Upon careful study of those sources, it becomes obvious that Plato/Socrates believed in only one God; the Father of all humans, and Creator of everything. The first section of the Timaeus makes this very clear.

Atlantis can only be a myth, a very old and long lived legend, if sought in light of Greek Mythology. I mean, how can anyone, seriously seek to locate it when it's origin is attributed to a Mythological Greek God, Poseidon? Why! We have scientific men and means seeking a "legend" originating in mythology. The atheist scientific community has no tolerance for even one Hebrew/ Christian/Muslim God, let alone dozens of Greek gods. Then add all the discordance on time tables, locations, size, and lack of any scientific approved relics or artifacts or anything of such kind which can shed one ounce of evidence, and there you have it; pure myth. Anything anyone finds or points to, geologically, as remotely resembling Atlantis will always result inconclusive.

However, seek Atlantis as a "supernatural" account of something to come to light, then you, or anyone else seeking Atlantis has a chance of finding it. But not as a place or civilization named Atlantis. Not under the sea either. It will be something of a different name. Something representative of the tale, as written by Plato. But this hypothesis requires not only intimate knowledge of the cited sources above, but also a giant leap of faith that mandates all serious seekers to think way outside the box.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2015, 09:22:28 pm »

Not really sure what you are getting at. Sure, the Greeks had many gods but I am not sure how deeply they believed in any of them. Following the section on Atlantis in Timaeus, is Plato's vision of the universe (in fact, most of it is that). The odd thing is that much of it does seem to describe a monotheistic entity similar to the Christian deity. But very little of that relates to Atlantis. I don't believe that Atlantis was the same as the Garden of Eden, at least Plato does not describe it that way.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2015, 07:26:29 am »

The scientific community, (atheist or otherwise) reject the supernatural because it is not testable, observable or verifiable.  I have read the Timaeus and Critias a few times and researched early Christianity.  So I wouldn't make assumptions if I were you. Besides, the story of Atlantis is of Egyptian origin. So if you think about it, Poseidon was not the true patron god.
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Not really sure what you are getting at. Sure, the Greeks had many gods but I am not sure how deeply they believed in any of them. Following the section on Atlantis in Timaeus, is Plato's vision of the universe (in fact, most of it is that). The odd thing is that much of it does seem to describe a monotheistic entity similar to the Christian deity. But very little of that relates to Atlantis. I don't believe that Atlantis was the same as the Garden of Eden, at least Plato does not describe it that way.

The oddity is what I'm driving at. The Timaeus opens with the prelude of being/alluding to the continuation/association with the Republic dialogue, or at least with a very similar account of a utopian state/government that Socrates had discussed previously. Since the 4 guests, or rather 3 ((one is missing....who and why Plato makes him out missing? (this is another key/clue in solving the puzzle)) were to have hypothesized the ideal/utopian state described by Socrates in action at the most crucial point in the survival of a state, city or nation, which is during conflict with other cities/nations, and which naturally is when at war.  Atlantis arises in the story only as an empire meant to be an opponent, or rather, as a test for the ideal state described, which by some coincidence happens to be almost identical the "supposed" very ancient Athens only known about by the Egyptian priests, as told to Solon. At this point one has to consider the facts. There are not, anywhere in history, now as then, any historical or geological accounts of either ancient, ancient Athens or Atlantis. Since Egypt was to have been the source for the "truthfulness" as to the historical facts of both Atlantis and ancient Athens, it's worth noting that no such facts have ever been found anywhere in Egypt's monuments/temples and other archeological artifacts. Therefore Plato was the originating source. Back to the Timaeus. Take out the first couple pages of the Timaeus, (the Atlantis factor) and the rest is all about creation/religion, why? Consider that this is just one of the many oddities about the story. 

Some people speculate that Atlantis was some kind of terrestrial Eden. The Garden of Eden has nothing to do with Atlantis, as you correctly surmise.
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The scientific community, (atheist or otherwise) reject the supernatural because it is not testable, observable or verifiable.  I have read the Timaeus and Critias a few times and researched early Christianity.  So I wouldn't make assumptions if I were you. Besides, the story of Atlantis is of Egyptian origin. So if you think about it, Poseidon was not the true patron god.

The only assumption is that both Christianity and the Atlantis story seem to describe a monotheistic deity. This doesn't come from the Christians, both Judaism and the religion of Zorastrianism before it also had beliefs in a single deity. So, I am wondering, did the Greeks really believe in any of their gods or did they believe in something else, like Timaeus suggests..? I am thinking that we have some about the Egyptians and Greeks and their belief systems wrong.
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2015, 11:35:15 pm »

Except it is too old to be Plato's Atlantis, unless it has been misdated.

Has anyone, those of you that have studied Plato intimately, gotten a feeling/intuition that Plato's account of Atlantis is something more, much more than "meets the eye?" About something relating to the Supernatural; meaning God? With this hypothesis in mind (the mind's eye that is), what if Atlantis is not in the past?

I have always been a bit uncomfortable with the idea of Atlantis as a metaphor for something else. I don't believe Atlantis was some kind of a present mystery, there is too much circumstantial evidence of a civilization in the west, unacknowledged in ancient history, around the time Plato puts it. What do you think it was a metaphor for?
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2015, 12:39:53 am »

On the other hand, if Atlantis was in the Caribbean as the A.R.E. and Edgar Cayce suggest, than this would be the perfect place for it!
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