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« Reply #105 on: February 07, 2009, 09:18:37 am »

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SURE,........NO THING,

( But I hope that 'BIANCA' will exonerate this reply which is not on this Topic !)

However I am sure that the answer/elaboration that you asked for
will not be the one that you set your expectancy on.
So my effort to tell you will be a futile exercise !

I don't mind repeating my theory:
conserning the historical MOON- Fall(-s) to Earth.

The Pelgaskian Creation Myth
mentions that the MOON" Eurynome" bashed Mars' northern Ocean.

The marsfragments fell to Earth made Skidmarks and left the scene
Well known passing meteorites may be the renments of this meteoric encounter.

In the Saudi Desert meteoric-r craters are present with an average Diametre  of 100 m
These fell on Waterlakes in the former marshlands of the Rub-al- Chali desert(-s)

But the Pelgaskian Creation Myth describes the first observed-Moonfall .
When Earth's PANGEA was still intact and the meteoric Skidmarks were straight alined.

Later,after Gondwana, PANGEA fell apart, not because of Hotspot-convection but6 by the 1-st Moonfall
( on Antartica ) which caused the Seafloorspreading of the Atlantic Ocean the Date is 1055 bc.

200 years later occurred the Second MOONfall on Hawaii and this collision emptied all mountain-lakes
by paleo-geologists this Event is called the ( Great-)@Quarternary lake( Dam-) Burst of post Glacial time
supposedly in 8.000 bc but actually in 855 bc

If the Neolithic Period of Magdalien( in Europe.)was conventionally in 8.000 bc now it was in 855 bc
meaning that When the Egyptians enjoyed their 18-th Dynasty, Whole Europe( eg Franche)was still in the neolythic Epoch.

HOW do we know that the Moon ACTUALLY BRUISED EARTH TWICE ?

The Egyptian astronomers mention a Moonfall in 800 bc but did so 50 years after the Event !

The cause of all ancient Floods/or Tsunamies was a close passage of the MOON.
The MOON had an irratic Orbit passing by the Equator to cause Tsunamie EVERY YEAR
and a big one EVERY 50 Years.

Even today a grand Earthquake occurs every 50 years too long apart to be recognized as a recurrent  Patern.
1755 Lissabon .......1883 ...........Krakatau,.......... 1815 Tambora, 1906 San fransisco, 1925 Japan,  2004/5 the latest Asian Tsunami

The MOON was named the PHENIX in Latin, but PHAETHON or: ATON in Greek
thus ACH en ATON's " SUN " Disk was the Moon's Red-glowing winged Disk.

Anyway the Egyptians and greeks sought an exp[lanation Why earth was Destroyed by Tsunamies
They argued that the FIRE or Phenix- Bird scourced Earth every: 50(0)years to be" Reborn"from Ashes.

There is a recognizable pattern of 50-year cycle recurrent Tsunamies in greek Myth:
1255 Deluge of NOACH(= Sargon-1 of AGADES.)1075 Deluge of PHORONEUS, 1055 Deluge of DEUCALION
1005 Deluge of King DAVID(= Thotmosis-2)( he was given" Choice" between Long Famin or Short Plague( he chose the last .)
955 Deluge of ANDROMEDA( ex-wife of PERSEUS(= Thotmosis-3)
905 Deluge of Enki & Enlil, 855 Deluge of OGYGOS(= Amenhotep-3 + 4.)

The 1055 bc Event is named in GREEK: the TITANO- MACHY when ZEUS was cast or hidden in Earth's Dycte grotto( in Yemen -Ioman.)
The -855 bc Event is named: the GIGANTO- MACHY, when the MOON rose from the Sea as" Aphrodite or: " DIONE- Nyssos"

In 1055 bc Hera was displeased with her ugly offspring HEFAISTOS and casted him to Earth
in 855 bc ZEUS was displeased wityh his ugly son and re-casted him to Earth a second time.
The Isle of SAMOS claimed that Hephaistos landed on it and in gratitude created the Retsina Wine

Although Hephaistos was taken0-in again at the Olympus-Palace he was revence-full
and created a golden Chair for Hera( or: CASSIOPEIA.) that clasped her middle to the backseat.
And Zeus hinged golden Anvils to Hera's ankles.

Although or maybe because MARS was Hephaistos Uncle,
he too was kept prisoner for a while in Hephaistos gift of a Golden vase.

Meanwhile Hephaistos also had made the" NECKLAGE of Queen Sita Kamose
but Semenkare gave this to Hypsyhile to get her husband, Adrastus uncle ( forget name)
to participate in the TROJAN - War.

In the BIBLE/ Tora
the MOON- Fall is decribed as the
FALLEN - ANGEL !
This LIGHT Angel or LUCIPHER, Heosphorus, was named the " SPLENDOUR- of - ISRAEL "
He was the Prince of Light or Darkness afterwards. called BELIAL or BAAL/ Ballat presently: ALLAH !

DIABOLO, CAITAN/ Satan was the Licht Angel ARIEL,
afterwards called AZRAEL,  Azazel who's AVATAR was the Beast of the APOCALYPSE
 called BEHEMOTH(= the White holi- Elephant.)

In 855 bc King Salmanasser-3 besieged ADEN.
( He had wrested this  city from the Egyptians)
The City council of ADEN choosed this Date of year
because according to their MOON Chart a Grand Tsunami was due

That Tsunami did not fail to occur and the ASSYRIAN Army was washed away and the Siege was lifted !

However King Salmanasser-3was undaunted, he amounted another Siege in 853 bc
known as the " BATTLE -of- KARKAR( = ADEN as the " City -of- Cities ".)

This time the Tsunami- schedule was averted and ADEN fell to the Assyrians
in the Bible the Battle of KARKAR is said to have been in KARchemish (at the Orontes.)
But this is due to Eratosthenes " moving" the PILLARS to Gibraltar( by political expediency.)
causing the South Arabian Scene to " move-up" also to North- Araby.

Salmanasser-3 knew that the Atlantoii in Aden worshipped the Sea-Horse or White Elephant.
So he ordered this MOON-Avatar as TABOO meaning that every Icon of it to be removed on penalty of death.
Afterwards White holi Elephants were painted as winged Lions or Winged Snakes, to circumvent the taboo-penalty.

CONCLUSION:

MOON in greek Myth collided twice with Earth
( Causing the rise of Mountains: Andes & Hymalay by Seismic waves.

A TABOO decree by assyrian-Emperor Salmanasser-3 in 855 bc
caused these Events to be hidden or blurred in the rewritten Greek Lore after 855 bc.

If this is not the explanation that you were looking for,
it is because it is a " dissident -theory" only discovered by" BlueHue"
and discarded as" just another odd theory" by the other Atlantist theorists.

Sincerely" BlueHue " dd 7-th Febr. 2009  Polytech-Univ.of delft/ Holland.
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #106 on: February 07, 2009, 10:53:31 am »

BlueHue,

Thank you for taking the time to expand on this. I had seen your comments on the moon fall to earth before and did not have any point of reference to relate it to. Interesting.

ILAL

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« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2009, 01:54:31 pm »

By fragmentation of information the Greek accounts of the( 2 ) Moon-Fall(-s)has been overlooked.
First in 1055 bc Hera threw Hephaistos to Earth tio spite Zeus, thaan 200 years later:
Zeus trew Hephaistos again to Earth to spite Hera, but Hephaistos made her a golden Chair (that kept her seated)

The Myth of Hephaistos/ Vulcan says that " The MOON " because of it's recurrentEarth fall
now limps and in modern Jargon this is the" LIBATION-move of the Moon.

we in Europe seen the same MOON as in America -only- in Europe it is positioned upside down.
the wrong or gullible opinion of layman observants,  is often that this is a " Printing Error "

JUPITERS' Giant Red Spot
 is nearly alway printed upside down too so I cannot say off-hand
which is the right position: in Myth ATHENA was born from jupiter's forehead

but in reality the Giant red Spot should be  Jupiter's belly.
On the other hand, in order to see jupiter's giant red Spot on top instaed of the Plante's bottom
the Greek and egyptians must have used a( Newton-Type) Telescope there is no other ( save metaphoric!)explantion !

BlueHue,

Thank you for taking the time to expand on this. I had seen your comments on the moon fall to earth before and did not have any point of reference to relate it to. Interesting.

ILAL

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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #108 on: May 19, 2009, 11:57:58 am »




ORTELIUS WORLD MAP - 1570
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« Reply #109 on: May 22, 2009, 09:49:17 am »

COLUMBUS gave arabic names to America or " INDIA - NOVA
because he expected to land in ARABY which he thought was Atlantis.
Which was the home of ancient jews named Hebrews(= a derivation of: HYPER-boreans.)

Unfortunately America was thus discovered wholy by accident in 1500 ad
to make propaganda for SPAIN as a New-World power, FERDINAND-1 proclaimed
SPAIN( not America !) as the" original" Atlantis with the PILLARS at Gibraltar.

Forgetting that ERATOSTHENES had in: 250 bc moved these PILLARS to Gibraltar( from Aden/Bab al Mandab Strait.)

Sincerely " Blue Hue " dd may 22--2009
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #110 on: May 22, 2009, 10:14:20 am »






BLUE HUE:



YOU REALLY SCREWED UP THIS WHOLE SUBJECT, DIDN'T YOU?



JUST AS YOU HAD INTENTED, YOU DISGUSTING


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« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2009, 10:55:22 pm »



This map was made around 1693 by Vincenzo Maria Coronelli and situates Frisland to the east of Greenland.

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/01/12/62-frisland-an-italian-fabrication-in-the-north-atlantic/

The discovery of America was an Italian enterprise, but not to the credit of a Genoan named Columbus. In the 14th century, Venetian brothers Nicolo and Antonio Zeno sailed west on the Northern Atlantic, discovering places they called Frisland and Icaria (two islands near Greenland), Estotiland (on the North American mainland) and Drogio (an island close to the mainland, possibly Nova Scotia).

Or so it says in De I Commentarii del Viaggio, a 16th century account of their travels by Nicolo Zeno, one of their descendants. This latter-day Zeno claimed to have found a manuscript and a map, both made by his ancestors, in his proverbial attic. Nicolo the Younger had it published in 1558. At the time, it was generally believed to be a true account. A second version of the map was issued by fellow Venetian Giordano Ruscelli in 1561.

In 1569, Gerhard Mercator copied the Zeno map into his influential World Map. Abraham Ortelius did the same for his renowned map of the Northern Atlantic in 1573. In 1595, Mercator included Frisland (not to be confused with Friesland, which does exist on the North Sea coast of the Netherlands and Germany) in a separate inset on his 1595 map of the North Pole. Thus Frisland, and the other fanciful lands fabricated by the 16th century Zeno (most likely), came to be known as ‘fact’, and were copied by other cartographers, often with variations on the name such as Fixland, Freezeland or Frischlant. Only much later did it become clear they were imaginary.

But not before causing some real-world confusion for discoverers such as Martin Frobisher, who in 1576 reported seeing a ‘high and rugged land’, which according to Mercator’s map ought to be Frisland. Frobisher claimed Frisland for England, not realizing he probably saw the coast of Greenland.  The confusion continued when he explored Baffin Island – which Frobisher thought was Greenland. Accordingly, Frobisher’s Strait (which in fact is a bay) for many years was situated at the tip of Greenland instead of Baffin Island. Cartographers continued to include Frisland on maps of the North Atlantic as late as the 18th century. As imaginary places go, Frisland had quite some staying power – probably because it was confused with Greenland and/or the Faroer Islands.The question remains: who did the confusing? The older Zenos, their descendant, later cartographers and explorers? Or some of them? Or all of them?
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« Reply #112 on: September 08, 2009, 11:23:56 pm »

Beyond the shadow of a doubt
by Niven Sinclair

 

Introduction
I would like to turn to the "proofs" of the Sinclair voyage of 1398 to North America. Fourteen points will be offered, each based upon fact which I have carefully researched.

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Contingency plans
Before Henry Sinclair left on his voyage, he made certain dispositions of his lands to his brothers, John and David. He assigned the lands of Pentland to his brother John, whilst transferring the lands of Auchdale and Newburgh in Aberdeenshire to David.

To his eldest daughter, Elizabeth, who married Sir John Drummond of Cargill, he left his lands in Norway, provided he died without a male heir. This would suggest that he took his three sons with him on the voyage, as they were alive at the time and of an age when they would have been considered able to accompany a military or naval force.

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The Zeno Map
A map of the North Atlantic was drawn up by the Zeno brothers. In 1393, Henry Sinclair sent Nicolo Zeno to carry out a survey of Greenland. Nicolo returned to Orkney in 1395, where he died from prolonged exposure to the Arctic weather. He was succeeded as Henry's admiral by his brother, Antonio Zeno.

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Accuracy attested & confirmed
For the next several centuries, the Zeno Map was used by such well-known cartographers as Ruscelli (1561), Mercator (1569) and Ortelius (1574). And even subsequent maps made by Hondius (1597), Danckwertz, Corneille, and Tevernier (1628), and Bellini (1765) were, save for the orientation, inferior to the Zeno map. The authority for this statement is from Professor Hobbs of Michigan University.

The so-called Zeno Map had been compared by Professor Hapgood to an aerial survey of Greenland, carried out recently by the United States Air Force. Professor Hapgood found 37 points of identity with the Zeno Map. This is an incredible degree of accuracy.

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The Zeno Narrative
In the Words of Professor Taylor of London University, "The authenticity of the Zeno account has been challenged, but on very flimsy grounds. It appears to the present writer (Prof. Taylor) that it would be quite out of the question for any author to invent a story which in every detail reflects fact about which it would be quite impossible for him to have been aware. Such is the story of Markland, which Antonio Zeno, then in the Faeroes, sent back to his brother Carlo in Venice and which a descendant edited and published in 1558. The later Zeno was personally known to Ramusio, the great authority of his day on voyages and discoveries, whom he could have hardly have deceived."

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Zeno had never been to Rosslyn
The Zeno Narrative speaks of the "spring of pitch" which the reconnaissance party of 100 soldiers found at Stellarton and which they reported back to Prince Henry at Guysborough, both places in Nova Scotia. On hearing this, Prince Henry considered it was "good omen" because there was a similar "spring of pitch" at his home at Rosslyn in Scotland. The "pitch" had been used as medicine against the Black Death. It is reputed to have saved the Sinclairs from the scourges of that particular plague, so much so that they erected a shrine over its site.

Now this story is faithfully recounted in the Zeno Narrative, although Antonio Zeno had never been to Rosslyn. In other words, he could only have heard of the "spring of pitch" of Rosslyn from Henry as they both stood listening to the report of the returning soldiers in Nova Scotia.

Incidentally, the number of men Henry sent out was 100. Those of us who have been in the army will know that if you can afford to send out a reconnaissance party of this size, the base camp must have comprised many times that number.

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My personal inspection
I have visited all these places where Prince Henry is understood to have visited. You could too. If I had to describe the places visited, my description would have been almost identical to the words used in the Zeno Narrative.

http://www.clansinclaircanada.ca/articles/beyond.htm#map
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« Reply #113 on: September 09, 2009, 09:36:33 am »

Here's a site with a bit about the Zeno Narrative

http://mastermason.com/WallerLodge/zeno.htm
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« Reply #114 on: September 25, 2010, 02:50:51 am »

Excellent topic!
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