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« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2007, 09:43:29 pm »

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« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2007, 08:50:18 pm »

Map Fuels Debate: Did Chinese Sail to New World First?
By Heather Whipps, Special to LiveScience


posted: 06 February 2006 08:37 am ET



 
The controversial Chinese map argued by some to be from 1418. Credit: 1421.tv



Tattered and rusty orange, a map recently unfurled in Beijing has reignited an international war of words over who reached the New World first.
China is the latest to throw its sailor hat into the ring, but it won't likely be the last in this long-running, hotly contested debate.
The Chinese voyage to America theory was popularized by British amateur historian Gavin Menzies in his 2002 book entitled "1421: the Year China Discovered America." The controversial, bestselling work claims that Chinese admiral Zheng He reached the Americas more than 70 years prior to Christopher Columbus' famous voyage.
After reading "1421," Liu Gang, a Chinese lawyer, realized the potential significance of a map he'd purchased for his private collection. Dated 1418 and clearly depicting the outlines of both North and South America, the map could be used to support Menzies' theory if it proves legitimate.
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Liu unveiled his map at a packed press conference in Beijing on Jan. 16.
Despite arousing immediate international interest, the map was quickly dismissed by many historians as an outright forgery.
"Scholars who know this field have refuted this claim under no uncertain terms," Sally K. Church, Fellow at the University of Cambridge, told LiveScience.
Geoff Wade, Senior Research Fellow at the University of Singapore's Asia Research Institute, echoed her sentiment. "The map is an 18th-century copy of a European map, as evidenced by the two hemispheres depicted, the continents shown and the non-maritime detailed [sic] depicted," he wrote recently to a group of maritime scholars.
In the other camp, Menzies is supporting Liu and the 1418 map with fervor. His key reasoning, forwarded by email from a member of his staff, is that "every continent, ocean, land, island, river shown on the 1418 map also appears on other Chinese maps of the same date or earlier. There is nothing new on the 1418 map-it simply combines everything on one sheet of paper," he said.
Menzies also points to a Portuguese map of the Americas dating from 1419 whose mistakes-like the drawing of California as an island-are thought to have been copied from cartographic errors made by the Chinese.
"In 1419 European voyages of exploration had not started. If the 1418 map is a forgery, then the 1419 map must be as well. How do you forge something yet to be discovered," Menzies reasoned.
British magazine The Economist recently printed an article about Liu's prized possession, quoting both supporters and detractors of Menzies' beliefs.
In a letter written to The Economist and provided to LiveScience, Wade, the critic of the map from the Asia Research Institute, urged its editor to print a retraction.
"That your writer has contributed to the Menzies' bandwagon and continuing deception of the public is saddening," Wade wrote. "The support mentioned all comes from Mr. Menzies' band of acolytes and the claims have no academic support whatsoever. Your writer has been taken in by Mr. Menzies and you do have a social responsibility to rectify this."
Other claims
The Chinese map controversy can be added to a growing database of claims for pre-Columbian discovery of the Americas.
According to some scholars, it was Scottish Earl Sir Henry Sinclair of Orkney who first touched American land in 1397, on one of many voyages the sailor undertook with Italian partner Nicolo Zeno. Another controversial map drawn by Zeno himself is thought to outline the coasts of Nova Scotia.
Supporters of this theory offer as evidence Sinclair's known contact with nearby Viking lords, whose ancestors unequivocally did reach North America centuries prior to any other Europeans-a feat that's often forgotten in the mix.
For now, a rewrite of the history books is unnecessary, according to Wade. "There is no need to rewrite anything except the history of 21st-century charlatans," he said.


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« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2007, 10:42:50 am »

A question - posted somewhere else by someone else:

If the ancient maps, eg. Piri Reis, can show the Antarctic without it's ice cover, which I assume happened gradually, until around 10,000 years ago, it was completely covered, then why don't the maps show the location of Atlantis? 

Scientists say that the Antarctic has been covered in ice for about 10,000 years.  That didn't happen over night, so let's say it took a few thousand years for the ice to cover the land mass.  A few thousand years before 10,000 years ago, Atlantis supposedly still existed.  She should be on the map also.
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« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2007, 08:38:09 pm »

A question - posted somewhere else by someone else:

If the ancient maps, eg. Piri Reis, can show the Antarctic without it's ice cover, which I assume happened gradually, until around 10,000 years ago, it was completely covered, then why don't the maps show the location of Atlantis? 

Scientists say that the Antarctic has been covered in ice for about 10,000 years.  That didn't happen over night, so let's say it took a few thousand years for the ice to cover the land mass.  A few thousand years before 10,000 years ago, Atlantis supposedly still existed.  She should be on the map also.

Did people from before an ice age exist in Antartica?
For that matter. Were they even making maps of the world that far back?

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« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2007, 01:21:07 am »

I don't know if anyone existed in the Antarctica before the ice age, but the Piri Reis map shows it, so how did he know it was there?  He said he was copying even older, ancient maps.l
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« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2007, 09:54:28 am »


HERODOTUS' MAP - RECONSTRUCTION
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« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2007, 01:44:06 am »

It looks to me like he is not drawing this from experience or even from an earlier map.  He was a well travelled man as well as a well educated one, and it's hard to believe he drew this for any scientific purpose.  If so, then is wasn't as knowledgeable as he is given credit for.  In the map above, he places the Red Sea below what he thinks is Africa.  In Wikipedia, (type in Herodotus and click on the first title) the map shows that area as the Erythean sea, and the sea more to the west, he called the Austral Sea.  If he knew that the Phoecian sailors had the sun to the right while sailing westwards, as they circumnavigated Africa, he should have known Africa was a whole lot bigger than he drew it. 

Which one of the words on that map means 'Asia"? 
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« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2007, 07:48:03 am »



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A S I A  is written on the bottom of the map in large letters just above Ethiopians and spanning

the Arabian gulf into Arabia and ends just below Persians.  Can you see it now?

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« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2007, 10:19:04 am »

Thanks B.  I didn't notice it there Cheesy  Couldn't see the forest for the trees!  Gees, now my fingers are going dyslexic too.  They keep typing the words wrong!
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« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2007, 11:43:12 am »





ROTFLMAO, Q.!

I have days like that all the time!!!

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« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2007, 02:05:19 pm »








Name: Agnese World Map

Creator: Battista Agnese
Year: 1544


Description:  This world map in oval projection shows the route of Magellan's circumnavigation and the

 Spain-Peru trade route via Panama. 12 Cherubs represent the classical wind directions. 
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« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2007, 02:12:02 pm »






Name: WORLD
 
Creator: Forlani,Paola -Italy
Year: 1565
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« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2007, 02:33:03 pm »








Name: Waldseemuller



Creator: Waldseemuller Martin
Year: 1507





Description:  The pictures of Ptolemy in the upper left and Amerigo Vespucci in the upper right lead some to theorize This map is the first time that the name "America" was ever used and was named for Vespucci's 1497 voyage which is believed to be the first time that anyone actually set foot on American soil.  The belief in a new continent was a radical idea at the time. Vespucci may have collaborated with Martin Waldseemuller and Matthias "Philesius" Ringmann on this map.


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« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2007, 03:04:27 pm »



 Athanasius Kircher's map (1669).
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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2007, 02:25:03 pm »

THANK You ,  BIANCA, for this link to the NAUTICA OLD WORLD printing website !

 Smiley These " Thumbsize "  reprints cannot be enllarged from the specimen page !  to read the fine print but that is logical. I will have to search for a full size of the Waldseemuller map elsewhere, particulrly the south Arabian region is intresting to me and east Africa because the ancient name for Atlantis ATHE is featured above the Placename Ras- ADEN, and in present Erytrea on the Waldeemuller map the words LYBIA svb sive AEGYPTO appears as my" PROOF " that ancient Lybia ( of Plato !0 was in East-Africa and not in North-Africa which was named MAURETANIA around 1500 ad and NOT " Lybia" .  GOOD WORK  Bianca, keep it up !

Sincerely "  BlueHue " dd. 3 Dec 2007.   Cry

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" Isle of Atlantidis"  it says, on this Frontispice
  from the " Mundus subterraneus " from Kircher printed in Amsterdam in 1669-reprinted 1680 .
THIS is the very CAUSE why all Atlantologists are misguided by the Name Atlantis.

INSULA - ATLANTIDIS is not a GEO-NAME, it is a possesional PRO-NOUN, you will agree with me, that without the Part: " INSULA " the -TIDIS- is obsolete/ superfluous ! and thus the SOLE -geographical- name should read: ATLANT !( Actually AD-LAND">in Koran Surats, this is synomymous for:  Ras- ADEN.)

It is doubtfull that Plato would have named his Atlantic Isle-City:" ATLANTIDIS or Atlantis-City" whilst it was POSEIDONIS and not Atlantis-City !      Ofcourse the naming of Atlantis-City as City-of- POSEIDON would confuse the issue even if it is the Truth, we will have tio compromize and continue to re-name POSEIDONIS as: " Atlantis-Metropolis."  But it feels like a-legal- falsification of the original name.

Hence if Atlantologists base their- scientific- Theses on Atlantis and not on the true name POSEIDONIS or Ad-Land they are barking-up the wrong tree. . .

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If we would name AMERICA the same fashion as' ATLANTIS' ior Atlantide, it would read:" AMERICANIS ": instead of America !~
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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