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« Reply #690 on: February 03, 2008, 04:18:20 pm »







"All historians agree in reporting that the Canarians were beautiful.

They were tall, well built and of singular proportion. They were also robust and courageous,
with high mental capacity. Women were very beautiful and Spanish Gentlemen often used
to take their wives among the population.

The belief that the ancient Canarians were a people favored by great duration of life be-
came popular at the time of the Spanish Conquest ."




(Webmaster note a ’Fountain of Youth’ and one of the reasons in reports led to Columbus to
look beyond the Canary Islands for it.)




"An examination made of the Canarian Mummies with a view to ascertaining the trueness
of this report, shows that such a statement is correct if referred to the Canarian districts
where foods were abundant and easy to find.

It is a pity the Spanish never cared to take a record of the original legends they undoubt-
edly heard of in the islands. However, it must be taken into account that they were so
much in trouble making war against the natives, that they had no time at all for cultural
activities.

The importance of the Canary Islands, lying on their strategic position in the Ocean waters,
became outstanding after the discovery of America.

Finally we think that a mention must be made of the work which is being carried out in the
islands by eminent Canarian archaeologist, such as Prof. Sebastian Jimenez Sanchez of
Las Palmas, Dr.Ellas Serra Rafols of Tenerife, and many others, with the cooperation of
foreign scientists, whose contribution has proven to be first class.

The activity of Canarian archaeologists is a basic one and is fundamental to anyone who
wants to achieve a better understanding of Ancient Canarian cultures.
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Magazines and journals dealing with the history and prehistory of the Canary Islands are
available. Among these we wish to mention, ’Revista de Historia Canaria, published on
behalf of La Laguna University (Tenerife), Faycan, a journal of research edited by
Prof. Jimenez Sanchez, El Museo Canario."

And annotated comments By Webmaster D. Clarke of June 26, 2002

In all fairness, I tried to put forward what still to this day in the Canary Islands has held
true, according to Alf Bajocco's statements.

This in context I have also added to for the probability of Atlantis (A Upper Paleolithic
origin kingdom i.e. 10,000 B.C. on back) colonists have a 50% chance of arriving at the
Canary Islands and no less for three important criterias have been met.



1. Escaping from an ecological tragedy in their stories, flood myths are known also to
exist in Canary islands, Tsunami or otherwise.

2. A Cro-Magnon race with many affinities to a Sahara version of the Azilian-or Southern
Spain cultural complex. Relating this to glyph body art introduced, in some cases out of
nowhere, as well as the Cro Magnons.

Introduction-spear or trident as one of their fishing symbols i.e. used usually for smaller
fish. As a Hunter and Gatherer stage out of lack of choice in moving from catastrophes.

3. Fear of Dogs as a irrational blame on the Flood, as a Dog indicated as the Harbringer
of the tragedy in a celestial implication? As related to many world-wide flood myths of
a dog or fox gone astray from his position or stage.

And the last criteria, the in terraced walls, and concentric linings a very early stage of
Neolithic and Mesolithic practices that preclude the advent of pyramids.

We could say that to this day the Canary Islands are still culturally, and possibly lingui-
stically the best visible (above the surface of the Ocean) view of what parts of Atlantis,
according to Plato, were like, especially in a post-flood sense of conditions for man.

It is also likely that, since man does not seem to appear to exist on the Canaries before
15,000 B.C. that these had more common escapees than aristocratic survivors

But who managed to keep a certain kind of Atlantean-like Canton Government (noted by
Plato) found in regions of Cro-Magnons of ’a King of the Sun’, or ’Twin Celestial Kings’ to
each provincial canton in the Canaries.

Ironically, when the Egyptian-Phoenicians arrived, I am sure they were shocked to find a
similar government was already in place?Huh

As you all know this only deepens the mystery of Herodotus.


Alf Bajocco


http://www.north-of-africa.com/article.php3?id_article=446






ABOUT THE AUTHOR:


In the February 1965 issue of Atlantis (Egerton Sykes' publication), Alf Bajocco - an Italian
expert on North Africa - published "The Early Inhabitants of the Canary Islands" in which he
considered that the original inhabitants of the Canary Islands might have been of Berber
origin.

Note that it has also been suggested that the Berbers, the original inhabitants of Northwest
Africa, were descendants of the Atlanteans.
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                                              Lanzarote: Un Noveau Bimini?





Yes, we are drawing on the French language journals again; this timme from Kadath, an
archeological publication from Belgium. The reason, of course, is that the mainstream
English-language archeological journals are notoriously conservative and, well,
mainstreamish!

The catchword in the title is "Bimini," a word which loses nothing in translation, for it is
well-known in that States as one of the Bahamian resort islands.

It was in the waters off Bimini that divers found the famous Bimini "road" or "wall," which
some maintain is constructed of human-sculpted stone blocks.

(See our handbook Ancient Man.)



Lanzarote, on the other hand, is one of the Canary Islands.

Here, too, one finds a submerged, Bimini-like row of apparently man-made blocks of
stones. Some 22 meters down, the blocks are arranged in a sort of staircase, as
shown in the figure. The steps, however, are 40-cm high, too big a step for humans.

Is this structure a submerged pier, an altar, or something else. No one knows.

Possibly relevant is a statuette, stylistically Olmec, which was also found in Lanzarote
waters. (Bajocco, Alf; "Lanzarote: un Nouveau Bimini?" Kadath, no. 66, p. 6, Winter 1987.)



Comment.

The name, Kadath, incidentally comes from the writings of H.P. Lovecraft, a mostly
forgotten, highly imaginative American writer. Kadath was Lovecrafts' great city of the
ancients.

Reference. Ancient Man, mentioned above, is described here.

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Alignments of blocks in 22 meteres of water off Lanzarote.
(Left) Front view showing stepped arrangement.



From Science Frontiers #58, JUL-AUG 1988. © 1988-2000 William R. Corliss


http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf058/sf058a02.htm
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     Morocco and Eastern Atlantis
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   we seem to have explored the
Canaries, the Azores, the Strait, Spain but not MOROCCO!

Surely an island continent as large and prominent as Atlantis would  leave it's mark in every direction. 

First of all, for the geographically impared, this is where Morocco is:



In Charles Berlitz's book "Atlantis, the Eight Continent" his post this black and white picture:



The caption under the picture reads as such, (in case you can't make it out):


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Sunken buildings or walls off African coast (Morocco) at depth of fifty to sixty feet, extending for several miles.  Size of set stones are comparable to those of Sacsahuaman and Bimini.  Bruno Rizatto

Perhaps if this is yet another "sea wall" as in Bimini, the continent had begun to sink and walls were constructed to keep the ocean out of previously populated areas, as is done today in New Orleans, or Amsterdam?   
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That's the pic I was talking about in the other thread!  But where precisely is this formation?  Has

anyone else dove on it?  I want to see more.  Thanks, mdsungate !

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The above picture is From Charles Berlitz' book "Atlantis, the Eight Continent"

Unfortunately he only has ONE  short paragraph about it.



Here it is:


"An undersea wall off the Moroccan coast, extending several miles in length, first discovered more
than ten years ago (that would be 1974) by a diver while he was spearfishing, has since been further
investigated and photographed.

Some of the stones, either a fallen part of the wall or an auxiliary building, are comparable in size to
the foundation stones used in the temple of Baalbek,Lebanon - the largest building stones known to have been quarried in ancient times".


FROM:

ATLANTIS - THE EIGHTH CONTINENT

by Charles Berlitz
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   Okay people, I think I've found what my favorite author was refering to.  As I've mentioned before, Charles Berlitz, although a wonderful and inspiring researcher, was not exactly proficient at listing his sources, LOL.



But before I post the information it's time for another lesson in geography.  If you're like me, (an product of American Education), you can name all the state capitals but you'll have no idea where this next place is: 


Lanrarote






Lanzarote is the most eastern of the Canary Islands. It is situated 125 km from the African coast




As you can see off the coast of Morocco or off the coast of Lanzarote, we're talking about the same spot. So here's what I found:



TAKEN FROM:  http://atlantis.religionstatistics.net/

By 1981 an expedition lead by Pippo Cappellano found some mysterious basaltic ruins on the ocean floor near the coast of Lanzarote.

At a depth of about 50 feet and over an area of 900 square feet, they found large flat stones that look like they were carefully put into place.
 
These blocks were followed by wide stone steps. But that’s not all: an undersea wall also was discovered which was formed by regular
triangular blocks.






The rest of the site is also quite interesting.  I'll post more of it later   
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OK, Mike.  Let's go back to Berlitz, in the paragraphs just before the one above:




A recent example of an archaeological discovery by an independently financed expedition was
made by a group of Spanish scuba divers along the underwater shelf off the Canary aislands. 

According to tradition of the vanished original inhabitants, the Guanches, the shelf consists of
the former mountain peaks of a submerged continent.

In 1981 a private expedition organized by P. Cappellano found  large stone slabs set on the bottom
at a depth of about fifty feet covering what first appeared to be a 900-square foot area.

The stones were carefully set, and wide stone steps led down from the central pavement as if they
were going down to a landing dock.

Certain marks carved in the stones appeared to be symbols or signs that resemble 'letters' carved on rocks on land in the Canary Islands.

Further investigation will determine whether the signs indigenous and resemble one another only, or
if they contain signs or letters from the languages of other races that may have have landed on the
islands. 

These languages could include the Punic brought by the Carthaginian fleets, the archaic Greek of the
Minoan seafarers, the ancient Libyan of North Africa and even Tifinagh, the written script of the Tuareg tribes of Morocco and the Sahara.

Land investigation of the Canaries is being intermittently carried out by special expeditions from Spain with a view to ascertaining whether or not there exist undiscovered remains of the original Guanches culture (or even, as rumored, surviving Guanches) in villages or caves within the mountainous islands.





AND NOW THE REST FROM ABOVE:


An undersea wall off the Moroccan coast, extending several miles in length, first discovered more
than ten years ago (that would be 1974) by a diver while he was spearfishing, has since been further
investigated and photographed.

Some of the stones, either a fallen part of the wall or an auxiliary building, are comparable in size to
the foundation stones used in the temple of Baalbek,Lebanon - the largest building stones known to have been quarried in ancient times".


FROM:

ATLANTIS - THE EIGHTH CONTINENT

by Charles Berlitz
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   Thanks Bianca, that's a much better map.  You can see how close Lanzarote is to Morocco and the coast of Africa.  This is defiantely what Berlitz was talking about. 

Here's a little more of what's on that site I found it on, which was:

http://atlantis.religionstatistics.net/

The article is titled:






          ATLANTIS : THE LYBIO-PHOENICIAN EMPIRE OF THE CANARY ISLANDS AND MOROCCO

 


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                  THE CANARY ISLANDS AND MOROCCO AS THE SOURCE OF THE MYTH.





INFO: The theory exposed here has been developed taking into account the clues that
Plato gave about Atlantis' situation, and taking also into account geographic and historic
facts known.

"There was an island opposite the strait which you call the Pillars of Hercules [Straits of
Gibraltar], an island larger than Libya [North Africa] and Asia [Turkey] combined; from it
travellers could in those days reach the other islands, and from them the whole opposite
continent [America ?] which surrounds what can truly be called the ocean. For the sea
within the strait we were talking about [Mediterranean Sea] is like a lake with a narrow
entrance; the outer ocean is the real ocean and the land which entirely surrounds it is
properly termed continent [America and Europe combined ?].

On this island of Atlantis had arisen a powerful and remarkable dynasty of kings, who
ruled the whole island, and many other islands as well and parts of the continent; in
addition it controlled, within the strait, Libya up to the borders of Egypt and Europe as
far as Tyrrhenia [Tuscany and Corsica].

This dynasty, gathering its whole power together, attempted to enslave, at a single
stroke, your country [Greece] and ours [Egypt] and all the territory within the strait.
It was then, Solon, that the power and courage and strength of your city [Athens]
became clear for all men to see. Her bravery and military skill were outstanding; she
led an alliance of Greeks, and then when they deserted her and she was forced to
fight alone, after running into direst peril, she overcame the invaders and celebrated
a victory; she rescued those not yet enslaved from the slavery threatening them, and
she generously freed all others living within the Pillars of Hercules [so S. Spain and
Morocco might have been keept under Atlantean control]. At a later time there were
earthquakes and floods of extraordinary violence, and in a single dreadful day and
night all your fighting men were swallowed up by the earth, and the island of
Atlantis was similarly swallowed up by the sea and vanished [the text points as if the
Greek soldiers and Atlantis were in different places, but the catastrophe afftected both];
this is why the sea in that area is to this day impassable to navigation, which is hindered
by mud just below the surface, the remains of the sunken island".


[Egyptian priest telling the history of Atlantis to Solon].




Critias: "To his twin brother, who was born after him [the king Atlas], and obtained as
his lot the extremity of the island towards the Pillars of Heracles, facing the country
which is now called the region of Gades [Cadiz] in that part of the world, he gave the
name which in the Hellenic language is Eumelus, in the language of the country which
is named after him, Gadeirus."





IDEA: If Gades would be Agadir (in ancient times also was known by such name), then
with no doubt Critias was talking about the Canary Islands, in front of Agadir (!), and
which are of volcanic origin. Critias mentioned that Atlantis exercised power over other
nearer islands.

The name "Atlantic Ocean" and "Atlas Mountains" are to be found only in Morocco, and
if the Canary Islands would rise more, such islands almost would belong to the Atlas ranges...

INFO: In whichever case, the Canary Islands are just in front of Cadiz: in a SW direction
(1200 km).



IDEA: But no native cities were found by the Spaniards in the XIV Century, when conquer-
ed the islands, and without cities there are not civilization... but as the same account of
Plato indicates that at least one city sank into the ocean... it could be suspected that the
cities are not searched... in the right place.
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The gist of the entire article is kind of the way I feel myself. 

Lots of places are proposed for what could have been Atlantis. 

But this article kind of debunks theories like "the islands of Santorini, Crete, and other
Aegean islands were the mythical lost continent of Atlantis". 

This article points out what is said by Plato as unmistably being in the Atlantic Ocean:




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"There was an island opposite the strait which you call the Pillars of Hercules [Straits
of Gibraltar], an island larger than Libya [North Africa] and Asia [Turkey] combined;
from it travellers could in those days reach the other islands, and from them the whole
opposite continent [America ?] which surrounds what can truly be called the ocean.

For the sea within the strait we were talking about [Mediterranean Sea] is like a lake
with a narrow entrance; the outer ocean is the real ocean and the land which entirely
surrounds it is properly termed continent [America and Europe combined ?].

On this island of Atlantis had arisen a powerful and remarkable dynasty of kings, who
ruled the whole island, and many other islands as well and parts of the continent; in
addition it controlled, within the strait, Libya up to the borders of Egypt and Europe as
far as Tyrrhenia [Tuscany and Corsica].

This dynasty, gathering its whole power together, attempted to enslave, at a single
stroke, your country [Greece] and ours [Egypt] and all the territory within the strait.
It was then, Solon, that the power and courage and strength of your city [Athens]
became clear for all men to see. Her bravery and military skill were outstanding; she
led an alliance of Greeks, and then when they deserted her and she was forced to
fight alone, after running into direst peril, she overcame the invaders and celebrated
a victory; she rescued those not yet enslaved from the slavery threatening them, and
she generously freed all others living within the Pillars of Hercules [so S. Spain and
Morocco might have been keept under Atlantean control]. At a later time there were
earthquakes and floods of extraordinary violence, and in a single dreadful day and night
all your fighting men were swallowed up by the earth, and the island of Atlantis was
similarly swallowed up by the sea and vanished [the text points as if the Greek soldiers
and Atlantis were in different places, but the catastrophe afftected both]; this is why
the sea in that area is to this day impassable to navigation, which is hindered by mud just
below the surface, the remains of the sunken island" [Egyptian priest telling the history
of Atlantis to Solon].




I sometimes ask myself, "have these archeologists ever bothered to read Plato?", LOL     
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By 1981 an expedition lead by Pippo Cappellano found some mysterious basaltic ruins on the ocean floor near the coast of Lanzarote.
At a depth of about 50 feet and over an area of 900 square feet, they found large flat stones that look like they were carefully put into place.
These blocks were followed by wide stone steps. But that’s not all: an undersea wall also was discovered which was formed by recular triangular blocks.


Spectacular!  Thanks, I had no idea about this.  That's got to be it.  I wonder what their source was?

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  LOL, we must have been posting at the exact same time, LOL. 

I think so too Horus.  But "B" brings up a possible "maybe not" in the timing of the dates.

Okay "B" I see your point in the discrepancies of the dates. But couldn't the site have first been discovered by the spear fisherman in 1974...

Then later "has since been further investigated and photographed, (1981), by an expedition lead by Pippo Cappellano? 

Then in 1984, (the publishing date of his book), mentioned by Berlitz in his "Atlantis the Eight Continent"?   

Both articles say that: "Pippo Cappellano found some mysterious basaltic ruins on the ocean floor near the coast of Lanzarote.  At a depth of about 50 feet and over an area of 900 square feet"  That's the exact depth Berlitz mentions.

But then the article I posted says: "But that’s not all: an undersea wall also was discovered which was formed by regular triangular blocks."  But it doesn't say how long the wall is.  900 square feet is not "miles" obviously, but that was the "mysterious ruins"  So then, how long was the wall?

Couldn't this still be what Berlitz was refering to?  Or am I missing something?....  LOL, (Granted, I'm not always the sharpest tool in the shed).
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I think this is IMPORTANT:

When I started my search, I was looking for the Spartel area.  For sure that's where the
shoals of mud must have been - and still seem to be if I remember correctly.  (It's been
a rough morning - Pavarotti).  I think Gerard-Collina says so too.

Then when I typed the rest of the paragraph and posted the map, a whole new picture came up.
In my search today I saw often mention of DONNELLY connected with this.  I think I'll hit my copy
of ANTEDELUVIAN WORLD when I am finished what I am doing (a time-consuming chart).

I have had this feeling lately that I should do just that - Donnelly has been totally forgotten and
it's wise to remember that he had total access to the NATIONAL LIBRARY and spent a lot of time
there researching.  Sungate is at work and when he gets home, well, he's that rare breed of
father and husband that has his priorities straight.........

So, Horus, if you have the time, how about joining me in re-reading good old Donnelly?

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