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« on: October 09, 2011, 06:42:23 pm »

Values Voter straw poll organizers suggest a fix in Ron Paul's win

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Republican presidential candidate, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, speaks at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, Oct. 8, 2011.
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Rep. Ron Paul scored a decisive victory Saturday in a mock presidential election at the Values Voter Summit, trouncing fellow Texan, Gov. Rick Perry, but an organizer of the straw poll suggested ballot-stuffing may have skewed the results.

In a press conference following the announcement of the straw poll results at the annual Washington gathering of social conservatives, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins all but dismissed the results as irrelevant, citing 600 people who registered Saturday morning and, he said, "left after Ron Paul spoke."

A total of 1,983 ballots were cast. "You do the math," Perkins said.

A year ago in the same contest, Paul came in second-to-last. Speaking briefly with reporters before the straw poll results were announced, the Republican lawmaker said, "If I win, it wouldn't be as important to the media than if I lose."

Paul has a history of scoring unlooked-for straw poll wins by packing the electorate with diehard supporters. But Perkins said it's too early to take much away from Paul's win. "Let me just take you back four years to this event, when we had a straw poll. Mitt Romney won that straw poll," he said. "I think people are still in the process of deciding where they want to go."

Paul got 37 percent of the vote. The rest of the ballots showed how widely social conservatives support is splintered among the rest of the field.

Two other conservative favorites, businessman Herman Cain and former Sen. Rick Santorum, took second and third place, respectively, with 23 percent for Cain and 16 percent for Santorum.

Perry and Michele Bachmann won 8 percent apiece. Mitt Romney got 4 percent of the vote and Newt Gingrich, 3 percent.

For Perry, who is struggling to regain momentum after some disappointing showings in debates and the polls, the results represent a disappointment. The Texas governor is counting on voters who share his socially conservative views to help power his candidacy into the top tier of Republicans. He didn't get the ringing endorsement he might have wished out of the Values Voter Summit. Instead, the gathering put Perry in the midst of a controversy when the Dallas pastor who introduced him Friday later told reporters that Romney's Mormon faith is a "cult" and "not Christian."

Perkins said his organization did "everything to preserve the integrity of this straw poll," including denying campaigns from buying blocks of tickets, "which they attempted to do this year." But Santorum on Friday seemed dubious, and told National Journal that his success in the polls would depend "on how many people, how many campaigns, tried to buy a bunch of tickets and try to stack the poll, which unfortunately happens."

The victory for the longtime congressman and three-time presidential contender over his Republican rivals in the presidential contest was all the more surprising because Paul's principled libertarianism sometimes puts him at odds with the views of social conservatives on issues such as gay marriage and drug laws.

But in a speech hours before the straw poll results were announced, Paul argued that his staunch fiscal conservatism and dogmatic views on liberty were in tune with family values and the Bible.

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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 06:44:21 pm »

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Paul has a history of scoring unlooked-for straw poll wins by packing the electorate with diehard supporters.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 07:57:32 pm »

True.

That's why these straw polls don't mean squat.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 12:30:22 am »

Republicans only have straw polls so they can drum up fundraising.  Does anyone seriously believe Ron Paul will get the nomination?  It will be either Mitt or Rick.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 02:58:44 pm »

Yeah they have to say that cuz people are cathcing on to the fact that all the other candidates are Globalist puppets like Obama.

Organizer Labels Own Poll Irrelevant After Ron Paul Wins


       

Results only count if establishment Republican is victorious

Paul Joseph Watson
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Monday, October 10, 2011

The principal organizer of the Values Voters Summit derided his own group’s straw poll as irrelevant after Ron Paul won, dismissing the results as not being “truly reflective of where values voters stand.”


Despite Family Research Council President Tony Perkins telling CBS News that the organization prevented campaigns from buying blocks of tickets for the event, Perkins still “dismissed the results as irrelevant, citing 600 people who registered Saturday morning and, he said, “left after Ron Paul spoke.”

Congressman Paul won the straw poll after he received 37 per cent of the vote, but Perkins described the result as an “outlier”.

Even in the course of deriding the accuracy of the poll, Perkins still found time to praise former Kansas City Federal Reserve director Herman Cain, saying there was “something to be said about his results” and his “strong” second place finish.

Speaking before the results were announced, Congressman Paul stated, “If I win, it wouldn’t be as important to the media than if I lose.”

Indeed, Perkins’ dismissal of the importance of the poll result continues the trend where straw polls are only deemed important if they are won by establishment Republicans.

When Michele Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll, the mainstream media gushed with enthusiasm and immediately classified Bachmann as a frontrunner, while completely ignoring Ron Paul’s strong second place showing less than 200 votes behind the Minnesota Republican.

However, when Ron Paul won a big victory in the California straw poll just weeks later, the corporate press all but blacklisted the story.

Both CNN and Fox News have also sabotaged their own polls after Ron Paul emerged as the winner, CNN by swapping the poll to get different results and Fox News by deleting it from from their website altogether.

This process of downplaying Paul’s victories while trumpeting those of his rivals is how the establishment attempts to dictate reality – this is how “frontrunners” are manufactured from the top down. As we reported back in August, mainstream media talking heads have admitted that there is a deliberate policy to sideline, ignore and discredit Paul’s campaign.

If Ron Paul’s campaign was allowed a level playing field, he would already be in pole position. However, now that both Rick Perry and Mitt Romney’s campaigns have been largely discredited, the establishment has thrown its weight behind Herman Cain, who if anything is even more of an establishment insider, having been chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City in the mid-90′s, while also proving himself to be a keen supporter of the TARP bailout, the Patriot Act, and the unconstitutional wars launched under Bush that have been accelerated by the Obama administration.

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 11:09:32 pm »

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Yeah they have to say that cuz people are cathcing on to the fact that all the other candidates are Globalist puppets like Obama.

Do you know what the difference is from Ron Paul and all the other "globalist" candidates is, Volitzer?

Here it is:

NOTHING.

The only difference I can see is he is crazier, more dogmatic and in more of a hurry to make you poor.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 03:02:35 pm »

Yeah and Obama and the Democrats has really done wonders for America since 2008.

More black-Americans are out of work now than they were under Reagan, and they weren't too fond of Reagan.

The only people who have gotten any real work is white and black women, they are the ones running the clinics and the government administrative programs that dole out all the government programs.  Other than that your average working person has benefitted.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2011, 06:17:09 pm »

Yeah and Obama and the Democrats has really done wonders for America since 2008.

More black-Americans are out of work now than they were under Reagan, and they weren't too fond of Reagan.

The only people who have gotten any real work is white and black women, they are the ones running the clinics and the government administrative programs that dole out all the government programs.  Other than that your average working person has benefitted.

Well, Volitzer, as usual, you can blame the Republicans for that. Obama at least passed a stimulus bill. How many jobs bills have the Republicans in the House put forward? They haven't put forth a single one. And they wouldn't even allow a vote on his jobs bill in the Senate last week.  They're supposed to be the ones that will help you?

So, I'll admit the economy could be better, and the people who should get the blame for it are the Republicans who deserve it.

And the reason why are even in this recession is because of Bush economic policies, so you can stick that "more black Americans are unemployed than under Reagan" where it belongs, too:  with Bush.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 04:22:02 pm »

If America had elected Chuck Baldwin in 2008, the FED would be gone and America would be prosperous.

America thought "Hope & Change" and electing a multi-racial President was more important electing qualified candidates.
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