Stock Market

[Jesse Neel]

   This economic crash while proceeding as predicted, has become an oxy-moron of comedic proportions. The economic tangle is not just a tug of war with the liberals on one side and the conservatives on the other. There are several factions pulling at differing angles. The bankers are grabbing at every penny, the insurance companies are busted, the auto industry is history, and the super rich are funding the speculators.
   Each entity, driven by emotion and greed, screaming their mantras of lies at each other; are pulling the tangled economy into a knot of seemingly Gordian perplexity. Each using the falaciously created chaos of the ever tightening credit crunch as evidence of their grasp of the situation. (It's like watching a cage full of monkeys throw feces at each other, all the while hoping to catch a banana.)
   What we are experiencing now is a "Raiders of the Lost Market" scenario, where the market is manipulated daily by speculators, squeezing out every last dollar and, causing what is essentially a slow motion crash. Our choices for a solution are Socialism by the Democrats, Social Darwinism by the Republicans, or Revolution by the People.
   It seems the natural cycles of human behavior are proving true as we create a situation where a savior of Alexandrian stature will be required to save us from our very real Monster of the Id. So, on we'll march as a species into this next great war on a carpet of lies and hypocracies of our own creation.

[Byron]

Hi Jesse, I agree with part of your post anyway.  Speculation has run rampant, and it is especially a problem when it comes to oil prices. The solution to that?  Make anyone bidding on the price of oil have to legally have the means to take possession of it.  That will drive a lot of the little guys out of the business who don't own warehouses big enough to stash hundreds of barrels of oil.

As for a figure of Alexandrian proportions righting the American ship of state, well, I am not certain we are ever going to see that, not as long as America remains a democracy anyway. The President has to run everything through the Congress, right now we have divided government and apparently Americans like it that way.  We aren't going to get anyone like that soon.

The problem is Washington, a corrupt, weasly place where the wealthy are allowed to buy the votes of politicians at the expense of the rest of us.  The solution to that is simple: public financing of campaigns and an end to lobbying.  Let's call lobbying what it really is: bribery.

Cut out lobbying, start the public financing of campaigns and end oil speculation and we would get government back working for the people again.

The next step is the deficit. Allow me to make a purely partisan comment here:  the Republicans only seem to care about the deficit when the Democrats are in power, other than that, and they are too busy running it up!  My solution would be to raise the taxes on the rich to 50%, pre-Reagan levels (they were much higher under Eisenhower and Kennedy and the economy boomed both times).  This would eliminate the deficit in no time.

We also need to revisit our trade agreements so we can revive our manufacturing base, but that is another story.  It does all start with an end to lobbying, though.

[Jesse Neel]

Your statements are true, of course. But, the solutions are mute. We are past the point of solving the problems as they exist. I am speaking more to the cycles of history and human nature.

[Volitzer]

WAH WAH WAH !!!!!!!!!!!   

America had plenty of opportunity back in 2008 to vote for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party, the Ron Paul candidate, and eliminate the FED under HR 2755.

Instead America chose to be bamboozled once again by the Globalist's Oligarchy and opted for "HOPE & CHANGE".

America is getting their rewards for their economic alethephobia and their political sophophobia.

Are you aware of how fractional reserve banking is destroying the economy ?


The Money Masters.




It seems almost moot to post this anymore given where we are.  Some here have never even bothered to watch it.  Some here will be clinging to their Obama memorabilia when the final economic collpase comes.

[Krista Davenport]

America had plenty of opportunity back in 2008 to vote for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party, the Ron Paul candidate, and eliminate the FED under HR 2755.

Yeah, like a religious fundamentalist and former Moral Majority member was ever going to solve any of America's problems.  What was he going to do, pray and try and bring back school prayer? 

[Jesse Neel]

Volitzer,

I'm going to have to do some follow-up on what I have just seen. I knew about Wilson and the 1913 chicanery, but I must admit to complete ignorance of fractional reserve banking, having never heard the term. I don't doubt that most folks have not viewed this video, at 3.5 hrs. it requires a considerable investment of time. Still, after having seen the thing, I would encourage anyone who visits this site to view the video. I don't see how it could be any shorter. The information comes quickly and most matter of fact. I had intended to view it in segments as time allowed, but being a student of history, and finding the content in my opinion - jaw-dropping, I watched the thing in its entirety. I cannot back away from my own conclusions (knowing what I do know), but being fond of saying "there are no grey areas, only degrees of understanding", I must admit that this video has increased my understanding of global finance. I would , however, suggest that you not WAH, WAH, WAH those of us who are willing to open our minds to information. What you have posted here is very interesting, very informative, and if true (which I believe may very well be the case), gives us a tool to work with for the future. For that, I thank you.

[Volitzer]

Volitzer,

I'm going to have to do some follow-up on what I have just seen. I knew about Wilson and the 1913 chicanery, but I must admit to complete ignorance of fractional reserve banking, having never heard the term. I don't doubt that most folks have not viewed this video, at 3.5 hrs. it requires a considerable investment of time. Still, after having seen the thing, I would encourage anyone who visits this site to view the video. I don't see how it could be any shorter. The information comes quickly and most matter of fact. I had intended to view it in segments as time allowed, but being a student of history, and finding the content in my opinion - jaw-dropping, I watched the thing in its entirety. I cannot back away from my own conclusions (knowing what I do know), but being fond of saying "there are no grey areas, only degrees of understanding", I must admit that this video has increased my understanding of global finance. I would , however, suggest that you not WAH, WAH, WAH those of us who are willing to open our minds to information. What you have posted here is very interesting, very informative, and if true (which I believe may very well be the case), gives us a tool to work with for the future. For that, I thank you.

Sorry Jesse:   

It was just "lib-tard reaction"   

You see in 1963 JFK signed an executive order to END the FED.

JFK's Presidential Order 11110
 

June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superseded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid."

I have been critical of Obama not being up to the Democrat standards of JFK as far as looking out for the people when it came to the FED.  However it is almost impossible to be critical of Obama here without being called a racist.

I am thrilled you are actually taking the time to learn about the FED and how it operates. 

I am challenging a paradigm here that the Democrats/Obama supporters can't wrap their mind around.  They find it so hard to believe that a non-American multi-racial (s)elected to President isn't a puppet to the debt-slavery system of the FED and that a Republican, Ron Paul, is actually taking up the JFK mantle as far as getting us out of debt slavery and making for a more free America.  This is because they see him as old and white and in the past it was white people doing the enslaving and black people who were versed in freedom and how the Constitution applied to them.  They don't see that Obama is Kenyan puppet selected by the Bilderbergers to maintain the FED system.  The NWO used his multi-racial ethnicity and women's and minorities' lack of Constitutional understanding to put their GQ/brutha candidate into office to lull them to sleep and to maintain the status quo.

They prefer debt slavery under a Kenyan multi-racial versus the liberty of a Congressional regulated banking system under Ron Paul.

Sorry for any offense.  None was meant.   

[Volitzer]

Volitzer,

I don't doubt that most folks have not viewed this video, at 3.5 hrs. it requires a considerable investment of time.

Some have been here since 2007 and I have posted it hundreds of times here.

Many here have just refused to see it.

Americans have a bad case of sophophobia, Those who are afraid of learning anything new have sophophobia; & alethephobia - Fear of hearing the truth.

Ironically this forum split from www.atlantisrising.com cuz of ignorance issues there.  However liberals and conservatives both have their own forms of ignorance.   

Here's a shorter version but the long one is really worth the watch and why JFK was so right in his day.  I'm shaming the modern Democrats here and feeling it.   

Banks versus the American Dream LEARN THE TRUTH

[Justin Garrow]

I have been critical of Obama not being up to the Democrat standards of JFK as far as looking out for the people when it came to the FED.  However it is almost impossible to be critical of Obama here without being called a racist.

Not quite. You only get called racist here when you bring up the birther garbage or keep dwelling on his "multi-racial heritage."  The problem is, you can't make an argument without doing it!

As for the FED being responsible for all the bad things that have happened to America, that just goes to show how little grasp that you and Ron Paul have of economics.

In the first place, America could start printing it's own money tomorrow and it wouldn't change much.  We'd still print it when we needed it to get rid of debt.  The gold standard - there isn't enough gold in the world to cover that.  The problem is rich corporations own too much of the world and the income disparity over the rich and the poor. It would be simplistic to blame if all on the Fed when greed plays a bigger role.

[Krista Davenport]

Ron Paul, is actually taking up the JFK mantle as far as getting us out of debt slavery and making for a more free America. 

Here's a shorter version but the long one is really worth the watch and why JFK was so right in his day.  I'm shaming the modern Democrats here and feeling it.

JFK was like Ron Paul, oh, really..?

You know he was for Social Security, right?  And that his administration was the one that INTRODUCED MEDICARE?

You do know he was a self-described LIBERAL, right?

Here is how he defined himself:

If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal." Acceptance of the New York Liberal Party nomination (14 September 1960)

http://refspace.com/quotes/John_F._Kennedy





Kennedy Medicare

Point is, you don't know CRAP about the JFK administration so stop comparing JFK to that butt licker of the rich, Ron Paul.

We knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of ours, and guess what, Ron Paul is no Jack Kennedy!  He is more like an older Dan Quayle.

[Volitzer]

Not quite. You only get called racist here when you bring up the birther garbage or keep dwelling on his "multi-racial heritage."  The problem is, you can't make an argument without doing it!

Then where is his Birth Certificate already ?  He has never proved his natural born eligibility to be President.  Taft wasn't a legitimate President either but I never seem to get called racist on that. 

As for the FED being responsible for all the bad things that have happened to America, that just goes to show how little grasp that you and Ron Paul have of economics.

In the first place, America could start printing it's own money tomorrow and it wouldn't change much.  We'd still print it when we needed it to get rid of debt.  The gold standard - there isn't enough gold in the world to cover that.  The problem is rich corporations own too much of the world and the income disparity over the rich and the poor. It would be simplistic to blame if all on the Fed when greed plays a bigger role.

The FED is owned by 13 European banking families.  the Federal-Reserve Act keeps us from printing our own money.  Ron Paul wants America to issue debt free US Treasury Notes for money, not Federal-Reserve Notes issued by a private bank.  It is the FED that contracts the money supply and creates all the recessions.  It was the FED that created the Great Depression.  It was cuz of the Bank of England that King George III taxed the US Colonies into Revolution.

Take 4 hours this weekend and watch this film.  I'm sure much of the material wasn't covered in the school you went to.  I know cuz much of it wasn't covered in the school I went to.  The slant of history my school gave was that the Depression happened and it was because the FED took over that we were able to get out of it.  Which is utter BS  The FED CAUSED the GREAT DEPRESSION.  In the 11th grade we did mock operations of the FED.  We were given an economic scenerio and we were to come up with a fix if we were to run the FED.  However in public schools many haven't even heard of the FED much less how it operates or who owns it.

You guys are young, watch the film and see what JFK knew.  It is a form of debt-slavery, if you guys are true progressives you'd be against it too.  Progressives like to abolish things like slavery and inequality, the FED represents just that.


Why Taft was an Un-Constitutional President...


16th Amendment improperly ratified.‏

This is my absolute favorite anti-income-tax argument. Most claims that Americans aren't required to pay income tax rely on legal interpretations so tortured only a tax resister could possibly believe them. But the Ohio thing has just enough plausibility to give even sane people pause.
It all started when Ohio was preparing to celebrate the 150th anniversary of its admission to the Union in 1953. Researchers looking for the original statehood documents discovered there'd been a little oversight. While Congress had approved Ohio's boundaries and constitution, it had never passed a resolution formally admitting the future land of the Buckeyes. Technically, therefore, Ohio was not a state.
Predictably, when this came to light it was the subject of much merriment. One senator joshingly suggested that his colleagues from Ohio were drawing federal paychecks under false pretenses.
But Ohio congressman George Bender thought it was no laughing matter. He introduced a bill in Congress to admit Ohio to the Union retroactive to March 1, 1803. At a special session at the old state capital in Chillicothe the Ohio state legislature approved a new petition for statehood that was delivered to Washington on horseback. Congress subsequently passed a joint resolution, and President Eisenhower, after a few more jokes, signed it on August 7, 1953.
But then the tax resisters got to work. They argued that since Ohio wasn't officially a state until 1953, its ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1911 was invalid, and thus Congress had no authority to enact an income tax.
Baloney, argued rational folk. A sufficient number of states voted for ratification even if you don't count Ohio.
OK, said the resisters, but the proposed amendment had been introduced to Congress by the administration of William H. Taft. Taft had been born in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1857. The Constitution requires that presidents be natural-born citizens of the United States. Since Ohio was not a state in 1857, Taft was not a natural-born citizen, could not legally be president, and could not legally introduce the 16th Amendment. (Presumably one would also have problems with anything done by presidents Grant, Hayes, Garfield, B. Harrison, McKinley, and Harding, who were also born in Ohio.)
Get off it, the rationalists replied. The 1953 resolution retroactively admitted Ohio as of 1803, thereby rendering all subsequent events copacetic.
Uh-uh, said the resisters. The constitution says the Congress shall make no ex post facto law. That means no retroactive admissions to statehood.
Uh, we'll get back to you on that, said the rationalists.
A call to the IRS elicited the following official statement: "The courts have . . . rejected claims that the Sixteenth Amendment . . . was not properly ratified. . . . In Porth v. Brodrick, 214 F.2d 925 (10th Circuit 1954), the court dismissed an attack on the Sixteenth Amendment as being 'clearly unsubstantial and without merit,' as well as 'far fetched and frivolous.'"
Just one problem. The Porth decision didn't specifically address the Ohio argument. It just sort of spluttered that attacks on the 16th Amendment were stupid.
OK, they're stupid. But great matters have turned on seemingly sillier points of law. It's not like the Ohio argument couldn't have been defeated on the merits. One suspects that from a legal standpoint "ex post facto" doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "retroactive." And of course the weight of 150 years of history, during which time everyone thought Ohio had been properly admitted, ought to count for something.
I'm not defending the crackpots. But if you're a parent you recognize that "because I said so" isn't much of an argument. Guess it's different if you're a judge.


Between Taft, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, B. Harrison, McKinley, and Harding, who were also born in Ohio.  We've had more un-Constitutional white Presidents, but mention Obama and it's RACIST RACIST RACIST !!!   

[Jesse Neel]

Volitzer,

Yeah, there are a lot of emotional thinkers and ideologues making decisions for us now. I've always thought that logic and common sense should be tempered with emotion; just as justice is tempered with mercy, and not the other way around.

I'm getting a Sesame Street vibe from this FED thing. You know, which of these things doesn't belong?

A. Balanced Budget
B. Low Unemployment
C. Moderate Growth
D. Tapeworm

[Krista Davenport]

Then where is his Birth Certificate already ?  He has never proved his natural born eligibility to be President.

He has produced his birth certificate.  Of course, it isn't enough for you brain dead bigots, who are still living in the era of slavery and segregation.

Bigot.

You guys are young, watch the film and see what JFK knew.

Hogwash!  I know all about JFK and the Fed.  The fact that you keep harping on the FED and nothing about how the rich are trying to methodically wipe out the middle class shows you know zilch about economics.

[Volitzer]

Volitzer,

Yeah, there are a lot of emotional thinkers and ideologues making decisions for us now. I've always thought that logic and common sense should be tempered with emotion; just as justice is tempered with mercy, and not the other way around.

I'm getting a Sesame Street vibe from this FED thing. You know, which of these things doesn't belong?

A. Balanced Budget
B. Low Unemployment
C. Moderate Growth
D. Tapeworm

Tapeworm.   

Watch the full Money-Masters movie to get the whole history.  Most liberals read below a NY state 8th grade education level anyway so I posted the cartoon for them until they can work their way up to Money-Masters.   

[Volitzer]

He has produced his birth certificate.  Of course, it isn't enough for you brain dead bigots, who are still living in the era of slavery and segregation.

You mean the fake one he is being sued over for document forgery.  That one ?

Hogwash!  I know all about JFK and the Fed.  The fact that you keep harping on the FED and nothing about how the rich are trying to methodically wipe out the middle class shows you know zilch about economics.

If you knew anything about economics you would know that any rich person needs a good middle-class to maintain their wealth.  The only rich people who want to wipe anyone out are the Globalists that work in banking, print money and don't produce one God D@^^ED  thing.  These are your Soros', your Brezinskis, your Rothchilds, Warburgs and Rockefellers.  The CEO of GM and Amway actually deserve their wealth cuz they are actually contributing something to the American economy.  There's equity capitalism and banker capitalism.  Try to learn the difference bwteen the 2.