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Dr. Rainer W. Kühne
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« on: May 26, 2011, 09:11:48 am »

Since 1989 I am publishing on the opinion that Plato's description of the war of the Atlanteans refers to the wars of the Sea Peoples. Since 2003 I am publishing also on the view that Plato's description of the geography of Atlantis refers to Tartessos. My views found some media interest since 2004.

links to my publications:

(1) preprint version (September 1987) of "Plädoyer für Atlantis", Ancient Skies (1989), Vol. 13, No. 1, pp. 3-8
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/KuehneR_PlaedoyerAtlantis_1989_preprint.pdf

acceptance of this article by Erich von Däniken, (1987):
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/DaenikenE_AnnahmeArtikelvonRainerKuehne_1987.pdf

(2) unpublished book typescript (1989):
"Auf den Spuren der Götter", excerpt:
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/KuehneR_SpurenGoetter_unveroeffManuskript.pdf

rejectance of this book typescript by Econ-Verlag (1989):
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/EconVerlag_AbsageBuchmanuskriptvonRKuehne_1989.pdf

(3) "The Quest for Historical Elements in Plato's Critias", unpublished article (1992)
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/KuehneR_QuestHistoricalElementsPlatosCritias_unveroeffManuskript.pdf

rejectance of this article by the archaeological journal "Hesperia" (1992):
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/Hesperia_AbsageArtikelvonRKuehne_1992.pdf

rejectance of this article by the archaeological journal "Antiquity" (1992):
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/Antiquity_AbsageArtikelvonRKuehne_1992.pdf

(4) "Die Datierung von Atlantis", Independent Science No. 1 (1993), p. 4f. and p. 31
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/KuehneR_DatierungAtlantis_1993.pdf

(5) August 06, 2003
Lage und Datierung von Atlantis
http://www.mysteria3000.de/wp/2003/lage-und-datierung-von-atlantis/

(6) April 09, 2004
Atlantis in der wissenschaftlichen Literatur
http://www.mysteria3000.de/wp/2004/atlantis-in-der-wissenschaftlichen-literatur/

(7) June 01, 2004
A location for "Atlantis"?
http://antiquity.ac.uk/ProjGall/kuhne/

( 8 ) November 01, 2004
Die Entdeckung von Atlantis – ein Erlebnisbericht
http://www.mysteria3000.de/wp/2004/die-entdeckung-von-atlantis-ein-erlebnisbericht/

(9) March 20, 2005
Atlantis: Historical Elements in the Fictitious Tale
http://anthropogene.blogspot.com/2007/04/vision-of-khilafah.html

(10) April 27, 2007
Historical Elements in Plato’s Atlantis Tale
http://www.mysteria3000.de/wp/2007/historical-elements-in-platos-atlantis-tale/

(11) May 11, 2008
Tartessos-Tarshish was the Model for Plato's Atlantis
http://anthropogene.blogspot.com/2008/05/tartessos-tarshish-was-model-for-platos.html

(12) October 20, 2008
Did Ulysses Travel to Atlantis?
http://www.springerlink.com/index/l230650842118002.pdf
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1402087845

(13) November 25, 2010
The Archaeological Search for Tartessos-Tarshish-Atlantis in the Donana National Park
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/201656

(14) November 28, 2010
The Archaeological Search for Tartessos-Tarshish-Atlantis and Other Human Settlements in the Donana National Park
http://anthropogene.blogspot.com/2010/11/archaeological-search-for-tartessos.html

(15) December 12, 2010
The Archaeological Search for Tartessos-Tarshish-Atlantis and Other Human Settlements in the Donana National Park
http://www.mysteria3000.de/wp/2010/the-archaeological-search-for-tartessos-tarshish-atlantis/

(16) March 12, 2011
Tartessos-Tarshish Was the Model for Plato's Atlantis
http://vixra.org/abs/1103.0040

(17) March 12, 2011
Die Entdeckung von Atlantis - Ein Erlebnisbericht
http://vixra.org/abs/1103.0041

(18) March 14, 2011
Did Ulysses Travel to Atlantis?
http://vixra.org/abs/1103.0058

(19) April 07, 2011
The Archaeological Search for Tartessos-Tarshish-Atlantis and Other Human Settlements in the Donana National Park
http://vixra.org/abs/1104.0035

links to reports in popular science magazines:

(1) Scientific American
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0004EC70-6BFD-1150-ABFD83414B7F0000

(2) National Geographic
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0819_040819_atlantis.html

(3) New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427361.600-atlantis.html

(4) EARSEL Newsletter
http://www.earsel.org/Newsletters/EARSeL%2058%20June%2006'04.pdf

(5) GEO
http://www.beepworld.de/members/archiv_rainer_kuehne_14/

(6) Galileu
http://revistagalileu.globo.com/Galileu/0,6993,ECT754715-3572,00.html

links to reports in books (page numbers refer to the pages where I am mentioned):

(1) Michael Bradley and Ted Streuli: Guide to the World's Greatest Treasures. Barnes and Noble 2005.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/1402763093
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0760772142
(p. 37)

(2) Preston Peet (ed.): Underground! Red Wheel/Weiser 2005 and 2013. Roy A. Decker: The Secret Land (pp. 109-116).
http://www.amazon.de/dp/1932857192
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1609258673    (p. 112)

(3) Hans-Klaus Jungheinrich (ed.): Identitäten - Der Komponist und Dirigent Peter Eötvös. Schott Musik International 2005.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/3795705347
(p. 39)

(4) Edward Malkowski: Before the Pharaohs. Bear and Co 2006.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/1591430488
(p. 287)

(5) Edward Malkowski: The Spiritual Technology of Ancient Egypt. Bindu Books 2007.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/1594771863
(p. 356)

(6) Joel Levy: The Atlas of Atlantis and Other Lost Civilizations: The Complete Guide to the History and Wisdom of Atlantis, Lemuria, Mu and Other Ancient Civilizations. Godsfield Press, 2007.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/184181315X
(p. 31, 32, 33, 37)

Joel Levy: Atlas de l'Atlantide et autres civilisations perdues. Vega 2007.
http://www.amazon.fr/dp/2858294887

Joel Levy: L'atlante di Atlantide e delle civilta perdute. Apogeo 2008.
http://www.amazon.ca/dp/8850327056

Joel Levy: De atlas van Atlantis en andere verloren beschavingen. 2007
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/de-atlas-van-atlantis/1001004005493657

Joel Levy: Atlas Atlantida a dalsi ztracene civilizace. 2008
https://www.kosmas.cz/knihy/142958/atlas-atlantida-a-dalsi-ztracene-civilizace

(7) Brian Haughton: Hidden History: Lost Civilizations, Secret Knowledge, and Ancient Mysteries. New Page Books, 2007 & Castle Books, 2008.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1564148971
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0785824111/
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1564148971       (p. 19)

Brian Haughton: Verlorenes Wissen, verbotene Wahrheit: Die geheimen Mysterien der Weltgeschichte. Heyne, 2008.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/3453700856
(p. 29, 30)

( 8 ) John Farndon: Do not open: An encyclopedia of the world's best-kept secrets. Dorling Kindersley 2007.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1405322071
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0756662931
http://books.google.fr/books?isbn=1405336331 (p. 213)

(9) Joel Levy: Lost Histories. Exploring the World's Most Famous Mysteries. Vision 2007.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1904132936
(p. 15)

Joel Levy: Kayip Tarihler. Dünyanin En Ünlü Gizemlerinin Arastirilmasi. 2008.
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=9752734022   (p. 30)

Joel Levy: Ztracena historie. Patrani po nej prozlulejsich zahadach sveta. Metafora 2010.
http://www.cbdb.cz/kniha-8904-ztracena-historie-the-lost-history

(10) Denise Rinaldo: Cities of the Dead: Finding Lost Civilizations (24/7: Science Behind the Scenes). Franklin Watts, 2008.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/053118739X
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0531120791/
(p. 31)

(11) John Gill: Andalucia: A Cultural History (Landscapes of the Imagination). Signal Books, 2008 & Oxford University Press, 2008.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1904955444
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0195376102
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=0199704511  (p. 19, 20, 24, 25)

(12) Ulrich Müller and Werner Wunderlich (eds.): Mittelalter-Mythen (Band 5): Burgen, Länder, Orte. UVK Verlagsgesellschaft 2008. Christa Agnes Tuczay: Atlantis (pp. 57-74).
http://www.amazon.de/dp/389669636X
(p. 65)

(13) Rainer Krämer: Das Rätsel des Aristokles. Twilight-Line GbR, 2009.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/3941122398
http://www.amazon.de/dp/1409257797
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=3941122398  (p. 36, 44, 94, 95, 111, 114)

(14) Karen Mutton: Sunken Realms, A Survey of Underwater Ruins from Around the World. Adventures Unlimited Press, 2009.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1931882967
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1935487493

(15) Angel Roman Ramirez: Introduccion a la Musica en la Espana Antiguay en la Andalucia prerromana. 2010.
http://www.amazon.ca/dp/8485764889
(p. 59, 60)

(16) Richard A. Freund: Digging Through History. Rowman and Littlefield, 2012.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1442208821
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1442208848    (p. 69, 72, 78, 81, 254)

(17) Lee R. Kerr: Griffin Quest - Investigating Atlantis. Createspace, 2012.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1469958368
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=0615490131   (p. 112)

(18) Thomas Kingsley Troupe: The Legend of Atlantis. Picture Window Books, 2012.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1404866566
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1404878920         (p. 20)

(19) Patrick Chouinard: Forgotten Worlds. From Atlantis to the X-Woman of Siberia and the Hobbits of Flores. Bear and Company 2012.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1591431387
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1591438926

(20) Walter Hain: S.A.E.T.I. Die Suche nach Artefakten von außerirdischen Intelligenzen. Books on Demand, 2013.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/3848251418
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=3848251418  (p. 282)

(21) Jose Carlos Romero: Descendemos de los Anunnaki. Bubok 2013.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/846863090X
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=8468630918   (p. 82)

documentary "Finding Atlantis" by the National Geographic Channel (13 March 2011) via YouTube:



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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 11:44:24 pm »

Very comprehensive, I saw the documentary, "Finding Atlantis" and didn't see any good evidence of Tartessos in Spain, though, nor any direct link that Tartessos actually was Atlantis other than they were both very wealty.  Also, scholars seem to believe that the Sea People came from the east, not the west.
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2011, 02:31:24 am »

Surely, Georgeos Diaz-Montexano must get some credit for this theory as he was the originator of this location hypothesis.
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2011, 02:31:46 am »

Surely, Georgeos Diaz-Montexano must get some credit for this theory as he was the originator of this location hypothesis.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 03:27:44 am »

Good work!  Sadly, Tartessos lacks the dimensions described by Plato, however.
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 03:31:24 am »

Also, Tartessos is much more recent.  In fact, I believe that Tartessos was still around when Solon received the story in Sais.  Perhaps the intention is that Plato used a variety of ideas to create his Atlantis.  In that case, the hypothesis may as well be that Atlantis did not exist at all.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2014, 06:20:26 am »

There is strong evidence of three archaeological sites in the Donana National Park. These sites were investigated in 2006 and 2009 by a team of scientists headed by archaeologist Prof. Sebastian Celestino Perez. Among the members of the international and interdisciplinary team were geologist Prof. Antonio Rodriguez-Ramirez, historian Prof. Richard A. Freund, and cartographer Prof. Philip Reeder.

The first site is located in the southern part of the Horno del Mal Tiempo. It includes a rectangular form (named R-1) of size 45 meters times 40 meters. This form was photographed from the air by an unmanned airplane in 2006 (Dr. Holger Friehmelt, Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt) and by a balloon in 2009 (Dr. Paul Bauman, Worley Parsons, Canada). The rectangular form was confirmed by magnetometry. An archaeological survey yielded numerous pottery sherds, remnants of building rock and two small figurines of limestone within the rectangular form.

The second site is located in the southern part of the Pacil de Cardales. It includes Cabanas I (where pottery sherds where found), a trapezoid (named R-8) which was confirmed by ground penetrating radar, and a circle, named C-1, (perhaps also a second circle, named C-2) of diameter 90 meters which was confirmed by electric resistance tomography (Dr. Paul Bauman, Worley Parsons).

The third site is located in the northern part of the Pacil de Cardales and the southern part of the Marisma de Hinojos. It includes four rectangular forms (named R-4, R-5, R-6, and R-7). This site is very close to the form I named "silver temple of Poseidon". The site was not investigated by geophysical methods, yet.

The mutual distance of the three sites is between 2000 meters and 2500 meters. It is not yet clear whether the second and third site are in reality one large site. Between the two sites are situated rectangular forms R-2 and R-3, which are not yet confirmed geophysically or by a survey.

At present three publications report about the expedition.

Rainer W. Kühne: The archaeological search for Tartessos-Tarshish-Atlantis and other human settlements in the Donana National Park
http://vixra.org/abs/1104.0035

Richard A. Freund: Digging through History (Rowman and Littlefield publishers, 2012)
http://books.google.de/books?isbn=1442208848

Simcha Jacobovici: Finding Atlantis (National Geographic documentary)
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* En busca de la Atlantida, in Spanish
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Die Suche nach Atlantis, in German (not on Youtube)

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2014, 02:46:20 pm »

Thanks for the update, we have been waiting for one on Marisma de Hinojos for some time now. Thus far, has anything unearthed resembled the descriptions in Timaeus and Critias?
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