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« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2009, 11:15:50 pm »

Hi Riven,

Long time no see!  Great pic, where did you get it from, and from when does it date?
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« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2009, 11:34:53 pm »

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How about this picture of the peaks of Atlantis island ascending out of the Atlantic Ocean some 600 miles BEFORE the straites of Gibraltar.

Notice there is no greenery like grass,trees or even moss visible.

A piece of Atlantis rising.  Smiley


Wherever the picture came from originally, it would be typical of the volcanic islands that spit up from the Atlantic from time to time - barren and void of vegetation.  Surtsey was a lot like that when it came up in the 1960s and the Azores were said to be like that, too, when they were first discovered.

They don't match the description, which Plato describes as a pretty lush place with two growing seasons.
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« Reply #92 on: March 19, 2009, 05:11:02 am »



That should be before the disastrous event occurred, but after that, according to Plato:

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The consequence is, that in comparison of what then was, there are remaining only the bones of the wasted body, as they may be called, as in the case of small islands, all the richer and softer parts of the soil having fallen away, and the mere skeleton of the land being left.
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« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2009, 02:48:43 pm »

Hi Tina;

Nice to hear from you. I took the pic with google earth.The imagery is dated to Mar.2007 in the bottom left corner, but I have no idea how old the actual island is which appears newer than Madeira.

It is about 7 miles long and a little distance away from the island of Madeira as the co-ordinates on the bottom of the pic will lead you to with Google Earth.

I understand that it appears to be a volcanic island that was pushed up from the Ocean depths in the vicinity of my thesis for the large island of Atlantis that spanned from Cape Verde to Azores as my maps demonstrate.

I meant for it to be more of an inspiration for Atlantis researchers with hope that islands like this may one day push up evidence of Atlantis in the form of man made relics or buildings from the depths of the Ocean floor. Smiley



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« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2009, 05:48:13 pm »

Here is a tale you may or may not have heard of the Atlantic spitting up islands, only to swallow them up later Riven

(from one of Bianca's posts):

A very curious example of this possibility occurred in March 1882.  Unlike many alleg-
ed sightings of Atlantean ruins before that time, it was well reported in a ship's log and also in the press.  It concerned the encounter of a steamship with an uncharted island in heavily traveled sea lanes and the unusual material that was
found there by the ship's captain and his crew.

The vessel was named the S.S. JESMOND, a British merchant ship of 1495 tons,
bound for New Orleans with a cargo of dried fruits from its last port of call in Messina
Sicily.  The Jesmond was captained by David Robson, holder of master's certificate 27911 in the Queens' Merchant Marine. 

The Jesmond passed through the Straits of Gibraltar (the ancient Pillars of Hercules)
on March 1, 1882, and sailed into the open sea.  When the ship reached the posit-
ion 31degree 25'N, 28degree 40'W, about 200 miles west of Madeira and about the
same distance south of the Azores, it was noted that the ocean had become unus-
ually muddy and that the vessel was passing through enormous shoals of dead fish, as if some sudden disease or underwater explosion had killed them by the
millions.  Just before evening on the first day of encountering the fish banks, Captain Robson noticed smoke on the horizon which he presumed came from another ship.

On the following day, the fish shoals were even thicker and the smoke on the horizon seemed to be coming from mountains on an island directly to the west,
where, according to the charts, there was no land for thousands of miles.  As
the Jesmon approached the vicinity of the island, Captain Robson threw out an
anchor at about twelve miles offshore to find out whether or not this unchartered island was surrounded by reefs.  Even though the charts indicated an area depth
of several thousand fathoms, the anchor hit bottom at only seven fathoms.

When Robson went ashore with a landing party, they found themselves to be on
a large island with no vegetation, no trees, no sandy beaches, bare of all life as if
it had just risen from the ocean.  The shore they landed on was covered with
volcanic debris.  As there were no trees, the party could clearly see a plateau be-
ginning several miles away and smoking mountains beyond that.
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« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2009, 05:48:47 pm »

The landing party rather gingerly headed toward the interior in the direction of the
mountains, but they found that progress was interrupted by a series of deep
chasms.  To get to the interior would have taken days.  They returned to their landing point and examined a broken cliff, part of which seemed to have been
split into a mass of loose gravel, as if it had recently been subjected to great force.  One of the sailors found an unusual arrowhed in the broken rock, a disco-
very that led the captain to send for picks and shovels from the ship, so that the
crew could dig into the gravel.

According to what he told a reporter from the Times Picayune in New Orleans, where he later docked, he and his crew uncovered "crumbling remains" of 'massi-
ve walls."  A variety of artifacts uncovered by digging near the walls for the better part of two days included "bronze swords, rings, mallets, carvings of heads and figures of birds and animals, and two vases or jars with fragments of bone, and one cranium almost entire...." and "what appeared to be a mummy enclosed in a
stone case....encrusted with volcanic deposit, so as to be scarcely distinguished from the rock itself."  At the end of the following day, much of which was spent getting the rock sarcophagus aboard the Jesmond, Robson, now worried about un-
certain weather, decided to abandon his exploration of the island and resume his
course.

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« Reply #96 on: March 21, 2009, 05:49:18 pm »

Several reporters examined Captain Robson's unusual finds and were informed by him that he planned to present the artifacts to the British Museum.  Unfortunately
for Atlantean research, however, the log of the Jesmond was destroyed during the
London blitz of September 1940, along with the offices of the Jesmond's owner,
Watts, Watts and Company, Threadneedle Street. 

There is apparently no record at the British Museum of their having received Robson's unusual collection, although it is, of course, possible that the artifacts
are filed in the capacious attics and basements common to all great museums. 

Nor was the island ever heard of again, existing only in the sworn testimony of the
captain and crew of the JESMOND.

There is, however, some corroboration of the incident:  Captain Robson was not alone in reporting the sighting of the mysterious island.  Captain James Newdick
of the steam schooner WESTBOURNE, sailing from Marseilles to New York during
the same period, reported on arrival in New York of having sighted a large island
at coordinates 25degree30'N, 24degreesW.  Newdick's report appeared in the
"New York Post", April 1, 1882.
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« Reply #97 on: March 21, 2009, 05:49:37 pm »

If the coordinated given by both captains were correct, the mystery island would
have measured 20X30 miles in area.  The volcanic activity that brought an island
of this size to the surface would have killed, probably through heating the oceanic
water, an enormous quantity of fish, just as Captain Robson reported.

The miles of dead fish, fanning out from the area first reported by Robson, were
also commented upon by a number of other ship captains and appeared in a varie-
ty of newpapers, including the"New York Times".  One captain suggested that the
kill could be explained by the wreck of a fishing vessel, however unlikely this ex-
planation might be.

For, the quantity of dead fish, as estimated by the British institute of Oceanogra-
phy, covered 7,500 square miles of the Atlantic and comprised at least half a
million tons.

Crew members of various vessels that passed through the floating fish identified
them as tilefish, cod, red snapper, shad and many others.  Some adventurous
souls among the sailors sampled a number of the fish and suffered no ill effects.
They stated that the fish were "hard and proved excellent food."

One might speculate that these hordes of fish did not immediately rot, since they
had been "pre-cooked" by the volcanic heat generated by the rising of the island
from the ocean floor.
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« Reply #98 on: March 21, 2009, 05:49:53 pm »

Since Captain Robson's brief viewing of allegedly Atlantean walls, recognizable features of buildings, walls and roads have been reported with increasing fre-
quency from various parts of the Atlantic.  They have often been observed by
pilots, who have overflown them in their scheduled flights and have not had per-
mission to depart from their flight plans to investigate further by circling, in order
to photograph chance sightings that, in any case, may have been illusory.

During WWII, several pilots on military flights between Brazil and Senegal, formerly
French West Africa, said they saw what looked like clusters of buildings or "cities"
under the ocean surface, near the St. Peter and St. Paul Rocks (1degreeN, 30degree West).  Other pilots and observers flying the same route, have reported seeing what appeared to be underwater stone walls and ruins at approxmiately
6degreesN, 20degrees W, near the Sierra Leone Rise. 

Although it would be easy to discount these claims, by supposing that the pilots
reported clouds or shadown on the ocean, (it is relatively easy for imaginative in-
dividuals, pilots or otherwise, to visualize fantasies in the sea or sky), neverthe-
less, it is also true that some of the subsurface islands in the Atlantic, especially
the flat-topped seamounts that rise suddenly from the ocean floor, come fairly
close to sea level, in a number of places.

At certain times of the day, a special slant of the sun's rays in the afternoon and a
low rate of diatoms in the sea could make parts of the ocean, over such seamounts clear enough to catch a glimpse of former human settlements built on large sea-
mounts, when they were once islands.
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« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2009, 05:50:34 pm »

In the Western Atlantic, near the United States, pilots of both scheduled and
charter flights have remarked on pyramidal formations, stepped terraces and
walls on the ocean floor, between the Bahamas and Florida. 

A Pan American pilot has described seeing an archway in a submerged wall,
about sixty feet from the surface.  Charter pilots have described underwater
roads, leading eastward out to sea, from the coast of Yucatan, which they foll-
owed until the roads were lost in deep water, but which presumably continued 
to other destinations, now beneath the sea.

An expanse of stone ruins, several acres in area and apparently white, as if they
were marble, was reported off the northern coast of Cuba by the late Leicester
Hemingway, former resident of Cuba and brother of the famous novelist, but
these ruins are located well within Cuban waters and are, therefore, inaccessible
to American divers.

A number of rather convincing photographs have been taken from the air of what
appears to be underwater stonework on the Bahama Banks and off the
Caribbean coast of Mexico, but no aerial photographs have yet been made availa-
ble of sunken cities in the mid-Atlantic.

However, within the last several years, a number of unusual photographs have been taken, not from aircraft, but from submarine cameras, lowered from research
ships. 

Pictures of apparently man-made ruins, photographed at much greater depths than ever before, have been obtained by oceanographers not engaged in looking for
Atlantis, but simply photographing the sea bottom, in the general area of the legendary island continent.

The vessels and the oceanographers were from the USSR, a nation far from Plato's
Atlantic Sea.


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« Reply #100 on: April 10, 2009, 02:22:35 pm »

Thanks for that interesting post Abrien.

I could only make out a faint unamed seamount with google earth for those co-ordinates just south easterly of the larger meteor and cruiser seamounts.

Yes,it would be nice if we had the evidence of those artifacts claimed.

Sorry I took so long to reply.

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« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2009, 02:23:33 pm »

According to Herodotus, there are 3 main Hercules characters as follows;

An Egyptian God recognized as Hercules 17,000 years prior to Amasis which works out to be around 6500.bC when compared to my generation theory.

The Hercules from Tyre some 2300 years before Herodotus' writing of 440.bC, or 2740.bC.

The Greek Hercules,son of Amphitryon and Alcmena ca.1250.bC.


In my Flight of a Kings Golden sandals paper, in the Phoenician chronology section based on Eusebius, the founding of Tyre also worked out relatively close to Herodotus with Hypsuranius at 2967.bC from their ancestors lineage of Aeon and Protogonus or the first mortals of Phoenicia ca.3147.bC.

Naturaly, it is evident that this list is in need of a more realistic organization and chronology to compliment fathers and offspring closer to each other rather than hundreds of years apart.

However, in this list we see that Uranus appears ca.2607.bC who fathers Kronos,Atlas and Dagon. Shortly after,Athena is also born as a daughter of Kronos.

Dagon is the father of Demarus who is the father of Melcathrus who is known as Hercules.

This coincides with Herodotus stating the temple and pillars of Hercules at Tyre around 2700.bC.

According to the Phoenician myths,it seems apparent that this temple, the priests and the mysteries for that time,gave rise to these gods known as Apollo,Zeus,Poseidon,Pontus,Uranus,Kronos,Athena,Hercules,etc,etc.

It is also reflected in the phoenician myth that the first ships were also built around 2667.bC by the Dioscuri,Cabeiri,Corybantes and Samothracians while bearing in mind that Ousous,just after Tyres founding was the first to sail and also consecrated 2 pillars,one of fire and one of wind.

We also are aware that the Egyptians were sailing ships around 3000-3200.bC as derived from the tomb 100 map,various inscriptions and archaeo studies.

In our Atlantis legend, we are told that the city of Atlantis was built by Poseidon at a time before voyages and ships were known and after the lands were alotted to the gods which according to the oldest Hercules of Egypt was 17000 years prior to Amasis as Herodotus stated or around the golden age of 6500.bC according to my generational theory.

Idealy,the city of Atlantis would have been constructed between the old Hercules and the first ships with preference towards the latter.

The days of old were also broken up into castes or organized civil groups which can be understood as forming around 5000.bC to a more focused 3500.bC from archaeo studies and tribes whose weaponries were also shields and spears as the egyptian priest relates in Critias.

The irony is that most cultures appear dated to around 3200.bC like the Phoenicians with Aeon and Protogonus,the Egyptians with Menes,the Babylonians with Alorus, the Mayan calendar,the Hebrew calendar,etc,etc or at a point after the biblical flood dated to 3253.bC.

I have also reflected with much evidence of geosciences and chronologies that 3253.bC,like 6482.bC, leaves the impression of an event that compares with the biblical flood and the destruction of Atlantis and the mediterranean nations of the 3 known worlds,Asia,Africa and Europe.

We would be inclined to say,based on the Phoenician myths,that the earliest pillars of Hercules worshipped at Tyre would be the broken pillars of Erithea,Ethiopia and that sailing out of the Red Sea to the horn of Africa we would reach the Atlantic and that Antarctica would then be the boundless continent.

This also coincides,as I posted recently in the location of atlantis thread, with the Cycladic stone map of 2800.bC and Tanzania as once being a large island surrounded by water with the garden of avila(eden) bordering on Lake Victoria which can also be viewed as a concentricaly formed city of Atlantis in that very garden.

Ironicaly, the city of Atlantis was also said to have been settled where the "Light was first Seen" which signifies a religious event like the Garden.

My impression is that the Tanzanian island is Atlantis II or the newer memory of Atlantis city as reflected by the cycladic stone map and the flood of 3253.bC which surrounded Tanzania with water making it appear as a large oval island. This all relates to the Tyrian Hercules,pillars at Erithea,Ethiopia and a passage to the Atlantic past the Horn of Africa.

The original island and city of Atlantis would be located at the older Hercules of Egypt mentioned by Herodotus of 17,000 years (6500.bC) which would be before the straites of Gibraltar at the Josephine,Torre seamounts that include Ormonde and Ampheres mounts surrounding the horseshoe abyssal plain.

Here we also find Erithea in parallel to Ethiopia,which I believe that Erithea was the name for the Ormonde seamount.

Typicaly,the gods of Egypt come from Nun which is the great ocean westward of them which also identifies the pillars of Hercules at Gibraltar. Just as the Gods also sailed to the west in their barques of the setting sun.

The evidence which also includes a time when the countries were liberated,suggests that Atlantis wasn't around after 2500.bC.

This also seems to parallel a thought that Homer and Hesiod ca.800.bC and Solon's account for greek history upto Phoroneus were speaking of ages 1000 years prior to themselves or 1800.bC with no mention of Atlantis by any of them until Amasis.

I would imagine,as Smiley also says, their should be writings about Atlantis if it was within that timeframe of Cecrops as Georgeos concludes or 900 years prior to Amasis rather than 9000 as the proponents of divisors of ten perceive.

The thought is that the people of 1800.bC would have remembered Atlantis and also spoke about it as being also roughly 1000 years prior to themselves or sometime before 2800.bC which also reflects the dating of the cycladic stone map.


Just as there are twins, 2 locations for hercules' pillars, 2 Eritheas and 2 straites that lead out into the Atlantic, 2 Hercules,one Tyrian one Egyptian, so it also appears that there were 2 events to ponder like the twin cities of Atlantis...

6482.bC and 3253.bC.

One vanished, One visible.











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« Reply #102 on: April 12, 2009, 01:07:52 am »


Hi Corissa;

I haven't been back to the Azores since I was 4 years old. I hope someday to go. Yes it is very beautiful like Hawaii.
When Atlantis rises the airfare will be cheaper! Then I can drive the rest of the way and enjoy the scenery! Smiley

Why, have you been there?

Thanks Corissa


I wish!  No, I haven't.  Ideally, I would like to move there someday, though.  It would be the closest thng to finding the real Atlantis.
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« Reply #103 on: April 12, 2009, 01:21:26 am »

Nice work!

Note the concentric circles on this one, like Plato's capital city:



Is this east Africa?

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« Reply #104 on: April 12, 2009, 01:47:09 pm »

Hi Corissa;

No, the alluvial map of Atlantis I, is looking at the straites of gibraltar,nw Africa,Spain,Europe,Britain,Ireland,Iceland and the Atlantic Ocean.

Atlantis is centered(pink dot) at the Josephine Seamount before the twin harbours(green dots) and the long canal.

Atlantis II, at Tanzania appears to match the map on the Cycladic Stone "frying pan" dated around 2800.bC.

The ingenious thing about that "frying pan", is that when they were used to bake a nice and warm tasty round loaf of bread for the sailors, there would be a secret map of Atlantis imprinted under the bread!!!



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