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« on: December 25, 2012, 07:02:09 pm »

 Did the Race From the City of Atlantis Discover America?




 I have already stated in general terms the hypothesis advanced by Brasseur de Bourbourg and some other writers. This may be called the “Atlantic” theory, for it attributes the civilization of Ancient America to the Atlantides or City of Atlantis, who occupied the lost “City of Atlantis.” Brasseur de Bourbourg has studied the monuments, writings, and traditions left by this civilization more carefully and thoroughly than any other man living. He has fancies which may be safely rejected, and he has theories which, doubtless, will always lack confirmation; but he has much, also, which demands respectful consideration. There is a great deal in his books to provoke criticism; those well acquainted with the antiquities and ancient speech of Egypt may] reasonably give way to a smile of incredulity while reading what he says in support of the notion that the great civilization of Egypt also came originally from this Atlantic race. Nevertheless, his volumes are important, because they furnish materials which others can use more carefully, and because he has learned to decipher some of the Central American writings and brought to view certain paths of inquiry which others may pursue with a more rigid method.
As already stated, his City of Atlantis theory of the old American civilization is, that it was originated on this continent, but on a portion of the continent which is now below the waters of the Atlantic Ocean. It supposes the continent extended, anciently, from New Granada, Central America, and Mexico in a long, irregular peninsula, so far across the Atlantic that the Canary, Madeira, and Azores or Western Islands may be remains of this portion of it. High mountains stood where we now find the West India islands. Beyond these, toward Africa and Europe, was a great extent of fertile and beautiful land, and here arose the first civilization of mankind, which flourished many ages, until at length this extended portion of the continent was ingulfed by a tremendous convulsion of nature, or by a succession of such convulsions which made the ruin complete. After the cataclysm, a part of the Atlantic people who escaped destruction settled in Central America, where perhaps their civilization had been previously introduced. The reasons urged in support of this hypothesis make it seem plausible, if not probable, to imaginative minds.

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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 07:02:39 pm »

 In the first place, Brasseur de Bourbourg claims that there is in the old Central American books a constant tradition of an immense catastrophe of the character supposed; that this tradition existed every where among the people when they first became known to Europeans; and that recollections of the catastrophe were preserved in some of their festivals, especially in one celebrated in the month of Izcalli, which was instituted to commemorate this frightful destruction of land and people, and in which “princes and people humbled themselves before the divinity, and besought Him to withhold a return of such terrible calamities.” This tradition affirms that a part of the continent extending into the Atlantic was destroyed in the manner supposed, and appears to indicate that the destruction was accomplished by a succession of frightful convulsions. Three are constantly mentioned, and sometimes there is mention of one or two others. “The land was shaken by frightful earthquakes, and the waves of the sea combined with volcanic fires to overwhelm and ingulf it.” Each convulsion swept away portions of the land, until the whole disappeared, leaving the line of the coast as it is now. Most of the inhabitants, overtaken amid their regular employments, were destroyed; but some escaped in ships, and some fled for safety to the summits of high mountains, or to portions of the land which, for the time, escaped immediate destruction. Quotations are made from the old books in which this tradition is recorded which appear to verify his report of what is found in them. To criticise intelligently his interpretation of their significance, one needs] to have a knowledge of those books and traditions equal at least to his own.
In the second place, he appeals to the story of the City of Atlantis, preserved in the annals of Egypt, and related to Solon by the priests of Sais. It is stated in Plutarch’s life of Solon that while in Egypt “he conferred with the priests of Psenophis, Sonchis, Heliopolis, and Sais, and learned from them the story of Atlantis.” Brasseur de Bourbourg cites Cousin’s translation of Plato’s record of this story as follows:
“Among the great deeds of Athens, of which recollection is preserved in our books, there is one which should be placed above all others. Our books tell that the Athenians destroyed an army which came across the Atlantic Sea, and insolently invaded Europe and Asia; for this sea was then navigable, and beyond the strait where you place the Pillars of Hercules there was an island larger than Asia [Minor] and Libya combined. From this island one could pass easily to the other islands, and from these to the continent which lies around the interior sea. The sea on this side of the strait (the Mediterranean) of which we speak resembles a harbor with a narrow entrance; but there is a genuine sea, and the land which surrounds it is a veritable continent. In the island of Atlantis reigned three kings with great and marvelous power. They had under their dominion the whole of Atlantis, several other islands, and some parts of the continent. At one time their power extended into Libya, and into Europe as far as Tyrrhenia; and, uniting their whole force, they sought to destroy our[ countries at a blow, but their defeat stopped the invasion and gave entire independence to all the countries on this side of the Pillars of Hercules. Afterward, in one day and one fatal night, there came mighty earthquakes and inundations, which ingulfed that warlike people; Atlantis disappeared beneath the sea, and then that sea became inaccessible, so that navigation on it ceased on account of the quantity of mud which the ingulfed island left in its place.”
This invasion took place many ages before Athens was known as a Greek city. It is referred to an extremely remote antiquity. The festival known as the “Lesser Panathenæa,” which, as symbolic devices used in it show, commemorated this triumph over the Atlantes, is said to have been instituted by the mythical Erichthonius in the earliest times remembered by Athenian tradition. Solon had knowledge of the Atlantes before he went to Egypt, but he heard there, for the first time, this account of their “island” and of its disappearance in a frightful cataclysm. But Atlantis is mentioned by other ancient writers. An extract preserved in Proclus, taken from a work now lost, which is quoted by Boeckh in his commentary on Plato, mentions islands in the exterior sea beyond the Pillars of Hercules, and says it was known that in one of these islands “the inhabitants preserved from their ancestors a remembrance of The City of Atlantis, an extremely large island, which for a long time held dominion over all the islands of the Atlantic Ocean.”
Brasseur de Bourbourg claims that these traditions, on both sides of the Atlantic, mean the same thing. The “island of Atlantis,” larger than Libya and Asia Minor together, was the extended portion of the American continent. These concurring traditions can not be devoid of historical significance. The constant references by ancient Greek writers to the Atlantes, who are always placed at the extremity of Europe and Africa, on the ocean which bears their name, may reasonably be regarded as vague and faded recollections of such a history connected with that ocean as that implied by what was said of their island in the annals of Egypt. In support of his view of what is meant by the traditions, he adds this philological argument:
“The words Atlas and Atlantic have no satisfactory etymology in any language known to Europe. They are not Greek, and can not be referred to any known language of the Old World. But in the Nahuatl language we find immediately the radical a, atl, which signifies water, war, and the top of the head. (Molina, Vocab. en lengua mexicana y castellana, etc.) From this comes a series of words, such as atlan, on the border of or amid the water, from which we have the adjective Atlantic. We have also atlaça, to combat or be in agony; it means likewise to hurl or dart from the water, and in the preterit makes atlaz. A city named Atlan existed when the continent was discovered by Columbus, at the entrance of the Gulf of Uraba, in Darien, with a good harbor; it is now reduced to an unimportant pueblo named Acla.”
In the third place, he quotes opinions expressed without any regard whatever to his theory to show that sci
entific men who have considered the question believe that there was formerly a great extension of the land into the Atlantic in the manner supposed. The first quotation is from Moreau de Saint-Mery’s “Description topographique et politique de la Partie Espagnole a l’Isle de Saint-Domingue,” published in 1796, as follows:
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 07:03:52 pm »

 “There are those who, in examining the map of America, do not confine themselves to thinking with the French Pliny that the innumerable islands situated from the mouth of the Orinoco to the Bahama Channel (islands which include several Grenadins not always visible in very high tides or great agitations of the sea) should be considered as summits of vast mountains whose bases and sides are covered with water, but who go farther, and suppose these islands to be the tops of the most elevated of a chain of mountains which crowned a portion of the continent whose submersion has produced the Gulf of Mexico. But to sustain this opinion it must be added that another vast surface of land which united the islands of this archipelago to the continent, from Yucatan to the mouth of the Orinoco, was submerged in the same way, and also a third surface which connected them with the peninsula of Florida and with whatever land may have constituted the northern termination; for we can not imagine that these mountains whose summits appear above water stood on the terminating line of the continent.”
He quotes, also, another authority which “can not be suspected,” namely, M. Charles Martins, who said, in the Revue des Deux Mondes for March 1, 1867, “Now, hydrography, geology, and botany agree in teaching us that the Azores, the Canaries, and Madeira are the remains of a great continent which formerly united Europe to North America.” He could have added other quotations in the same strain. Those geologists who believe that “our continents have long remained in nearly the same relative position” would probably give the supposed change a much greater antiquity than Brasseur de Bourbourg would be likely to accept; and the geological “Uniformitarians” would deny with emphasis that so great a change in the shape of a continent was ever effected by such means, or with such rapidity as he supposes. But the latest and most advanced school of geological speculation does not exclude “Catastrophism,” and, therefore, will not deny the possibility of sudden and great changes by this method.
Doubtless the antiquity of the human race is much greater than is usually assumed by those whose views of the past are still regulated by mediæval systems of chronology. Archæology and linguistic science, not to speak here of geology, make it certain that the period between the beginning of the human race and the birth of Christ would be more accurately stated if the centuries counted in the longest estimate of the rabbinical chronologies should be changed to millenniums. And they present also another fact, namely, that the antiquity of civilization is very great, and suggest that in remote ages it may have existed, with important developments, in regions of the earth now described as barbarous, and even, as Brasseur de Bourbourg supposes, on ancient continents or[ portions of continents now out of sight below the surface of the oceans. The representation of some speculators that the condition of the human race since its first appearance on earth has been a condition of universal and hopeless savagery down to a comparatively modern date, is an assumption merely, an unwarranted assumption used in support of an unproved and unprovable theory of man’s origin. Its use in the name of science by advocates of this theory, like the theory itself, shows that the constructive power of fancy and imagination will sometimes supersede every thing else, and substitute its ingenious constructions for legitimate conclusions, even in scientific speculation.
We may claim reasonably that Brasseur de Bourbourg’s Atlantic theory is not proved, and on this ground refuse to accept it. So far as appears, it is a fanciful theory which can not be proved. No one is under obligation to attempt disproving it. It may, in some cases, win supporters by enlisting in its favor all the forces of imagination, to which it appeals with seductive plausibility. On the other hand, it will be rejected without much regard to what can be said in its favor, for it interferes with current unreasoning beliefs concerning antiquity and ancient history, and must encounter vehement contradiction from habits of thought fixed by these beliefs. True, some of the stock views of antiquity, by which it will be earnestly opposed, are themselves far more destitute of foundation in either fact or reason; but this will make no difference, as the habit of never allowing them to be subjected to the searching power of reason does not permit such persons either to believe or deny any thing connected with this topic in a reasonable manner.
Some of the uses made of this theory can not endure criticism. For instance, when he makes it the basis of an assumption that all the civilization of the Old World went originally from America, and claims particularly that the supposed “Atlantic race” created Egypt, he goes quite beyond reach of the considerations used to give his hypothesis a certain air of probability. It may be, as he says, that for every pyramid in Egypt there are a thousand in Mexico and Central America, but the ruins in Egypt and those in America have nothing in common. The two countries were entirely different in their language, in their styles of architecture, in their written characters, and in the physical characteristics of their earliest people, as they are seen sculptured or painted on the monuments. An Egyptian pyramid is no more the same thing as a Mexican pyramid than a Chinese pagoda is the same thing as an English light-house. It was not made in the same way, nor for the same uses. The ruined monuments show, in generals and in particulars, that the original civilizers in America were profoundly different from the ancient Egyptians. The two peoples can not explain each other.
This, however, does not require us to assert positively that the Central American “Colhuas” and the legendary Atlantes could not possibly have been the same people, or people of the same race. Room may be left for any amount of conjecture not inconsistent with known facts, without making it necessary to accept a theory of the origin of the old Mexican race which at present can neither be proved nor disprove.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 06:57:11 pm »

Dear Stacey,

Probably you're right , for you information The first discoveries of new Continents, were the Portuguese, the discovery of Madeira was the jump to new discoveries, the First
discovery , was the island of Porto Santo (1418), by João Gonçalves Zarco(born in the Villa of Cuba in Portugal, and Tristan Vaz Teixeira, then the island of Madeira (1419),
with Perestrelo accompanying new João Gonçalves Zarco.

Later the Portuguese discovered Africa - India - Oceania - China - Japan - Brazil, possibly this journey, the explorers were not solely to try to find a new route to the spices of the East, but possibly looking the Lost Continent of Atlantis.

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 07:01:30 pm »

And of course the Islands of Azores, to. . .
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2013, 01:33:51 am »

I'm of the opinion that the Azores, Canaries and Madeiras were all remnants of Atlantis, as the old theory goes.
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"This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together..."
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2013, 10:45:20 am »

Hi Helios ,
I think you're right , but please open the link below until the end , and look near Madeira the Image from Google Maps , left side
of the Madeira Island the Atlantis , it's very clear. . .open until the end. . .

www.mapasruasestradas.com/portugal-/Madeira/
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2014, 11:37:07 pm »

Stacey-- There are old stories stating that when Atlantis went down one of the many boats that escaped was captained by Wotan (Odin), the Northern Buddha, or Fire King, and landed in what is now Massachusetts area where the first Thanksgiving was held (11,000 years ago give or take a few) in gratitude for making it to solid ground, which led to the tradition of celebrating that feast until now. Supposedly when Quetzalcoatl visited the Indigenous peoples of that area, in what is now New England, 2000 or so years ago he celebrated their tradition of Thanksgiving with them, and they related to him the story of the feast's ancient tradition, even then. Also the name "America" might hold a key, for the name itself might mean 'A" (Towards) "mer" (Sea) "ica" (or ichka [fire]) which would then mean "towards the sea fire" or sunset, and the name would have originated in Atlantis to describe that land which was to them towards the setting sun. Also the Ojibways (Chippewas) refer to themselves as being members of the turtle clan and Turtle Island was Atlantis, for it was always in motion like an animal on the waters due to its volcanic and earthquake nature.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 03:54:01 am »

Hi TWGilbert, thanks for the information, I have long believed that linguistics might hold the key to much of this. Where do you set Atlantis at, incidentally?
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 04:40:24 pm »

Stacey---Having no background what-so-ever in geophysics or earth sciences I am completely in the dark when it comes to any scientific explanation regarding where Atlantis may have been. However I am inclined to follow L. Taylor Hansen's concept (Her book "The Ancient Atlantic) that there were island chains running almost pole to pole down the center of the Atlantic basin that were the lands of Atlantis. Scientifically speaking there are huge questions regarding this evaluation as the current evidence just doesn't add up.............However, knowing what I know (or think I know) about the celestial rulers of this level of materialization, Metaphysically speaking, Matter is plastic in the "hands" of these principles, and therefore adjustments (big and small) in both of the fields of "time and space" to suit their interests are a piece of cake. So looking at the descendants world wide who escaped the deluge and where they ended up (with language fragments, dances, foods, customs, religious traditions, etc), the most logical conclusion I can come to is that the Hansen description fits best, but I'm completely open to ALL discussion on the topic.

Oh, I hope to get my sister to add something fascinating here (her rendition), though I will try to paraphrase her story. She moved to Italy with her husband about 9 years ago and settled with him in Northern Italy right on the coast. He (her husband) was returning home to where he had been raised. My sister took 3 years of Italian to learn the language and become fluent to really fit it. When she and her husband moved there the town's people gave them both a huge welcoming party, and all of the town's folk gave them many presents. But each family provided them with one thing that they all gave, an old family recipe on how to prepare OLIVES. Each recipe was entirely different and various and unique in its style and preparation.......... except for one detail, the first step in the process: that the olives should to be soaked in salt water brine for forty days. My sister told me that none of the indigenous people there even noticed this unusual fact as being in any way significant (maybe because it was such an "under the nose" obvious traditional thing in their culture). But that unusual fact of 40 days hit my sister like a ton of bricks, for the implications are absolutely astounding. Ain't that marvelous?
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2014, 01:04:27 am »

On the bright side, isn't Mediterranean cooking the best? I actually think that the Etruscans might have some relationship with Atlantis. Think of it, no one really knows where they came from and Italia and Atlantia sound similar!
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2014, 07:34:45 am »

Yes they do sound similar.............. the universal telephone game of the oral tradition!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2014, 11:52:29 pm »

I'm thinking actually that the Atlanteans had more to do with the Caribbean and South America other than North America, though. Other than some pyramids in the Florida area, there isn't much evidence of them venturing inland too much.
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2014, 09:24:04 am »

With the gulf stream set up the way it is, the eastern side of the Atlantic basin is much more hospitable than the western side of the basin regarding climate and winters, so our country may have been avoided for these reasons except by those who were more adventurous and hearty; and there may have been archeological evidence that has been knocked down and/or buried due to the periodic seismic activity of the central parts of the US.

Central US fault line areas

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/missouri/history.php

http://www.rotrmagazine.com/index_files/earthquakesnearstl.html
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2014, 11:29:53 pm »

Thanks for the links! Now that you mention it, I do remember reading something about a tribe of Indians with genetic qualities that traced back to the Europeans, but I can't remember the name of the tribe. That would seem to indicate some kind of land in the middle of the Atlantic!
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