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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2010, 10:31:29 am »

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Lonestar, you are studying things on your own and coming to your own conclusions.  You said "my expert" made a claim about your knowledge of geological terms, a claim which was ludicrously false.  The thing is, a professional does use the proper terminology and when someone doesn't, it sends up a flag saying that person is NOT a professional.  You may very well be familiar with geological terms, however, when a professional reads your hypothesis or listens to your video, he realizes immediately that you are not one, by your use of, or lack of use of, technological terms.  Therefore, if you are not a professional, you are considered "fringe".  I guess you would have to prove your hypothesis to change that categorization. 

Ludicrously false? Hmmm, coming from you, I can only laugh. For instance, your definition and his for "red herring" is pretty loopy. Calling my discussion of the Philippines in my video a "red herring" is ludicrous because it is not "a distraction from what is significant" (the definition of "red herring"), but is in fact the significance (the meat) of the video. The Philippines are an archipelago of islands in what would otherwise be empty ocean. Why? Because the Philippines were formed in a similar fashion to how Atlantis was formed (if it existed). The point of any comparison is to show how things are similar and how they differ. And that is why the Philippines were included. Calling its inclusion to be a "red herring" was ironically a red herring in itself — a distraction from the significance of whether Atlantis could have geologically existed.

Your "expert" friend commented about the terms used in the video not being the terms professionals use. That was also a red herring. Why? Because the video was never intended to be a professional treatise on the subject, but a broad public tool to get an idea across. If your "expert" had cared to check, my online article has plenty of more technical terms and plenty of sources of scientific data. His use of "rebound," calls into question his own professional understanding. My PDF article on the "Geology of Atlantis" points out that "rebound" is a misnomer because there is much more going on than merely "rebounding." The growing consensus is that the preferred term includes "adjustment" rather than rebound. But in a video to laypeople, "rebound" is easier to understand. Qoais, you and your "expert," are judging my understanding based on a false premise — that my video is a scientific treatise, which it was never intended to be. Shame, shame!

However, even if you were correct in your ideas - Even if there was an impact event of the magnitude you describe where water could be ejected into outer space without destroying the earth - even if the tectonic plates got stuck at a certain point - this does not prove the existence of Atlantis.  You say you are grading people on their arguments against Atlantis and you've given everyone so far a poor mark.  All you are doing is grading them on their writing abilities.  They all write an essay and you grade their work.  Are you a frustrated teacher or something?  Perhaps this is your way of mocking everyone else??

There have been numerous illustrations of the K-T event of 65 Mya (when the dinosaurs were destroyed). Some of those illustrations (likely all following what scientists told the artists) show water from the ocean being splashed several hundred kilometers into space. Shooting someone with a bullet could splash blood several meters from the point of impact, but it would not explode the person.

You say these things don't prove Atlantis. I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, in case you've missed it, I'll repeat my opinion again: I believe Atlantis could have been a complete fiction. Got it? We simply do not have enough proof either way.

Yes, I've given poor marks, because their arguments against Atlantis were atrocious. Grading them on their writing abilities? No, Qoais. Your logic is slipping, again. Or perhaps you did not read carefully enough the "Grading Methodology." I was grading them on their arguments, which like many of yours and those of your "expert," were full of holes and logical fallacies.

Qoais, it sounds as though you're taking all this too personally. "Frustrated teacher?" No. A "way of mocking everyone else?" No. If you had read more carefully, you would have seen the open invitation to come up with something better in the way of an argument against Atlantis. I still welcome it. The only frustration on my part is the lame excuse some people have for "logic." I merely gave points where it was due, and subtracted points where it was needed.

So grade my answer to the existence of Atlantis, and why it didn't.

All crap aside, and never mind if I've used capital letters in the correct place or used the proper syntax.  Just based on what I've said regarding the things I've searched out:

what grade do I get?  I'm not ridiculing anyone, I'm not calling anyone down, I'm not insulting anyone, I'm just stating the reasons why Atlantis couldn't have existed as Plato tells it, in the timeline he gives it, based on science. 

If I am wrong in my interpretation of the scientific facts, I do apologize. Please correct me where I'm wrong.

Personally, I think your arguments against Atlantis are far better than those of all the skeptical websites I've graded so far, combined! Yet, I'd still give you a C-minus. Why? Too many logical fallacies. You're jumping to too many erroneous conclusions, like thinking that the earliest known dates of various inventions prove anything with regard to Atlantis.

Capital letters? Come on, Qoais! Capitalization and spelling had no part in the grading. Any other errors of form had minor impact on the grading, but only those things that affected the overall argument. Even bad grammar was not included in the grading.

If you could give me the URL's of websites that have the raw data of deep ocean cores in the Northeast Atlantic, especially along the Africa-Eurasia tectonic plate boundary and north of the boundary within say 500 kilometers, I'd give you at least an A-minus, even if the remainder of your argument was full of logical fallacies. See, I'm happy to give good grades for good work.  Wink
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