What Lies After Death?

[Dawn Moline]

What Lies After Death?

It is a complicated question, one where seemingly only faith seems to supply the answers, and which our own evidence happens to be very scant. Near death experiences tell us that there is some kind of light, déjà vu might be evidence for reincarnation.

But what are the laws concerning reincarnation, the light, and heaven and hell?

If there is no such world that lies beyond, why do people sometimes see ghosts of people who died?

Let us explore this world, in this thread, what we know of it, and make some sense of it all.

Cheers,

Dawn

[Triadtropz]

Not to throw cold water on this, but what if we just stop?

The universe may have an "intelligent design" if we first look at it, but not really.  It may seem orderly, but that is because we actually have no real frame of reference as to what is orderly and what is not.

[larsonstdoc]

Not certain that ghosts are proof of the afterlife.  If they existed beyond all dout, wouldn't everyone then be seeing them?  It seems like the one who most do are the overwrought.

[Tom Hebert]

Hi Dawn,

You asked, "What are the laws concerning reincarnation?"  I see it as God giving us yet one more chance to get it right.  We may or may not choose to take advantage of that opportunity.

Tom

[Mandy Esser]

That's exactly how I view reincarnation, as sort of a test that you have to repeat to get it right.  Wonder if it is voluntary or not?  Or what happens to you when you finally do get it right?

[Qoais]

Here's the theory.

The system of reincarnation was developed because entities that were at one time totally spiritually enlightened and without flaw, introduced themselves into this dimensional world and became stuck in it's grossness.  (Not meaning icky goo goo)  Meaning density. (ok - maybe icky goo goo afterall!  )  Having become stuck in the living creatures they'd manifested themselves in, they could now not get back to their previous state which we would I suppose, call a spiritual entity, rather than a solid one.  Having become stuck, they were no longer able to be in the presence of "God"  which is the ultimate goal of all beings that were created by God.  To not be able to be in His presence was hell.

Not all the entities that God created, became stuck here.  If one takes what Edgar Cayce said, then the entity known to us as Jesus, at an earlier time - much earlier - when these entities got stuck, got together with other like minded entities and developed the plan called reincarnation so that no soul was condemned to never be able to stand in the presence of their Father.  To get back to their spiritual being-ness if you will, the road was very long and arduous.  We read in the Bible where people lived longer lives.  Personally, I think the plan was, that the longer you lived, the more you learned toward regaining your spiritual condition, however, that's not how it worked, and the life span was shortened, so that one could better cope with all the lessons one needs to learn in order to reach that ultimate goal again. 

As we proceed through these lifetimes, we interact with others and depending on how we treat them and behave towards them, we create what is known as Karmic debt.  If we treat someone wrong in one lifetime, somewhere along the line, we will have to repay that debt.  All the good we do is added up as well until there comes a lifetime where we have no lessons left to learn and our Karmic debt is paid.  Then we no longer have to reincarnate. 

It is my belief that if we could life the golden rule we would be well on our way to not having to come back.  At least not to earth.  I think there are other realms that we must pass through also, before we reach perfection in the eyes of the Creator.  Although that statement in itself - to me - is contrary to what I myself deem is God.  Whether I am right or wrong, I won't know until I do die, and I am not afraid of death.  I'm afraid of getting old and senile and crippled

[Qoais]

The entities that first entered the earth plane, entered into the animals that existed and could not get out.  That does not mean they were not still aware of what they had been, and they had not lost all the knowledge they had of the universe.  They did gradually forget their origins over time, but having realized they were stuck here, and knowing they had to work to get back to their origins, they tried to devise and manifest physical bodies that would accommodate the work they had to do, to get back their spiritual selves.  Eventually, after many trials and tribulations, they concluded this form we call human was the perfect one and worked to perfect it.  It must be realized that in those times, the work was done with the mind.  The mind projected and manifested what it projected.  Eventually that ability was lost.  In his works somewhere, and I've mentioned this before, Cayce talks about the first perfect human being born in Egypt when he was Ra Ta, the priest there in some long ago lifetime, that had no extra appendages such as fins or a tail.

[Qoais]

Here's a link to one of Bianca's old threads.

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,557.0.html

[Qoais]

I did not realize Dr. Stevenson had passed away three years ago, it came as a surprise to me.  Not that I've followed him over the years, but I did read his books years ago and was totally in awe of the things he recorded.  I was impress at the time because he could have lost his job and reputation for studying the paranormal back in those days.

Since the 1960s, Dr. Stevenson and his colleagues at the University of Virginia have amassed a collection of around 2,500 cases that are suggestive of reincarnation. These cases come from all over the globe, although a majority of them are from South Asian countries with cultures and religions that tend to hold a belief in the possibility of reincarnation such as India, Sri Lanka, Southwest China, and Myanmar ( Burma ). The most interesting cases tend to involve a child around 2 to 3 years old that, upon learning to speak, seems to be able to recall people, places, events, and/or personal memories that the child could not have known about through conventional means, suggesting that the child is remembering the life of another person. In many cases, it is learned upon investigation that some of the child's memories can correspond quite well with the life of a deceased individual (whom Dr. Stevenson often called "the previous personality, " used only as labeling term) that frequently had met with a tragic or violent death.

[Qoais]

Here's a link to one of Bianca's old threads regarding Karma:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,2659.0.html

[Kofi Easterling]

How do we know that Cayce has it right?  Does what he say compare favorably with what other psychics say about reincarnation?

[Qoais]

I really don't know, as I've not followed other psychics.  I did read Dr. Stevenson's books, and I poked my nose into the Eastern religions that believe in reincarnation, but not enough to be an authority on it or anything.  I think it's better to learn about it from the "belief or religious connotation" than from a psychic source. 

I think one has to be careful in the psychic field because there are what is known as "spirit guides" which I think are not always guiding for the best good, even though they say they are. 

[no thing]

Another perspective on what may occur after (one of many ) death(s)

During their century after century of practicing sorcery, the Toltecs discovered certain ‘laws’ of the universe. For them, the transition between this existence and the next consists of two major events; the first event is a review of one’s life, e.g. ‘your life passes before your eyes’ and the second event is the consumption of your awareness by what they term to be ‘The Eagle’.

Their understanding of the first ‘law’ (life review) allowed them to ‘see’ that the ‘law’ is most often evoked just prior to death, but that the time this event occurs is NOT a requirement of the law, i.e. you can choose to perform this at any point in your life. Death just happens to be convenient time since the life review event is required to be thorough, and it WILL happen before you die. If a person elects to fulfill this ‘law’ at a time of their own choosing, the life review is ongoing after the initial ‘massive effort’ required to get you ‘up to speed/current’. The Toltecs use the practice of recapitulation to satisfy this ‘law’, but there are other ‘benefits’ gained from this practice.

So why do they go to all of this effort? The answer is to regain and purify as much of their energy as possible for use in this lifetime, and to work towards retention of awareness from life to life. When they perform recapitulation, they are re-living their interactions with every individual they have ever met (hence the massive effort). During the recapitulation, the energy expended or received during the interaction(s) is addressed (energy expended into the event is reclaimed and negative energy that was attached during the event is released). This satisfies the life review and allows them to regain the energy lost and purify their own energy ‘egg’ (light body) by removing the negative energy attached to it. In regards to the Eagle, it allows the ‘awareness’ to be shared but retained (i.e. the awareness still flows to The Eagle satisfying the ‘law’ but it is now retained energetically).

Again, why all the effort? Our cyclical appearances on Mother Earth (our current classroom) are needed for us experience, grow, and ultimately graduate. Thoth too describes similar cycles of existence and that we move from this cycle of existence to the next (where our next round of lessons begins) after we have elevated/purified/raised our vibration/frequency/light to the level required to move to the next cycle/dimension/vibrational level. Imagine being able to retain your understanding and the wisdom you have gained during this lifetime. The next visit to the physical realm would allow you to build upon this knowledge and not start over from scratch, accelerating your ability to leave this cycle.

At this point you have likely realized this can be used to carry forward either polarity into the next incarnation but this is another can of worms….

ILAL

no thing

[Dawn Moline]

Have we ever achieved any kind of consensus to what lies beyond, and how it all works?

I would like to go to these other realms that Qoais spoke of, and yet I wonder if we have to first be worthy of them.  Human beings are so complicated, who can even judge if we have led a good life or a bad one?  Most people are not good or bad, but rather shades of gray.

Cheers,

Dawn

[Tom Hebert]

Have we ever achieved any kind of consensus to what lies beyond, and how it all works?

I would like to go to these other realms that Qoais spoke of, and yet I wonder if we have to first be worthy of them.  Human beings are so complicated, who can even judge if we have led a good life or a bad one?  Most people are not good or bad, but rather shades of gray.

Cheers,

Dawn

No, there's no consensus, but the channeled accounts are amazingly consistent and well as the testimonies of those who have died and come back.

One thing important to understand is that there is no real death but just leaving a shell behind.  In fact, many people who have made the transition don't even realize they have died until many years later.  This could explain the phenomenon of haunted houses.

As I understand it, no one judges us.  We judge ourselves.  For example, if you took advantage of people in this lifetime, you get a chance to experience what it's like to be taken advantage of and judge for yourself if it's a good thing.  That's how soul growth works.

Tom