Dreamland

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Dreamland (Part 1)

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                 ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-1.ASC) *****
                             November 11, 1989

         ParaNet  Information Service (Denver, CO)--This evening  saw
    perhaps an unprecedented event in UFOlogy.  KLAS-TV in Las Vegas,
    Nevada  has  been airing a UFO special during  the  evening  news
    which began on Monday dealing with the UFO mystery and  cover-up.

         The series,  which  has  been  covered  by ParaNet, began its
    coverage with  a  history of UFOs beginning in the late 1940s  and
    moving forward  through  the  numerous  sighting  reports  to  the
    cattle mutilations,  which was aired last evening.  As promised
    at  the close  of  last  evening's  show,  George  Knapp,  a  news
    anchorman  for Channel   8   in  Vegas,  stated  that a scientific
    person  would  be featured on tonight's program who has claimed to
    work at Area  51, the  government's  super-secret  test  range  at
    Nevada Test Site  at Mercury, Nevada.

         Indeed,  quite a story was told by Robert Lazar,  a physicist
    who claimed  that   he  had  worked  on  a  project  at   Area  51
    involving flying disks provided by alien intelligences.

         Over the last year, ParaNet has carried stories relating  to
    possible  involvement  with the government in  projects  of  this
    nature at the Nevada test site.  Up to now, the stories have been
    of a very speculative nature.  Although the material presented by
    Robert  Lazar  remains unconfirmed, enough information  has  been
    disclosed that ParaNet's large investigative staff in Nevada  has
    started an intensive investigation into this release. Both  Lazar
    (formerly  known  only  as "Dennis") and Lear  have  appeared  on
    Channel  8 -- Lear appearing on numerous occasions together  will
    Bill Cooper discussing Lear's famous 'ET Hypothesis.'

         On a  past KLAS-TV  report,  Lear was shown to have  traveled
    to  locations appearing   to  overlook   the   test   site   which
    purportedly provided  a  good  view of the objects  as  they  flew
    into the night  sky.   Lear attempted  to shoot video of an object
    as it  maneuvered   through the  night  sky  during  last  summer,
    however nothing was  captured  on  the   tape   of  a  substantive
    nature.  Lear also  relates   that   his group  was  harassed by a
    Lincoln County  sheriff   following   his  attempts  to  take  the
    pictures.

         Below  is  a  transcript  of the  program  that  aired  this
    evening.   All paragraphs out of quotes are the narrator  of  the
    segment.   We were as accurate as possible on the  transcription,
    however  there are a couple of places where comments were  edited
    out due to inability to understand what was being said.

         Further  reports  will be provided  as  information  becomes
    available.
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         We've  been  working  on  the  story  for  some  time....UFO
    researchers  claim that there is a secret government  within  our
    government.  Now this may be hard to believe coming from the  UFO
    perspective,  but  we have learned that Watergate  and  the  Iran
    Contra  scandal  that factions within our government can  and  do
    pursue  their own hidden agendas outside of the law; outside  the
    control of the Congress or the knowledge of the American  people.
    This is exactly the type of operation that we hear about tonight.
    It's  a  chilling scenario with worldwide implications  that  may
    have its roots right here [Las Vegas, Nevada].

         Area 51, that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site,  is
    no  longer considered a secret.  The fact that  secretive  things
    go on here isn't evident; even to the Soviets who make daily  spy
    flights  over  the facility to take a peek at  what's  going  on.
    These photos, never before shown in public, are about as close as
    anyone will ever come to seeing what the place looks like  again.
    The dry bed at Groom Lake, the corrugated buildings, a three-mile
    long  runway  and some highly sophisticated radar  and  detection
    equipment.   Its  been  known by many names  over  the  years  --
    Dreamland; The Ranch; The Skunk Works.  If ever there was a place
    to  test  the  secret new technology, this  is  it.   And  that's
    exactly what has been done here for decades.

         Area  51  is  where Francis Gary Powers and  the  other  U-2
    pilots  were trained in the 50s.  And, where the U-2  itself  was
    developed.   The SR-71 spy plane that spotted Soviet missiles  in
    Cuba  in  the early 60s were also developed at 51.  51  is  where
    Stealth  technology  was nurtured, where Star  Wars  devices  are
    still tested, and where all manner of CIA [unknown] business  has
    been  plotted  and refined.  It's the perfect  place  for  secret
    things,  but  of course, that's no secret.  51 is ringed  by  the
    forbidden vastness of the Nevada test site; by the looming  Groom
    Mountain  and  by sparsely populated desert  expanses.   But  the
    people that do live out here have no love lost for the  military,
    but  they're  conservative,  patriotic and they  mind  their  own
    business.

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Interviewer questioning  a  nearby  resident of Area 51:  "Ever
                   see something that you can't explain?"

       Resident: "Sure, lots of times."

       Interviewer:  "Care to elaborate?"

       Resident:  "No."  (Laughter).

         On  any given night at the Rachel Bar and Grill,  you  might
    find  three or four people who work at Area 51.  They  are  among
    the flowing Budweiser and the cowboy hats.  You might find  them,
    but  they  are not going to talk to.  Not about the  things  that
    they have seen over the mountain.  A steady trickle of curiosity-
    seekers  flows through here; strangers, drawn by strange  stories
    of lights in the night sky.  Their questions also go  unanswered.
    No one who has worked at Dreamland has ever publicly acknowledged
    what  so  many  people  have suspected  for  years:   That  alien
    technology is being tested in the Nevada desert.

         The speculation first surfaced in documents obtained by  UFO
    researchers.  Documents about something called Project  Aquarius.
    The document allegedly prepared for an organization called MJ-12,
    states  that  a  program to fly recovered  alien  spacecraft  was




    established  in 1972 and is continuing in Nevada.   The  National
    Security Agency has confirmed it does have a Project Aquarius but
    denies that it has anything to do with flying saucers.  NSA  will
    not say what Project Aquarius is.

         Speculation  was  heightened  in 1984, when  the  Air  Force
    seized nearly 90,000 acres around Groom Lake.  The action was, by
    most accounts, illegal.  During Congressional hearings about  the
    land grab, Congressman John Siberling grilled the military  about
    the legal authority used in the action and was told the authority
    was   at  a  much,  much  higher  level  than  the   Air   Force.
    Siberling  asked  what authority is higher than the laws  of  the
    United States?  The Air Force official said he could respond, but
    only in a closed briefing.  In 1987, when the Air Force sought to
    renew  its  stranglehold on the Groom range, news  articles  once
    again  mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft  and  subsequent
    articles  in  national magazines quoted  un-named  sources  about
    things of alien origin flying in Nevada.  Things that would  make
    film-maker  George Lucas drool.  Despite the speculation, no  one
    who  knew Area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly about  the
    saucer story.

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Bob  Lazar:  "Well, there's several uh, actually nine  uh  flying
    saucers,  flying  disks that are out  there  of  extraterrestrial
    origin."   The  live  interview with the  shadowy  "Dennis"  drew
    international attention.  Portions were broadcast by radio in six
    European  countries, and in a nationally televised TV special  in
    Japan.

         Despite  numerous  inquiries  and  "feelers,"  "Dennis"  has
    remained anonymous until now.  His real name is Robert Lazar.   A
    young scientist with eclectic interests.  The choice of  "Dennis"
    was an inside joke -- he says that's the name of his superior  at
    Groom Lake.  It wasn't a joke to Dennis.

    Lazar:   "He called right after and said, 'Do you have  any  idea
    what we're going to do to you now?' and I said no, and he hung up
    the phone."

         Lazar's  story is by any standard, fantastic.  He says  he's
    telling it in order to protect himself.  He said he was hired  to
    work in area called S-4 which is a few miles south of Groom Lake.
    At  S-4,  he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter  reactors  and
    other  working  examples of technology that is  seemingly  beyond
    human capabilities.

    Lazar:  "Right.  This stuff came from somewhere else.  I know  it
    is  hard to believe, but it is there and I saw it.  I  know  what
    the  current  state-of-the-art is in physics and it it  can't  be
    done."

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Checking  out Lazar's credentials proved to be  a  difficult
    task.   He says he holds degrees in physics and electronics,  but
    the schools that we contacted say they've never heard of him.  He
    says  he  also  worked  as a physicist  at  Los  Alamos  National
    Labs  where  he worked with one of the world's  largest  particle
    beam  accelerators,  a  half-mile  long  'behemoth'  capable   of
    generating  seven-hundred  million volts.  Los  Alamos  officials
    told  us they have no record of Robert Lazar ever working  there.
    They were either mistaken or were lying.  A 1982 phone book  from
    the  Lab lists Lazar right there among the other  scientists  and
    technicians.  A 1982 news clipping from the Los Alamos  newspaper




    profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars.  It, too,  mentioned
    his  employment at the Lab as a physicist.  We called Los  Alamos
    again,  and  an  exasperated official told us  he  still  had  no
    records  on  Lazar.   EG&G,  which is where  Lazar  says  he  was
    interviewed  for the job at S-4, also has no record.  It's as  if
    someone has made him disappear.

    Lazar:  "Well, they're trying to make me look non-existent to the
    places that I called...."

    Interviewer:  "Explain.  Called where?"

    Lazar:   "Well, the schools that I went to; the hospital  that  I
    was born at; past jobs, and nothing comes up with my name on it."

         He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing must
    sound  ridiculous.   According  to Lazar, his  employer  was  the
    United  States Navy.  He says he and other  government  employees
    would gather near EG&G, fly to Groom Lake, then a very few people
    would get into a bus with blacked out or no windows and drive  to
    S-4.

    Interviewer:  "You get off the bus, what do you see?"

    Lazar:   "A  very  interesting  building.  Its  got  a  slope  of
    probably  about  30 degrees which are hangar doors,  and  it  has
    textured paint on it, but it looks like sand.  It's made to  look
    like  the  side of the mountain that it is in,  whether  it's  to
    disguise it from satellite photographs or what...."

         He  says he was never told exactly what he would be  working
    on, but figured it had something to do with advanced  propulsion.
    On  his first day he was told to read a series of briefings,  and
    immediately realized how advanced the propulsion really was.

    Lazar:   "The power source is an anti-matter reactor.   They  run
    gravity  amplifiers.   There is actually two parts to  the  drive
    mechanism.   It's  a bizarre technology.  There  is  no  physical
    hookups between any of the systems in there.  They use gravity as
    a wave using wave guides that look like microwaves."

         It  took awhile, Lazar says, before he actually saw  one  of
    the flying disks, however there were hints everywhere.

    Lazar:   "Right.   They  had  a poster,  and  it  looked  like  a
    commercial  poster, like it was lithographed, like you could  buy
    it  at K-Mart or someplace, but they were all over the place  and
    it  had the disk that I coined the term 'the floor  model'  which
    lifted  off the ground about 3 feet out at the area, in  the  Dry
    Lakes  area,  and the caption on it said 'They're  here.'   These
    posters were all over the place."

         Later, he got to see the real thing.

    Lazar:  "When I was led in, it was the first time that I saw  the
    'floor  model'  in the hangar sitting down, and I was  told  they
    could have walked me in the front door but they purposely  wanted
    to walk me by it.  I was told not to say anything and to keep  my
    eyes  forward and walk past the disk to the office area.   And  I
    did.   And as we went by it, I just kinda stuck my hands  on  it,
    just to run it alongside the thing and uh ....After that I got to
    see actually lift off the ground and operate."




    Interviewer:  "You actually got to see more than one?"

    Lazar:   "Yeah.  The hangars are all connected  together.   There
    are large bay doors between each one.  There were nine total that
    I  saw, each one being different.  Like they had  the  assortment
    pack."

         Security at S-4 was oppressive Lazar said, and his superiors
    used fear and intimidation almost as a brainwashing tool.

    Lazar:  "They did everything but physically hurt me."

    Interviewer:  "They put a gun to your head?"

    Lazar:  "Yeah."

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Interviewer:  "You mean they actually put a gun to your head?"

    Lazar:   "They did that even in the original  security  briefing.
    Guards there with M-16s.  Guys there slamming their fingers  into
    my  chest, screaming into my ear, they were pointing  weapons  at
    me.  Like I said, it's not a good place to work."

         That  fear  factor  would surface later.   Lazar  agreed  to
    undergo a polygraph exam as part of this report.  Polygrapher Ron
    Clay asked about the technology that Lazar had seen.

    Polygrapher:   "Did you knowingly lie when you had actually  seen
    anti-gravity propulsion in operation?"

    Lazar:  "No."

         The results of this exam were inconclusive.  Lazar  appeared
    to  be  truthful  on  one test;  deceitful  on  a  second.   Clay
    recommended  that a second examiner be brought  in.   Polygrapher
    Terry Tabernetti (sp?) runs a corporate security operation and is
    a  former Los Angeles police officer.  He put Lazar through  four
    tests and concluded there were no attempts to deceive.

         Tabernetti sent his test results to a third polygrapher  who
    agreed the results appeared truthful.  The charts were then  sent
    to  a  fourth examiner who did not agree  suggesting  that  Lazar
    might  be  relating information he'd learned from  someone  else.
    The  polygraphers  concurred and decided they would not  issue  a
    final  statement on truthfulness until more specific testing  can
    be conducted.  And that's where it stands.

         Tabernetti  believes the difficulty in  determining  Lazar's
    truthfulness stems from the fear that was drilled into him.

    Lazar:  "Well, I am telling the truth.  I've tried to prove that.
    What's  going  on up there could be the most important  event  in
    history.   You're  talking about contact,  physical  contact  and
    proof from another planet, another system, another  intelligence.
    Thats got to be the biggest event in history, period.  And,  it's
    real  and it's there.  And I had an extremely small part  in  it.
    I'm  convinced that what I saw is absolute proof of that.   There
    is  no way that we could have created those disks.  There  is  no
    way  we could have made the disks, the power  supplies,  anything
    that goes with it."

         Lazar  says he has no intention of going on any UFO  lecture

[Jennifer Murdoch]

circuit.  He is not looking to do any additional interviews.   In
    fact, he was not too crazy about doing this one.  He did it after
    certain unfavorable things started happening in his life, and  he
    did it because he feels that whoever is running the show up at S-
    4  is  perpetrating  a  fraud on  the  American  people  and  the
    scientific community.

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[Jennifer Murdoch]

Dreamland (Part 2)

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                 ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-2.ASC) *****

    November 13, 1989

         ParaNet   Information  Service  (Denver,  CO)  --   In   our
    continuing  coverage of the remarkable revelations coming out  of
    Las  Vegas, Nevada, here is the next installment to  the  program
    aired  on  November 13, 1989 by television  station  KLAS-TV  and
    George Knapp.

    =================================================================

    News Anchor persons:

         A  former  government scientist has alleged  that  the  U.S.
    military is flying recovered UFOs at a secret base in the  Nevada
    desert.  The allegations about the secret facility near the Groom
    Mountains  first  surfaced  on Eyewitness  News  on  last  Friday
    [November 10, 1989].

         Scientist Bob Lazar says that there are at least nine of the
    flying  saucers  being  tested and that they were  not  built  on
    Earth.   George Knapp has more on the continuation of our  series
    on UFOs.

    Lazar:   "Yeah.  It was obvious it came from somewhere else,  uh,
    other than Earth."

         Scientist Bob Lazar was convinced that the technology he saw
    being  tested at a secret base in the Nevada desert is  of  alien
    origin,  and for Lazar the proof is, at least, partially  in  the
    furniture.   One of the nine flying disks he says he saw  at  the
    base,  which  was  designated S-4, looks exactly  like  this  UFO
    photographed  in Europe [Photo of UFO shown].   Lazar  called  it
    the "sport model."

[Jennifer Murdoch]

    Lazar:  "I gave everything names -- the top hat one and you  know
    the  jello  mold and, uh, the sport model  operated  without  any
    hitches  at  all.  I mean, it looked new.  If I knew what  a  new
    flying  saucer looked like.  One of them looked like it  was  hit
    with  some  sort  of a projectile.  It had a large  hole  in  the
    bottom  and a large hole in the top with the metal bent out  like
    some  sort  of,  you know, large caliber 4 or  5  inch  had  gone
    through it."

         Even  before he saw the sport model operate, Lazar says,  he
    suspected   that  the  ship  came  from  somewhere   else.    The
    realization  slapped him in the face the first time  he  glimpsed
    the inside of the disk.

    Lazar:  "I got to look inside and it had really small chairs.   I
    think  that  was the first confirmation I had.  That was  just  a




    shocking thing because everytime before that I was able to  label
    it.  This is just a little advance that a group of scientists had
    formed  and,  you know, they're keeping it secret, and  yeah,  we
    could  have  built  a big disk like that,  and  yeah,  that's  no
    problem, and, you know, we could have adapted the use(?) to  make
    it fly, but why does it have little furniture inside?  [garbled].
    And things began to click together just all too fast."

         A  few of the disks had been completely dismantled  to  find
    out   how  they  worked,  Lazar  says,  but  others  were   fully
    operational.  A Japanese TV network created this animated version
    of  Lazar's story after his first interview with us aired in  May
    [showing  video].  Lazar says the dramatization is similar  to  a
    test flight he witnessed.

[Jennifer Murdoch]

 Lazar:  "The bottom of it glowed blue and began to hiss like any,
    like  high  voltage does on a round sphere.  It's  my  impression
    that the reason that they're round and have no sharp edges is  to
    contain the high voltage like, uh, if you've seen a high  voltage
    system's insulators -- things are round or else you get a  corona
    discharge.   In either case, it began to hiss as in high  voltage
    and it lifted off the ground quietly except for that little  hiss
    in  the background, and that stopped as soon as it reached  about
    20 or 30 feet."

         Lazar  says the test of the sport model was a short  one  --
    that  it  made  only a few moves before setting  back  down.   He
    didn't  see  who  was actually flying the  craft,  but  was  very
    impressed, nonetheless.

    Lazar:  "Well, there's no action reaction system to it.   There's
    no,  like  in a jet engine, exhaust gas being thrown  out  --  no
    propeller,  no noise.  It's just, for all intents  and  purposes,
    magic."

         To  Lazar's knowledge, the flying disks are not being  used,
    for  say, any flights to Jupiter.  He said excessive caution  and
    intense  secrecy contributed to the plodding pace of the  program
    and were a main source of his disenchantment.

    Lazar:   "It's just unfair, outright, not to put it in the  hands
    of the overall scientific community.  There are people much  more
    capable of dealing with this information, and by this time  would
    have  gotten a lot further along than this small select group  of
    people working out in the middle of the desert.  They don't  even
    have  the facilities, really, to completely analyze what  they're
    dealing with."

[Jennifer Murdoch]

 Gene  Huff:  "Well he was being quiet.  If he kept me abreast  of
    anything,  he  kept me abreast of the security checks  --  they'd
    randomly  drop  by his house.  They'd threaten his  life;  they'd
    threaten  his wife's life.  They had done all that so  we  really
    didn't converse, I mean, he really was adhering to the program."

         Gene  Huff is a Las Vegas real estate appraiser.  A  regular
    guy  who  just  happens to have a friend  in  the  flying  saucer
    business.  He learned about Lazar's S-4 experiences only after  a
    long period.  Lazar is anxious for people to know that he  didn't
    just  run  right out and spill the secrets of the  universe,  and
    that some things are properly kept confidential.

    Lazar:  "I did not believe that this should be a security matter.

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Some  of it, sure.  But, just the concept that  there's  definite
    proof, and uh, we even have articles from another world,  another
    system, you just can't not tell everyone.  A lot of people  don't
    believe that.  But, I do."

         When he reached what he felt was his bursting point, he took
    Huff  and a few others to the edge of the Groom Mountains to  see
    the  flights  for themselves.  A total of five witnesses  on  two
    consecutive  weeks managed to dodge security patrols long  enough
    to see the strange glowing object lift above the mountain.

    Huff(?):   "Uh,  it came up above the same  mountain.   It  moved
    around.   It  did a step move -- it actually went up in  the  air
    like  this  [showing  details with hands]  and  it  hovered  then
    dropped way down then it just floated around and cruised  around.
    It starts coming up the mountain range...."

         This home video tape was recorded during one of the trips to
    the   Groom   Mountains   [showing  video   tape.    A   lot   of
    talking....Object  in  sight....Mention  of  brightness  of   the
    object....].

         Admittedly,  the tape proves very little by itself  because,
    with  the distance and darkness,  there are no  reference  points
    other than the alleged flying disk, but Lazar's information about
    the  time and location of the test flight proves correct  --  not
    once  but  twice.  That, according to our  off-camera  interviews
    with each of the other witnesses.  Gene Huff describes his second
    sighting:

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Huff:   "Through the telescope we could see an  elliptical-shaped
    light.   You  can only get so close even with a  telescope  to  a
    secure  facility.   Anyway, it came up by us  very  rapidly.   It
    glowed  and  glows  brighter like a star and we  almost  got  the
    feeling that it was going to explode, it glowed so brightly.   We
    backed  up behind the car then it went down and glowed back up  a
    little bit and then very softly glided back over, back where  the
    mountains  where it came up, hovered for awhile, and then  that's
    that....Just like you see in the movies."

         Bob Lazar isn't the only person to claim "inside  knowledge"
    of  the  flying  disks at the test site -- he is  just  the  only
    person  to  say so publicly.  We have communicated  with  several
    people who say they know of the saucer program.  A technician  in
    a highly sensitive position told us it is "common knowledge among
    those  with high security clearances that recovered  alien  disks
    are  stored at the Nevada test site."  A Las Vegas  professional,
    who  once  served in the military and was stationed at  the  test
    site,  said he saw a flying disk land outside the  boundaries  of
    Area  51 -- that it was quickly surrounded by security  personnel
    and  that he was taken away and debriefed for several  hours.   A
    man  who  once  worked  at Groom Lake as  a  technician,  at  our
    request, wrote this letter explaining how he inadvertently walked
    into  the  wrong  hangar  and saw what appeared  to  be  a  large
    metallic disk under a tarp.  It was being examined by men in  lab
    coats.   And,  an  airman  who  worked  at  Nellis  at  a   radar
    installation  says  he and his fellow servicemen watched  over  a
    period  of  five nights, unusual objects flying  over  the  Groom
    Mountains.  He says the radar images indicates the objects zoomed
    into range at speeds of 7,000 miles per hour and then would  stop
    on  a  dime, and that nothing we have is capable of  doing  that.
    The  airman says that when word of his sighting got out,  he  was

[Jennifer Murdoch]

ordered  to turn off his radar sensors for that area and told  to
    keep quiet about the matter because it did not happen.

         None  of  this means that the military  is  actually  flying
    alien  spacecraft in the Nevada desert.  It could all perhaps  be
    explained as some other secret program.  Lazar insists that's not
    the case.

         We  put  the  matter to the U.S. Navy,  which  according  to
    Lazar, is running the saucer show.  Four different naval  offices
    were  contacted.   All  denied having any  information  in  their
    files.   The  Naval  Research Lab said it  conducted  a  thorough
    search  but found "zip."  Naval Intelligence said much  the  same
    thing,  adding,  it is not required to create a  file  where  one
    doesn't  exist.  A side note:  We also requested files on  a  UFO
    sighting over Tremonton, Utah in 1952.  The Navy spent more  than
    a thousand hours studying film of that sighting -- a fact  that's
    been  noted in several publications -- but, for purposes  of  our
    request, the Navy couldn't find those files either.

    Lazar:   "The group that runs this project, whether it really  is
    the  Navy  or they just say that, apparently  these  people  have
    executive power -- they don't report to anyone."

         Tomorrow,   more  troubling  allegations  of  the   military
    potential of alien technology.

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                 ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-3.ASC) *****

    November 14, 1989

         ParaNet   Information  Service  (Denver,  CO)  --   In   our
    continuing coverage of the Riddle of Area 51, here is yet another
    installment  of  the KLAS-TV program being aired  in  Las  Vegas,
    Nevada  featuring Bob Lazar, who has 'come out of the closet'  so
    to speak with information regarding government testing of UFOs.

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         Just  over this ridge [showing a photo of Area  51],  tucked
    inside the test tubes of a hidden government base, the secrets of
    the  universe may be unfolding.  The area is designated S-4,  and
    according to one man who claims to have worked there, S-4 harbors
    scientific   achievements   that  would  astonish   our   deepest
    thinkers.  It is technology that, if it exists, could change  the
    world, but is allegedly bottled up by military minds.

    Lazar:   "It's  not  an overall  government  project.   It's  not
    something that Congress appropriates money for.  2 billion is for
    this; 15 billion for flying saucers; 8 billion for Star Wars.  It
    doesn't  go  like  that.   I don't believe  that  they  have  any
    knowledge of it at all."

         The technology that Bob Lazar says he saw extends far beyond
    flying saucers.  An anti-matter reactor allows the spaceships  to
    produce   their  own  gravitational  fields,  he  says,  such   a
    technology,  if  real, would answer UFO skeptics who  argue  that
    aliens  could  never visit Earth because  the  distances  between
    worlds are too great, even at the speed of light.

    Lazar:  "Gravity distorts time and space.  Just like if you had a
    water bed and put a bowling ball in the middle.  It warps it down
    like  that  -- that's exactly what happens to  space.   Imagining
    that  you  were  in a spacecraft that could  exert  a  tremendous
    gravitational  field  by itself you could sit on  any  particular
    place  and turn on the gravity generator and actually warp  space
    and  time, and fold it.  By shutting that off, you'd  click  back
    and  you'd be a tremendous distance from where you were but  time
    would not have even moved because you essentially shut it off.  I
    mean it is so far fetched, people....it's difficult for people to
    grasp,  and  as stubborn as the scientific community  is  they'll
    never buy it, but this is, in fact, that's just what happens."

         Actually,  Lazar's explanation is very close  to  mainstream
    scientific thought, and can be traced directly to Einstein.   The
    difference is scientists regard it as theory only.  There is much
    that science still doesn't know.

[Jennifer Murdoch]

Dale  Etheridge (Scientist):  "There are people who say that  our
    main  problem with that is we don't know what gravity  is.   It's
    this magical force that acts at a distance.  We can describe  how
    it  behaves -- that's what the law of gravity is -- it's  just  a
    description  of  how it behaves, but it says nothing  about  what
    gravity really is."

         We'll use Etheridge as our barometer of scientific  thought.
    He says we cannot produce gravity; that there's no such thing  as
    a working anti-matter reactor, and that we have yet to figure out
    a  way  to  get around the speed of  light.   He  also  concedes,
    though, such things are possible.

    Etheridge:   "Yeah.  And really we don't know what's possible  as
    there  could  be other civilizations out  there  several  hundred
    years  or so -- a thousand years, even a million years  ahead  of
    us  -- that have found a way to circumvent this.  We have no  way
    of knowing for sure."

    Lazar:  "Well, the thing is when you harness gravity, you harness
    everything.   It's  the missing piece in physics right  now.   We
    really know very little about gravity."