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Danaus
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Roman Sources of Atlantis
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Diodorus Library:
http://www.theoi.com/Text/DiodorusSiculus4B.html
http://books.google.com/books?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&id=agd-eLVNRMMC&dq=Hecateus+date:100-1922&prev=http://books.google.com/books%3Fas_q%3DHecateus%26num%3D10%26lr%3D%26as_epq%3D%26as_oq%3
Pliney Book 2,6:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/holland/pliny2.html
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/holland/pliny6.html
http://www.piney.com/TertullianApology.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iv.v.ix.html
-- Stromata 6.4.5.9
Latin Sources (Translated by Blitz Latin)(Free Program):
Propertius 3.22:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/prop3.html
Amianus book 15:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/ammianus/15.shtml
Flaccus Book 2:
http://ogeechee.litphil.georgiasouthern.edu/classes/fulltext/www.ancienttexts.org/library/latinlibrary/valeriusflaccus2.html
Solinus Book 31:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/solinus3a.html
Vergil Georgicon Book 1:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/vergil/geo1.shtml
Cicero Tuscan Disputations Book 5:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/cicero/tusc5.shtml
Here is a list of "Roman Sources":
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Myrina Tale --Diodorus Siculus Book 3
Diodorus Book 4
"Atlanteuses the sons might be not, where are remembered the dreams not to be seen, which from where happens with the most knowing of the things we relinquish. " -- Meaningless Quote from Amianus Book 15
"And now under eastern doubtful with Atlantidas the field is white the fires and moved wild from the sheepfolds the bears safe and the houses petition, rare and the shore into the deep sends the birds, with the chief horses panting Phoebus [Athon] has raised and has scattered into the waves middle the day." -- Meaningless quote from Flacus Argonautina Book 2
"You is permitted you may observe the all sky with Atlanta bearing, and the cut Persea Phorciduses with the shore with the hand, with Geryonas the stalls and in the dust of the wrestling the indications of Hercules and Antaeus, and Hesperidus the choruses;"--Propertius Book 3
"and in the Gorgias, that of Æacus and Rhadamanthus; and in the Phædo, that of Tartarus; and in the Protagoras, that of Prometheus and Epimetheus; and besides these, that of the war between the Atlantini and the Athenians in the Atlanticum) are to be expounded allegorically, not absolutely in all their expressions, but in those which express the general sense." -- Stromata 6.4.5.9
"We read of the islands of Hiera, and Anaphe, and Delos, and Rhodes, and Cos, with many thousands of human beings, having been swallowed up. Plato informs us that a region larger than Asia or Africa was seized by the Atlantic Ocean. An earthquake, too, drank up the Corinthian sea; and the force of the waves cut off a part of Lucania, whence it obtained the name of Sicily. These things surely could not have taken place without the inhabitants suffering by them." -- Tertulian Apology
"But if of wheat into the harvest and the oaken grains you will exercise the ground and of the sun you will pursue with the awns, before to the eastern you Atlantids may be hidden and Cnosia of the burning may withdraw with the star Coronas, the debts as with the furrows you may entrust you plant! each reluctant you may hurry the hope of the year to believe to the land. " -- Vergil Georgicon
"The door is spread out which from Atlant up to Canopitanus, where the boundary is of Libya and the Egyptian threshold, the saying from Canopus to Menela with the buried helmsman in that island [Pharos?] which the door of Nile makes, the tribes dissonant hold [Strabo's Shepherds], which into the secret of the pathless solitude have receded. " -- Solinus Book 31
"Neither truly [Atlans] to support the sky nor the joined to Prometheus with Caucasus nor the starry Cepheus with the wife to the son in law with the daughter might be delivered, unless the divine examination of the divinities had brought across the name of them towards the error to the story. " -- Cicero Tuscan Disputations Book 5
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Morrison
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Re: Roman Sources of Atlantis
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February 20, 2007, 09:12:40 pm »
Don't forget your own blitz Latin attempt at
Ammianus Marcellinus:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/ammianus.html
Book 15:
6. haec augente vulgatius fama tantum aberat, ut proderet quisquam visa nocturna, ut aegre homines dormisse sese praesentibus faterentur externis, maerebantque docti quidam, quod apud Atlanteos nati non essent, ubi memorantur somnia non videri, quod unde eveniat rerum scientissimis relinquamus.
More common the rumour only was being away these with the increasing, in order that the any was projecting the nocturnal visions, in order that scarcely the men to have slept with the present outward himself were admiting, and the learned certain were bewailing, because at Atlanteuses the sons might be not, where are remembered the dreams not to be seen, which from where happens with the most knowing of the things we relinquish.
Book 17:
7... And therefore Neptune of the moist nature the power [Ennosigaeon] and Sisichthona of the poet the ancients and the theologians have called.
They happen but with the manners of the lands of the movement four.
Or indeed the heavings are, which the ground within encouraging up defeat the most huge masses, as in Asia has escaped Deluses and with Hiera and Anaph and Rhodus, Ophiusa and Pelagia more ahead ages said often, with the gold coin formerly with the rain overspread, and with Eleusina in Boeotia and at Tyrrenuses Vulcan and the more islands;
Or the earthquakes which the limit destroying and slanting the cities the buildings and the mountains smooth out;
Or the earthquakes which more grand movement sudden with the revealed [uoratrinis] devour the parts of the lands, as in sea Atlanticus to Europaeus with the circle more spacious the St. island and in Crisaeus bending with Helic and plough beam and in Ciminia to Italy passed with the part the town Saccumum towards deep Erebuses the openings with the eternal darknesses are hidden.
Between these three species the lands of the movements [mycematiae] with the noise threatening are heard with the loose the elements with the bonds besides jump even fall back with the collapsing lands.
S/he/it is indeed then necessary just as with the of a bull to resound with the lowings the noises and the earthly roars.
But hence towards began.
Book 29:
25. Primo intro vocatus post interrogatiunculas leves Pergamius, a Palladio, ut dictum est, proditus quaedam inprecationibus praescisse nefariis, sicut erat inpendio eloquentior et in verba periculosa proiectus, inter ambigentes iudices, quid prius quaeri debeat quidve posterius, dicere audacter exorsus, multa hominum milia quasi consciorum sine fine strependo fundebat, modo non ab extremo Atlante magnorum criminum arguendos poscens aliquos exhiberi.
With the first Pergamius I enter the urgent calls after the trivial inter-minor questions, from Palladius, as the saying is, projected certain with the imprecations criminal to have got to know beforehand, as with the expense more eloquent was being and into the dangerous words precipitate, between hesitating judges, which the earlier times ought to be asked or why more following, to say boldly began, the much was pouring the thousands of the men as if of the accomplices without boundary resounding, but not from the most outer Atlant of the great indictments proving asking some to be presented.
quo, ut consarcinante nimis ardua, morte multato, aliisque gregatim post illum occisis, ad ipsius Theodori causam quasi ad Olympici certaminis pulverum pervenitur.
Where, as with the stitching together exceedingly the steep places, with the death with the punished, and with the other in flocks after that with the killed, towards the cause of him/it/theirself Theodorus as if about of the Olympan contest of the dusts is reached.
Although I have heard that Marcellinus was not actually a historian per se, but a writer of fiction.
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Danaus
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Re: Roman Sources of Atlantis
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Something curious is this Valerius Flaccus passage. "Atlantidis" appears in the latin text. It does not appear in the Loeb translation (J.H. MOZLEY).
http://theoi.com/Text/ValeriusFlaccus2.html
"[72] And now as the fires of the Pallantian maid5 grow faint in the east, the land lightens; from the sacred sheepcotes the fierce bears return to the covert of their dens; from the shore birds scatter over the deep; then the first rays from Phoebus’ panting horses traversed Athos and flung day abroad over the waters."
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/valeriusflaccus2.html
"Iamque sub Eoae dubios
Atlantidis
ignes
albet ager motisque truces ab ovilibus ursi
tuta domosque petunt, raras et litus in altum
mittit aves, cum primus equis erexit anhelis 75
Phoebus Athon mediasque diem dispersit in undas."
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Re: Roman Sources of Atlantis
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March 21, 2007, 02:29:31 pm »
DEAR
, DANAUS,
The Romans supposedly
forgot
the actual
Port bearings
of ancient Atlantis, but Virgil, The writer of the ILLIAS/Odussee ( Virgil the Potter's son, not well versed in astronomy.)thinks that the Starsign Argo-Navis lingered above Atlantis, and that according to that Starsign it should be now in Antartica.
But he also mentioned that during the reign of the argive
King Cecrops
or Cranaus, the Earth
reversed 180%
degrees and tracing this back, Atlantis was in Arabia! This phenomena is called:"Tippe-Top(ple!")
If the Romans might have forgotten the whereabouts of Atlantis, they DID know that it was
synonymous
to Plato's" Confederacy" or rather the Punic-"
CommonWealth
of the OIKUMENES", the "
Known-World"
which pertained orgiginally
ONLY
to Hadramaut in South-Arabia(= presently
Yemen-Rep
.)
Sincerely
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BlueHue
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
atalante
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Cicero mentioned Athena Saitis, whose cult is central to the Atlantis Story.
quote from: http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Cicero3.html#3
I have already mentioned one Minerva, mother of Apollo. Another, who is worshipped at Sais, a city in Egypt, sprung from Nilus. The third, whom I have also mentioned, was daughter of Jupiter. The fourth, sprung from Jupiter and Coryphe, the daughter of the Ocean; the Arcadians call her Coria, and make her the inventress of chariots. A fifth, whom they paint with wings at her heels, was daughter of Pallas, and is said to have killed her father for endeavoring to violate her chastity.
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Strabo mention Atlantis(but he's not Roman).
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