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« on: December 22, 2009, 03:37:19 am »

Years Of Deceit: US Openly Accepts Bin Laden Long Dead http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24157.htm
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor[

December 10, 2009 "Veterans Today" -- Conservative commentator, former Marine Colonel Bob Pappas has been saying for years that bin Laden died at Tora Bora and that Senator Kerry's claim that bin Laden escaped with Bush help was a lie. Now we know that Pappas was correct. The embarassment of having Secretary of State Clinton talk about bin Laden in Pakistan was horrific. He has been dead since December 13, 2001 and now, finally, everyone, Obama, McChrystal, Cheney, everyone who isn't nuts is finally saying what they have known for years.

However, since we lost a couple of hundred of our top special operations forces hunting for bin Laden after we knew he was dead, is someone going to answer for this with some jail time? Since we spent 200 million dollars on "special ops" looking for someone we knew was dead, who is going to jail for that? Since Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney continually talked about a man they knew was dead, now known to be for reasons of POLITICAL nature, who is going to jail for that? Why were tapes brought out, now known to be forged, as legitimate intelligence to sway the disputed 2004 election in the US? This is a criminal act if there ever was one.
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 03:39:05 am »


In 66 pages, General Stanley McChrystal never mentions Osama bin Laden. Everything is "Mullah Omar"now. In his talk at West Point, President Obama never mentioned Osama bin Laden. Col. Pappas makes it clear, Vice President Cheney let it "out of the bag" long ago. Bin Laden was killed by American troops many many years ago.

America knew Osama bin Laden died December 13, 2001. After that, his use was hardly one to unite America but rather one to divide, scam and play games. With bin Laden gone, we could have started legitimate nation building in Afghanistan instead of the eternal insurgency that we invented ourselves.

Without our ill informed policies, we could have had a brought diplomatic solution in 2002 in Afghanistan, the one we are ignoring now, and spent money rebuilding the country, 5 cents on the dollar compared to what we are spending fighting a war against an enemy we ourselves recruited thru ignorance.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 03:39:23 am »

The bin Laden scam is one of the most shameful acts ever perpetrated against the American people. We don't even know if he really was an enemy, certainly he was never the person that Bush and Cheney said. In fact, the Bush and bin Laden families were always close friends and had been for many years.

What kind of man was Osama bin Laden? This one time American ally against Russia, son of a wealthy Saudi family, went to Afghanistan to help them fight for their freedom. America saw him as a great hero then. Transcripts of the real bin Laden show him to be much more moderate than we claim, angry at Israel and the US government but showing no anger toward Americans and never making the kind of theats claimed. All of this is public record for any with the will to learn.

osama_bush_capturedHow much of America's tragedy is tied with these two children of the rich, children of families long joined thru money and friendship, the Bush and bin Laden clans.
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2009, 03:39:40 am »

One son died in remote mountains, another lives in a Dallas suburb hoping nobody is sent after him. One is a combat veteran, one never took a strong stand unless done from safety and comfort. Islam once saw bin Laden as a great leader. Now he is mostly forgotten.

What has America decided about Bush?

We know this: Bin Laden always denied any ties to 9/11 and, in fact, has never been charged in relation to 9/11. He not only denied involvement, but had done so, while alive, 4 times and had vigorously condemned those who were involved in the attack.

This is on the public record, public in every free country except ours. We, instead, showed films made by paid actors, made up to look somewhat similar to bin Laden, actors who contradicted bin Ladens very public statements, actors pretending to be bin Laden long after bin Laden's death.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2009, 03:40:22 am »

These were done to help justify spending, repressive laws, torture and simple thievery.

For years, we attacked the government of Pakistan for not hunting down someone everyone knew was dead. Bin Laden's death hit the newspapers in Pakistan on December 15, 2001. How do you think our ally felt when they were continually berated for failing to hunt down and turn over someone who didn't exist?

What do you think this did for American credibility in Pakistan and thru the Islamic world? Were we seen as criminals, liars or simply fools? Which one is best?

This is also treason.

How does the death of bin Laden and the defeat and dismemberment of Al Qaeda impact the intelligence assessments, partially based on, not only bin Laden but Al Qaeda activity in Iraq that,not only never happened but was now known to have been unable to happen?
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2009, 03:40:30 am »

How many "Pentagon Pundits," the retired officers who sold their honor to send us to war for what is now known to be domestic political dirty tricks and not national security are culpable in these crimes?

I don't always agree with Col. Pappas on things. I believe his politics overrule his judgement at times. However, we totally agree on bin Laden, simply disagree with what it means. To me lying and sending men to their deaths based on lies is treason.

Falsifying military intelligence and spending billions on unnecessary military operations for political reasons is an abomination. Consider this, giving billions in contracts to GOP friends who fill campaign coffers, and doing so based on falsified intelligence is insane. This was done for years.

We spent 8 years chasing a dead man, spending billions, sending FBI agents, the CIA, Navy Seals, Marine Force Recon, Special Forces, many to their deaths, as part of a political campaign to justify running American into debt, enriching a pack of political cronies and war profiteers and to puff up a pack of Pentagon peacocks and their Whitehouse draft dodging bosses.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2009, 03:41:08 am »

How many laws were pushed thru because of a dead man?

How many hundreds were tortured to find a dead man?

How many hundreds died looking for a dead man?

How many billions were spent looking for a dead man?

Every time Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld stood before troops and talked about hunting down the dead bin Laden, it was a dishonor. Lying to men and women who put their lives on the line is not a joke.duffster

Who is going to answer to the families of those who died for the politics and profit tied to the Hunt for Bin Laden?

Veterans Today Senior Editor Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and regular contributor on political and social issues.
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2009, 03:41:46 am »

There is plenty of evidence to show he died on the 13th of December, 2001 and the White House more or less admitted he was dead in late- 2001, didn't they, [2].


[1] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1925114769515892401#
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1366508/US-casts-doubt-on-bin-Ladens-latest-message.html
"The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration yesterday as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead."
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2009, 03:42:26 am »

America's latest fear: bin Laden on al-Jazeera http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1366151/Americas-latest-fear-bin-Laden-on-al-Jazeera.html
By David Wastell in Washington
Published: 12:01AM GMT 23 Dec 2001

IT is the event that strategists in President Bush's administration fear most: a grinning Osama bin Laden crackling on to the airwaves courtesy of al-Jazeera television to trumpet his escape from Tora Bora and denounce the West.

Officially, there is no disappointment in Washington that the al-Qaeda leader and many of his most senior allies appear to have vanished from under the noses of American special forces and Afghan anti-Taliban fighters.

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There is an unspoken fear within the US government, however, that the bin Laden propaganda machine might soon rise again, possibly in tandem with a new and spectacular outrage.

As one Republican congressional official said: "Imagine how it would play if another tape suddenly arrived at al-Jazeera."

The administration is frustrated that its quarry appears, for the time being at least, to have got away. Only last weekend, the Pentagon was briefing that bin Laden had been heard giving orders on a hand-held radio during the battle for Tora Bora.

There was a growing anticipation that he was about to be killed or captured. Then, as al-Qaeda resistance faded, there was suddenly silence: no body, no prisoner, no report of his death and no sign of his presence.

Gen Pervez Musharraf, the Pakistani president, said yesterday that there was a "great possibility" the al-Qaeda leader was already dead.

During an official visit to China last week he said: "He's not in Pakistan, we are reasonably sure. But we can't be a hundred per cent sure. We have sealed the borders between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"Maybe he is dead because of all the operations that have been conducted, the bombardment of all the caves. There is a great possibility that he may have lost his life there."
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 03:43:31 am »

Yesterday, Gen Tommy Franks, the commander of US forces in Afghanistan, admitted that the trail was growing cold.

He said: "He can be in Tora Bora or in that area dead, he can be somewhere else in Afghanistan and still alive, or perhaps he may have gotten over into Pakistan. I think we'll hear an awful lot of speculation, but right now we don't know which of those three categories he's in."

As White House staff put together a briefing paper on the first 100 days of the global war against terrorism, boasts of what would have been a major coalition achievement had to be put to one side.

Instead, the 24-page document referred only obliquely to bin Laden's uncertain whereabouts, declaring: "Leaflet drops and radio broadcasts continue daily to convey our determination, provide truthful information and encourage the capture of Osama bin Laden."

"Put it this way," said one administration official, "this thing would have looked entirely different if we'd actually killed or caught bin Laden by now."

Mr Bush's advisers are buoyed by his continuing high approval ratings - 86 per cent, according to an end-of-year survey by the Washington Post - and cheered that 70 per cent of Americans said in the same poll that they were confident that bin Laden would be killed or captured.
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2009, 03:44:44 am »

They are concerned, however, at another finding in the poll: some 64 per cent think the war on terrorism will only be a success if the terrorist leader is killed or apprehended, sending a clear signal of the task remaining.

"The danger is if it turns out at all like what happened to the President's father," said one Republican official, referring to George Bush Snr's failure to oust Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi leader, in the Gulf war.

Senior officials have attempted, ever since the war in Afghanistan was launched, to play down any certainty that bin Laden himself would be an easy catch. Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, insisted that finding the al-Qaeda leader was an imprecise science.

For Mr Bush, there is at least one upside, however. So long as bin Laden's whereabouts are unknown, there is less pressure to decide quickly on where to launch the next phase of the war on terrorism - though if he turns up in another country, the decision will have been made for him.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2009, 03:46:00 am »

Here's the youtube link to Robert Pappas' Orwell rolls in his grave (part 1):
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2009, 03:46:30 am »

Benazir Bhutto said he was dead right before she died:
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 03:47:01 am »


http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=2830

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"On November 2, 2007, during an interview by Sir David Frost, Benazir Bhutto stated that Osama bin Laden had been assassinated by Omar Sheikh. Now, Omar Sheikh was sentenced to death in July 2002 for the kidnapping and murder of Daniel Pearl. If this is indeed true, it puts a lie to all the bin Laden videos with which we were regaled over the past five years - all of which have been declared to be fakes by a great many people."

"The Sunday Times once described Omar Sheikh as 'no ordinary terrorist but a man who has connections that reach high into Pakistan's military and intelligence elite and into the innermost circles' of bin Laden and al-Qaeda."
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