Atlantis in the Mid-Atlantic

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From Critias

Note: The unit of measurement given in translation of Timaeus and Critias is typically the stade or stadia. The conversion is:

1 stade = 607 ft or 185 meters (mile = 5280 feet so 1 stade = .11 mile)
Canal From Sea

    * Canal 300' wide, 100' deep
    * 50 stades from the sea was a hill where the rings of Sea and Land were built (5.5 miles)

Inner Ring

    * Next ring of water was 1 stade - 600'
    * Center land was 5 stades in diameter - 3000' (.5 miles)
    * Surrounded on both sides by a wall covered with orichalcum

Middle Ring

    * Next set of water / land rings were 2 stades in width - 1200'
    * Surrounded on both sides by a wall covered with tin

Outer Ring

    * Ring closest to sea and its internal land both 3 stades in width - 1800'
    * Surrounded on both sides by a wall covered with brass
    * Contained horse racing track

Outer Wall

    * Wall which circled the outer ring at a distance of 50 stades (11 miles in diameter)

Bridges

    * Bridges were 100 feet wide (a sixth of a stadia)
    * Walled
    * Towers and gates on the bridges
    * Guarded at either end

Plain

    * Oblong, 3000 stadia long, 1000 stadia wide (330 miles long and 110 miles wide)
    * Open to the sea on the south (where the canal exited to the sea)
    * Surrounded by mountains to the north

Ditch around the Plain

    * 100 feet deep
    * 1 stade wide
    * 10,000 stade long (surrounding the whole plain) (1100 miles long)

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Military

    * Plain consisted of 10 stade square lots - 1.1 mile x 1.1 mile
          o 1.1 miles = 5808 ft there we get 33,732,864 sq. ft = 774.4 acres
          o acre = 43560 sq. ft or 4840 sq. yd.
          o for total of 60,000
                + total acres = 46,464,000
    * Each lot supplied
          o 1/6 of a war chariot
          o 2 horses and riders
          o one pair of chariot horses, a horseman, and a charioteer
          o 2 heavily armed soldiers
          o 2 slingers
          o 3 stone shooters
          o 3 javelin men
          o 4 sailors (for fleet of 1200 ships)

Miscellaneous

    * 5 sets of Twins - Atlas was first King
    * Fruits hard to store but providing drink, food & oil
    * They governed other land into Egypt and Tyrrhenia
    * 2 harvests - one from winter rains - one from summer irrigation
    * Orichalc, a metal unknown to Plato was mined in quantities - 2nd in value to gold
    * Abundant timber, elephants, marshes, swamps, rivers, mountains, plains
    * Hot and cold springs
    * Stone was white, black, and yellow - stone was excavated from center island and land rings to form covered docking areas

http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/Atlantis/vital_stats.html

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WHAT I KNOW IS FROM THE SOURCE I CANNOT SAY…

ATLANTIS WAS AT THE LOCATION OF THE AZORES LAND OCCUPIED ALVAYS BY SOMEONE GOING BACK BC 31 600 YEARS AGO.
THEY CALL THIS LAND: THE PLACE OF THE TEMPLE OF THE ANCIENTS THIS WAS BEFORE GIBRARTAR LAND MASS SHIFTED THERE WAS JUST WATERFALL SOMETHING LIKE A NIAGARA IN CANADA ATLANTIC OR RATHER RIVER POURING INTO PRESENT DAY MEDITERENIAN…
THEN LAND SHIFTED AGAIN THAT WAS BEFORE FIRST GREAT FLOOD
ATLANTIS WAS AT FIRST CALLED LAND OF BEHIND/ AFTER BLOODSUCKERS (DIFFICULT TRANSLATION) AFTER THE BLOODSUCKER ONE ALWAYS SUFFERED GOT ATTACHED ONE TO LEG OR THING WHEN YOU HAD TO PUSH BOAT TROUGH THE SWAMPS LEAVING THE MEDITERENIAN SEA… THAT WAS BEFORE THE SECOND FLOOD…AND OF ATLANTIS … THERE WERE THREE ISLANDS KING OF LAND GIVE TO HIS THREE SONS WHICH ESTABLISHED RULE OF HATE, JELOUSSY AND OF HORROR, THAT IS WHERE NICKNAME CAME TO BE SO IT CAN BE SPOKEN OPENLY ABOUT BLOODSUCKERS BASICALLY DUAL MEANNING…THE MOUTH OF THE LEECH WITH MOUTH OF THREE VAMPIRE FANGS ONE COULD SPOKE AND NOT BE KILLED IN REVENGE OR INSULT THOSE WHICH LISTEN
AND THEY WENT LIKE HORDS ROB THE VILAGES AROUND THE MEDITERENIAN
THREE RED FLAMES ON THEIR SYMBOL OR FLAGS
AND LATER INGAGE IN CAMPAIN AGAIST KINGDOMS OF THE MEDITERENIAN. ATLANTENIANS UNITED ROB THE TEMPLE OF THE ANCIENT THEIR CAMPAIN IN THE LAND OF THE WEST AND TEMPLE OF HEBREWS OF THEIR SECRETS AND GOLD AND INSTRUMENTS OF GOD POWERS
HEBREWS IS SAID TO HAVE GODS OF FIRE SECRETS IN MANUSCRIPT HEBREWS WERE EXPELED EXILES CAME FROM OTHER WORLD OF MANY SUNS IN SKY GOD TOLD THEM TO GO TROUGH THE GATE BETWEEN THE WORLDS IN THE FAR NORTH COUNTRY WHERE THIS STAR GATE…WHEREABOUT BETWEEN TWO PILARS LAND OF NIGHT OF MOON BEING THE LAND OF WOLF CRY..

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PEACE AND HARMONY CAME TO THE ATLANTIS WHEN ALL WAS CONCURED BUT GOD WAS ANGRY WITH THEM REVENGE AND JUDGEMENT SHODOW OF SON GOD AGAIST THEM…
THERE WERE ALIENS FROM OTHER WORLD CONCURED ATLANTIS IN ONE DAY ONE THIRTH ATLANTENIANS WERE KILLED ONE THIRD THEY ENSLAVED REST SCATERED SOME TO NEW ATLANTIS AS SLAVES TO THE LAND IN WEST ISLAND IN THOUGHTS OF GOD…THESE ADVANCE ALIENS TOOK OVER THE ATLANTIS ISLANDS BUT THERE WAS PSYCHIAN PRISON THOUGHTS ONE THUNDER BIRD RELEASED FROM PRISON WHICH NON RIGHTEOUS FULL OF SIN DEVIL THEMSELVES ALIENS WERE DESTROYED BY DARKNESS OF OWN THOUGHS FOR THE WEIGHT AND GUILTH OF OWN SINS AGAINST HUMANS BURNING FLAMES INSTEAD OF LOVE IN THIS DREAM LAND WHERE THINGS CAME OUT OF NO WHERE OR CAME ABOUT UPON PASSION PROVISSION FROM HELL
IT IS SAID SAME ALIENS WILL DO SAME TO REST OF EARTH WHEN THEY CAME WORLD IN FLAMES CONCURED IN AD 2012
THE END

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the idea that the Azores area, at one time was a fairly large landmass is a pretty engaging idea.

i believe the ocean level would have had to have been ~500 meters lower than the sealevel is today. Which brings up the problems of how people and plants would have adapted/adjusted to living at an elevation which had a higher atmospheric pressure and had a very slightly higher gravity.

please, before you scoff, it is common knowledge that groups of people
have acclimated to living high up in the Himmalyas & Andes, which has rarified air and somewhat less gravity pull, according to scientific measurements.
Now, lets reverse the situation, and imagine finding a group of people living at what would be about 1,500 feet below today's sea level.
which is about what the Azores 'basin' and ancient river bed now lies at.

Did? the earths atmosphere compress as the ice turned into liquid water
and rose (+100 meters since end of IceAge)
Was? atmospheric pressure higher, back in the day when most of the planet was covered by miles thick ice & the liquid waters were ~500 meters lower than today. Science says that living at an Azores plain
(when it was dry land) a living plant-animal-or-human whould have an extra 500 meters of atmosphere pressing on it.


like i stated in opening...the idea is engaging,
as it opens up different veins of thought....

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including the astounding;
such as, the oceans & mediterranian sea have remained constant.
and only the Azores plane & basin, sank beneath sealevel in a unique
'sinkhole' scenario, and blended in with the marine topography...
{but that's another page}

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www.Mapmachine.nationalgeographic.com/mapmachine/view&cutom.html?task=setMap&temeld=pg99

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The Critias, by Plato, lists off the 10 sons of Poseidon, in which there are 5 sets of twins. The list goes as follows:

1. Atlas
2. Gadeirus (Eumelus)

3. Ampheres
4. Evaemon

5. Mneseus
6. Autochthon

7. Elasippus
8. Mestor

9. Azaes
10. Diaprepes

www.sacred-texts.com...

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The Azores has always made most sense to me as being the location of Atlantis. There is some evidence to suggest that the Azores had been visited by Phoenician or Carthaginian sailors, and they may have even used it as a resupply point when undertaking trips further west to the America's. As mentioned in an earlier post a statue of a horse and rider pointing West was supposedly found on Corvo i think as well as some phoenician coins. This to me may suggest that either the Phoenicians or Carthaginians could of had some knowledge of where these islands were, ancient charts maybe, or legends passed down. The Phoenicians also traded extensively with Egypt at the time, which is where Solon got his information from Egyptian priests regarding Atlantis, and which Plato then wrote about. So could the Phoenicians have also had access to this information regarding the location of Atlantis from the Egyptians?


www.earth-history, some alternative views.

Diodorus the ancient Greek historian wrote that thousands of years earlier Phoenicians had been to the immense Atlantic island (where Plato wrote Atlantis was.

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www.lilithgallery.com

Plato described Atlantis as being ruled by ten kings before its demise.
In Egyptian mythology states there was originally 10 god-kings, who ruled in a foreign country. They were called Auriteans, but the actual pronunciation is unsure because hieroglyphs only approximate real sounds.
The Phoenician historian Sanchuniathon (1193 BC) calls the same kings "Aleteans". Note this is 600 years before Plato was even born.

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Azores Islands




by Robert L. Santos
California State University, Stanislaus
Librarian/Archivist


Early Accounts of Land Beyond

With the sea at his toes and an inquisitive and adventuring mind, the
Portuguese natural orientation is towards the west. The 17th century
Portuguese writer, Antonio Vieira wrote, "God gave the Portuguese a
small country as a cradle but all the world as their grave."1

There were mythical lands across sea as suggested by ancient
writing. Theopompue in 4th century B.C. wrote of a large western
land in the Atlantic. Pliny and Diodorus wrote of a large continent
beyond to the west. Solon of Greece in 600 B.C. visited Egypt and was
told of an island named Atlantis which Plato wrote about in his
Dialogues of 400 BC. His account tells of a powerful land outside the
columns of Hercules which was larger than Libya and Asia combined.
It was a land that was the way to other lands, but it sank during a
time of earthquakes and floods. The water was so muddy from its
sinking that it was impassable.2

But there were islands located in the Atlantic that were steeped in
myth and seen on early maps. They had names like the Fortunate
Isles, Antillia, Brazil, and California.3 There were stories, such as Irish
St. Brendan of Clonfert in 545 sailing from Kerry and finding islands
which may have been the Madeiras.4 On a Catalan chart these
mysterious Atlantic islands were identified as the Isles of St.
Brendan and lie only a few hundred miles off the Strait of Gilbraltar.5
Mohammad al Edrisi was credited at one time of having located a
series of islands which might have been the Cape Verdes, the
Maderias, the Canaries, or possibly the Azores. This was in the 12th
century.6 

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A Medici map of 1351 contained seven islands off the Portuguese
coast which were arranged in groups of three. There was the
southern group or the Goat Islands (Cabreras); there was the middle
group or the Wind or Dove Islands (De Ventura Sive de Columbis);
and there was the western island or the Brazil Island (De Brazil). On a
Catalan map of 1375, there were three Islands with the names of
Corvo, Flores, and Sao Jorge. It was thought that maybe the Genoese
may have discovered the Azores at that time and gave those names.7
These speculative sightings indicate that there was some ocean
exploration occurring, or at least, there was interest in what lay
beyond confines of continental Europe.

Prince Henry the Navigator and the Age of Exploration

Portuguese Prince Infante Dom Henrique (1394-1460), or Henry the
Navigator, was exactly what the literature proclaimed him to be, the
founder of modern navigation.  He was singularly instrumental in
opening up the rest of the world to the Europeans. For the Azoreans,
he was their founding father as we shall see. Henry studied the sea,
weather, ships, geography and trade routes. He talked to navigators,
and sea captains. He brought to his navigation school, which he
founded at Sagres in 1416, cosmographers, mathematicians,
cartographers, and learned men of all kinds. He collected maps,
charts, books, and ephemera that would educate him and his circle of
adventurers.8

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The motive for this industry was to find a sea route to link up with
the mythological Prester John, thereby encircling the Moslem world
and with armies driving them from northern Africa and the Holy
Land. To do this Henry needed money which he could garner through
trade once he found a sea route to India. He was the leader of the
religious-military organization, the Holy Order of Christ. Its program
of exploration, discovery, and settlement was for the purpose of
conquering the Muslims.9 

Henry's first move was to defeat the Muslims at Ceuta (Morocco) in
order to free the African coast for exploration. He, his brothers,
and his father, King John I of Portugal, did this in 1415.10 Henry 
experimented with ships and navigation during this venture, which
led to designing of the caravel, a long and slender ship (by
comparison) with lateen sails, that would be used by his Portuguese
explorers on their long voyages.11 Also the navigational instruments,
such as the astrolabe, quadrant, and cross-staff, were developed to
fix a ship's position. His captains kept logbooks of their voyages to
document their experience for the knowledge of others. They also
used flat maps to record longitude and latitude thereby simplifying
cartography methods.12

It took great courage to navigate the unexplored seas. Positions had
to be known to find one's way back. There were winds, weather
changes, and sea currents to master. A small wooden ship could be
broken at sea. Supplies of food and water could run out during a
voyage. Disease could strike. Superstition and fear would attack. It
took only the stout-hearted to head out onto the unknown waters on
a voyage of exploration.13

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Next, Henry colonized the Madeira Islands which were accidentally
found by Joao Goncalves Zarco in 1419.14 They were uninhabited and
were to be used as a point of departure for further exploration and
in particular, for this study, the discovery and settlement of the
Azores.15 Camoes wrote in The Lusiads, "Thus far, O Portuguese, it is
granted to you to glimpse into the future and to know the exploits
that await your stout-hearted compatriots on the ocean that, thanks
to you is now no longer unknown."16 

Discovery of the Azores

There are accounts that Henry sent his able seaman and knight
Goncalo Velho Cabral, in 1431, with the orders "to sail towards the
setting sun until he came to an island."17 Others say the islands had
been found accidentally by Portuguese sailors returning from a
voyage along the African coast or the Madeiras,18 but this is not
possible because the prevailing winds and ocean currents would not
have allowed it.19 Henry and his school of navigators knew there
were islands located a few hundred miles off the Portuguese coast
because they were shown on a Catalan map. In 1431, Cabral found a
series of volcanic rocks protruding out from under the water which
he named "formigas" or ants. He was just 25 miles from the nearest
Azorean island at the time which apparently was not visable to his
crew or him.  He returned to Henry and was sent out immediately
the next year to reexplore the area.20

On August 15, 1432, Cabral found Santa Maria, the easternmost
island of the Azorean archipelago. It was the feast day of the
Assumption of Our Blessed Mother, or Santa Maria, and consequently
named for her.21 The island was lush with forests, streams, and
birdlife.22 Apparently, there were many birds in flight, thought to be
goshawks, and hence, the islands got the Portuguese name "acor" or
hawk. However, there have never been goshawks there according to
ornithologists. Many believe the birds seen were the Azorean
buzzards.23

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It is thought too that maybe the name for the islands came from this
statement written by Martin Behaim, the maker of the  Nuremburg
globe of 1492: "All birds found in the islands by the first settlers
were so tame that they came to the hand like hawks."24 Another
theory is that the word "raca" or "raka," meaning bird of prey in
Arabic, was translated to the Portugese acor. Raca appeared in an
Arab manuscript designating an island, or islands, in the same
location as the Azores.25 

A letter written by Alfonso V, King of Portugal, dated July 2, 1439 is
the first known document with a reference to the Azores. Its content
reveals that there were seven islands and that Henry was given the
right to settle them.26 The next known document is a Majorcan map
of the same year which had seven islands and the date of discovery
was recorded as 1432.27 There have been differing versions
concerning the year-date of the discovery. It appears, after some
analysis by scholars, that 1432 is the correct date.28  Unfortunately,
there were no written accounts of the voyage by the participants.29
In fact, there is little information on the discoveries of the other
eight islands because of the same reason.

Sao Miguel was sighted followed next by Terceira, which means the
"third." Then the central group of islands were found which were
Graciosa, Sao Jorge, Pico, and Faial. And finally the western two
islands of Corvo and Flores were sighted in 1452 which concluded
the discovery of the archipelago.30 There is no evidence that
humankind had ever been on the islands.31 But there are mysteries.
There is the mystery of an equestrian statue on Corvo, and also the
mystery of the Phoenician or Carthagenian coins said to have found
there as well.32

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Corvo along with Flores are the two westernmost islands of the
archipelago, and hence, the last inch of European soil. It was here in
the early 1500's, that Damiao de Goes, under the employment of King
Dom Manoel of Portugal, wrote of a statue of a man on horseback
pointing to the west which was clinging to a rocky ledge. The king
asked for a drawing of it, and after seeing the drawing, he sent
someone to bring it back. As the story goes, it was shattered in a
storm en route, but the king received the parts. There too was an
inscription in the rock below the statue, and an impression was taken
of it. But neither the shattered parts of the statue, nor the impression
of the inscription were ever found.33 Was it a hoax? Scholars are still
unsure.

Some have speculated that the statue was really just one of many
rock formations seen on the island and nothing more.34 Others feel it
did exist and could have been evidence of the lost continent of
Atlantis, or of another settlement of ancient peoples. Coins too were
found on Corvo, and their images were published in a journal of the
Society of Gothenberg. They were considered to be of Carthagenian or
Cyrenean origin by the society.35 A twentieth century Portuguese
scholar, made a serious effort to locate the coins. He went to the
convent to which they were first supposedly taken. He also visited
museums where he thought information could be found. But his
investigation turned up nothing.36