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Does One Have a Moral Responsibility to Fight Evil?


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« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2012, 08:22:41 pm »

It's amazing and sad at the same time.
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« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2012, 04:46:59 am »

You can live a good, moral life and stand up to oppression and tyranny without being a slave to your delusions.  The term "god-fearing" always makes me laugh.  Why would you fear someone that you're also suppose to love?   Sounds like S&M to me.

Robert, "fear" actually is meant to infer "respect," for your information. And morality is not always legislated by today's laws. For instance only two of the Ten Commandments have been made into laws. We would all be better served if they all were made into laws.
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« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2012, 07:01:40 am »

Morality doesn't come from any law.  It is innate in all of us. We knew long before the burning bush how to behave and treat other human beings.  We did and do not require divine permission or mandate to do so.
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« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2012, 12:26:54 am »

Then why did we have slavery, child sacrifice, polygamy, stoning, wars, murders all before the Bible came into being? Religion told us these things are right and wrong. I man had innate sense of "goodness," we would never have needed religion in the first place.
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« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2012, 12:03:22 pm »

We do have a sense of goodness. I have no idea why you would say otherwise. If we didn't I doubt very much we would have made it this far. All of those things that you mentioned are in the bible. And according to god, it's okay to kill your kids if they talk back, kill adulters, kill people for working on the Sabbath , etc.
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« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2012, 08:38:30 pm »

Robert, that shows how little you've read the Bible. There is no verse in the Bible that ever advocated child sacrifice or murder, in fact, we have a commandment, "thou shall not kill." As for the rest of the verses in the Old Testament that concern themselves with wives an infidelity, well, you have to consider the context of the times. The New Testament says no such thing.

The Bible was a response to the rampant hedonism and barbaric child sacrifice at the times. Mankind is NOT basically good. If it were, there would have been no need for religion in the first place.
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« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2012, 06:54:20 am »

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Numbers 15:32-36 While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him in custody, because it had not been made plain what should be done to him. And the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." And all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Robert, that shows how little you've read the Bible. There is no verse in the Bible that ever advocated child sacrifice or murder, in fact, we have a commandment, "thou shall not kill." As for the rest of the verses in the Old Testament that concern themselves with wives an infidelity, well, you have to consider the context of the times. The New Testament says no such thing.

The Bible was a response to the rampant hedonism and barbaric child sacrifice at the times. Mankind is NOT basically good. If it were, there would have been no need for religion in the first place.
It just shows how little you know about your own species.
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« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2014, 04:29:21 pm »

Dawn----

Does One Have a Moral Responsibility to Fight Evil?

I think it actually depends entirely on whether or not one wishes to suffer the consequences associated with that particular path. The old adage, "No good deed ever goes unpunished," may be closer to the reality of existence in this realm of materialization than we would ever hope to imagine.

First: Imagine that we are all in fact immortal (have always been, are now, and always will be), and that all beings (sentient and non-sentient) and all things with "form" containing spiritual counterparts (contents) are also immortal. The shells (vehicles) are utterly expendable, and the souls are permanent.

Second: Imagine that life is an infinite series of Video-like games (Shoots and ladders), and that we all exist to find our ways through the mazes forever, taking on new forms as we progress and grow and expand in consciousness, beginning as thought forms within minerals, progressing to plants, then to animals, then to humans, to planets, to solar systems to galaxies, to universes, etc. When all are immortal, then "time" and all of its variants are absolutely of no consequence (Cycles are a "tad" lengthy.).

Third: The reason for this huge panoramic display of "trial and error" and games in this Fun House of existence is that God, Who we are all integral parts of, is a Singularity, a Single Being, residing permanently perfected in an infinite universe surrounded by Nothing............ and this incessant solitude has resulted in God's taking parts of Himself/Herself/Itself and creating universes and universes of Imagined existence (We are created in his "Image" [which means MIRROR], within that expanse of Nothingness that surrounds this Singularity; and within that mirror all existence transpires. And the cycles of existence recorded in the Vedas and in the ancient records are the happenings of all of us and our ancestors and all of Nature combined happening over and over and over in the hugest cycles of time and space (billions and billions of years) so that we become "Temporarily" (which means "time") unaware of  (Ignorance is Bliss) that we are all alone together in a universe surrounded by Nothingness.

Fourth: Have a nice eternity (a very nice long eternity), forever.

Fifth: By fighting Evil, one of the most important aspects in the Divine Play, this "Hugundous" Video game, one discovers that Evil prevents advancing souls from getting to the "Finish line" prematurely.................... so fighting evil will get you "hurt" if you are successful at it, because finding "short cuts" to the end and helping others (ladders) in the game is not generally allowed, unless you are a Master, Bodhisattva, Descended Being, etc.) and are allowed to make special dispensations to a few or just for so many in "special circumstances;" but if you are a lowly peon in the game and you accidently discover secret portals and passageways and help others through them............. be prepared for a major freaking Smack-down.................

6th: Of course, as Richard Bach, in his marvelous book Illusions states near the end of the book, "All of this could be wrong."

For any and all interested, I try to fight evil perpetually..................... I just no longer care about the consequences...................Namaste TG
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« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2014, 08:51:41 pm »

Well, in a perfect world, one would feel a moral responsibility to fight evil, unfortunately we live in a gray society these days. everyone has both good and evil in them, and they often don't even see the bad part in themselves, we're all heroes in our own minds.
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« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2014, 04:54:09 pm »

Life isn't as always black and white as cowboy westerns and super-hero comics make it out to be.

In America today we have 4 sides, the liberal-statist, the conservative-statist, the liberal-libertarian, and the conservative-libertarian.

Maybe at odds by design to keep the other 3 from getting too corrupt and dealing with limitations.

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« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2014, 12:39:08 am »

One always has a moral responsibility to fight evil, which I define as anyone or anything that tries to do harm to others. That is evil!
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