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« on: July 27, 2009, 09:41:04 pm »

"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-force-shot-down-flight-93.html
The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

    "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

    The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 09:43:04 pm »

Flight 93 Shot Down by Lt Col Rick Gibney on 9/11
Pirate News TV
58 min 4 sec - Dec 26, 2007
piratenews.org

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=award+for+crew+that+shot+flight+93+down&hl=en&sitesearch=


Major Rick Gibney wins Airman Medal from Governor of North Dakota on 9/11/2002 "for flying a Special Mission to New York". As discussed in ... all Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies and censored on Popular Mechanics Debunking 9/11 Myths on History Channel: http://PirateNews.org/Flight93.html http://piratenews.org/piratenews-under-attack-by-cia.html

"For some time, the Happy Hooligans have kept a permanent detachment with four F–16s, pilots, and crews on alert at Langley Air Force Base to provide air defense of the United States. I am not going to get into the details because it is important for national security not to reveal what they were doing, but they were very much in harm's way. I will not get into any more detail other than to say, these pilots —the Happy Hooligans, and any others who were involved in that scrambled mission to protect our Nation's Capital, and the region here in the DC area—really were willing to give their lives in a generally undefended position." -S9498, CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE, September 19, 2001 http://piratenews.org/s9497-happy-hooligans-911-2001.pdf http://piratenews.org/s9498-happy-hooligans-911-2001.pdf
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 09:44:12 pm »

Rumsfeld said it was shot down too, didn't he:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/rumsfeld_said_flight_93_shot_down.htm
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2009, 09:46:53 pm »



Check out the 1:15 to 1:42 part of the clip. These are the four. They say 3 flew Security over the nations capital and the 4th flew a "special Mission" over NY.
But according to popular Mechanics the special mission was this....Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=8

So....were they in Langley or not? Does Jacoby know for a fact that it was Gibney who was his pilot? If this happened? Are we supposed to believe that 3 were in Langley but the 4th was in North Dakota?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E4D7163BF936A25752C1A9679C8B63

The two men, along with a third pilot who did not consent to be interviewed, were the first fliers to be scrambled in F-16's from Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Va., shortly after the World Trade Center towers were hit. Armed with missiles but little information, they flew to Washington in time to confirm that the Pentagon was on fire and to receive garbled orders from the Secret Service suggesting that they were to protect the White House from possible attack.

Their morning was quite a departure from the norm. Before Sept. 11, the pilots, in the North Dakota Air National Guard's 119th Fighter Wing, a unit known as the Happy Hooligans, were what one pilot characterized as ''firemen in the air.'' For the most part, they sat on alert in their hangars at Langley, waiting for the rare call to fire up their jets and scramble, typically to check out a wayward Cessna or a military plane with a malfunctioning transponder.

As the military's air sovereignty mission had contracted, the Hooligans' operations had been moved over the last decade from their headquarters here in Fargo to bases in Klamath Falls, Ore., Riverside, Calif., and then, in 1998, to Virginia.

Neither Lou, a major, nor Honey, a captain, had ever served in the active-duty military, and neither had ever flown anything resembling a combat mission. Lou, a 34-year-old Fargo native, enlisted in the National Guard in 1985 and has worked full time for the Guard as a flight trainer since 1996. Honey, a 29-year-old Minnesotan, joined the Guard in 1993 while attending college in North Dakota and is on military leave from his job as a commercial pilot for United Express. He has been based full time at Langley since April.

The third pilot, who declined to be interviewed for personal reasons, his superiors say, is a 33-year-old pilot for Northwest Airlines who, until Sept. 11, flew part time for the National Guard. All three pilots continue to fly regular missions as part of a vastly expanded Norad air defense operation that has fighter jets airborne at all times.

When they were ordered to their jets at 9:24 a.m., 38 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the pilots had little idea what was happening. Both knew one plane had hit the towers, and Lou had caught a glimpse of the second strike on CNN just before climbing into his cockpit.

The two pilots said that at one point, someone broke in on the Federal Aviation Administration frequency being monitored by the third pilot. The message was garbled and hard to make out, but a military official said the pilot came away with the sense that he had been told to ''protect the house,'' meaning the White House. ''He said, 'I think I just talked to the Secret Service, but I'm not sure,' '' Lou said.


The story of the pilot flying out of North Dakota appears to be false. Who is Ed Jacoby Jr and the New York Emergency management office? According to this interview in 2000 the NY Emergency management office according to Jacoby..."In our emergency management office, we have the department of transportation, the state police, the military, naval affairs, all agencies that are going to be needed or could be needed in a time of emergency."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/30/smn.01.html

Jacoby has been saying since 2002 that he was rushed to NY in an f-16.... The center's director, Ed Jacoby Jr., who had been rushed home from an emergency preparedness conference in Montana in an F-16, says the type of officials sitting at those desks were "people who can make decisions on the spot
http://www.govexec.com/features/0302/0302story1.htm

I'd like to know the timeline of this. It seems unlikely that the f-16 would have been from langley.

So a question is? Were the F-16 falcons the happy hooligans flew single seat or double seat? If the answer is single seat, Jacoby can't be telling the truth. It's also possible that Jacoby is telling the truth, but that he assumes his pilot was Gibney because that's what he was told.



   
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2009, 09:48:39 pm »

Well, after doing some research the story seems to be 3 happy hooligans left Langley for Security over the nations capital. That would mean the 4th left on his own, to pick up Jacoby and he left from North Dakota.  Now this sounds like BS as most of us know they travel in pairs. And as Mr Grinch has pointed out the congressional record proves there were 4 on alert at Langley. Also, the aircraft the happy hooligans used were f-16A which is a single seat fighter.

F-16A  --The F-16A (single seat)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16_Fighting_Falcon#F-16A.2FF-16B

The planes used by 119th fighter wing (happy Hooligans)
The unit's last fighter was the F-16A Fighting Falcon which they received in April 1990
http://www.dash2.com/Farewell-Falcons.htm

In Jan. 2007, the 119th Wing converted from the F-16A Fighting Falcon jet mission to the new missions of the UAS and the C-21A Lear Jet cargo aircraft
http://www.af.mil/pressreleases/story_print.asp?id=123059477

The commander of the "happy hooligans" admitted in this conference with bloggers in 2007 that they flew F-16 model A (single seat)....Just to start from the beginning, Colonel Mike Wobbema is my name. I am actually with the 119th Wing, the Happy Hooligans out of Fargo, North Dakota. Up until this spring, we were flying the F-16 -- air defense version of the F-16, actually, aircraft; the A model, actually -- in fact, the last operational A model unit in the Air Force.
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:2TvtGnDOj6UJ:www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/BloggerAssets/2007-10/1030071518571030_Wobbema_transcript.pdf+%22Mike+Wobbema%22+a+model+f-16&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

The planes used on 9/11 were evidently F-16A (single seat)
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-9942.html

Doesn't seem likely that Jacoby would be flying with one of the happy hooligans. It seems to be a fact that Gibney would be flying a single seat F-16A, and would be flying out of Langley. Not a double seat out of North Dakota. Which seems to be proof of the official story being a deliberate lie.

Gibney is now commander of the reconnaissance squadron......."It is great to be a part of this air and space power mission. Our squadron is committed to maintain the traditional high standards the Happy Hooligans are known for, said Lieutenant Col. Rick Gibney, commander of the reconnaissance squadron.

"It is exciting and rewarding to be a part of this mission that involves the global war on terrorism, homeland security and domestic contingencies."
http://www.1af.acc.af.mil/library/featuresarchive/story_print.asp?id=123059719

How could one of the members of 119th who use F-16A single seat models pick someone up and fly them to NY?
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2009, 09:55:08 pm »

I believe that Flight 93 was shot down but I don't believe the aforementioned article.
The reason being that after doing quite a bit of research I've come to the conclusion that 93 was shot down by an A-10 and not an F-16.

Take this eyewitness:

There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.

"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.

"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/evidence/mirror_whatdidhappen.html


looks something like this? She gave a pretty damn near accurate and descriptive statement. Also, most A-10 have a light grey color scheme. She said she saw a white plane. I'm a bit of a military aircraft buff and I have never seen an F-16 with an all white color scheme.



The gov't said that an Executive LEAR jet was in the vicinity and asked to obtain visual confirmation of 93 since they lost it on radar. However, the people in that LEAR have never come forward to this day and the gov't has said nothing more about it. Imo, they're not tellign the entire truth.


In fact there may have been civilian planes around the area that day in addition to the A-10.

See this eyewitness:

Viola Saylor saw Flight 93 pass very low over her house in Lambertsville, which is a mile north of the official crash site. She was in her backyard when she heard a very loud noise and looked up to find herself "nose to nose" with Flight 93, which she says was flying "upside down" as it passed overhead. It was blue and silver, she said, and glistened in the sunlight. It was so low that it rustled the leaves of her 100-foot maple tree in her yard.


    It flew southeastward for about three more seconds and even gained elevation before it crashed over the hill with a "thud," she said.

    "It was really still for a second," she said. "Then all of a sudden" she saw a "very quiet" and low-flying white "military" plane coming from the area of the crash site, flying toward the northwest.

    "It was flying very fast, like it was trying to get out of here," she said. "A second or two" behind the "military" plane were two other planes, which Saylor described as "normal" planes.

    Shown a photograph of a Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II, a low-flying combat aircraft commonly referred to as a "Warthog," Saylor identified it as the military plane she had seen. She said she recognized the two engines on the rear and the distinctive shape of the cockpit and nose of the plane.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/flight_93.html

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    Tom Spinelli, 28, was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away. "I saw the white plane," he said.

    "It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash."




The A-10 is an Air-to-Ground aircraft (it has great air-to-ground radar and FLIR) but does not have great air-to-air radar. Couple that with the Airliners transponders being turned of and the A-10 would have to get a visual sighting because his radar would only pick up the Airliner up close. As opposed to F-16's which have an Air-to-Air capability and have much better air-to-air radars.

Furthermore, The A-10 can only carry Aim-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles because it doesn't have the radar necessary to use AIM-120 long range missiles which require radar support until they get relatively close to their target. It only carries AIM-9's.

The AIM-9 is a heat seeking missile so it would go after one of the engines which would explain why one engine was found approx. a mile from the crash site.


BTW, there are numerous A-10 bases on the east coast less than 300 nautical miles from Shanksville, PA. My guess is that the A-10 either flew out of Pope AFB in N.C. or Bradley ANG Base in CT. which are both around 240 nautical miles from Shanksville. Which is about 40 min flight time in an A-10 as its top speed is 420 mph considering they were scrambled at 9:16 when teh Aircraft was announced hijacked. that would put them right in the time frame and allow them to loiter for a few minutes to find 93.
Technically the aircraft wasn't shot down by an F-16 or even an Air Force Fighter as the A-10 is a bomber.

It's just speculation on my part but I think the evidence bears out my conclusion.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2009, 09:56:25 pm »

Transcript: Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.): Explosive New 9/11 Revelations and Explanations

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 10:03:27 pm »

Flight 93 Shot Down by Lt Col Rick Gibney on 9/11

Awards Ceremony for Happy Hooligans in North Dakota



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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 10:05:03 pm »

I wonder IF the Warthog shot it down where the roundabouts of the crashsite would be?

9/11 Shanksville Eyewitness Susan McElwain


I think the Shanksville hole looks more cruise missile like, she clearly is telling the truth.

I can believe a Warthog was sniffing about so did some C-130, AWACS, Boeing-747 Pres. and a lot of private looking choppers also on that day.

But what the heck for those brandnew X-mas Toys you don't even have to be in the air!

Maybe those choppers where just filming their little sick Hollywood style Pentagon just finished front bashing from the inside plan workout so they could enjoy their little sick schemes afterwards in their dark Home Movie freak basement. That's very Likely like those booys caught in New York making the sick snif mov.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 10:13:48 pm »

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 12:43:43 am »

Every once in awhile, Rumsfeld will screw up and actually admit it. Why he doesn't come clean altogether, I'll never know.  From the debris you can tell that it was hit by a missile, there is nothing left of it. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 12:48:26 am »

flight 93 shanksville flyover indian lake [10 min video] :
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 12:48:53 am »

interview on beyond the grassy knoll [2 hour audio] : http://beyondthegrassyknoll.com/audio/93.mp3
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2009, 12:49:51 am »

the following is from an american free press article :

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THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing 'a screaming thing' that 'screeched' as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

key point : several eyewitnesses report hearing a 'screaming thing' pass over the golf course and lakeside community before the huge explosion. we know by all accounts the only thing approaching indian lake prior to this huge explosion is 'flight 93'. it is coming from the northwest. we also know barry lichty said what flew over indian lake came 'from that direction' of the crash site.

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Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a 'very loud screeching sound' passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

 'It was like nothing I've ever heard before,' Smith said.

here we have an identified employee who hears 'flight 93' flyover prior to the huge explosion.
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