ERYTHEIA/GADES/CADIZ

[Bianca]

STRABO - Book III Chapter 5




THAYER'S NOTE:


 
The Heracleian pillars should be reminders of Heracles' mighty doings, not of the expenses of the

 Phoenicians: O for an ideal world! Alas, Strabo's argument is not conclusive: the colossal inscription

across the façade of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome records neither a word of Jesus nor a memorial of St.

 Peter, but that the Pope in whose reign the building was finished was a member of the Borghese family.



http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/3E*.html

[docyabut]

Bianca2001  I  wish you`d stop posted a whole book, if people wanted to read a whole  book they` would go read one  what about just talking points ? The eyes can`nt take it on the pc`s  with out going blind.

[Bianca]

Sorry doc,


That's because you're not used to pictures.....


This forums is vast enough for you to AVOID my postings.   It won't offend me at all.


Love and Peace,
b

[docyabut]

 Sorry Bianca2001, but how can a person get a word in edgewise, when your posting SO  MUCH

[Bianca]

Hey, Doc


Complain to management, be my guest!   

[Mark of Australia]

Doc ,if the posts were like Bluehue's then that would be another matter, but they are good posts with decent info in them ,,I don't see any problem at all ...I thought this place was partly meant to be a repository for Atlantis info aswell.

[docyabut]

I aplogise Bianca2001   I would never complain to anyone, its just  I like to go over a  phase or a point of a article ,before going over another one. You really  don`t give anyone  a chance to comment on the one article.

[Bianca]

If you read the beginning of the thread, doc, Mark wished someone would find informations for

him,  so I did.  All those legends can be gone over with a fine toothcomb and, maybe something not

before noticed will be relevant.  It was not posted for discussion.  Strictly for information, which

was what Mark wanted.  I have the time and he knows it.

[Europa]

I aplogise Bianca2001   I would never complain to anyone, its just  I like to go over a  phase or a point of a article ,before going over another one. You really  don`t give anyone  a chance to comment on the one article.

Hi Docyabut,

Let's not tell other people what and how they should post things around here alright? I know that you would like to get a comment in here and there, but most of the topics here are, for the most part, research topics, it is often a lot of work getting them together, and I think we should all appreciate that.  Thanks.

Europa

[Mark of Australia]

Hi Bianca et al.

Here is an article about recent discoveries in Cadiz ,very interesting but I wonder if they are just jumping to the conclusion that the wall dates back to the 8th century B.C. because that's the earliest they have ever found in the past.

 'Europe's oldest city' is found


By Elizabeth Nash in Madrid
Published: 09 October 2007
Archaeologists in Spain's southern port of Cadiz believe they have found remains which prove that it is Europe's oldest inhabited city – Phoenician Gadir, or Gades in Roman times.

Remnants of walls have emerged seven metres deep in a dig beneath Cadiz's old town centre which have been dated to the 8th century BC. Scientists found shards of Phoenician pottery, and pieces of jars, bowls and plates once used in everyday life which all point towards the existence of a town. A well-preserved bronze brooch has also appeared, suggesting a high level of civilisation. Previous finds, including funeral relics, did not provide conclusive evidence of urban settlement.

"We need to excavate further to see where these walls go," said the director of the dig, Juan Miguel Pajuelo. "The existence of items of daily use suggests the walls were of houses."



Historians have long known that Cadiz was founded by Phoenician traders more than 3,000 years ago as their first settlement in Europe.

Mariners from Tyre in today's Lebanon established Gadir as a transit point for minerals brought from the Rio Tinto mines further north. The Romans later developed Gades as a naval base, and the poet Martial praised the city's dancing girls.

But until now, no one has established exactly where Gadir (meaning "the fortress") was. Scientists in the 1970s uncovered traces of a Phoenician settlement near Santa Maria del Puerto, to the north on the Guadalete river, but not quite the remains of a town. More recently, archaeologists in Chiclana, 16 miles south-east, found remains of Phoenician walls and traces of a temple.

Scientists from the three sites lay rival claims to Gadir. But Jose Maria Gener, who began the dig in the town centre 12 years ago, is sure it is the most likely location. "In Chiclana," he said, "they still have to establish if their findings are Phoenician or an earlier indigenous settlement."

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=566660

[Bianca]

Mark:


'Europe's oldest city' is found' = 8th century BC


Does that sound right to you?  Even this early in the morning (for me) that sounds a bit
exagerated.  The EIGHTH century BC sounds like too recent a date to make such a statement.

That's when Rome was founded and my hometown (in Italy) is older than Rome.

Not to mention the Etruscans.......

[Mark of Australia]

Hi B,

Yeah I did think twice when I read that , 8th century B.C. is not very old,

I'm sure there are many towns on the Mediterranean that go back as far, even Monte Carlo is supposed to be 3000 years  ,how about Valetta on Malta ? it is a part of Europe.

Not to mention Athens !! Athens dates back to the Mycenaean period !! It was not destroyed during the Greek Dark Age.

And what about Istanbul? ,that was old Byzantium.

Oh well.

[Bianca]

Maybe they dropped a "0", Mark?

[Bianca]

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      Re: ERYTHEIA/GADES/CADIZ
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2007, 12:56:07 pm » Quote 

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Great info Bianca ,Thanks

It is interesting that Erytheia was one of the names of the island of Cadiz,very interesting. It sort of goes against the legend I have heard about Erytheia. So I don't think it's going to be cut and dry, but with 'Atlantis' it never is.

Basically from what I have read of Erytheia ,I think it IS Atlantis. I'll explain soon 
 
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     Re: ERYTHEIA/GADES/CADIZ
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Well, Mark I kind of gathered that that was what you were after.

But unfortunately, Erytheia/Gades/Cadiz is all that's out there. 
 
 

[Bianca]

Mark,

I accidentally (what else is new?) stumbled upon an answer to your quest.

Unfortunately I can't find the part where you mentioned TRINACRIA  and I said that
it was Sicily's ancient name etc. etc. - hope to find it soon.


But here comes the answer to your quest, unfortunately the names are very close, that's
why I could not find what you wanted.


I looked for ERYTHEA in this thread, while I should have been looking for ORTYGIA.

No harm, there is a lot of good information in this thread and someone eventually will find it
useful......