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Has God Abandoned Us, Or was God Never Here in the First Place?

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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2009, 02:18:50 am »

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OK.  I believe the universes and everything in them was created by something - but whatever that something was/is, it's so far beyond our comprehension, that we couldn't even begin to fathom what "it" might be.

Your views are very weighty, Qoais, but I have a bit of trouble with this part.  Religion always seems to suggest that things are beyond our control or defy our comprehension.  If the universe, how was it created, and what sort of a creature is God?
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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2009, 09:26:43 am »

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Religion always seems to suggest that things are beyond our control or defy our comprehension.

Maybe because it's true.  I don't know what religions suggest actually, other than that God was/is mean and cruel if things didn't always go his way.  According to the Bible anyway.  Personally, I think things are pretty simple if you keep religion out of it.  If you have a family member that is worse off than you in some way, you can help that person.  If your family has someone in the neighbohood who is worse off than your family, your family can help in some way.  If your city needs help, your neighborhood can lend a hand, and your city can help your country and your country can help another country.  The Golden Rule operating at it's best.

I have no idea, nor do I pretend to have any idea, who or what type of creature made the universes.  I was once told, and not by a religious person either, that if one who is not accustomed to doing so, looks through the Hubble telescope (for instance), they could die of shock - because that person never realized how vast space was and man cannot grasp the idea of "infinity".  To look through that huge telescope and see basically - empty space - that goes on forever, would be mind boggling.  (Of course space isn't empty but you get the idea).  If we cannot fathom infinity, how do we fathom what created it?
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2009, 10:46:16 pm »

An observation.... (2-19-97)

The following was a comment about the Olympics from The Watchman, a Christian group that documents cults and occults that are not of their own brand of belief systems. Go to the last paragraph of "Summoning the Olympic Spirits," and see for yourself.
http://rampages.onramp.net/~watchman/Olympic.htm (Dead Link)

The first mistake is, that they have ascribed human qualities to something that is so enormous in presence, and has escaped their diminutive human understanding. First of all, if Jesus was to appear before these people he would probably be crucified once again. They speak of a man they claim to know but in reality know nothing of him much less the God who send him. It is clearly evident that these people do not understand the meaning of "Omnipresence or Infinite." They have failed to understand the meaning of "Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence." They can only see God as their personal god which in itself is idolatry worship-- a dangerous folly.

The belief in a personal god is a very dangerous assumption that could leave a person spiritually desolate and mentally defunct. It robs an individual of his or her own unique life essence that leaves them wandering through life without any meaning to their existence. One does not need to look very far or need documentation to see the devastation of a human mind.

Jesus has always forbidden his disciples to worship him. They had the tendency to idolize him and not understand what he was teaching them. These tendencies are still prevalent in our society today. They idolized Jesus instead of idealizing the knowledge he has brought to us. This type of believe absolves a person of any responsibility in his or her own life-- a very dangerous position to become deceived. Why are there so many people doing it?

Careful observation of how these people speak will tell you that they are not following even the principles of the Bible. Most of what is said, is based on assumptions that they have inherited from other people and becomes increasingly twisted as it goes. For example I hear people claiming, "Jesus is God, or Lord." That is not what the bible teaches. It is only an assumption that was copied from others without even thinking about it. The bible teaches that Jesus is, "The Son of God." Furthermore, when he taught people to pray, The Lords Prayer, the first words out of his mouth were, "Our Father".... What is this telling us? All of us need to think for ourselves and not listen to what others are assuming. "Assuming" is very dangerous even if it looks and sounds good.

The bible is not the only Truth and Spiritual information that is available to us. There are many good books that were written long before the Bible, and before Christianity was even a word in the minds of men. In fact, much of the bible has borrowed from the Eastern religions.  Jesus is well versed in the ancient old knowledge of the Arcane Truths. There is much more reliable knowledge and information about our purpose in life from our distant past than is available today. There are many modern day writers who have echoed the lost knowledge of the long forgotten past. However, they are few in number.

"New Age" is just another label that is used to depict a new knowledge. The truth is, that there is nothing new under the Sun. It is a revival of the ancient Arcane knowledge that the Spirit is returning to us because we have warped and twisted so much of the Truth today that we don’t even know what the Truth is anymore. Just look around you! Do you see any evidence that people "know" God? It is quite to the contrary. That does not preclude the fact that the Infinite is busily about His Creation.

To be able to see for yourself whether or not a person has true Spiritual knowledge, all you have to do is burst their bubble. If they resort to anger and violence, and they become extremely defensive, knavish, cunning, and revengeful, you have just witnessed a mood swing that indicates that they have no solid ground to stand on. They become defensive because they are excessively obsessive with proving their point of view. They have a need to prove a point of view to themselves more so than they need to prove it to others.

The attitude of our Western thought is, "prove it to me." If it is not scientifically proven, it is impossible or non-existent. This is caused by the societal conditioning and the resulting belief that only through faith can anything be accepted. When faith and trust becomes misplaced, events such as the infamous incident in Guyana a number of years ago becomes a grim reality of death and destruction caused by a mentally deranged and maniacal religious leader only interested in imposing his own self made ego. It is important that faith becomes replaced by Arcane knowledge to prevent such a deception.

Basic human nature has a need to know the Truth and to know that they are a part of that Truth whether or not it is realized. When a belief becomes misplaced, it can cause mental instability when a challenge arises that is not in accordance with their own belief system. Most people are in this state of mind in varying degrees of intensity. The more a person is rigidly attached to his own brand of belief system, the more likely he will resort to violence when he is opposed because there is a danger that his security blanket becomes removed. Most people are resistant to change and have a difficult time to make the transition. Change is unavoidable and is a fact of life. The more mentally flexible an individual is, the easier the transition. Rigid minds are very brittle....

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