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Talk or act...To be or not to be, question is now?

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Tom Hebert
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2009, 04:33:33 am »

I feel safe with Obama.  I did not feel safe with Bush--nor did the rest of the world.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2009, 09:00:07 am »

I feel safe with Obama.  I did not feel safe with Bush--nor did the rest of the world.


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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2009, 09:20:34 am »




Raising taxes by the mile - Washington Examiner

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It's the Deficit, Stupid  - Town Hall

Bibi's Rebuff  - New York Post

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2009, 01:20:39 pm »

Obama is basically trying to reverse the eight years of incompetence we had under Bush.  It can't be done overnight, and he has so stated himself.  I believe Obama has already turned our country in the right direction, but who knows how long it will take to fully recover?
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2009, 02:17:57 pm »

It's all going according to plans....
You see, now what they expect us to do is mistrust all sides of the political circle to where we are forced to turn to corperate.  Wink

Then again who cares what they are doing?
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2009, 03:13:36 pm »

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 Wink We know!
Question is; What are we going to do about it?

   I don't know  Undecided , but if we don't do anything we can, one day,  we will wake up in FEMA camp.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2009, 04:17:12 pm »

Welcome to the forum Bryan. 

Again, I'll ask, as I have in the other thread, just what is it that you think a revolution will do?  What is it you want it to do?  Who would be your leader?  What would that person be expected to do? 

If President Obama had not given the bail-out packageds, and had let the United States totally collapse financially, what would y'all be doing right now?  Trying even harder to string him up, that's what.  Would people like you and HFN who think money is the root of all evil be happy then?  When there is no money people will riot.  People need food.  The people who have the food would protect it.  Gangs would form and there would be terrible fights and killings, just because there is no SYSTEM that people can live by.  The system right now is that people WORK, they get paid to work, and then they buy the things they need to survive.  If there is no system in place for a standard monetary value, please explain what you think would happen all across the country?  You would all be DEMANDING that the government HELP.  You would be demanding that the government buy you food because you would blame the government for your job loss because the government didn't do a bail-out. 

So what the hell is it you are trying to create with your antagonistic attitudes?

Ron Paul in 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2009, 08:11:08 pm »

Welcome to the forum Bryan. 

Again, I'll ask, as I have in the other thread, just what is it that you think a revolution will do?  What is it you want it to do?  Who would be your leader?  What would that person be expected to do? 

If President Obama had not given the bail-out packageds, and had let the United States totally collapse financially, what would y'all be doing right now?  Trying even harder to string him up, that's what.  Would people like you and HFN who think money is the root of all evil be happy then?  When there is no money people will riot.  People need food.  The people who have the food would protect it.  Gangs would form and there would be terrible fights and killings, just because there is no SYSTEM that people can live by.  The system right now is that people WORK, they get paid to work, and then they buy the things they need to survive.  If there is no system in place for a standard monetary value, please explain what you think would happen all across the country?  You would all be DEMANDING that the government HELP.  You would be demanding that the government buy you food because you would blame the government for your job loss because the government didn't do a bail-out. 

So what the hell is it you are trying to create with your antagonistic attitudes?

Ron Paul in 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

            WARNING!

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2009, 08:27:20 pm »

So.....Ron Paul is YOUR messiah then?
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2009, 08:49:50 pm »

So.....Ron Paul is YOUR messiah then?
Nooooo Qoais that is an enemy propaganda  Wink

                                       
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2009, 11:20:13 pm »

Welcome to the forum Bryan. 

Again, I'll ask, as I have in the other thread, just what is it that you think a revolution will do?  What is it you want it to do?  Who would be your leader?  What would that person be expected to do? 

If President Obama had not given the bail-out packageds, and had let the United States totally collapse financially, what would y'all be doing right now?  Trying even harder to string him up, that's what.  Would people like you and HFN who think money is the root of all evil be happy then?  When there is no money people will riot.  People need food.  The people who have the food would protect it.  Gangs would form and there would be terrible fights and killings, just because there is no SYSTEM that people can live by.  The system right now is that people WORK, they get paid to work, and then they buy the things they need to survive.  If there is no system in place for a standard monetary value, please explain what you think would happen all across the country?  You would all be DEMANDING that the government HELP.  You would be demanding that the government buy you food because you would blame the government for your job loss because the government didn't do a bail-out. 

So what the hell is it you are trying to create with your antagonistic attitudes?

Whoa!  I'm not the one with the antagonistic attitude, I voted for Obama.

Having said that, I do have a few issues with how he handled things economically.  Here is what I would have done differently:

1. Obama and Bush bailed out the banks, but they should have done it differently.  They should have given the banks money on behalf of all the people who had bad loans and had their houses in foreclosure.  That way, they would have solved two problems at once.

2  Obama should have nationalized the banks when he gave them aid.  That way, he could have rewritten their rules and fired all the greedy CEOs before letting them go private again.  They would have also been forced to participate in his mortgage program.  Right now, participation is optional and tons of people are  being turned down for the programs who need help.

3.  He should have reduced the balance on their credit card  debt!  Consumer spending is what drives the economy, not manufacturing.  You can't spend when you are paying 20% to 30% interest rates.  There should also be a cap on interest rates at 15%.

4.  GM and Chrysler should have been bailed out, but only if they promised to not lay people off.  In Germany, the government pays companies to keep employees on and makes up the difference that the companies can't pay.  It is just as cheap as paying unemployment and it keeps more manufacturing here.

5. Obama should institute a single payer health plan, everyone pays into one giant government pool like they do in all other industrialized countries.  The leading source of bankruptcy in the U.S. is medical bills. If everyone had insurance, they would no longer have that burden.

All these things step on the capitalistic ways of doing things, but since capitalism only helps the rich, I am ready for a change. Also, there is no down side, they are already calling Obama a socialist, so he may as well do what is needed. 
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2009, 11:21:57 pm »

I feel safe with Obama.  I did not feel safe with Bush--nor did the rest of the world.


Sure, whatever he has or hasn't done, he is ten times better than Bush.  Bush created this whole mess!
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2009, 11:26:19 pm »

Hi Hareconen, aren't you a little late with these pointers?  All these things happened under Bush, years ago.  Presidential Decision Directive 51, for instance, giving Bush complete authority in time of an emergency, was signed by him years ago.

Not to say that it would have actually been law since it would have remade the Constitution.

Yet we have no records of it being passed or not. Being that it was signed by Bush, Congress and senate could have put that into effect and not informed the American people.
This was done with the Patriot Act!


Presidential Directive 51 was a Presidential directive, sort of like one of Bush's signing statements.

The Patriot Act actually was passed by Congress, the problem being no one actually read it before it got signed!
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2009, 11:49:43 pm »

Hi Bryan - the "antagonistic" thing wasn't aimed at you.  It was aimed at these guys that keep putting President Obama down, but not coming up with any answers themselves.
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HUH?


« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2009, 05:45:27 am »

I offered a solution!

Thing is; All people with the acception of Tibetan Monks are way to material to even think about such a thing.

Even in most religions; It's said-
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It's easier for a camel to jump through the eye of a needle then it is for a rich man to go to heaven.
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