An Atlantic Ocean-Based Atlantis

[Bianca]

Devlin:

You know it's useless.  It's like talking to a wall.....


Here goes, anyway:








THE PILLARS OF HERCULES   -  AKA THE STRAIT OF GIBRALTAR

[Bianca]

         

          AFRICAN SIDE OF THE 'PILLARS OF HERCULES'

[Bianca]

                         THE EUROPEAN SIDE OF 'THE PILLARS OF HERCULES

[Bianca]

I crossed the Pillars of Hercules when I was 13 years old, on my way to Canada with my parents.

I had studied Greek Mythology in school and I still feel the awe I experienced sailing through this

fabled spot - 57 years later.


Love and Peace,
b

[Bianca]

Below is the liner I sailed on in 1951, courtesy of Google, It.







                   

                     The Liner SATURNIA crossing the Strait of Gibraltar - westward bound

[Devlin]

Bianca, it's like talking to a wall with most of these blokes who want to set Atlantis anyplace other than the Atlantic.  It flies completely in the face of common sense.

Nice pics of Gibraltar, it is one of the most picturesque spots in the world, hard to figure that from a map.  Did you come to America in 1951 then?

All other signs point west, as well - there is, of course, the Atlas Mountain Range, and Morocco once had a King Atlas as well. 

[Bianca]

Hi, Devlin!

I came to America in 1951, but to CANADA, I have been in the USA since 1970. 

I remember thinking how awesome it was to go on to OPEN Ocean, so vast......and feeling so
sorry for Columbus and his men in those TINY Caravels......while here I was in a ship large enough
to be a village, including swimming pools, ballrooms,  shuffleboards etc.

Well, I was a kid with a vivid imagination. I was never seasick, so I had a great time, Although if I
had been a little older I would have really, really enjoyed it.  In those days a 13-year-old was still
considered a child and treated that way.......

[Bianca]

Well, Devlin,

I suddenly got curious about what the bottom between these two "pillars" look like.  I am not science
oriented at all, so here goes.  Please, Devlin or anyone else, feel more than free to help me out.....




FROM:

THE SMITHSONIAN



The geology of the Strait of Gibraltar is important in interpreting the structural, stratigraphic, and

oceanographic history from the Miocene to the Recent of the Alboran Sea and the entire western

Mediterranean Sea, including the Alpine system. Despite this, almost no data were available on

submarine portions of the Strait. The data are presented on seismic profiles, bottom samples, detailed

bathymetry, and earthquake analysis. Detailed bathymetry and 3.5 - kHz seismic profiles show that the

geomorphology and the physiographic units differ largely from west to east of the Strait; smooth and

gentle shelves and slopes to the west, to rocky and steep shelves and slopes to the east; with a

hummocky and rough bottom floor dominated by two ridges and several closed basins. Geophysical

measurements indicate that most of the bedrocks or rock debris are standing at steep angles with dip

greater than 25 degree, and that the sea floor is generally blanketed by unconsolidated sediments,

mainly bioclastic gravel, and terrigenous sand.

[Bianca]

FROM NASA:




 SOLITONS, STRAIT OF GIBRALTAR







 
Solitons, Strait of Gibraltar  Click here to view full image (306 kb) 


 
Surf’s up! This image is a mosaic of two photographs taken by astronauts aboard the International Space Station viewing large internal waves in the Strait of Gibraltar. These subsurface internal waves occur at depths of about 100 m, but appear in the sunglint as giant swells flowing eastward into the Mediterranean Sea.

The narrow Strait of Gibraltar is the gatekeeper for water exchange between the Atlantic Ocean and Mediterranean Sea. A top layer of warm, relatively fresh water from the Atlantic Ocean flows eastward into the Mediterranean Sea. In return, a lower, colder, saltier layer of water flows westward into the North Atlantic ocean. A density boundary separates the layers at about 100 m depth.

Like traffic merging on a highway, the water flow is constricted in both directions because it must pass over a shallow submarine barrier, the Camarinal Sill. When large tidal flows enter the Strait, internal waves (waves at the density boundary layer) are set off at the Camarinal Sill as the high tide relaxes. The waves—sometimes with heights up to 100 m — travel eastward. Even though the waves occur at great depth and the height of the waves at the surface is almost nothing, they can be traced in the sunglint because they concentrate the biological films on the water surface, creating slight differences in roughness.

In this image, the tidal bore creates internal waves (top arrow) that propagate eastward and expand outward into the Mediterranean in a big arc (near bottom). Other features can be traced in the sun’s reflections. Linear and V-shaped patterns (bottom arrow) are wakes of ships, providing evidence for the heavy ship traffic through the narrow waters between Spain and Morocco.

Water features in the sunglint pattern appear to the astronaut to be extremely transient, visible only briefly (a few seconds) as the spacecraft passes rapidly overhead. Photographs from space of the ocean sunglint pattern are a tool for studying physical oceanographic and atmospheric processes and other phenomena that affect surface roughness.



references:


Internal Waves, Strait of Gibraltar

Christopher O. Tiemann, Peter F. Worcester, Bruce D. Cornuelle, Effects of Internal Waves and Bores on Acoustic Transmissions in the Strait of Gibraltar, Conference Proceedings from Internal Solitary Wave Workshop, Victoria, B.C., Canada, October 1998. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Technical Report WHOI-99-07

Oceanography from the Space Shuttle, Solitons, Gibraltar




Astronaut photographs

Oceanography from the Space Shuttle, Solitons, Gibraltar

 
Astronaut photographs ISS009-E-9952 and ISS009-E-9954 were taken June 3, 2004 with a Kodak DCS760 digital camera equipped with a 180 mm lens, and are provided by the Earth Observations Laboratory, Johnson Space Center. The International Space Station Program supports the laboratory to help astronauts take pictures of Earth that will be of the greatest value to scientists and the public, and to make those images freely available on the Internet. Additional images taken by astronauts and cosmonauts can be viewed at the NASA/JSC Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth.
 


This page is a copy of the page as it originally appeared on the Earth Observatory Site.
If links are broken we recommend starting again from the Earth Observatory Homepage.

[Bianca]

On second thought, Devlin, I think this needs a thread of its own.


Love and Peace,
b

[BlueHue]

Well, Devlin,

I suddenly got curious about what the bottom between these two "pillars" look like.  I am not an oceanic-scienctist.gentle shelves and slopes to the west, to rocky and steep shelves and slopes to the east; with a

hummocky and rough bottom floor dominated by two ridges and several closed basins. Geophysical

measurements indicate that most of the bedrocks or rock debris are standing at steep angles with dip

greater than 25 degree, and that the sea floor is generally blanketed by unconsolidated sediments,

mainly bioclastic gravel, and terrigenous sand.

DEAR . . . BIANCA,

it stands to reason that the Strait of Gibraltar was suddenly cracked open by a seismic wave, my guess is that the last time such a seismic wave occured was in 855 bc.

This must despite wrong Chronologies-also be the date that in greek Myth Heracles during his 10-th Labour banged his warclub on the floor of the landbrigde inbetween ' Europe 'and ' Africa ', to create a chasm between him and the angry GERYON from GADEIRA, who thought that he had been hornswiggled to sell his Sun-Bull herd at a too low bargain-price-steal.

Since the botom of this Chasm or mayby former-river-Canyon is of bedrock and undetermined silt,  it is otherwise impossible to pinpoint the date of the separation of the Two continents.

MOST intresting would be to research the WATER-LEVEL at the time of the Breach, because maybe it was too low on BOTH sides at the time to Create a flow-current. . . hence the omission of determinable Silt patterns.

'BlueHue ' dd. 8- August- 2007

[Qoais]

According to the Urantia Book, Gibralter opened 34,000 years ago.  However much the water "rushed" in being the ocean was higher than the Med at the time, it still took 400 years for the Garden of Eden, which was supposedly in the Eastern end of the Med., to be completely immersed.  The land bridge was still there from Africa and it broke too, but apparently it held the waters back enough before it broke to flood the western end of the Med.

[BlueHue]

According to the Urantia Book, Gibralter opened 34,000 years ago.  However much the water "rushed" in being the ocean was higher than the Med at the time,

DEAR,  QUAIS,

  Please, Re- READ what you said just now  it does not make sence because the entire watertable on Earth " at that time 35.000 bc "was 150 meter LOWER than today  and the bathometric-bottom of this 'FRETUM' or the opening of this Sea-strait of Gibraltar is only 30 meters below the water surface.

I ask you: Can a watertable jump  120 meters high even in 35.000 bc ? ?  Silly Girl

Will you kindly explain where you got your school diploma from or for ? ? Sincerely  ' BlueHue 'dd Aug.28- 2007

[Qoais]

Silly Boy - I just don't happen to believe everything scientists tell us.  Who was around 34,000 years ago to tell us exactly what was what?  We can assume a lot of things, but usually, you will find that once a scientists tells us something, it doesn't take long for another scientist to come along and tell us the exact opposite.  So - I don't believe they KNOW how low or high the water table was 34,000 years ago.  You think I'M dumb!  Look at Robert Sarmast.  Here's a guy that's an architect or something, has supposedly studied all the ancient texts, and comes up with Atlantis being off Cyprus? Me?  I'm just quoting the Urantia Book.

Furthermore, according to you, yourself, the world tipple toppled.  Don't you think that would cause an awful lot of water to rush in where it never used to be?

[BlueHue]

Silly Boy - I just don't happen to believe everything scientists tell us.  Who was around 34,000 years ago to tell us exactly what was what?  We can assume a lot of things, but usually, you will find that once a scientists tells us something, it doesn't take long for another scientist to come along and tell us the exact opposite.  So - I don't believe they KNOW how low or high the water table was 34,000 years ago.  You think I'M dumb!  Look at Robert Sarmast.  Here's a guy that's an architect or something, has supposedly studied all the ancient texts, and comes up with Atlantis being off Cyprus? Me?  I'm just quoting the Urantia Book.

Furthermore, according to you, yourself, the world tipple toppled.  Don't you think that would cause an awful lot of water to rush in where it never used to be?

   TIPPE- TOPPLED[/i], and that is exactly what happened in 855 bc all mountain lakes and Seas above present Sealevel rushed into the sofar DRY ocean beds. Exactly as You Surmized !   Thank You for THAT insight finally.