WOW, JUST WOW...........

[Horus]

                                                      I LIVED THROUGH IT


It's like deja` vu........

I didn't know that, Bianca. Were you in Germany or Italy or in the countries that Germany occupied?

[Bianca]

CORPORATISM/BENITO MUSSOLINI




                                       





Horus,


I was born in Italy in 1937

[Horus]

Whoa that's intense! So you were six when the Allies were fighting their way up the boot and the country became a war torn hell! That must have left a permanent impression on all of the children of that country.

[Volitzer]

And another thing, Bianca, I actually gave you some history when it came to bank bailouts and economic stimulus.  You might want to go back and try reading it.

I actually posted a film for you to look at and try to debunk it.

Why do young women live in such denial ??

My girlfriend had a hell of a time in the Navy working twice as hard for half the respect because of women like you !!!

Some of you women are your own worst enemies at times.

Hint: Don't date men in FEMA uniforms.

[Volitzer]

This is all very interesting, and I’m not talking about the pictures on page one I’m commenting on your conversations.  I’m both speechless and disappointed, swine flu, Obama, New World Order. The puppeteers are certainly doing their job well, all that I’ve been reading and hearing lately proves that this is the case, and the conversations here at A.O are no exception to this.

I had a lot more to say, but for some reason it doesn’t seem all that important anymore.

The news headline this morning read that the swine flu had taken a 23 month old baby girl.   Was she a bitter clinger?

The world is going to hell around us and we’re here arguing about Religion, Politics, age and maturity, and a secret ancient order that is supposedly behind it all.

History really is going to repeat itself!   But maybe we deserve it!

Wind

The question is what are you doing about it ??   

 

[The Creeper]

Paranoid, propaganda trash - this whole thread. I neer realized that there were so many deluded people in the world.

[HereForNow]

 Then why contribute by adding to the problem?
Wouldn't it be more productive to explain yourself better by telling us why we are wrong?
I would think so. I mean your certainly entitled to your opinion Creeper.
Yet to simply say we are Deluded without a reason for it seems a bit watered down in itself. Wouldn't you agree?

[Bianca]

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Whoa that's intense! So you were six when the Allies were fighting their way up the boot and the country became a war torn hell! That must have left a permanent impression on all of the children of that country.


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One good thing came out of it, Horus, at least for me.

A life-long love for the

                                                         GREATEST GENERATION.  

and the  

                                                               UNITED STATES

Maybe, someday, I'll go into particulars - not now.  Too emotional.


I made up my mind to live in America, someday.  And I achieved my dream in 1970.

Make no mistake, I love the country of my birth (see ITALY & MAGNA GRAECIA).  

I love the  United States of America equally.

[The Creeper]

Then why contribute by adding to the problem?
Wouldn't it be more productive to explain yourself better by telling us why we are wrong?
I would think so. I mean your certainly entitled to your opinion Creeper.
Yet to simply say we are Deluded without a reason for it seems a bit watered down in itself. Wouldn't you agree?

Who says there isn't a reason?  Since the entire basis for your conclusions seems to be paranoid fantasies, I would have to say that the perfect remedy would be some therapy for some of you.

[Bianca]

             




                                                     











                                                            THE FACTS ON FASCISM






By Quin Hillyer
The American Spectator
April 30, 2009

Yes, it is indeed similar to fascism.

Since my April 2 column that compared Barack Obama's economic policies (and others) to those of Italy's Benito Mussolini, I have been denounced on the pages of the Economist, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Toronto Star, and the New York Times (less strongly denounced there than in the others, oddly enough), and by Chris Matthews (and guests Tony Blankley and Larry Sabato) on Hardball, and also had the idea made fun of by CNN morning hosts while they played a rather tame and sober interview they had done with me on the subject.

Never mind that in the New York Times on April 7 , David Leonhardt went farther, comparing the policies to the economics of Hitler in the course of saying that was a good thing because Hitler's economics worked. Somehow, the rather fact-based piece I wrote was seen by the media elite as out of bounds, but Leonhardt's was acceptable analysis because it was meant to praise Obama rather than bury him.

Yet Leonhardt's column is proof enough that it is not some right-wing conspiracy theory that sees fascistic leanings in the big government, corporatist approaches taken by The One in the Oval Office.

Since then, the evidence has grown only stronger. As the Examiner noted yesterday, the Obama takeover of General Motors is astonishing in its scope and reach. The money quote from GM itself: "The U.S. Treasury will be able to elect all of our directors and to control the vote on substantially all matters brought for a stockholder vote."

This is scary stuff. It is not just a diminution of freedom, but a frontal assault. And it's only part of the story, the whole of which is even worse. We now have the government refusing to accept repayment of loans it made to various banks -- preferring to keep control of the banks to regaining the taxpayers' money quickly. Moving from economics to coercion and the use of the state to target political enemies, we have a Homeland Security Department targeting veterans and anti-abortionists as potential terrorists, and a White House leaving open the option of prosecuting its predecessors over honest policy choices made in a time of war and without identifying any specific domestic law supposedly broken. We see selective release of previously classified information for political purposes. We have the advancement of "hate crimes" legislation that makes it a prosecutable offense to think unapproved thoughts. (House Republican Leader John Boehner was right to say the bill makes him "want to throw up.")

On the domestic level, again I say, all of this is straight out of the Mussolini playbook.

But again, to make this clear for those too dim to understand it the first time, let it be said that to compare policies to those of Mussolini is not to engage in radical name-calling or comparison to Hitler. Mussolini was bad, indeed awful -- an authoritarian thug an bully, along the same lines as dozens of other authoritarian thugs and bullies through the years. The comparison definitely ought to scare those who love freedom -- but no more than a comparison to, say, Fulgencio Batista in Cuba.

Authoritarianism is not totalitarianism, though. There is a big difference -- a difference educated people once understood. We are not talking about pure evil, not talking about genocide, not talking about brutal attempts at foreign conquest, not talking about Mengele-like experiments and deliberate killing of "defectives." What we are talking about is the beginning of a tendency toward authoritarianism (so far minus the thuggishness), especially in the economic realm. And we darn well ought to be able to make sober, factual, valid historical analogies, by way of warning -- much as Leonhardt did, in his rather twisted attempt at praise of Obama -- without being accused of foaming at the mouth.

It is especially appropriate to make such comparisons if one has already shown that it is not merely a partisan accusation. Some of us noted even when Bush started us on this path that it had similarities to fascist economics. And I take a back seat to nobody in having fought against real neo-Nazism on the right, as a founding board member of the Louisiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism (which carried the fight against David Duke).

Again, this is a question of freedom. It's a question of free enterprise, free markets, and free minds. When an administration takes over banks and car companies, and makes moves to force through a takeover of the entire health care industry without the ordinary procedural safeguards, and (even under Bush) forces banks to buy other banks against their will, then this isn't the America we know and love. This is instead a country ruled by a top-down, command-and-control, invasive, barely accountable, self-selected elite.

And that is dangerous. And, minus the antipathy to labor unions, that is the very definition of Italian economic fascism. And if Chris Matthews would put me on his show to have a civil discussion about it, his viewers would find it a reasonable and edifying conversation -- with not a single bit of what Matthews described as "red hot language."

Meanwhile, I hope Speaker Nancy Pelosi, President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder don't charge me with a "hate crime" for using the word fascist with regard to their policies.




Quin Hillyer
is a senior editorial writer at the
Washington Times and senior editor of

 The American Spectator.

He can be reached at
qhillyer@gmail.com.

[Bianca]

I think that calling them Fascist is inaccurate.

The Fascists had a grand theory. It was so much swill, but it was grand in outline.

The Political Left has had to abandon much of its theory, and what is left is a hodgepodge of bits of this and that; a little Fabian Socialism, a little Marxism, a little Social Darwinism turned upside-down, and the Gods alone know what else.

There are significant differences, though:


                                                 Mussolini and Hitler were ultra-nationalists


while Obama may be the first US president who travels the world 'badmouthing'  America.

For all we know, he may not even be an American......

[Qoais]

No matter what policies a party or leader has, there's bound to be some overlapping where both parties believe the same thing.  Suddenly this becomes a major comparison and the instant conclusion is - both parties are bad.  As in this example of Obama being compared to....whoever.  That's like saying I'm like Joan of Arc because I'm female.

The poor man has only been in office for 100 days and he's being blamed for just about everything thats ever happend in the past and what's happening now.  When we had the bird flu scare, I didn't see anyone posting that President Bush should find the cure for it, but I see here in the forum where it's being demanded that Pres. Obama cure the Swine Flu.  And you yourselves, wonder why he's called the Messiah.  You demand things of him as though he is Jesus reincarnated and then show anger and derision when he's labelled a saviour.  No doubt if you were on fire and he personally put the fire out and saved you from burning to death, you would find a way to be totally ignorant and ungrateful.  You would likely make it his fault that you got yourself on fire in the first place, even if he was no where in the area at the time. 

What I wanted to say here, was if you think President Obama has been "placed" by the "bildebergers" or whoever, then just remember that this is a slow process - presidents have to be trained up which takes years, so who trained up Pres. Bush?  Who opened the pathway for Mr. Obama to become president if not the same people who placed Bush and every president in the past?  Who made it possible for the CEO's of all these companies to basically steal all this money and get away with it and then cry foul when they don't get a millions of dollars bonus after they've put the companies Americans work for, in the tank?  Not Obama.  Put the blame where it belongs, and then make an effort to help your country get out of the mess.    If the workers need jobs so badly, why didn't they pool their money and buy the car manufacturing companies if they didn't want the government to bail them out?  Sounds like no matter what Obama does, those of you who foster hate, will fan the flames of your own hatred and feel self justification, rather than getting out there and seeing what you can do to help. 

edited for spelling

[Wind]

Way to go Qoais! You took the words right out of my mouth,   You’re absolutely right, we need to either do something to help solve the problem or stop complaining and cut those who are trying a little slack!

[Bianca]

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"When we had the bird flu scare, I didn't see anyone posting that President Bush should find the cure for it, but I see here in the forum where it's being demanded that Pres. Obama cure the Swine Flu. "


Q,

the only one to demand something be done about the swine flu, to my knowledge, is Juan Carlos
who asked for a mail in campaign to help Mexico - when the story first broke.

For the rest:

I was of the same exact opinion regarding George W. Bush - Obama is just continuing his policies,
expanding them, in some instances.

Obama is GWB III

[Christa Ewing]

Right on Qoais!

Bianca, Obama is not continuing Bush's policies, he's put an end to torture, and waterboarding. He supports the Employee Free Choice Act, has signed legislation guaranteeing women the right to sue for equal pay, allowed federal funding for stem cell research and is working on national health care for everyone.

None of that stuff would have happened if nitwits Bush or John McCain would have gotten in there!

Be fair.