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« Reply #375 on: June 14, 2009, 07:37:59 pm »

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"For the greater individual is the one who is the servant of all. And to conquer self is greater than taking cities."

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« Reply #376 on: June 14, 2009, 07:51:14 pm »

This is from february 28, 2008!


                                           
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« Reply #377 on: June 14, 2009, 08:05:38 pm »

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« Reply #378 on: June 14, 2009, 08:13:49 pm »

 Lips sealed



                                       
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« Reply #379 on: June 14, 2009, 08:45:35 pm »

Too Horus.


                                                         
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« Reply #380 on: June 14, 2009, 09:25:16 pm »

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« Reply #381 on: June 14, 2009, 09:34:36 pm »

Who cares.


                                   
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« Reply #382 on: June 14, 2009, 10:50:09 pm »



                                             



Obama's White House is Falling Down
In the sixth month of his presidency, Obama has turned an economic downturn into an economic disaster, taking over and trashing entire companies, and driving the nation deep into deficit spending expected to pass 10 trillion dollars.


Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

While the press is still chewing over Obama's Cairo speech, this celebrity style coverage ignores the fact that Obama's endless world tour is not actually accomplishing anything. Instead his combination of ego driven photo op appearances and clueless treatment of foreign dignitaries have alienated many of America's traditional allies. Those who aren't being quietly angry at Obama, like Brown, Merkel or Netanyahu, instead think of him as as absurdly lightweight, as Sarkozy, King Abdullah or Putin do.

While his officials carry out their dirty economic deeds, Obama responds to any and every crisis as if it were a Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland musical, with a cry of, "Let's put on a show." Thus far Obama has put on "shows" across America, Europe and the Middle East. And what the adoring media coverage neglects to cover, is that Obama's shows have solved absolutely nothing. They have served only as high profile entertainment.

Neither alienating America's traditional allies, through a combination of arrogant bullying and ignorance, nor appeasing America's enemies, has yielded any actual results. Nor does it seem likely to. Islamic terrorism is not going anywhere, neither are the nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran. While Obama keeps smiling, the global situation keeps growing more grim.

At home, if Obama was elected as depression era entertainment, the charm of his smiles and his constant appearances on magazine covers appear to be wearing thin on the American public. Despite the shrill attacks on Rush Limbaugh or the Republican Enemy of the Weak-- the Democratic party of 2009, is polling a lot like the Republican party of 2008. The Democrats have suddenly become the incumbents, and the only accomplishment they can point to is lavish deficit spending, often on behalf of the very same corporations and causes they once postured against.

The European Union Parliament's swing to the right cannot be credited to Obama, though doubtlessly some European voters seeing socialist economic crisis management on display in the world's richest country decided they wanted none of it, but it is part of a general turning against federalism. And Obama's entire program is dependent on heavily entrenching federalism at the expense of individual and state's rights. Yet that is precisely his achilles heel with independent voters who are polling against more taxes and expanded government. And no amount of speeches by Obama can wish away his 18 czars or the national debt he has foisted on generation after generation of the American people. That leaves Obama with a choice between socialism and the independent voter. And thus far he has chosen socialism.

Obama's tactic of hijacking Bush Administration era policies on the economy and the War on Terror, and exploiting them as trojan horses to promote his own agenda, have left him coping with a backlash from his own party, as well as general Republican opposition.

His Czars are meant to function as the bones in an executive infrastructure accountable to no one, but a lack of accountability isn't just another word for tyranny, but for incompetence. A functional chain of command is accountable at multiple levels if it is to function effectively. Obama's White House by contrast is in a state of over-organized chaos, the sort of organized disorganization that undisciplined egotistical leftists naturally create for themselves, complete with multiple overlapping levels of authority and no one in charge but the man at the top, who's too busy doing other things to actually be in charge.


Dennis Blair as National Intelligence, who collaborated with the Muslim genocide of Christians in East Timor, trying to muscle out the CIA to create his own intelligence network, is typical of the kind of chaos being spawned by every chief in an expanding government bureaucracy working to make sure that all the indians answer to him. Similarly the National Security Council wrestling with the State Department, highlighted by Samantha Power getting her own specially created NSC position to butt heads with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, illustrates the state of conflict and chaos in American foreign affairs. A state of chaos so pervasive that incompetence has now become commonplace, and no one can even be found to double check the spelling of a Russian word that is meant to be the theme of American's diplomatic reconstruction with Russia, or to pick out a gift for the visiting British Prime Minister.

Meanwhile on the economy, Obama exploited the ongoing bailouts, transforming them from bailouts into takeovers meant to shift the balance of power in what had been a democracy and socially engineer not only corporations, but the lives of ordinary Americans. But the public's patience with corporate bailouts is at an end, most Americans were never happy with them to begin with, and want them to end. The death of Chrysler at the hands of Fiat and the UAW might look like a victory in the union ranks, but it doesn't play too well outside Detroit. And tacking on CAFE standards that will kill the pickup truck and the SUV will badly erode Obama in the swing states, if exploited properly in 2010 and 2012.

Despite the constant media barrage, orchestrated out of the White House, the public is growing disenchanted with the performance of Obama and the Democrats. With unemployment booming and the economy dropping, the jobs aren't there and the spending is out of control. Republicans today are polling better on ethics and the economy, than the Democrats are. That shows a trend which is likely to register in the mid-term elections in 2010, in the same way that the EU parliamentary elections served as a shock to the system.

In the opposition, Republicans are free to embrace the rhetoric of change, to champion reform and push libertarian ideas about the size and scope of government. In turn all Obama has is his celebrity fueled media spectacle world tour. A charade now serving as a parallel to the depression era entertainment that functioned as escapism in a dour time. But before long, it may be Obama that the American public will want to escape from.

Obama has tried to play Lincoln, Reagan, JFK and FDR-- but in the end he can only play himself, a shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head, and trying to drag the country down with him. Obama's White House is falling down and while the flashbulbs are still glittering and the parties are going on in D.C. and around the world, Obama and the Democratic Congress may be headed for a recession of their own.
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« Reply #383 on: June 14, 2009, 11:14:14 pm »

Anyway we can all make a pact to limit the posts in this thread to just the responses people have to say?  Each time I come into this topic, all the relevant posts are buried by hordes of cut and paste!

I think we know where everyone stands on the government right now.

Horus,

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CONCERNING
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DEFENSE
FORCE


If one is ever introduced in Congress (and it would have to be sponsored by a member of Congress as the President cannot, himself, write legislation, only shape it), then you entitled to complain all you want about it.  Until then, discussion of such a force is simply not relevant, as it does not exist.

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The best way to bring about change is to have change from within, not without.

Quoted for truth! Spoken like a true metaphysician and easily the wisest thing said in this thread so far.

This has to do with being active in party policy not some metaphysical navel gazing.  If you don't like the direction of your party, be it Democrat or Republican, then get involved in party meetings!  You can even run for Congress yourself, or, at the very least, contact your Congressman or Senator if you have an issue that concerns you.  By saying that change comes from within, that's what that means.
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« Reply #384 on: June 14, 2009, 11:20:34 pm »

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Obama's White House is Falling Down
In the sixth month of his presidency, Obama has turned an economic downturn into an economic disaster, taking over and trashing entire companies, and driving the nation deep into deficit spending expected to pass 10 trillion dollars.

Economic downturn into an economic depression?? 

The economy was on the verge of collapse last September after Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail, and Bush spent seven hundred billion dollars to prop up all the banks.  He also was the first one to bail out Chrysler and GM.  Not only did the economic collapse happen because of his policies, 80% of the deficit we have now is because of his making, only 20% is because of Obama.

He left Obama with a three trillion dollar deficit. 

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Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

Gee, if the press does love his speeches, maybe it is because they finally found a guy who can string two coherent sentences together, unlike the last guy, to whom English seemed a foreign language.   Wink
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« Reply #385 on: June 14, 2009, 11:33:42 pm »

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Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

Gee, if the press does love his speeches, maybe it is because they finally found a guy who can string two coherent sentences together, unlike the last guy, to whom English seemed a foreign language.   Wink

I agry, but puppet is still a puppet.
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« Reply #386 on: June 15, 2009, 12:29:46 am »


                                                            It's the Economy, Stupid

The Obama presidency will rise or fall on results.

By KARL ROVE

Tomorrow will likely bring more bad news for President Barack Obama on the number one issue for voters -- the economy. The Labor Department's monthly job report will almost certainly show unemployment topping 9%, with a couple hundred thousand more jobs lost in May.

It will get worse before jobs get better. Congressional Budget Director Douglas W. Elmendorf recently predicted that unemployment will continue rising into the second half of next year and peak above 10%.

Mr. Obama has an ingenious approach to job losses: He describes them as job gains. For example, last week the president claimed that 150,000 jobs had been created or saved because of his stimulus package. He boasted, "And that's just the beginning."

However, at the beginning of January, 134.3 million people were employed. At the start of May, 132.4 million Americans were working. How was Mr. Obama magically able to conjure this loss of 1.9 million jobs into an increase of 150,000 jobs?

As my former White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto points out on his blog, the Labor Department does not and cannot collect data on "jobs saved." So the Obama administration is asking that we accept its "clairvoyant ability to estimate," and the White House press corps has let Mr. Obama's ludicrous claim go virtually unchallenged.


Still, there are limits to Mr. Obama's rhetorical tricks. Even he cannot turn job losses into real job gains. And he won't be rescued by stimulus spending.

Former National Economic Council Director Keith Hennessey made a persuasive case on his blog that the stimulus will be ineffective because the additional economic growth it spurs will come six to nine months later than it could have.

This is partly because, as the Congressional Budget Office estimates, only $185 billion (23% of a $787 billion stimulus package) will be spent this fiscal year. The government will spend an additional $399 billion next fiscal year. The balance -- $203 billion -- will be spent between fiscal years 2011 and 2019, long after the economy has turned on its own power and for its own reasons. In addition, much of the stimulus that went this year for tax cuts and transfer payments has been saved, not spent. (The national savings rate went from less than 0% to about 5%.)

If the Obama administration were more serious about growing the economy than just growing government, the stimulus would have been front-loaded into this fiscal year.

In addition, the claim made by Team Obama that every dollar in stimulus translates into a dollar-and-a-half in growth is economic fiction. The costs of stimulus reduce future growth. No country has ever spent itself to prosperity. The price of stimulus has to be paid sometime.

Any real improvement in the economy so far is more likely the result of the Federal Reserve expanding the money supply and the Fed and Treasury shoring up the financial sector.

But the Fed's actions are risky. Easy money and expansionary policies are not sustainable. We may soon be in for a bout of inflation unless the Fed soaks up much of the money it flooded into the system. The government is also likely to hamper private investment as it uses a vast amount of capital to finance its debt. And when the Fed stomps on its monetary brakes, as eventually it must, we'll get sluggish growth.

The irony for Democrats is that the Fed may hit the brakes in the run-up to the 2010 congressional elections or the 2012 presidential election.

It is becoming clear that the economy is now the top issue. Mr. Obama's presidency may well rise or fall on it. The economy will be his responsibility long before next year's elections. Americans may give him a chance to turn things around, but voters can turn unforgiving very quickly if promised jobs don't materialize.

That's what happened in Louisiana, where voters accepted Democrat Gov. Kathleen Blanco's missteps before Hurricane Katrina but brutally rejected her afterward because she failed to turn the state around.

Until now, the new president has benefited from public willingness to give him a honeymoon. He decided to use that grace period to push for the largest expansion of government in U.S. history and to reward political allies (see the sweetheart deals Big Labor received in the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies).

The difficulty for Mr. Obama will be when the public sees where his decisions lead -- higher inflation, higher interest rates, higher taxes, sluggish growth, and a jobless recovery.

Mr. Rove is the former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush.

Karl Rove served as Senior Advisor to President George W. Bush from 2000–2007 and Deputy Chief of Staff from 2004–2007. At the White House he oversaw the Offices of Strategic Initiatives, Political Affairs, Public Liaison, and Intergovernmental Affairs and was Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, coordinating the White House policy making process.

Before Karl became known as "The Architect" of President Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns, he was president of Karl Rove + Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm that worked for Republican candidates, nonpartisan causes, and nonprofit groups. His clients included over 75 Republican U.S. Senate, Congressional and gubernatorial candidates in 24 states, as well as the Moderate Party of Sweden.

Karl writes a weekly op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, is a Newsweek columnist and is now writing a book to be published by Simon & Schuster. Email the author at Karl@Rove.com or visit him on the web at Rove.com.

Or, you can send him a Tweet @karlrove.

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« Reply #387 on: June 15, 2009, 12:49:51 am »

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« Reply #388 on: June 15, 2009, 12:59:38 am »

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The difficulty for Mr. Obama will be when the public sees where his decisions lead

He's not a dictator you know.  He isn't making these decisions on his own.  He can't pass bills on his own.  He represents the people's choice, he represents your country to foreign countries but he has to follow the party guidelines.  He's not even an independent with no party to answer to.  He may be president, but he's not alone and he can't make policy.  The party has a platform, it has it's ideals and beliefs and people who belong to the party believe what the party believes.  As was said earlier, if you want to make change happen, get involved.  Join a political party or at least voice your needs to your local rep or governor and have some input.

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Of course, that isn't strange to Obama supporters because he can do no wrong in their minds, and they have 'faith' in him!

No one said Mr. Obama can do no wrong, but people have faith in him that he will try to do what is right for the majority, not just a few.  Put it this way.  He sure as heck couldn't do anything worse than what Bush did and no one is charging Bush with treason like they should.  No doubt Mr. Obama will make a few mistakes - no one is perfect, but he's at least out there trying to clean up a huge mess.
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« Reply #389 on: June 15, 2009, 01:42:05 am »

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The difficulty for Mr. Obama will be when the public sees where his decisions lead

He's not a dictator you know.  He isn't making these decisions on his own.  He can't pass bills on his own.  He represents the people's choice, he represents your country to foreign countries but he has to follow the party guidelines.  He's not even an independent with no party to answer to.  He may be president, but he's not alone and he can't make policy.  The party has a platform, it has it's ideals and beliefs and people who belong to the party believe what the party believes.  As was said earlier, if you want to make change happen, get involved.  Join a political party or at least voice your needs to your local rep or governor and have some input.

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Of course, that isn't strange to Obama supporters because he can do no wrong in their minds, and they have 'faith' in him!

No one said Mr. Obama can do no wrong, but people have faith in him that he will try to do what is right for the majority, not just a few.  Put it this way.  He sure as heck couldn't do anything worse than what Bush did and no one is charging Bush with treason like they should.  No doubt Mr. Obama will make a few mistakes - no one is perfect, but he's at least out there trying to clean up a huge mess.

            Yes we know he doesn't make decisions alone.He doesn't making it at all.He can't  be dictator, not even that, he is just a puppet, and I don't hate him.You can hate a puppet.Bush was a moron, stupid as puppet can be.

Here is puppet with HART, I vote him.

                                           
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