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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2009, 07:29:09 pm »

Perhaps I should have phrased it "she is taking action". A little longer but it means the same thing. I can see your confusion.

No, I think you had it right the first time.  She's acting!

This letter sounds as phony as a three-dollar bill.  She claims to be a lifetime registered Democrat, and yet she brings up all of the Republican talking points.  It doesn't add to her credibility that she's writing from John McCain's home state.  No doubt she watches Fox News all day at home, and when she gets into the car she turns on Rush Limbaugh.  Sheesh!


Good point, Tom, there are a lot of Republicans masquerading as Democrats these days to try and engender some movement in the press.  All they talk about is taxes, though. Nobody likes taxes, but if they were REALLY Democrats, they would be talking about jobs, civil liberties, unions, and, most of all, freedom!

The kind of freedom that concerns Republicans is the kind where they don't have to pay any taxes.  They don't think they owe anything to society, only their pocket books.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2009, 08:06:40 pm »

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I completely disagree that the government helps the rich but maybe we need to define who we both consider the "rich". Does the government help those who innovate, work hard, employ many?

If you are talking about small business, no, the government does not, but most of those guys aren't rich. 

Let's define rich, the way that the Obama Administration does:  namely a guy making over two hundred grand a year is "rich."  In most areas of the country that is enough to get by.

The upper 1%, by the way, are households that make 9.5 million or more a year.

Here is a graph of how income has been going over the last forty years, where we have had mostly Republican Presidents, and even the Democratic Presidents we have had still followed Milton Freidman economics:



# Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2003
# Carmen DeNavas-Walt, Bernadette D. Proctor, Robert J. Mills
# August 2004
# U.S. Census Bureau
# U.S. Department of Commerce



You can see that the middle class has basically flatlined while the upper 1% has gone way up.

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Do any of you think this counrty thrives without the top 1%?

I do!  Those people don't create jobs, they just leech off of taxpayer money from the rest of us. Small business is what caused the economy to boom back in the 1990s.  The rich just spend their money on yachts.

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And do you think the 80,000 people unemployed in the bread basket of CA because of a minnow are blaming the top 1% or their intrusive government?

California is a whole other story.  Do you know that property taxes there have been frozen to 1978 levels and that the government can only raise money from income tax?  It isn't too much government that has gotten the state in their budget mess, it is too few taxes!

In a way, it is a microcosm of what has happened to the middle class, namely wages not keeping up with inflation.

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You guys want to denigrate Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, et.al. but you think Katie Couric, Matt Lauer, Larry King, Chris Mattews, Bill Mauer are impartial.

I don't think they are impartial, but to compare what Limbaugh and Hannity do with Larry King is ridiculous!  He makes a point to be impartial, which is why everyone is on his show.

FOX News flat out lies about stuff, which is why they are such a joke on the industry.

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Limbaugh said he wanted Obama's policies to fail and everyone of you guys had a fit but didn't ya'll want Bush to fail?

No, we wanted him to get out of Iraq and look after regular people, not just the rich, there is a difference.

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And one last thing because although this is somewhat fun it is unproductive, Byron in your response to the letter you suggested that since this lady didn't like government programs she shouldn't accept a social security check. That is the weakest agrument you have come up with. If contributing to Social Security was voluntary you may have had a point but it isn't voluntary so why shouldn't anyone take what you wrongly say is put into a trust fund for us?

My point was actually rhetorical.  People who say that the government is bad and incapable of running things are ridiculous.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2009, 06:31:37 pm »

 Cool


Attached is the letter that was written by a woman and sent to the President, her government officials, and Glenn Beck. He read this letter on his radio program a few days ago and on his tv program that afternoon. Please read it.

June 17, 2009 - 10:36 ET
GLENN: I got a letter from a woman in Arizona. She writes an open letter to our nation's leadership:
I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would horribly feel so disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me?
Well, these are briefly my views and issues for which I seek representation:
One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution. P.S., I'm not a racist. This isn't to be confused with legal immigration.
Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you no, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.
Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution and honor it.
Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There is more to say.
Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision. Don't you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night and then go on break. Slow down!
Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real obligations. Why don't you start there.
Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes. Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census over with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate.
Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs. That is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person. Why do you want me to hate my employers? Why what do you have against shareholders making a profit?
Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.
Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. Have you ever ripped off a Band Aid? We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.
Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please try please stop manipulating and trying to appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me.
Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now.
Take a breath. Listen to the people. Let's just slow down and get some input from some nonpoliticians on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I'm busy. I'm busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the business of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society and teach our children to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.
I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we still cannot. There is such urgency and recklessness in all of the recent spending.
From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on you to bring our concerns to Washington. Our president often knows all the right buzzword is unsustainable. Well, no thousands of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons.
We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we're so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work , pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone and we are now looking up at you. You have awakened us, the patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office. We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us when hewill rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution.
Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming.




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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2009, 07:24:45 pm »








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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2009, 08:47:40 pm »

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Attached is the letter that was written by a woman and sent to the President, her government officials, and Glenn Beck. He read this letter on his radio program a few days ago and on his tv program that afternoon. Please read it.

Yeah, sure Herefornow, but just because it has been read by Glenn Beck doesn't mean it isn't a Republican masquerading as a "lifelong Democrat."  Glenn Beck is arbiter of truth, heck, he is just another right winger trying to bash Obama, and, consequentially, lift up the GOP.
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2009, 02:54:56 am »

That's true, Byron.  We all know that the Republicans have a long history of writing phony letters.  And how about Bush's phony town hall meetings.  What a crock!
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2009, 03:51:22 pm »

I really can't dispute what your saying Byron.
However, the message itself has truth to it and I had to post it.
The main point she was making is what I consider to be true for the most part.
Atleast here in this part.


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Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming.

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