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« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2007, 06:14:21 pm »








According to the Lemurian Fellowship lesson materials, the populace surrounding Mu (Lemuria, which predated the other civilisations) eventually split into two opposing factions: those who prized practicality and those who prized spirituality.

The citizenry, or educated elite, of Mu itself was balanced equally in these two qualities. The citizenry encouraged the other groups to emigrate to uninhabited lands. Those who prized practicality emigrated to the Poseid Island group (Atlantis), and those who prized spirituality eventually ended up in India.

The Atlanteans, a patriarchal civilisation with an extremely materialistic, technologically oriented culture, deemed themselves "Masters of the World" and eventually sent a well-equipped army to India in order to subjugate the Rama Empire and bring it under the suzerainty of Atlantis.

One account of the battle, related by the Lemurian Fellowship, tells how the Rama Empire Priest-Kings defeated the Atlanteans. Equipped with a formidable force and a "fantastic array of weapons", the Atlanteans landed in their vailixi outside one of the Rama cities, got their troops in order and sent a message to the ruling Priest-King of the city that he should surrender. The Priest-King sent word back to the Atlantean General:

We of India have no quarrel with you of Atlantis. We ask only that we be permitted to follow our own way of life.

Regarding the ruler's mild request as a confession of weakness and expecting an easy victory--as the Rama Empire did not possess the technology of war or the aggressiveness of the Atlanteans--the Atlantean General sent another message:

We shall not destroy your land with the mighty weapons at our command, provided you pay sufficient tribute and accept the rulership of Atlantis.

The Priest-King of the city responded humbly again, seeking to avert war:

We of India do not believe in war and strife, peace being our ideal. Neither would we destroy you or your soldiers who but follow orders. However, if you persist in your determination to attack us without cause and merely for the purpose of conquest, you will leave us no recourse but to destroy you and all of your leaders. Depart, and leave us in peace.

Arrogantly, the Atlanteans did not believe that the Indians had the power to stop them, certainly not by technical means. At dawn, the Atlantean army began to march on the city.

From a high viewpoint, the Priest-King sadly watched the army advance. Then he raised his arms heavenward, and using a particular mental technique he caused the General and then each officer in order of rank to drop dead in his tracks, perhaps of some sort of heart failure. In a panic, and without leaders, the remaining Atlantean force fled to the waiting vailixi and retreated in terror to Atlantis.

Of the sieged Rama city, not one man was lost.
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While this may be nothing but fanciful conjecture, the Indian epics go on to tell the rest of the horrible story, and things do not turn out well for Rama.

Assuming the above story is true, Atlantis was not pleased at the humiliating defeat and therefore used its most powerful and destructive weapon--quite possibly an atomic-type weapon!



Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata:


...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...


..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.


..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.


After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.24


In the way we traditionally view ancient history, it seems absolutely incredible that there was an atomic war approximately 10,000 years ago. And yet, of what else could the Mahabharata be speaking? Perhaps this is just a poetic way to describe cavemen clubbing each other to death; after all, that is what we are told the ancient past was like.


Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though is not a cure.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.'
I suppose we all felt that way.

When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was:

"Well, yes, in modern history."25
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« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2007, 06:16:26 pm »








Great Civilisations Meet their Doom





Incredible as it may seem, archaeologists have found evidence in India and Pakistan, indicating that some cities were destroyed in atomic explosions. When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city.

And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.

These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal.26

The Russian archaeologist A. Gorbovsky mentions the high incidence of radiation associated with the skeletons in his 1966 book, Riddles of Ancient History.27 Furthermore, thousands of fused lumps, christened "black stones", have been found at Mohenjo-Daro. These appear to be fragments of clay vessels that melted together in extreme heat.

Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude.

One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon.28, 29, 30

The cities were wiped out entirely.
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« Reply #93 on: December 18, 2007, 06:17:31 pm »








If we accept the Lemurian Fellowship stories as fact, then Atlantis wanted to waste no more time with the Priest-Kings of Rama and their mental tricks.

In terrifying revenge, they utterly destroyed the Rama Empire, leaving no country even to pay tribute to them. The areas around the cities of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro have also been desolated in the past, though agriculture takes place to a limited extent in the vicinity today.

It is said in esoteric literature that Atlantis at the same time, or shortly afterwards, also attempted to subjugate a civilisation extant in the area of the Gobi Desert, which was then a fertile plain. By using so-called scalar wave weaponry and firing through the centre of the Earth, they wiped out their adversaries--and possibly did themselves in at the same time!

Much speculation naturally exists in connection with remote history. We may never actually know the complete truth, though ancient texts still in existence are certainly a good start.

Atlantis met its own doom, according to Plato, by sinking into the ocean in a mighty cataclysm--not too long after the war with the Rama Empire, I imagine. 
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« Reply #94 on: December 18, 2007, 06:18:34 pm »








Kashmir is also connected with the fantastic war that destroyed the Rama Empire in ancient times. The massive ruins of a temple called Parshaspur can be found just outside Srinagar.

It is a scene of total destruction. Huge blocks of stone are scattered about a wide area, giving the impression of explosive annihilation.31 Was Parshaspur destroyed by some fantastic weapon during one of the horrendous battles detailed in the Mahabharata?

Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity.

No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site.

Orthodoxy cannot, of course, concede nuclear possibilities for such craters, even in the absence of any material meteorite or related evidence.

If such geologically recent craters as the Lonar are of meteoric origin, then why don't such tremendous meteorites fall today?

The Earth's atmosphere 50,000 years ago probably was not much different from today's, so a lighter atmosphere cannot be advanced as an hypothesis to explain an immense-sized meteorite, which of course would be considerably reduced by heat oxidisation within a gaseously heavier atmosphere. A theory was advanced by American space consultant Pat Frank, to the effect that some of the huge craters on the Earth may be scars from ancient nuclear explosions!32

The echoes of ancient atomic warfare in southern Asia continue to this day, with India and Pakistan currently threatening each other. Modern India is proud of its nukes, likening them to "Rama's Arrow". Similarly, Pakistan would love to use its Islamic atomic bombs on India. Ironically, Kashmir, possibly the site of an earlier atomic war, is the focus of this conflict. Will the past repeat itself in Pakistan and India?

There is always the possibility that this has all happened before.

Déjà vu!
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« Reply #95 on: December 18, 2007, 06:20:06 pm »








Endnotes



18. Keller, Werner, The Bible As History, Hodder & Stoughton, London, 1956.

19. Lewis, L.M., Footprints on the Sands of Time, Signet Books, New York, 1975.

20. Service, Alistair, Lost Worlds, Arco Publishing, New York, 1981.

21. ibid.

22. Kolosimo, Peter, Timeless Earth, University Press, Secaucus, New Jersey, 1974.

23. Reader's Digest, The World's Last Mysteries, Reader's Digest Association, Inc., Pleasantville, New York, 1976.

24. Berlitz, Charles, Mysteries of Forgotten Worlds, Doubleday, New York, 1972.

25. ibid.

26. ibid.

27. Gorbovsky, A., Riddles of Ancient History, Soviet Publishers, Moscow, 1966.

28. Kolosimo, ibid.
 
29. Tomas, Andrew, We Are Not the First, Souvenir Press, London, 1971.

30. Gorbovsky, ibid.

31. Childress, David Hatcher, Lost Cities of China, Central Asia & India, Adventures Unlimited Press, Stelle, Illinois, 1991.

32. Collyns, Robin, Laserbeams From Star Cities, Sphere Books, London, 1971.
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« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2007, 06:22:52 pm »








About the Author:




David Hatcher Childress is an explorer, publisher and author of more than 15 books on lost civilisations

and science as well as on free energy, antigravity and UFOs. He is a regular speaker on the conference

circuit and a sought-after guest on US radio talk shows and TV specials.



This article is extracted from his new book, Technology of the Gods: The Incredible Sciences of the

Ancients (Adventures Unlimited Press), reviewed in NEXUS 7/05.





http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/ancatomicwar1.html
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« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2008, 10:32:26 am »









     Ancient Writings Samarangana Sutradhara and the charged sheath vortex tornado fusion drive





These theories were developed originally to explain the development and formation of tornados. They involve no new science theory, merely application of what we already know.
I was struck by the similarities to an exercise used to teach students how to analyse information scientifically and with an open mind. See My UFO project

The coincidences seemed remarkable, so I did a little more research to see if anybody else was working in the same area. The matches came not from modern science, but translations of ancient Indian writings.

Now I would normally simply discard that as an interesting coincidence, nothing more.

But I decided to see if this could be used as another student exercise in analysing data and rationl scientific analysis.

The ancient Indian writings describe a technical civilisation with flight capabilities, possibly space flight, and this civilisation ends with horrendous weapons and what could be a very accurate description of a nuclear holocaust.

So what do we need before we can say, that on the balance of the evidence, this civilisation was real?
In order to start developing a knowledge of science and a technological base you must have copper, lead, tin, and iron, and be mining, smelting and processing these in sufficient quantities to leave a trace worldwide in ice cores. The Greek and Roman industrial development left a clear signature. Our ancient civilisation, if it existed, must also have left a similar trace.

Nuclear fission leaves a clear signature, and the fallout from a nuclear war should be clearly visible in cores of coral reefs.

Glass produced by a fission or fusion bomb over desert fusing the desert sand will remain.

Climatologists today emphasise that a nuclear winter would almost certainly follow a nuclear war, so too we should expect a nuclear winter to show its clear signature in ice cores and in the coral cores.

One of the less pleasant aspects of our current civilisation is the rapid loss of many of the larger animal species. We should expect a similar megafauna extinction event to have accompanied an ancient civilisation.

So, we have set our test for an ancient technological civilisation.
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« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2008, 10:33:38 am »









But there is a problem with dating the past.



If an ancient nuclear war did occur then carbon isotope ratios would not show a steady year by year change. During the period in which nuclear fusion and fission devices were in operation carbone isotopes would be produced that would make dating that period using carbon 14 analysis chaotic. This becomes another prerequisite of our test for a nuclear civilisation. Undisturbed sediment cores, ice cores and carbon from well stratified layers show chaotic dates.
We cannot use carbon 14 as the method of dating because of this possibility. Instead we must rely on counting year by year the ice in deep cores from the fluctuations in summer and winter snows, and in counting year by year through sediment cores from lakes where the bottom has never been disturbed, and the layers from the annual cycle is visible. We can do the same for coral growth. And tree rings from logs preserved in peat deposits provide another year by year counting method.

The ice cores can show temperature as well as mineral dust, and there are now complete cores from the middle of the greenland ice cap.

Coral absorbs uranium from the surrounding sea water, Uranium decays radioactively into U234, and then into Thorium 230, at a known rate. So the thorium/uranium ratio accurately indicates the age of the coral, and by working back from the present concentration we can work out the concentration of uranium in the coral when it was alive. This same method can be used to date formations in limestone caves.
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« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2008, 10:34:48 am »









The Evidence for an Ancient Technological (Nuclear) Civilisation



When you plot graphs of all the key criteria I have set out against time and mark all those points that could be significant, they all line up at one point!
They line up at the end of the Dryas period!

The ice cores show that at the end of the last ice age temperatures increased steadily for the next thousand years. Traces of copper, tin and lead show marked increases!

The Older Dryas period ends abruptly with a dramatic drop in temperatures.

This may co-incide with megafauna extinction events of Mammoths as well as the megafauna of North and South America

Uranium concentrations in coral jump dramatically from about 1.5 parts per million to over 4 parts per million at about this period

Radio carbon dates at this period are chaotic! Studies of layered deposits laid down by lakes provide confirmation of irregularities in the chronological record. Fiedel cites studies of a Scandinavian lake-bed sequence, where a date reversal occurs in the deposits lying just beneath deposits indicating the onset of Younger Dryas. A radiocarbon date of 10,750 +/- 100 years B.P. occurs 16 centimeters below a date of 10,995 +/- 75. That 16 cm is possibly equivalent to about 500 years of deposition according to the lake-bed research. Fiedel says the 10,750 date is sandwiched between dates of 11,065 +/- 150 and 11,630 +/- 190 radiocarbon years.

This research by Svante Bjorck of the University of Copenhagen and colleagues on lake-bed deposits in Scandinavia revealed large jumps in radiocarbon age from around 11,400 to 10,900 years ago. Their Swedish lake-bed sediments dated by accelerator mass spectrometer and coeval German tree ring data revealed that after 11,000 to 10,900 radiocarbon years ago, radiocarbon dates suddenly leaped to 10,600 (Folsom-age). Further, Bjorck and colleagues reported that before a radiocarbon dip at around 12,600 years ago, there appears to have been an increased ratio of carbon-14 and that was preceded by another dip that began about 13,200 years ago.

Carbon-14 dates for pollen-bearing strata at Rotsee, Switzerland, show a comparable pattern. Fiedel reports that the stratigraphic sequence from the Swiss core reveals the following reversal in the column: at 795 cm, approximately 11,600 and 11,200 radiocarbon years; at 790 cm, 11,350 years; at 780 cm, 10,600 years; at 770 cm, 11,000 years; and at 760 cm (just after onset of the Younger Dryas), 10,400 years. He notes that similar reversals of AMS radiocarbon dates between 10,660-10,900 years ago have been reported in Atlantic Canada lake-bed cores, for example at Splan Pond, where a radiocarbon date of 10,970 +/- 90 overlies a date of 10,690 +/- 80. ( see http://www.peak.org/csfa/mt12-4.html)

Fused desert sands have been found, notably in the Egyptian desert, but dates from fision track analysis (which assumes non nuclear origin) contradict geological observations on the ground.
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« Reply #100 on: April 04, 2008, 10:36:15 am »








Was there an ancient nuclear civilization?



All the evidence supports the hypothesis that a technological civilisation developed in the 1000 years immediately after the last ice age. It mined and smelted copper, lead, tin and almost certainly iron. During this period it hunted and destroyed all the megafauna predators from all continents, and destroyed most of the Mammoths, and the megafauna in the Americas.

It developed a nuclear capability and then destroyed itself in a nuclear holocaust. The nuclear holocaust was followed by a nuclear winter that returned the world to an ice age for a further 1000 years before the warmth returned.

It has taken 8000 years to recover from a nuclear war!!!

There is no evidence that suggests the nuclear winter was a natural event. It doesn't fit in with the expected global warming of the climate models.
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« Reply #101 on: April 04, 2008, 10:38:08 am »









                  So the evidence supports the hypothesis of an ancient technological civilisation -



                                                   what are the implications?




                           A translation of ancient texts - The Samarangana Sutradhara





"They were propelled by air and inside is placed a mercury engine with an iron heating apparatus beneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury sets the driving whirlwind in motion. When it has been heated by the controlled fire from the iron containers a thunder power is developed through the mercury. If the iron engine with the properly wielded joints be filled with mercury and fire conducted into the upper part, it develops the power with the roar of the lion."
"..inside it (the vimana) one must place the mercury-engine with its iron heating apparatus beneath. By means of the 'power latent in the mercury' which sets the driving 'whirlwind' in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky in a most marvelous manner.

Similarly by using the prescribed processes one can build a vimana as large as the temple of the God-in-motion. Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure.

When these have been heated by controlled fire from iron containers, the vimana develops thunder-power through the mercury. And at once it becomes a pearl in the sky.

Moreover, if this iron engine with properly welded joints be filled with mercury, and the fire be conducted to the upper part it develops power with the roar of a lion."
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« Reply #102 on: April 04, 2008, 10:39:28 am »









Nuclear Event in North America



see by Richard B. Firestone, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and William Topping, Consultant, Baldwin, Michigan

"Our research indicates that the entire Great Lakes region (and beyond) was subjected to particle bombardment and a catastrophic nuclear irradiation that produced secondary thermal neutrons from cosmic ray interactions. The neutrons produced unusually large quantities of 239 Pu and substantially altered the natural uranium abundance ratios ( 235 U/238 U) in artifacts and in other exposed materials including cherts, sediments, and the entire landscape. These neutrons necessarily transmuted residual nitrogen ( 14 N) in the dated charcoals to radiocarbon, thus explaining anomalous dates."
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« Reply #103 on: April 04, 2008, 10:41:59 am »









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I am still trying to confirm that this is a genuine extract from a genuine old document: The Samarangana Sutradhara.
The Vymaanika Shaastra is not an ancient document, but was written in early 1900. There is always the possibility that it was a document learnt by heart and later re-written, but its content, where intelligible, reflects the interests and technology of the late 1890s and 1900, plus recipes for making various types of glass. I would tend to discount it.

I have been investigating the validity of these translations and of the text itself. There is no doubt that some of these texts exist, and there may be more scattered in old monasteries. There are many references to these texts in Indian government and scientific publications.

The original language of the text deals in concepts, and the interpreter has used their own understanding of science in creating the english language version. It seems highly likely that the texts contain more highly developed concepts than the present translation indicates. The texts cover a very wide range of topics, from town planning, health and hygiene including a detailed description of vaccination, to wide ranging discussion of mechanics and scientific observation, method and theories.

All the areas that I have looked at reveal a local civilisation with knowledge and skills in many areas similar to our own in 2001. There is no reason to doubt from those texts that this civilisation did exist.

So when I examine some of the scientific works of these texts, I am reading them as a scientist accepting the text at face value. I find descriptions of electricity and mechanics that are in full agreement with todays science. I find descriptions of vimana, aircraft of many designs, that are all scientifically feasible, except that they require a powerful and controllable power source.

Now the text quoted above is one description of such a power source, but the translation is by a person who doesn't understand the concepts.






My translation:



"They were propelled by air and inside is placed a mercury engine with an iron box containing a radioactive source beneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury sets the driving vortex in motion. When it has been radiated by alpha particles from the iron containers a thunder power (proton proton fusion is catalysed by the mercury.) If the iron engine with the properly welded joints be filled with mercury and the hot mercury plasma is channeled into the upper part, it develops the power with the roar of the lion."

The hot mercury plasma could be used to drive a turbine, or directly used as the primary coil of a transformer to develop extremely powerful electromagnetic fields, and electricity.

After reading descriptions from the ancient Indian writings about the vehicle powered by the contents of a ,metallic box and mercury, it seems to me that the contents of the metal box is simply a source of powerful alpha radiation. This would charge the mercury with alpha particles.

If these experiments don't support my hypothesis then the ancient writings will remain for me an unexplained riddle. But if they do support my hypothesis, then I would change to 99% the probability of there having been a local technical civilisation somewhere on this planet in the past.

But remember why those ancient books were written. If the science and technology they describe stands up to close scrutiny, and it seems to, then the history and the reasons for writing the books should also be examined with care.

These books were written some time after a nuclear war in which two great civilisations destroyed themselves.

The remnants of these civilisations were attempting to record their knowledge for the future. They may have been written some time after the destruction, when the writers themselves may not have been the scientists who fully understood the concepts being described.

Changes may have been made in the texts as they were copied and recopied over the generations.
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It should be possible to date this conflict using radioactive measurements of sediment cores taken in the great Indian rivers - assuming the civilisation was somewhere in India, but the remnants of the population displaced by nuclear war may have evacuated to India, and the battle may have taken place in another region of the world.

There are several glass deserts, where the desert surface has been fused to glass, and looks just like the effects of a fision or fusion bomb. Has anyone dated this glass to test the hypothesis that these were the sites of ancient bomb tests or war?

Are there any language scholars out there who can provide an english translation of concepts, rather than trying to identify the science, of the ancient texts.

There are a few plants that could only have been distributed round the world at some time in the past by people. Papyrus is one of these. It originates in Egypt and the Sudan, but is also found in lake Titicaca in the Andes and on Easter Island. Has anyone done sediment cores in these lakes that could identify when it first started growing there?
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