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Examining the World at 10,000 to 9,000 bc

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« on: February 03, 2007, 08:29:04 pm »

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Originally posted by Briwnys:
[qb] Brooke,

   
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Simply put, 12,000 years ago,
there were no stratified societies (ranking is in evidence no earlier than 8,000 BC),
there were no cities (the first was Catalhoyuk, 6300 BC),
there was no monumental architecture (megalithic tombs, 5000 BC).
There were no domesticated cattle (southwest Asia, 6000 BC),
there was no bronze production (5000 BC),
there were no domesticated horses (Ukraine 4000 BC) or wheels (Mesopotamia, 3000 BC).
No roads (Sweet Track, 3000 BC), certainly no canals, aqueducts or bridges.
No ships (Egypt, 2600 BC). I
n fact, according to all the archaeological evidence gathered to date, 12,000 years ago, every single person on the planet was a hunter-gatherer living in an egalitarian band.
  • No stratified societies? Egyptian prehistory claims that an ethnic/class war took place between the Anu and the Mesnitu (10,000 BCE)
  • There were no cities? Archaeologists have found 10,000 year old cities beneath the North Sea
  • No monumental architecture? Stone alleys of menhirs dated to 9,000 BCE have been discovered on the Aksai, a tributory of the Don river, in SE Russia.
  • No domesticated cattle? According to your post on the Cardial Culture, bones of domesticated sheep and kernels of grain were carbon-14-dated to 7000-6000 BCE.(All domesticated quadrupeds,including cows, horses, swine and sheep are technically cattle).
  • No domesticated horses? Cave art going back 28,000 years depicts horses with headbands
  • No ships? Vessels made of skin on wooden frames, capable of navigating coastal waters along the Atlantic and Baltic, were in use by the Fosna-Hensbacka culture by 8500 BCE
Perhaps the conferees at Milos should re-examine the archaeological evidence.

Briwnys [/qb]
Nice post, Briwyns, however, you'll note that most archaeologists tend to go with the more conservative dates!  Also, they tend to need a lot of evidence in order to overturn their current theories.

Getting back to your points: stratified societies, I'm sure they date well back from 8000 bc, however I'm not sure that the Egyptian stuff is, in itself, proof! The Egyptian pre-history tends to be mythological until we can find actual proof of this "class war."

Cities beneath the North Sea I'd love to hear more about them and see some pix.  I did a check on google and only came up with a sunken plaine:

 
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UNDERWATER CLUES TO ISLAND'S PREHISTORY
A DOUGLAS scientist who's helped reveal the prehistoric lost world beneath the North Sea could use the same techniques to discover how the Isle of Man first became inhabited.

Simon Fitch, 25, is in the second year of a PhD in the geoarchaeology of the Southern North Sea at Birmingham University.

He studied for a degree in geology at Durham University, before completing a master's degree in landscape archaeology at the University of Birmingham

As part of a small team of archaeologists, geologists and engineers he's exploring and visualising the hidden landscape which was a large plain where humans hunted animals and gathered plants more than 10,000 years ago.

Simon, who's based at the university's Institute of Archaeology and Antiquity, has played a pivotal role in the project, exploring and analysing key data.

He hopes his expertise could help historians discover more about the Island.

'Using the technology we could firm up dates when the Isle of Man was first populated,' he explained.

Full story in today's Examiner.
23 February 2004
http://www.iomonline.co.im/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=870&ArticleID=744388

As for the menhirs dated to 9,000 BCE discovered on the Aksai, I can buy that:

 
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Alexander Ludov, Don student of local lore has made a strange discovery not far from the burial mound "Stone" within the basin of the Aksai river (in SE European Russia, a tributory of the 1200 mile Don river). He spotted several gigantic stones in the middle of a steppe. The overall stone structure resembled that of the British Stonehenge (don't they all - AB).

Actually, unlike the famous Stonehenge, this local construction consists of vertically erected massive rocks or megaliths. (thank you - AB)

Long "Menhir alleys" made of stone stretch directly from East to West. According to results of a geological expedition, the site dates back to approximately 9 000 BC. Thus, these megaliths are much older than those megaliths located in Britain and other places.

-These rocks do not contain traces of limestone or any other kinds of rocks that are commonly found in our steppes. These rocks are made of quartz, - tells Alexander Ludov. - Today, we can only guess about the initial forms of the megaliths. For centuries, people have been looting the archaeological site. However, the damages had not been too drastic. This is the first discovery of megaliths in the European part of Russia. Back in the days, similar stone monuments have been discovered only in Caucasus and Siberia. And in all the cases, archaeologists claim, those megalithic constructions had been erected by some newcomers, not locals.

The fact that the Don megaliths represent the most ancient of archaeological sites, considers Alexander Ludov, allows us to presume that our civilization had in fact taken its roots from the Don region. Perhaps, ancient people erected such monuments to commemorate their deceased relatives. Though some present-day researchers consider that menhirs and cromlehs are not simply stone mounds but precisely engineered structures. It is also noteworthy to mention that such structures all over the world are made of quartz, a special kind of stone that is capable of radiating ultrasound waves.

"Scientists were able to determine that during spring and fall equilibrium radiation of the quartz stones tends to activate. As a result, the stones begin to "sing" within the ultrasound range of the changing frequency," tells Alexander Dmitrievich. "Perhaps, that is the reason why quartz is used for construction of such sacred shrines. However, what exact knowledge our ancestors possessed about power of stones and why they erected menhirs and cromlehs in the first place will remain a mystery forever.

Unfortunately, just like many ancient relics, which remain under open air, Ludov"s find cannot be protected against vandalism. Perhaps, in a few centuries there will be nothing left of the Don Stonehenge.

Source: Pravda
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146411929

Could be that a lot of these megaliths are dated wrongly! It would be nice if we could have evidence that they were of the same culture.

As for ships being created earlier, I'm pretty sure they were.  Australia and other isles have evidence of early habitation and people had to get there somehow.  Domesticated cattle, of course! I would put it at shortly after the Ice Age ended. I'd like to see more evidence that the horse was domesticated as early as you say, the cave paintings may depict bridles, but I've found that some of that early imagery tends to be open to interpretation - what we really need is a rider! 

Thanks,

Brooke
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