ANCIENT FLYING MACHINES
Qoais:
From the Libyan Glass Thread:
Quote
"The floods extended for Sudas. Indra made them easy to cross. The hostile army, speakers of a new language, the unworthy gained the curse of the rivers. Of evil mind, trying to drain the Earth, the unwise parted the Parushni river. They went to their goal, their defeat on the Parushni. Even the swift did not return. Indra for Sudas, for men, defeated the strong, unfriendly people of false speech." (VII.18.5, 8
I note it says "new language" which may mean exactly that but then it says false speech, which may mean they were worshipping different gods. So these 10 Kings COULD have been the Atlantean kings.
I know a lot of folks don't believe in the Urantia Book, but it does tie this together, at least to me it does :D
We have 500,000 years since the Planetary Prince arrived here with his staff - people who had all knowledge of the universes.
200,000 years ago, the Prince rebelled - some staff went with him, some did not. Up until 200,000 years ago, the Prince did not use his ultra knowledge to accomplish things on earth. He did come to teach, but it was supposed to be a slow method. However, once the rebellion took place, there would be no limit to what he and his staff could do.
A brief summary:
Lucifer was our System Sovereign - ruling 607 inhabited worlds. His right-hand man was Satan, and Daligastia/Caligastia was Planetary Prince. (These "entities always come in pairs) It was he who rebelled originally, against the God created order. It was his contention that:
"worship could be accorded the universal forces - physical, intellectual, and spiritual - but that allegiance could be acknowledged only to the actual and present ruler, Lucifer, the "friend of men and angels" and the "God of Liberty". He promised the planetary princes that they should rule the worlds as supreme executives.
Those who stayed loyal to the Prince and Lucifer, likely just carried on and developed technologies and ruled the world as "gods". They certainly sound like ego-maniacs. The ones that stayed true to God the Creator may have maintained the original teachings as we see with the Tibetan Monks. (Not Brahman or Buddhas)
KTCat:
I think if any group of people probably has the answer to ancient India, it will be found in the Tamil histories, which look like they may will be based upon a history much older than even the Rig Veda. Unlike Sanskrit, Tamil is still a living, spoken language and is in use primarily in the Southern parts of India by the people typically referred to as "Dravidians." These are the poor people who comprise the vast majority of the 200 million people in India called the "untouchables" by the Vedic caste system.
The following site gives you a basic rundown of what the Tamil language and history is all about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Primary_Classical_Language_of_the_World
I have looked in vain for English translations of the Tamil epics and to date have not found them. They represent the people also referred to as the "Pandyas" in the Tamil language or the "Panis" in the Sanskrit Vedic texts. It's these people who were evidently the big losers in India's ancient war. The Vedic histories were written by the winners of that war, so of course, the spin is going to be in the direction of Indra etc.
But I want to read the histories written by the Losers! Whatever the truth is, we already have access to the Aryan Vedic version of things. I sure want to hear the other side of the story, because I rather suspect that the missing part of history that we are all looking for was written by the losers of the ancient wars.
Also, though this isn't the thread for it, I can tell you right now that in the Edfu texts, the god system that originally occupied the old Rostau, which is Giza, was called the "p-n god," and he and his descendants were all killed off in an ancient war that ultimately ended in a big flood.
Since the texts imply that it was Vedic India that settled both Sumer and Egypt and they hated the Pandya/Panis, I think I am justified in asking if the "p-n god" described in the Edfu texts stood for Pandya/Panis and were they the ones who originally occupied Giza?
Bianca:
Ancient Writings tell of UFO visit in 4,000 B.C.
Contributed by John Burrows
http://www.ufobbs.com/txt3/2124.ufo
India, according to Dr.V. Raghavan, retired head of the Sanskrit department of India`s pretigious University of Madras, was alone in playing host to extraterrestrials in prehistory. Dr. Raghavan contends that centuries-old documents in Sanskrit (the classical language of India and Hinduism) prove that aliens from outer space visited his nation. "Fifty years of researching this ancient works convinces me that there are livings beings on other planets, and that they visited earth as far back as4,000 B.C., " The scholar says. "There is a just a mass of fascinating information about flying machines, even fantastic science fiction weapons, that can be found in translations of the Vedas (scriptures), Indian epics, and other ancient Sanskrit text. "In the Mahabharata (writings), there is notion of divine lighting and ray weapons, even a kind of hypnotic weapon. And in the Ramayana (writings), there is a description of Vimanas, or flying machines, that navigated at great heights with the aid of quicksilver and a great propulsive wind. "These were space vehicles similar to the so-called flying saucers reported throughout the world today.
The Ramayana even describes a beautiful chariot which 'arrived shining, a wonderful divine car that sped through the air'. In another passage, there is mention of a chariot being seen 'sailing overhead like a moon.' "The references in the Mahabharata are no less astounding: `
At Rama`s behest, the magnificent chariot rose up to a mountain of cloud with a tremendous din.` Another passage reads: `Bhima flew with his Vimana on an enormous ray which was as brilliant as the sun and made a noise like the thunder of a storm." In the ancient Vymanka-Shastra (science of aeronautics), there is a description of a Vimana: "An apparatus which can go by its own force, from one place to place or globe to globe." Dr. Raghavan points out, "The text`s revelations become even more astounding. Thirty-one parts-of which the machine consists-are described, including a photographing mirror underneath. The text also enumerates 16 kinds of metal that are needed to construct the flying vehicle: `Metals suitable, lighare 16 kinds. `But only three of them are known to us today. The rest remain untranslatable." Another authority who agrees with Dr. Raghavan`s interpretations is Dr. A.V. Krishna Murty, professor of aeronautics at the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore. "It is true," Dr. Krishna Murty says, "that the ancient Indian Vedas and other text refer to aeronautics, spaceships, flying machines, ancient astronauts. "A study of the Sanskrit texts has convinced me that ancient India did know the secret of building flying machines-and that those machines were patterned after spaceships coming from other planets."
The Vedic traditions of India tell us that we are now in the Fourth Age of mankind. The Vedas call them the "The Golden Age", "The Silver Age", and "The Bronze Age" and we are now, according to their scriptures in the "The Iron Age". As we approach the end of the 20th century both Native Americans, Mayans, and Incans, prophecies claim that we are coming to the end of an age. Sanskrit texts are filled with references to Gods who fought battles in the sky using Vihmanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times.
For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads:
The Puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will.... that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky.".. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere."
In the Mahabharata, an ancient Indian poem of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a Vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The poem is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones we are capable of deploying.
Apart from 'blazing missiles', the poem records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'. In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's Vimana, the Saubha is made invisiblein some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: 'I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound'.
Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis. The narrative records:
Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashesthe entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas.
It is important to note, that these kinds of records are not isolated. They can be cross-correlated with similar reports in other ancient civilizations.
The after-affects of this Iron Thunderbolt have anonymously recognizable ring. Apparently, those killed by it were so burnt that their corpses were unidentifiable. The survivors fared little ether, as it caused their hair and nails to fall out. Perhaps the most disturbing and challenging, information about these allegedly mythical Vimanas in the ancient records is that there are some matter-of-fact records, describing how to build one. In their way, the instructions are quite precise. In the Sanskrit Samaraanganasutraadhaara it is written:
Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth.
The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.
More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc. 'Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology' From The Anti-Gravity Handbook by D. Hatcher Childress.
Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient India and Atlantis. What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic; many arethe well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old sanskrit.
The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having beenconverted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle. The"Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or else where (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists. Ashoka was also aware of devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before.
Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships! Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti- gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough tocounteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate. Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet,according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. Themanuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the cap ofinvisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead."Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but thenbecame more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their spaceprogram! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be researching anti-gravity. The manuscripts did not say definitely that interplanetary travel was evermade but did mention, of all things, a planned trip to the Moon, though it is not clear whether this trip was actually carried out.
However, one of the great Indian epics,the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it of atrip to the moon in a Vihmana (or "Astra"), and in fact details a battle on themoon with an "Asvin" (or Atlantean") airship. This is but a small bit ofrecent evidence of anti-gravity and aerospace technology used by Indians. To really understand the technology, we must go much further back in time. The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at leastfifteen thousand years ago on the Indian subcontinent and was a nation of manylarge, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India. Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid- Atlantic Ocean, and wasruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities.
The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu texts as The Seven Rishi Cities According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound." There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships").
The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English. The Samaraanganasutraadhaara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana.
There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadwaj the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightning and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity."
The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas. This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27067
Bianca:
Md. Sungate:
I think I just solved your problem about finding the connection with mercury - you know, the "drop
of mercury' that you asked me about. Well, with Mercury Retro (as you know), I have been "boo-
booing' all over the place. But from the fog, I suddenly had a flash of insight: we have been using
the wrong name for the 'liquid silver' - how about : QUICKSILVER?
So, as usual, I hurried over to Google and typed in VIMANA-QUICKSILVER. There came up so much,
I hightailed it right back here. It's almost 9Pm and the 4 year old just left, after almost a week. I'm
just too tired to pursue this. Besides, it's your 'baby"
Good hunting,
b
KTCat:
I read this same article online yesterday, and have been thinking about it since. It's seems nigh onto impossible to know whether we should classify those high tech individuals in the Vedic texts as "extraterrestrial" or simply as men. And while the possibility of extraterrestrials interfering with our human race certainly remains a valid theory, if those ETs existed then undoubtedly they were ultimately in charge of the Vedic military, political, scientific and religious systems. All through the Vedic texts, we see evidence for a distinct and obvious hierarchal system based upon solar and lunar dynasties, all claiming, of course, to represent "heaven." Today, the trouble I have with the ET theory is the fact that whether ETs exist or not, the government today and presumably even in ages past, seems perfectly willing to hide their own advanced and totally human technologies behind the front of possible extraterrestrial intervention. I would bet money that in the last 30 years alone, at least 85% of the UFOs sited are actually secret experimental air craft designed by human hands. The government seems perfectly willing to deny ETs on one hand, while on the other, they really don't do anything much to discourage the belief in them. Governments simply seem to find the possibility of ET intervention an extraordinarily convenient veil to hide their own secret technologies behind. We can't really be certain that the same thing wasn't going on in antiquity.
The other thing that I found interesting was the "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men: great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences." I see a definite parallel there with the nine gods of the Egyptian Ennead. Though each god in the Ennead was given a name, and female gods were included in the Nine, theoretically, each god in the Ennead was also supposed to represent a "universal power" which can certainly be seen as the equivalent of a science. From ancient times, most sciences were thought of as representing either masculine or feminine energies, just as today the science of atoms, particle physics and all electrical fields are generally seen as having either a positive (masculine) or negative (feminine) charge. So the Vedic secret society of nine unknown men could have represented sciences that were seen as either masculine or feminine which was later translated as an analogy in the Egyptian Ennead. The ancients had an apparent love of the rather convoluted analogies and "sacred puns" but they are quite common throughout all the ancient texts.
It is also apparent that the Rama Empire included far more territory than just the continent of India. The Ramayana tells us…
"Rama ruled the earth for 11,000 years.
He gave a year-long festival
In this very Naimisha Forest.
All of this land was his kingdom then;
One age of the world ago'
Long before now, and far in the past.
Rama was king from the Center of the World,
To the Four Oceans' shores."
There is really only one place on earth that qualifies as "the Center of the World," and that is Giza. If Rama ruled "to the four oceans' shores" that certainly implies he was at one time the head of an ancient world-wide government. The above quote is one of the primary reasons I maintain that the Vedic Rama and the Egyptian Ra had to be one and the same.
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