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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2007, 01:07:18 pm »





Large Symbols Like Peruvian Signs Found on Gujarat Hillside

                               

Vadodara, Gujarat, India. August 6, 2006: Geologists have discovered a striking archaeological feature on a hillock in the Kutch district of the western Indian state of Gujarat. This feature is shaped like the Roman numeral VI. Each arm of this feature is a trench that is about two meters wide, two meters deep and more than 100 meters long. The feature has evoked the curiosity of archaeologists because such signs have mostly been observed so far in Peru. The team, led by Dr RV Karanth, a former professor of geology at the Maharaja Sayajirao University in Vadodara, Gujarat, has been involved in a palaeoseismological study of the Kutch region for the past 11 years Palaeoseismology involves the study of sediments, landforms and other geological evidence of past earthquakes to unravel their history and determine the nature and occurrence of present-day earthquakes. This feature was discovered at a hillock 3km from the sleepy oasis township of Khavda, which is also known as the gateway to the Rann of Kutch, an extensive salt marsh of western India and southeast Pakistan between the Gulf of Kutch and the Indus river delta.

Dr. Karanth says such trenches have not been noticed elsewhere in the region. Archaeologists, he says, can now pursue further research. Geometric lines and animal shapes etched into the desert plain by people of the Nazca civilisation (AD 1-700) of Peru are well known. "But such signs on hill-slopes have not been reported from Peru," says Dr. Karanth. He says that one of the prominent explanations given for the Peruvian features is that they may have been constructed to make astronomical observations and calculations. "The Tropic of Cancer passes through Kutch. So if this structure is man-made, it is likely that the slope of the hillock was utilized for making certain astronomical calculations in the past," explains the geologist. Interestingly, there are numerous indications to suggest that Harappans were well-versed in astronomy. The straight streets of that time were oriented in the cardinal directions - east, west, north and south. Linkages between ancient Harappan scripts and latter Vedic texts also suggest that Harappan priest-astronomers tracked the progress of various planets and mapped the sky. Dr. Karanth has also discovered ruins of a fort-wall, houses, storage tank and a temple on the hilltop.

(source: Large Symbols Like Peruvian Signs Found on Gujarat Hillside - bbcnews.co.uk). For more refer to chapter on India on Pacific Waves

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm
Also refer to Vedic India and the Primordial Tradition - in chapter Glimpses XIX
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2007, 01:10:10 pm »

Oppenheimer and Atom bomb in modern times



Only seven years after the first successful atom bomb blast in New Mexico, Dr. Robert Oppenheimer (1904-1967) Scientist, philosopher, bohemian, and radical. A theoretical  physicist and the Supervising Scientist of the Manhattan Project, who was familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature, was giving a lecture at Rochester University. During the question and answer period a student asked a question to which Oppenheimer gave a strangely qualified answer:

Student: Was the bomb exploded at Alamogordo during the Manhattan Project the first one to be detonated?

Dr. Oppenheimer: "Well -- yes. In modern times, of course.

Charles Berlitz goes on to quote a number of passages from the Mahabharata that describe the impact of a weapon that I suspect  must be the brahmaastra, although he neither names the weapon nor cites those sections of the text from which his quotations are drawn (he lists Protap Chandra Roy's translation of 1889 in his bibliography):...a single projectile Charged with all the power of the Universe.

An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as ten thousand Suns Rose in all its splendor......it was an unknown weapon, An iron thunderbolt, A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes. The Entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas....the corpses were so burned As to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected......To escape from this fire. The soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment...

One is reminded of the yet unknown final effect of a super-bomb when we read in the Ramayana of a projectile:

...So powerful that it could destroy
The earth in an instant -
A great soaring sound in smoke and flames...
And on it sits Death...

(source: Doomsday 1999 - By Charles Berlitz p. 118-122). For more on Oppenheimer, refer to Quotes 21-40).

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The Discovery of Dwaraka


Discovered in 1981, the well-fortified township of Dwaraka extended more than half a mile from the shore and was built in six sectors along the banks of a river before it became submerged.

The findings are of immense cultural and religious importance to India. Among the objects unearthed that proved Dwarka's connection with the Mahabharata epic was a sea engraved with the image of a three-headed animal. The epic mentions such a seal given to  the citizens of Dwarka as a proof of identity when the city was threatened by King Jarasandha of the  powerful Magadh kingdom (now Bihar). The foundation of boulders on which the city's walls were erected proves that the land was reclaimed from the sea about 3,600 years ago. The epic has references to such reclamation activity at Dwarka. Seven islands mentioned in it were also discovered submerged in the Arabian Sea. 

Why is that the rediscovery of Dwaraka has not attracted the same degree of attention in the West, as that of ancient Troy by Heinrich Schliemann? 

(Note: Please refer to Chapter on Dwaraka. For information on Lost city found off Indian coast, refer to chapter on Glimpses III). 



                                       
                                               DWARAKA
                                               Sculpture of Vishnu from onshore excavation




For more refer to chapter on Sacred Angkor

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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2007, 02:15:04 pm »

   
  Dwaraka
- A LOST CITY RECOVERED -


Dwaraka was a western Indian city submerged by the sea right after the death of Sri Krishna. This was regarded as a grandiose metaphor, part of a story filled with great myths. But in the early eighties an important archaeological site was found at the site of the legendary city of Lord Krishna.



Situated in Saurashtra, at a point where the Gomti river meets the Arabian sea, it has acquired multifarious names down the ages: Dwaraka, the gateway to eternal happiness; Swarnapuri, the city of gold, Swarnadwarika, the golden gateway. Why is that the rediscovery of Dwaraka has not attracted the same degree of attention in the West, as that of ancient Troy by Heinrich Schliemann?
Literary texts like the Mahabharata, Harivamsha and Purana contain traditions about the foundation of Dwaraka, its planning and glory. Before the legendary city of Dwaraka was discovered some scholars were of the view that the Mahabharata being only a myth it would be futile to look for the remains of Dwaraka and that too in the sea. Others held that the Kurukshetra battle was a family feud exaggerated into a war.
Excavations done by Dr. S.R. Rao at Dwaraka prove that the descriptions as found in these texts are not to be discarded as fanciful but are to be treated as based on actualities as seen by their authors. The architecture of the old Dwaraka of Krishna is majestic and wonderful. The great poet Premanand has in his Sudamacarit described its splendid beauty and majesty. Dwaraka is mentioned as Golden City in Mahabharata, Skanda Purana, Vishnu Purana and Harivamsha.
Interesting descriptions about its construction are found in Purana. «Fearing attack from Jarasangh and Kalayvan on Mathura, Sri Krishna and Yadavas left Mathura and arrived at the coast of Saurashtra. They decided to build their capital in the coastal region and invoke the Vishwakarma, the deity of construction. However, Vishwakarma says that the task can be completed only if Samudradeva, the Lord of the sea provided some land. Sri Krishna worshipped Samudradeva, who was pleased and gave them land measuring 12 yojans and the divine architect Vishwakarma build Dwaraka, a city in gold». Another story says that at the time of the death of Sri Krishna, who was hit by the arrow of a hunter near Somnath at Bhalka Tirth, Dwaraka disappeared in the sea.



The information and material secured through underwater excavation of Dwaraka corroborates with the references to the city of Dwaraka, made in various Sanskrit literary works. In Mahabharata, there is a specific account about the submerging of Dwaraka by the sea, which reads thus: «The sea, which had been beating against the shores, suddenly broke the boundary that was imposed on it by nature. The sea rushed into the city. It coursed through the streets of the beautiful city. The sea covered up everything in the city. Even as they were all looking, Arjuna saw the beautiful buildings becoming submerged one by one. Arjuna took a last look at the mansion of Krishna. It was soon covered by the sea. In a matter of a few moments it was all over. The sea had now become as placid as a lake. There was no trace of the beautiful city which had been the favourite haunt of all the Pandavas. Dwaraka was just a name; just a memory».
The importance of the discovery of Dwaraka lies not merely in providing archaeological evidence needed for corroborating the traditional account of the submergence of Dwaraka but also indirectly fixing the date of the Mahabharata which is a landmark in Indian history. The Thermoluminiscence date of the pottery from Bet Dwaraka which is also connected with the Krishna legend is 3520 years Before Present. Identical pottery is found in the submerged city of Dwaraka. Thus the results have proved that the account in Mahabharata as to the existence of a beautiful capital city of Dwaraka of Sri Krishna was not a mere figment of imagination but it did exist.



Besides the sea-ports, there were renowned cities which were washed away by the rivers on whose banks they were situated. We may cite here the case of Hastinapura and Pataliputra, situated on the bank of the river Ganga and falling victims to flood-fury. The Mahabharata mentions that Hastinapura was washed away by the Ganga and consequently the Pandavas had to migrate to Kaudambi. Pataliputra which was the premier city of the land (agranagara) and the test of the excellence of all the cities in the words of Dandin, the author of the Dashakumaracarita, later became the worst victim of inundation. The submerged parts of these cities are to be treated as protected monuments and great treasures of the ancient heritage of India. If Dwaraka excavations throw a flood of light on the history of the city which was associated with the life events of Krishna, the underwater excavations of Ayodhya situated on the bank of the river Sarayu might yield valuable information about the historicity of Rama, his age and contemporary urban status.



Since 1983 the Marine Archaeology Unit of the National Institute of Oceanography is engaged in the offshore exploration and excavation of the legendary city of Dwaraka in the coastal waters of Dwaraka in Gujarat. Brief accounts of the findings of the underwater search for the lost city have appeared in 1987, Progress and Prospects of Marine Archaeology in India, and in 1988, Marine Archaeology of Indian Ocean Countries.
A brief account of the discovery of the submerged city of Dwaraka of Mahabarata fame and the salient features of the structures exposed as a result of underwater excavation conducted at Dwaraka and Bet Dwaraka by the Marine Archaeology Unit of the National Institute of Oceanography under the direction of Dr. S.R. Rao from 1983 to 1987 appeared in 1988 (40 years of Research - A CSIR Overview). Offshore exploration of the legendary city at Dwaraka was resumed in 1988 and continued through 1990 (see the Journal of Marine Archaeology, 1990), further seaward of the Temple of Samudranardyana (Sea God) at Dwaraka with a view to trace the plan and extent of the port-city and the purpose of the massive stone walls built on the banks of ancient Gomati. It was also necessary to ascertain whether its architectural features were in conformation with the description of the city of Dwaraka given in the epic Mahabharata. A second object was to obtain more corroborative evidence for reclamation referred to in the epic. Thirdly, the nick point where the ancient Gomati river joined the sea had to be determined. Lastly, the cause of submergence of the city was another problem that needed further investigation.
Dwaraka was a city-state extending upto Bet Dwaraka (Sankhodhara) in the north and Okhamadhi in the south. Eastward it extended upto Pindara. The 30 to 40 meter-high hill on the eastern flank of Sankhodhara may be the Raivataka referred to in the Mahabharata. The general layout of the city of Dwaraka described in ancient texts agrees with that of the submerged city discovered. Four enclosures are laid bare; each one had one or two gateways. The port Aramda on way to Bet Dwaraka was the first gateway in the outer fortifications. The bastions flanking gateways of submerged Dwaraka resemble those of Kusinagara and Sravasti carved on the Gateways of Sanchi Stupa. The prasada referred to in the epic must be the high fort walls of Dwaraka, a part of which is extant. The epic says that flags were flying in the city of Dwaraka. This can be corroborated by the stone bases of flag posts found in the sea bed excavation. Umashankar Joshi is of the view that antardvipa in the region of Kugasthali referred to in the Mahabharata must be Bet Dwaraka. The Bhagavata Purana says that before leaving his mortal frame Sri Krishna put the ladies and children in boats and sent them to Sankhodhara.
The buildings built of smaller fraction stone blocks are razed to the ground leaving only small portions of the thick fort walls, bastions and protection walls (built with massive stones) which are too heavy to be moved by tides and currents. From the structural remains in Dwaraka and Bet Dwaraka waters, it is possible to visualise that the city-ports were large and well planned.
Every significant antiquity that corroborates a statement of the Harivamsa is the seal bearing the motif of a three-headed animal representing the bull, unicorn and goat. The Harivamsha says that every citizen of Dwaraka had to carry a mudra as a mark of identifications The seal (mudra) found in the excavation belongs to 15th-16th century B.C.
Nearly two decades after marine archeologists found the lost city of Dwaraka off the coast of Gujarat the state government continues to drag its feet on a proposal to establish the world's first underwater museum to view the remains of the city submerged in the Arabian Sea.



The proposal for the museum, submitted by the Marine Archeology Center of the National Institute of Oceanography in Goa, involves laying a submarine acrylic tube through which visitors can view through glass windows the ruins of the city said to have been be ruled by Sri Krishna, 3500 years ago.
Discovered in 1981, the well-fortified township of Dwaraka extended more than half a mile from the shore and was built in six sectors along the banks of a river before it became submerged. The findings are of immense cultural importance to India.
«The search for the lost city has been going on since 1930» — S.R. Rao, who is still actively involved in the excavations, told India Abroad. «It is only after marine archaeologists started exploring the sea-bed near modem Dwaraka from 1981 that the structural remains of the city were found».
Rao said that if a fraction of the funds spent on land archeology were made available for underwater archaeology, more light could be thrown on Dwaraka, which had much archeological significance because it was built during the second urbanization that occurred in India after the Indus Valley civilization in northwestern India. Dwaraka’s existence disproves the belief held by Western archeologists that there was no urbanization in the Indian subcontinent from the period between 1700 BC. (Indus Valley) and 550 BC. (advent of Buddhism). As no information was available about that period, they had labeled it the Dark Period.
«The findings in Dwaraka and archeological evidence found compatible with the Mahabharata tradition remove the lingering doubt about the historicity of the great epic. We would say Krishna definitely existed», said Rao. What is needed, he added, is the political will to reconstruct the cultural history of the Vedic and epic periods of northern India.
Over 200 experts from 84 countries, who gathered under the aegis of UNESCO in Paris recently to examine a draft convention on the issue, unanimously agreed that underwater cultural heritage was in urgent need of protection from destruction and pillaging.
In Dwaraka, Krishna is supposed to have built a mighty kingdom on a site selected for him by Vishnu’s learned ‘vahan’, Garud. The city he built is supposed to have extended over 104 kms. It was well fortified and surrounded by a moat, spanned by bridges, which were removed in the event of attack by an enemy.
Archaeological excavations have unearthed artifacts that prove that modern Dwaraka is the sixth settlement of the name on this site. The earlier cities have been, at various times, swallowed by the sea. The waves of the sea still lap the shores of this famous town, lending scenic beauty to this important pilgrimage destination.
The Dwarkadhish temple, dedicated to Sri Krishna, is the focal point of all pilgrimages. Parts of it date from the 12th-13th century and others from the 16th, but the Jag Mandir, its sanctum sanctorum, is supposed to be 2,500 years old. The hall in front is richly carved and supported by 60 massive pillars, each one hewn out of a single stone slab. Many of the sculptures date from the Maurya, Gupta and Chalukya periods. Some of the subjects are of Jaina and Buddhist origin. The temple is 157 feet high.
Another important pilgrimage site in the ancient city of Dwarka is Gomti ghat. The myth attached to the original temple says that it was built overnight at the instructions of Vajranabh, the great-grandson of Krishna, by the divine craftsman Vishvakarma. Archaeologists are undecided about the date of construction of the temple that exists now, but it is generally believed that it was rebuilt in the 10th or 11th century AD after the original temple was destroyed, probably during the Muslim invasions.
Most of the temples and pilgrimage spots around Dwaraka are associated with Krishna and the Vaishnavite tradition. However, the temple of Somnath, which is not very far from this place, is dedicated to Shiva as Nagnath or Nageshwar Mahadev, and enshrines one of the twelve ‘Jyotirlinga’ which according to the Purana manifested themselves as columns of light in different parts of the country. The magnificent temple that stands there now is a replica of the original temple.
An archaeological site, dating back to 7500 BC and older than hitherto oldest known human civilisations including those found in the Valley of Sumer, Harappa and Egypt, was discovered by a team of Indian marine archaeologists in the Gulf of Cambay off Gujarat coast. «For India, it was the first time that such an important discovery was reported from near Dwaraka site, the off-shore region where underwater archeological exploration was in progress», Union Minister for Science and Technology Murli Manohar Joshi said at a crowded Press conference.
«Further investigation of this area was important as it might throw some light on the development of human civilisation, besides having a bearing on the Indian history», concluded Dr. Joshi.





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THE VIMANAS - the Ancient Flying Machines

Science & Technologies of Ancient Scripts



ANCIENT FLYING MACHINES

There are reference to flying machines in the temple  carvings and in the ancient writings.

 The images found on the ceiling beams of a 3000-year old New Kingdom Temple, located several hundred miles south of Cairo and the Giza Plateau, at Abydos resembles modern day Aircrafts.

Reference to ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources, many are the well known ancient Indian Epics, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old sanskrit.

It is claimed that  a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull."

According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate. Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead."

19th Century Flying references
Shivkar Bapuji Talpade born in 1864, was a Sanskrit scholar. His birth place is Chirabazar at Dukkarwadi in Bombay. From his young age was attracted by the Vaimanika Sastra (Aeronautical Science) expounded by the great Indian sage Maharishi Bhardwaja.

One western scholar of Indology Stephen-Knapp  has tried to explain what Talpade did. According to Knapp, the Vaimanika Shastra describes in detail, the construction of what is called, the mercury vortex engine the forerunner of the ion engines being made today.

Shivkur Bapuji Talpade's unmanned aircraft flew to a height of 1500 feet before crashing down and the historian. Knapp adds that additional information on the mercury engines can be found in the ancient Vedic text called Samaranga Sutradhara. This text also devotes 230 verses, to the use of these machines in peace and war.

The Indologist William Clarendon, who has written down a detailed description of the mercury vortex engine in his translation of Samaranga Sutradhara quotes thus Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the power latent in the heated mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in a most marvelous manner.

Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When these have been heated by fire through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft) develops thunder-power through the mercury. It is also added that  this success of an Indian scientist was not liked by the Imperial rulers. Warned by the British Government the Maharaja of Baroda stopped helping Talpade. His efforts to make known the greatness of Vedic Shastras was recognised by Indian scholars, who gave him the title of Vidya Prakash Pra-deep.
 

Anti-Gravity Studies

The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle. The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each.

Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly undertand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists. if the Nazis had such weapons at their disposal during World War II. Ashoka was also aware devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other "futuristic weapons" that had destoryed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before.

According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound." There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships").

In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightening and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity."

The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas.

This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979. Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation located in Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that Vimanas were powered by some sort of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were .

Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on Vimanas, wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused on the princible of their propulsion. The "yellowishwhite liquid" sounds suspiciously like gasoline, and perhaps Vimanas had a number of different propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet" engines.

 

It is interesting to note that when Alexander the Great invaded India more than two thousand years ago, his historians chronicled that at one point they were attacked by "flying, fiery shields" that dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These "flying saucers" did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander's army however, perhaps out of benevolence, and Alexander went on to conquer India.

It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30's, in order to gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information! According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabarata, and the Ramayana, one Vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed on a mighty wind generated by mercury.

It moved like a UFO, going up, down, backwards and forewards as the pilot desired. In another Indian source, the Samar, Vimanas were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet scientists have discovered what they call "age-old instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert.

The "devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone with a drop of mercury inside. It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily similar to the Mohenjodaro script.

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled from older texts and traditions, we read: "An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka, conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare-"

 

The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the "ahnihotra-vimana" with two engines, the "elephant-vimana" with more engines, and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and other animals.

Unfortunately, Vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were ultimately used for war. Atlanteans used their flying machines, "Vailixi," a similar type of aircraft, to literally try and subjugate the world, it would seem, if Indian texts are to be believed. The Atlanteans, known as "Asvins" in the Indian writings, were apparently even more advanced technologically than the Indians, and certainly of a more war-like temperment. Although no ancient texts on Atlantean Vailixi are known to exist, some information has come down through esoteric, "occult" sources which describe their flying machines. Similar, if not identical to Vimanas, Vailixi were generally "cigar shaped" and had the capability of manuvering underwater as well as in the atmosphere or even outer space. Other vehicles, like Vimanas, were saucer shaped, and could apparently also be submerged.

According to Eklal Kueshana, author of "The Ultimate Frontier," in an article he wrote in 1966, Vailixi were first developed in Atlantis 20,000 years ago, and the most common ones are "saucershaped of generally trapezoidal cross-section with three hemispherical engine pods on the underside." "They use a mechanical antigravity device driven by engines developing approximately 80,000 horse power." The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until the second half of this century. The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war: "...(the weapon was) a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe.

"ANCIENT VIMANA AIRCRAFT" - a  Contribution by John Burrows Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the sky using Vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads: "The Puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will .... that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky." ".. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere."

In the Mahabharatra, an ancient Indian poem of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a Vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The poem is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones we are capable of deploying. Apart from 'blazing missiles', the poem records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'. In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's Vimana, the Saubha is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: 'I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound'.

Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis. The narrative records: "Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendour. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas." It is important to note, that these kinds of records are not isolated. They can be cross-correlated with similiar reports in other ancient civilizations.

The after-affects of this Iron Thunderbolt have an ominously recognizable ring. Apparently, those killed by it were so burnt that their corpses were unidentifiable. The survivors fared little etter, as it caused their hair and nails to fall out. Perhaps the most disturbing and challenging, information about these allegedly mythical Vimanas in the ancient records is that there are some matter-of-fact records, describing how to build one. In their way, the instructions are quite precise. In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara, it is written: "Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mecrcury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth."

The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: "The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives." More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc.

Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology From The Anti-Gravity Handbook by D. Hatcher Childress Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient India and Atlantis. What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic; many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old sanskrit. The Indian

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New Evidence of Ancient Indian Science Of Space Travel Source: Conspiracy Journal #205 April 11, 2003

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Passage taken from "The Bermuda Triangle" by Charles Berlitz (1974):
(translated from the Italian edition)

Among ancient written documents about airplans, perhaps the more complete ones are those of Mahabharata that, even if it's believed to be written in its actual form in 1500 BC, it was evidently copied many times since the remote past. The poem is about the deeds of  the gods and of the ancient people of India, but it contais also a so great richness of scientific details that, when it was translated in nineteenth century, translators weren't be able to understand the meaning of reference to airplanes and rockets, because mechanisms described thousands of years before will appear, in modern times, only a hundred and fifty years later. Many lines of the Mahabharata,dedicated to flying machines called vimanas, contain detailed informations on principles used to build them; this fact created a great confusion among translators.
In another ancient Indian book, the Samarangana Sutradhara, the advantages and disadvantages of various types of ariplanes are discussed, with their relative ability of ascending, descending and their cruising speed; and, in addition to a description of the source of power, the mercury, the book contains raccomandations about the kind of wood and light-weight and absorbing-heat metals, adapt for building airplanes. There are also details on how to photograph enemy plans, on methods for determining his approaching systems, on means to make his pilots unconscious, and, finally, on how to destroy the enemy vimanas.
In another ancient Indian classic, the Ramayana, there are curious descriptions of  travels by airplane, thousands of years ago. The details of the landscapes over Ceylon and over parts of the Indian shores are described with a so great naturalness and are so similar to those we can see today, the beach reeves, the curve of the Earth, the slopes of the hills, the appearance of the cities and of the forests, to almost convince the reader of the fact that some aerial travellers of the ancient past have really seen the Earth from the sky, instead of imagining it. In a contemporary epitome of the Ramayana, the Mahavira Charita, the good hero Rama, returned from Lanka, where he just saved his wife Sita, receives as a gift a special vimana, described in this way: "Without obstacles at the motion, capable to maintain the desired speed, perfect in controls, always obedient the will (of who drives it) supplied with little sitting-rooms with windows and excellent seats...", a case in which an ancient classic seems a modern advertisement for the Air India. In the same text we find a very amazing dialogue, if we consider that it precedes of several thousands of years the reality of the space flights, and also the observation on how things look from space.

Rama: "It seems that the motion of this excellent vehicle has changed ".
Vishishara: " Now this vehicle is going away from the closeness of the center of the world ".
Sita: " Why this circle of stars is visible... even at daylight? "
Rama: " Queen! It's really a circle of stars, but because of the huge distance we can't see it at daylight, because our eyes are darkened by the sunlight. But now, with the ascent of the vehicle, it happens no more... ( and so we can see the stars)".

These descriptions could be memories of a very ancient technically advanced civilization , or only fantasies similar to those ones of some actual science-fiction writers endowed with a great imagination: in every case, some of these reports seem strangely contemporary, except the material used as power source for the airplane (that however could be a misinterpretation of the original text): "In the inside there must be placed the mercury engine, and below it it has to be placed its heating device made of iron. By means of the potential energy of mercury, who starts the propelling air whirl, a man sitting in the inside can travel great distances in the sky... because the mercury containers must be built in the internal structure. When they are heated by a controlled fire, the vimana generates, thanks to mercury, the power of a thunder... If this iron machine with opportunely welded joints is filled with mercury and the fire is canalized in the higher part, it develops a lion-roaring energy... and suddenly it becomes like a pearl in the sky".


                                   



A Mayan plate of the Troanus Codex: there is a being (with a not very human appearance) who is operating on an apparent "flying machine". According to the French researcher Robert Charroux the device containing the X is interpretable as "engine", whereas in the higher part there is a device similar to the nozzles of a rocket. The being is turning on, or heating, the "machine" with a sort of torch, while with the other hand he holds an unknown thing. Note the surprising analogy between this Mayan picture and the description of  vimanas in ancient Indian holy texts.
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Passage taken from "Viaggiatori del tempo" (Time Travellers) by Peter Kolosimo:




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The funerary tumulus of Sce Huang-ti (or Ts'in Sce Huang-ti), the « yellow emperor », 48 meters high when it was discovered by the Segalen expedition, has five storeys and its side is 350 meters long, with a volume of  1,960,000 cubic meters; these dimensions make it, for  its bigness, the fourth monument of the world, after the Mexican pyramid of Cholula and the egyptian pyramids of Cheops and of Khephren. «The very serious chronicles of the historian Sseu-ma Ts'ien (135-85 B.C.), cided abundantly and very appreciated by Sinologists », Patrick Ferryn writes, « left us more than curious informations about this monumento ». Here there is an excerpt.
« Sce Huang-ti had all the empire into his hands. Workers who were sent to build the sepulchre were over 700,000. They dug the ground until they found water, then they casted the bronze into the hole and took the sarcophagus there. Buildings, palaces for all the administrations, wonderful tools, jewels and rare objects were carried and buried. Some craftsmen received the order to make crossbows and automatic arrows: if someone would dig a hole to enter the tomb, they would shot him. A true subterranean building rised there, where brooks of mercury drew eternal rivers: some machines made them pour and transmit them one another. On high there were all the signs of the sky, on the floor all the geographical dispositions. They made torches with seal fat, made to last for a lot of time. [...]. Then they put vegetation on the tumulus, in a way to make it seem a mountain ». [...]
Apart from tombs, in the desert of Gobi some objects were discovered, which testify the existance of an ancient civilization. We shall confine ourselves to cite, among these, perfect celestial maps of 20,000 years ago, and pictures representing unequivocally indians of South America, brought to light by the British archaeologist Aurel Stein together with some vases made by clay containing mercury.
We mentioned the mercury several times in this chapter. But which use could have had the one found in Gobi desert? The writer Jacques Bergier doesn't exclude that they could start from that metal to produce nuclear energy and he proposes the possibility that the very ancient culture of Gobi was destroyed by one of those tremendous wars waged with aircrafts and  incredible powerful explosives described by Hindu Holy Scriptures. We don't want to walk with the fantasy, but we have to note that in the desert we can meet (as observed also by Soviet researchers) wide regions of literally vitrified ground. The painter Nicolas Roerich, who explored these regions from 1920 to 1925, tells he saw a metallic airship to take off from a valley. And this happened long before people talked about UFO.
« Started from Darjeeling, in India », Jacques Bergier e Paul Chwat write, « his expedition went through the Himalaya, the Tibetan plateau and the mountain chain of  Kun-Lu, then it entered the Gobi. In the caravan a pony carried a chest containing a mysterious stone " which radiationis stronger of the one of the radium, but of another frequency" (?). It was a fragment fallen from the sky and kept, according to Andrew Tomas, in a temple of Shambhala».
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Passage taken from "Ancient Traces" by Michael Baigent (1998):
 
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Alchemists applied themselves to their art with great effort. Many laboratory techniques and instruments, used even today, certainly derive from them. The specialistic equipment they used are about eighty, among which there are furnaces of various types, ceramic dishes and crucibles, vials and Erlenmeyer flasks made of glass, files, spatules, pincers, hammers, baths of water and sand, cotton and flax filters, funnels, pestles and mortars, alembics and many other instruments and recipes, many of which are in use still today.
One of the practices more used was to warm objects, and the methods used were two: the first one, more gentle, consisted in plunging the object in horse excrement or in baths of water; the other method, more violent, provided the use of a furnace which temperature was continuously increased by sweating assistants who handled great bellows of  leather or blew into pipes.The temperature reached was so high that solid bodies became powder or evaporated. Alchemists also invented the distillation, that caused  the birth of an intense activity for produce perfumes; for example, they produced rose-water (very appreciated in the Islamic world of the Midlle-Ages) warming gently the petals until they obtained a distillate of aromatic oils. And, as a logic consequence, alchemists of XII century discovered that, distilling wine, they obtained a sort of medicine which favoured the conviviality: the alcool.
Usually, the same product was warmed, distilled and re-distilled hundredths of times, for months or for years, with the only purpose to reach a quite vague objective, that was to produce the quintessence of every thing, the red philosopher's stone.Alchimists believed that the powder obtained from this stone had the power to transform poor metals in gold.
The Arabian alchemist Geber described a process in which, for obtaining desired changes, one had to pass through seven hundreds progrssive phases of distillation. Modern chemists never tried to repeat these so long processes, and so we don't know if they're effective or not. But, as we'll see going forward, they could be effective.
Even if there wasn't unanimity about the process that had to be followed to obtain the philosopher's stone, the major part of texts describes seven passages, beginning from mercury or from a misture of mercury and sulphur. Every passage lasted for a lot of  time, from seven months to a year, and for all the time the temperature of the furnace had to be maintained constant. John Dastin, a monk alchemist lived in XIV century, wrote that  mercury, when transformed in the red elixir, had to be warmed on a slow fire for a hundred days. If the liquid evaporated, one had to start over again all the procedure.
Even the astrological period had its importance. They say that the alchemist Nicholas Flamel obtained for the first time the "stone" in January, 17th (Monday) 1432, at noon; then, from about "two hundred grams of mercury", he got the same quantity of silver. Again, using the  "red stone" on April, 20th of the same year, at 5 pm, he transformed in gold an equal quantity of  mercury (Flamel, His Exposition of the Hyeroglyphical Figures, page13). Whatever is the interpretation we can give of this, when flamel died in 1517, he and his wife made to build fourteen hospitals, three chapels and seven churches in Paris, and they financed other works in  Boulogne.
When the experimental science began to develop, in XVII  century, it rejected its alchemical roots. One of the first scientists, Robert Boyle, later well known for his "law of Boyle", was a firm supporter of the new experimental methods and commented with disdain that «the writings and the furnaces» of alchemists «were not only a source of light, but also of smoke».And, evidently annoyed by the difficulties and by the complexity of the alchemical works that he fatigued to understand, he added sarcastically that if their authors truly wished to maintain their art a secret,  «ther could, with less disrepute fot themselves and less problems for their readers, hide it better avoiding completely to write books, instead of write so bad ones.».
Nevertheless, in the last twenty years, it was proved that alchemy continued to charm Boyle so that he never ceased to make experiments of transmutation in secret. For hiding this interest he had, he began to write the results of the experiments using a very complicate secret code based on the letters of the Latin, Greek and Hebrew alphabets. Coded texts, hundredths of pages, were discovered in 1992. Now the question is: to whom did he hide these texts? And why? However their existance gives the measure of the seriousness with which Boyle took the alchemy. By now we can demonstrate that the famous scientist not only believed in the power of a powder to transform a chemical substance into another, but he was also convinced that the adepts, wise initiates to the alchemical arts, knew well the secret to produce and use it. He made great efforts to contact them and to have access to their secrets, but we don't know if he succeeded in his attempt; certainly he made rather curious declarations on the argument. In a dialog never published, nowadays kept at the Royal Society of London, Boyle states that initiates had the "red powder" deriving from the philosopher's stone, and that they knew how to use it, not only to make medicines and to transform poor metals in gold, but also to get in contact with spirits. The scientist also discovered a type of mercury for alchemic use that he defined "fine", but of which he never revealed the origin and he produced, or had as a gift, an alchemic powder he called "red earth". When he died, in 1691, he left a part of this "red earth" to his friend John Locke, philosopher and member of the Royal Society, which later gave it to another friend, Isaac Newton, president of the Royal Society since 1703. Then the "red earth" came into possession of the cheam of the scientific establishment scientifico of the time.
Newton, really a true monument in the science history, shared with Boyle the great interest for the alchemy, and they met secretly with various alchemists, even if they derided their work in public.The interest of Newton for the alchemy remained undiscovred for many years.When he died, in 1727, many of his papers were burnt, and many others were declared «not suitable for the publication» and kept by his family. His great interest for the alchemical arts didn't become known until these documents were sold by auction in London in 1936, when researchers discovered not only the predominant part that the alchemy had in his life, but also that the great scientist believed firmly that «ancient people knew all the secrets at the same time». Dr. Betty Dobbs, who studied these papers, concluded that «it could be stated with certainty that Newton believed so firmly in the fundamental principles of alchemy that he never came to deny the general validity...». One can doubt that Flamel and Dastin really succeeded in creating the philosopher's stone and in transforming metals in gold. Certainly it's a thing happened a lot of time ago and it's probable that reports made afterward contained some exaggeration. But, considering the scientifical rigour with which Boyle and Newton conducted their experiments, and that they left a series of writings on the argument, it's right to wonder what occupied so much their time? Which conclusion do we have to draw from the fact they devoted themselves for so much time to the treatment of the mercury, hoping to succeed in producing a red substance, stone or elixir?
In their case, the alchemical process couldn't have been only a symbolic one, because the two scientists were perfectly aware of the difference; and anyway, if it was only a symbolic thing, Boyle shouldn't have to use a code and Newton wouldn't have kept his papers in secret. Perhaps alchemists discovered techniques that the orthodox science didn't still develop, but that Boyle and Newton came to know.
Is it really possible that the repeated distillation or the heating of an object for a long period of time can produce such changes in an element or in a compound as to literally transform it in a product with extraordinary powers? And did the modern science ever succeeded in proving the existance of such a thing? The answer, even if it's bashfully given, it's yes.
After the slump of the Soviet Union and the weakening if its strict centralized power, Russian criminal organization assumed an ever-growing control on the country, also trying to contact foreign organizations. Since 1991 there were high-level meetings with the godfathers of the mafia, the camorra and the 'ndrangheta. The ties that the Russian criminality established with the Italian one made more simple the recycling of black money and the traffic of drugs and of illegal nuclear materials, "easily to find on the market thanks to the amministrative chaos and to the lack of funds that occur in the nuclear industry and in Soviet armed forces". Funds that, contrarily, certainly didn't lack to regimes interested to the purchase of these materials.
At the end of 1993 a rather worrying new element came into the scene. Russian criminal groups began to put on the market a substance unknown in Western countries until that moment and known simply as "red mercury". It was said that it was a secret product of  the Soviet nuclear industry. On December, 23th 1993, five Moldavian citizens tried to take in Rumania a certain quantity of pure uranium, together with a substanced called, exactly, red mercury, and that was destined for the nuclear black market (The Times, December, 24th 1993, page 9). West scientists, worried about this fact, tried to discover if the substance really existed and to establish what it was. But in 1994, the Ministry of the Energy of the United States and the International Agency for the atomic energy declared that the red mercury was an "invention", another fraud perpetrated by the mafia at the expenses of probable purchasers of illecit nuclear material. But some west nuclear physicists had good reasons to think the countrary, and they suspected that the accusations of fraud were motivated by the desire to hide a troublesome truth.
In June 1994, in an article appeared on the International Defense Review, the nuclear physicist  Frank Barnaby reported the conversation he had with a Russian physicist who remained anonymous. According to the scientist, the red mercury was a fundamental component of a new type of a Russian nuclear warhead; the substance showed itself to be a very effective catalyst in the detonation, so much that it was possible to produce nuclear bombs smaller and lighter than the west ones". Dr. Barnaby explained that thanks to this red mercury they could produce nuclear warheads that weighted from two to three kilograms, that could easily be placed in the center of a city and then explode. His major fear was that this very dangerous substance could fall in the hands of some terrorist. Moreover, he was informed that Israel, Iran, Iraq, Libya and Pakistan had obtained it through illegal ways and intended to begin the production of weapons. It's known that some of these countries support terroristic groups of various kinds, and they could give them either the raw substance or the finished product. The method of production of the red mercury has evident similarities with alchemical processes. If an alchemist worked inside a Russian military complex, and if he had access to modern equipment, certainly he could succeed in inventing something similar to this substance. Basing on informations supplied by the Russian scientist, the substance is produced in this way:

 The antimony sesquioxide and the mercury oxide are warmed together to a temperature of  500 degrees centigrade and  to a pressure of 1 atmosphere of oxigen. The heating must continue at a costant temperature for two days. The final product it's a substance called mercury and antimony oxide. This process hasn't been reported by the official press until 1968.
 The oxide obtained in this way is dissolved in pure mercury; oxde and mercury must be present in the same quantity. The mixture is then sealed in a container and put in a nuclear reactor, where it is irradiated for about twenty days at a temperature of 500 degrees centigrade.
 Having done this, the mercury in excess is eliminated and what remains is a "cherry-red" substance with a consistance similar to liquid honey. Capsules containing this liquid are put in nuclear bombs."

It's strange that the production process described here provides the use of mercury and so long reaction times. And it's also strange that, together with the mercury, they use the antimony. The alchimist of the XII century Artefio talks about a special tincture containing antimony and sublimate mercury which would have had spectacular effects (The secret book of Artephius, page 6). Scientists admitted only in 1968 that a compound called mercury and antimony oxide could be realized; the red mercury, instead, isn't still accepted. The question we have is how many substances considered impossible can instead be realized thanks to the modern chemistry and technology, and having a lot of time at our disposal? Perhaps, in addition to the patience, experiments of ancient alchemists can teach us a lesson.
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MERCURY VORTEX EXPERIMENT


                                           


1) Build a "beaker capacitor" using the beaker base as the dielectric between two copper plates
2) Fill the "beaker capacitor" about 5% with mercury
3) Stir mercury with a wooden stick to initiate vortex motion
4) Charge the "beaker capacitor" via a DC power source. Mercury should continue to rotate and increase in speed as charge is applied.

WARNING : THIS EXPERIMENT COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS!

Note : This is based upon the Thomson Tornado Theory by Peter Thomson
 

Passage taken from Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara:

"Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth."
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« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2007, 12:31:12 pm »

Thank you for your kind comment in dialogues on the New Library of Alexandria, Bianca2001.  I have been in a forum in Atlantis Rising about Ancient Flying machines.  Qoais recommended that I join "the other forum" in Atlantis Online.  It’s only now that I have spotted this portion on Ancient Flying Machines that I realize why.  This forum here is so much more in-depth, (not to compare).  So I guess now is my opportunity to ask if there is anyone here reading this forum the question that prompted me to join the other forum, in the first place,  (especially you, Bianca2001. You seem to be a wealth of information.) 
From the zoomorphic gold bug made popular by Ian Sanderson, to David Hatcher Childress’s “Vimana Aircraft Of Ancient India And Atlantis” the legends all speak of technology lost, and only recognized after civilization rediscovers it on its own.  The Vaimanika Sastra speaks volumes of how ancient aircraft were flown, but little on how they were built.  Supposedly a mercury engine powered them, (at least some of them).   Newton referred to a power latent in mercury that was a danger to the world.  According to Rene Noorbergen, Erich Von Daniken, Louis Pauwels, and other writers, (I own a awful lot of books on this subject), soviet scientists discovered conical clay pots in a cave near Tashkent in the Uzbek S.S.R. with a single drop of mercury sealed inside.  Some think the hemispherical objects, “of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone with a drop of mercury inside” are “age-old instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles.”  Is it possible that we could have unearthed the actual engine, one so simple in design that we don’t recognize it? 
Supposedly descriptions and detailed diagrams of these artifacts were published in a soviet magazine called “The Modern Technologist”.  Unfortunately writers on these subjects are extremely bad at including a decent Bibliography of their sources.  I have looked and looked in vain for anything online about this magazine article.  This is a plea for help from anyone out there reading this forum.  Does anyone have any leads as to where to find more information on this archeological find?   Smiley
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MdSungate:

Are you D R ?  If so, you are doubly welcome, as I did so want you to join us......

I thank you for the compliments, but this is one subject that I am just learning myself.
It was  Qoais who brought up the Vimanas first.  That piqued my curiosity.  When I
asked her to open a new thread on this subject, she hesitated. 

Except for the visits from my great-grandchildren, most of my time is spent here and I
offered to do the research, if she pointed me in the right direction.  I have been asking
myself the same questions, as Q. has hinted at there being specific instructions for the
building of the Vimanas, in the Vedas.  I have been waiting for a more opportune time to
ask her. 

In the meantime, check out the ANCIENT WARFARE Section under Nuclear Weapons.  That
may give you some further info, for now.

I have definitely read about the "drop of mercury", I may even have posted about it, but right
now I can't recall where.  I am sorry, but today I am having a very rough time 'getting it together",
I just messed up half a dozen posts elsewhere on this forum.   Do you ever have one of those days?

Even if you are not D R, Md.Sungate, I am very, very happy to have you here.

I take it Md is short for Maryland.  My favorite place, after my native Italy.  I lived there 20 years,
before I moved to Florida.

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A little checking and I got my answer.  You are so welcome here, Hermes!!!


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P.S.  I just realized that our avatars are very similar: Gemini or Virgo?
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« Reply #57 on: June 30, 2007, 09:04:51 pm »

Bianca2001,
   Although I am a teacher and very educated, my doctorate is still a work in progress.   ;)MD are simply my initials, but having been teased about that since kindergarten, I am bound and determined to complete my doctorate after I’m done paying for my own four children’s education, (The twins enter college this year). And no, I’m neither a Gemini nor Virgo, although my wife of 20 years is a Virgo,  (I’m an Aquarius, and both my wife and I are full-blooded Italians, as well.)  I’ve been privately researching ancient mysteries, and ancient technology for over 30 years now; it’s my hobby, (I should just wrote my doctorate on that, LOL.)  In an effort to make use of what I’ve learned I’ve written a novel and a screenplay about “two young adventurers who accidentally harness the mysterious forces of America’s Stonehenge which teleport them into danger at Bolivia’s Gateway of the Sun.”  (I’ve done a lot of research on ley lines and the world grid.)  Their adventure takes them to all my own favorite archeological sites.     
   Over the years I’ve had personal conversations with David Hatcher Childress, who helped me pick a site in Afghanistan that I at first knew little about, (the Bamian Statues.)  I too once lived in Florida and needed a military base for one of the chapters of the novel, and I choose Homestead Air force Base because, according to Richard Lefors Clark, the magnetic anomalies, which enabled Edward Leedskalnin to build his Coral Castle in Florida, had moved inside the Air force base.  But after Hurricane Andrew blew the entire base to Kingdom Come, I relocated the chapter to Afghanistan.  Of course when the Taliban blew up the six thousand year old statues, I needed yet another location for this part of my story, to (say nothing about the entire Russian Empire falling apart in this same time frame, leaving me looking for new antagonists.)  So David again came to my rescue, and now that chapter is set in Kashmir at Martand Temple, (one of the ruined sites of Parhaspur.)  Thus yes I too am totally convinced of ancient atomic warfare, and that the melted rocks there are “proof that Mohenjo Daro, one of the oldest cities in the history of human civilization, had been destroyed by an atomic bomb.”  Although I already know quite a lot on this subject I will check out the “ANCIENT WARFARE Section under Nuclear Weapons.”  By the by, I am a huge fan of the late Charles Berlitz, and I own every book he published.  Ian Sanderson, Rene Noorbergen, and as I mentioned David Hatcher Childress have influenced much of my thought as well.   But this man and Dr. Valentine with whom he collaborated are my favorites.

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« Reply #58 on: June 30, 2007, 09:07:53 pm »

I'm having trouble inserting in pictures and Avatars into the posts.  What's the trick, when I press insert image, all I get is Huh  and I can't find the option for putting in my Avatar.  Where is that? Sincerely, Mike DeRosa
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« Reply #59 on: June 30, 2007, 09:35:58 pm »


Mike

At the very top of the front page there is a part titled MESSAGES.   When you click on it, you'll
find all kinds of questions that have been asked of the administrators.  Post your question there
and one of them will help you out.  I can't answer your question because I'm one of the 'dummies'
who asked most of them.

Great to have you aboard!
B

PS.  Go to "How to post Pictures" first.  Towards the end, I asked how to post an avatar.  That may
answer your question.  If not, ask there.
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