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« Reply #210 on: May 20, 2009, 11:20:28 am »








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"Still that is what the Bible says:"


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What 'the Bible says' might work at Atlantis Rising, but it won't hold any water here at AO!!!


Nor will 'jumbled up' ancient mythologies.
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« Reply #211 on: May 20, 2009, 11:27:58 am »

Salmanaser-3 was an assyrian- nominal-vassal King of Egypt,
who promoted himself to a god-status by which he demonstrated the end of his vassalship to the egyptian crown.
When he noticed however that other  Syrian/ Hattian-( Hamath= Aden.)vassal-kings were not so swift to renounce their vassilage with the Egyptian Crown( of Achnaton.)
Salmanasser decided to give thema" helping hand' by laying siege to the traitors that still adhered to the egyption Hegemony while ignoring his plea for disloyalty.( which he himself punished by takeing his new" associate kingdoms "hostage toward Egyptian ransoms !  it must be said here GOD King Salmanasser- 3 was a real murdering Bastard. Saddam Hussein would be a child playing!

Would you like to switch over to another King that murders his own citizens and calls your Egyptian Pharaoh an incompitent weakling ?
Anyway thes 2 Kings Amenhoteb-3 & 4 were too ashamed of their deafeats that they did not mentionit directly in their Annals.
Worse : to hide thefact that King Salmanasser( Called : SUPPiLULiUMAS " in Hebrew")had stolen the whole of Araby from the Egyptian government
AKNATON had a city built as a copy of the Temple of ATON/ Poseidon in ADEN but as a replica in Tell el Amarna, to "keep-up Appearances "

King AHAB/ ACHAB was an egyptian Pharaoh(= AM-3)his son ACHAZIAH was AM-4 or Achnaton. ABDI- ASHIRTA was the " Heebrew" name for the King of ASSUR, who according to the Governor of "KADESZH:  Rib- ADDI was a traitor that attacked egyptian garrisons in south-Araby saying that they were rebellious against Egypt. and Achnaton believed him, because the egyptian Foreigen Minister" TUTU" was an assyrian stooge/spy.

Shalmaneser III
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Shalmaneser III (Šulmānu-ašarēdu, "the god Shulmanu is pre-eminent") was king of Assyria (859 BC-824 BC), and son of the previous ruler, Ashurnasirpal II[1].

His long reign was a constant series of campaigns against the eastern tribes, the Babylonians, the nations of Mesopotamia and Syria, as well as Kizzuwadna and Urartu. His armies penetrated to Lake Van and the Taurus Mountains; the Hittites of Carchemish were compelled to pay tribute, and the kingdoms of Hamath and Aram Damascus were subdued.

In 853 BC a coalition which was formed by the kingdoms of Egypt, Hamath, Arvad, the Ammonites, "Ahab of Israel" and other neighboring states, under the leadership of king Hadadezer of Damascus, defeated the Assyrian king at Battle of Qarqar. However, the Assyrian king persevered in his attempts to subjugate Israel and Syria[citation needed]. Other battles soon followed in 849 BC and 846 BC.

In 842 BC, Shalmaneser campaigned against Hadadezer's successor Hazael, forcing him to take refuge within the walls of his capital. While Shalmaneser was unable to capture Damascus, he devastated its territory, and Jehu of Israel (whose ambassadors are represented on the Black Obelisk now in the British Museum), together with the Phoenician cities, prudently sent tribute to him in 841 BC. Babylonia had already been conquered as far as the marshes of the Chaldaeans in the south, and the Babylonian king put to death.

In 836 BC, Shalmaneser sent an expedition against the Tibareni (Tabal) which was followed by one against Cappadocia, and in 832 BC came another campaign against Urartu. In the following year, age required the king to hand over the command of his armies to the Tartan (turtānu commander-in-chief) Dayyan-Assur, and six years later, Nineveh and other cities revolted against him under his rebel son Assur-danin-pal. Civil war continued for two years; but the rebellion was at last crushed by Shamshi-Adad V, another son of Shalmaneser. Shalmaneser died soon afterwards. He had built a palace at Calah, and left several editions of the royal annals recording his military campaigns, the last of which is engraved on the Black Obelisk from Calah.

Funny...  Nothing about Egypt. 

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/538154/Shalmaneser-III
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« Reply #212 on: May 20, 2009, 11:29:42 am »


What 'the Bible says' might work at Atlantis Rising, but it won't hold any water here at AO!!!

Nor will 'jumbled up' ancient mythologies.

" Jumbled-up ancient Mythologies " I like that !
Because that's precisely what we got from the Bible-translations.
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3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #213 on: May 20, 2009, 12:04:46 pm »








GET YOUR MYTHOLOGIES STRAIGHT,


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« Reply #214 on: May 20, 2009, 12:56:32 pm »

Carl Sagan on Velikovsky:
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« Reply #215 on: May 20, 2009, 01:03:53 pm »









                                      What Carl Sagan has to say about Velikovsky






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Glenn Schuett

I thought those with firing synapses might like to hear what Carl Sagan has to say about Velikovsky. This comes from his book

_Broca's Brain_,
1976,
ISBN 0-345-33689-5.



This is incomplete (so much to debunk!), Sagan uses more than 50 pages destroying Velikovsky's hypothesis.

Here are some of the highlights.
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« Reply #216 on: May 20, 2009, 01:06:07 pm »









                                    PROBLEM I - THE EJECTION OF VENUS BY JUPITER






Velikovsky says: Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a comet.



Sagan says:

To escape from Jupiter, the comet must have a kinetic energy of 1/2mv^2, where m=cometary mass and v=escape velocity of Jupiter. This equals about 60 km/sec. At least 10% of this kinetic energy will go into heating the comet.

The minimum kinetic energy per unit mass is 1/2v^2 = 1.3 x 10^13 ergs per gram.

The heat portion of the kinetic energy is more than 2.5 x 10^12 erg/gram. Rock melts at about 4 x 10^9 erg/gram. Thus, any event that ejected a comet or planet from Jupiter would melt rock (or organic compounds or ices).

Another problem is the escape velocity from the Sun's gravity (at the distance of Jupiter it is about 20 km/sec). Thus, if a comet leaves Jupiter at velocities less than 60 km/sec it will fall back to Jupiter; if greater than about [(20)^2 + (60)^2]^1/2 = 63 km/sec it will escape from the solar system. There is only a narrow and therefore unlikely range of velocities consistent with V's hypothesis.

Further, the mass of Venus is more than 5 x 10^27 grams. The total kinetic energy required to propel Venus from Jupiter's escape velocity is about 10^41 ergs, which is equivalent to all the energy radiated by the Sun in one year and 100 million times more powerful than the largest solar flare ever observed. V wants us to believe that an ejection event occured on Jupiter that was vastly more powerful than anything on the Sun.
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« Reply #217 on: May 20, 2009, 01:07:42 pm »









                  PROBLEM II - REPEATED COLLISIONS AMONG THE EARTH, VENUS AND MARS






Velikovsky says:

"That a comet may strike our planet is not very probable, but the idea is not absurd" (page 40 English edition).

Sagan says: [Sagan devotes several pages in the appendix calculating orbits, gravitational attractions, velocities etc.; too long and too many Greek symbols to reproduce here Smiley]

In short - V says that the planets have collided a total of 5 or 6 times among themselves. The odds of this happening (ignoring other problems with his hypothesis) is almost 100 billion trillion to 1 for five collisions and about one trillion quadrillion to 1 for 6 collisions.
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« Reply #218 on: May 20, 2009, 01:10:34 pm »








                                       PROBLEM III - THE EARTH'S ROTATION






This concerns the story in Joshua about the earth standing still for a day.

V is vague about the mechanism that is supposed to have breaked the Earth's rotation.

Sagan acknowledges that the Earth could slow down over a 24 hour period without it melting or people flying off, [watch AppleLiar or Wolff steal this and quote it out of context!] but the temperature generated, especially near sea level, would be about 240 degrees Kelvin, well above the boiling point of water. He shows his math in Appendix 2.

V also fails to account for the Earth starting up it's rotation again, which it can't do itself due to the law of conservation of angular momentum.

Sagan also discusses tidal gravitational and magnetic forces that would be necessary to stop the Earth's rotation.

But wait! there's more!

This is but 3 of 10 "major scientific flaws in Velikovsky's argument" that Sagan outlines. Plus he briefly goes into several more.



Go read the book. It's good.

(Long distance call from Carl Sagan for Liar Appletoon.
Will you accept the charges?).


http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/velikov.htm
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« Reply #219 on: May 20, 2009, 01:16:12 pm »







                                                 Venus in the Corner Pocket



                                   The Controversial Theories of Immanuel Velikovsky






In 1950 a Russian-born psychiatrist named Immanuel Velikovsky authored a controversial book. Velikovsky was extremely knowledgeable in the texts of ancient peoples. Based on his interpretation
of these texts, Velikovsky reached the conclusion that our solar system, with its nine planets, was
not always the same as we see it today.

The book, Worlds in Collision, asserted that around 3,500 years ago the planet Venus was somehow ejected from the planet Jupiter as a comet. Comet Venus then started wandering through the solar system. Its gravitational field pushed other planets out of their orbits or changed their rotation.

Velikovsky attributed many of the disasters recorded in ancient times to this strange interaction the Earth had with Venus. Material that fell from Venus's comet tail into Earth's atmosphere caused the plagues visited upon Egypt as recorded in the Bible. "Plague is throughout the land. Blood is everywhere," cried the Egyptian Ipuwer. "Men shrink from tasting, human beings thirst after water..." According to Velikovsky's thinking, a fine rusty ferruginous dust from the comet's tail filtered down on the globe turning everything red.

As Earth went deeper into the comet's tail the dust turned to small stones and a hail of gravel pelted the Earth: "...there was hail, and fire mingled in with hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation," the Bible reads.

Velikovsky also credits the manna that nourished the nation of Israel during their forty-year wandering through the desert in Exodus to carbohydrates that fell to Earth from comet Venus's tail.

As Venus grew closer, the gravity of the planet caused the Earth to rock on its axis or stop and start its rotation. Earthquakes broke out and vital waves engulfed mountain ranges.



          Velikovsky speculates that this maybe when the legendary city of Atlantis sank beneath the waves.

 

The changes in rotation, according to Velikovsky, caused a prolonged darkness over the Earth. His research discovered that in Iran scholars recorded a night lasting three days followed by a day lasting three days. The Chinese recorded the same phenomena. The Bible speaks of a day when the sun stood still to allow Joshua to
finish a battle.

According to Velikovsky's work ,somewhere in the eighth century B.C., the Venus comet pushed Mars out of its proper orbit and into a close encounter with Earth. This caused earthquakes to shake the world: "Both the poles shook," wrote one observer at around 747 B.C. "and Atlas (who according to legend carried the Earth on his back) shifted the burden of the sky...The sun vanished and rising clouds obscured the heavens..." The year shortened
and ancient astrologers were forced to develop a new calender.

Finally, after many years of causing catastrophes on Earth, Venus and Mars settled into their current near-circular orbits.

Velikovsky's theories didn't fit in at all with modern astrophysics and he was criticized by most scientists. They saw his work as just another crackpot theory. And they had quite a bit of evidence to refute it.

A few scientists weren't satisfied to duke it out with Velikovsky in the marketplace of ideas, though. They made the blunder of putting pressure on Velikovsky's publisher not to publish "Worlds in Collision" as a part of the company's textbook series.

When this became known, public sympathy shifted toward Velikovsky, increasing his popularity. He was a persuasive author and many began to believe in his theories. Isaac Asimov, a Velikovsky critic (and not a bad wordsmith himself) once wrote: "He is an interesting writer. It's fun to read his books. I have read every book he has published and hope to read any he writes in the future. Although he doesn't lure me into accepting his views, I can well see where those less knowledgeable in the fields Velikovsky deals with would succumb."

So what makes scientists doubt Velikovsky's views? They have a long list of reasons why such a scenario was not possible. A few of the more important ones are:

The temperature of Venus. Actually, both sides in this controversy point to this as evidence for their claims. When Velikovsky first published his ideas the temperature on the surface of Venus was not known. As Frank Drake of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory wrote, "We would have expected a temperature of only slightly greater than that of Earth..." Velikovsky had predicted Venus, after its close encounter with Earth, Mars and the Sun, would have a much higher than expected temperature. Indeed it was discovered that the surface temperature was 750 degrees Kelvin. Hot enough to melt lead.

Carl Sagan, one of Velikovsky's most ardent critics, argued that if Venus had been ejected out of Jupiter, the required amount of energy would have heated Venus so much the planet/comet would have vaporized. And even if somehow the planet had managed to survive the ejection the temperature, even thousands of years later, claimed Sagan, would have been much greater than those found today.

Sagan also argued that if Venus had been on an extremely eccentric orbit as Velikovsky suggests, it would be highly unlikely that it could have changed its orbit so radically in the few thousand years to the nearly circular orbit that the planet enjoys today.

Velikovsky didn't seem to be concerned with the problems his theory generated for physicists. He himself said, "the ancient traditions are our best guide to the appearance and arrangement of the earliest remembered solar system, not some fancy computer's retrocalculations based upon current understanding of astronomical principles."

However, other scientific disciplines don't seem to bear out Velikovsky's ideas, either. Geologists who have cored into the world's icepacks and ocean bottoms have not found signs of the deposits Venus made upon Earth as the Earth passed through the planet/comet's tail (In fact Venus is much too massive with too strong a gravity to ever have had a visible tail as Velikovsky claims).

Venusian geology doesn't seem to support a young Venus, either. Radar studies of the planet's surface show a landscape saturated with craters. The overlapping edges of these craters show they are impact craters instead of volcanic. The high number of them show that the Venusian surface is very old. There are just too many of them to have accumulated in just the past 3,500 years.

Even in the realm of anthropology there seems to be problems with the Velikovsky theories. According to Worlds in Collision Venus did not exist before about 1,500 B.C.. In his book Velikovsky says that neither the Hindus or the Babylonians recorded the planet Venus. However Peter Huber, from the Edgennossische Technische Hochschule, Zurich, reports that in Cuneiform texts stetching as far back as 3,000 B.C., Venus is mentioned as the star connected with the rising and setting sun. Clear evidence that it occupied an orbit in between the Earth and the sun as it does today. Also in records from 1580 to 1560 B.C. observations were made of Venus that clearly puts it in an orbit identical with the planet's current orbit.

So are Velikovsky's ideas that events in the solar system might affect life on Earth worthless? No, not at all. While Velikovsky is apparently wrong about a Venus that wanders through the solar system in historical times, he may have in some small way stimulated scientific thinking on the stability of the solar system.

Isaac Asimov, who referred to Velikovsky's theories as a type of "exoheresy" wrote: "For one thing Velikfovskianism, and indeed, any exoheretical view that becomes prominent enough to force itself on science, acts to puncture scientific complacency-and that is good. An exoheresy may cause scientists to bestir themselves for the purpose of reexamining the bases of their beliefs, even if only to gather firm and logical reasons for the rejection of the exoheresy-and that is good too. An exoheresy may cause scientific activity which, in a serendipitous fashion, may uncover something worthwhile that has nothing to do with the exoheresy-and that is very good, if it happens."

When Velikovsky first wrote Worlds in Collision, many scientists rejected it not only because of reasoned arguments, but because the idea that the solar system could change or that events in space could have a profound effect on life on Earth was unsettling. Since that time science has accepted that asteroid impacts have led to massive extinctions on Earth (just ask the dinosaurs).

Even the orbits of the planets no longer seem set in stone. In an article in the September 1999 edition of Scientific American, Renu Malhotra makes a case that the planets Saturn, Uranus and Neptune may have expanded their orbits since the beginning of the solar system, while Jupiter's orbit has shrunk. He also argues that interactions between Neptune and the planet Pluto have caused the smaller planet to shift from a near circular orbit to a more eccentric one that is on a plane inclined from the rest of the planets.

Will we one day find evidence of events in the solar system that might explain what Velikovsky observed in some ancient texts? Perhaps so. But if we are to take any explanation seriously, we must bring the full weight of several scientific disciplines like anthropology, physics and geology, to bear the problem and get their results to agree.



http://www.unmuseum.org/velikov.htm
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« Reply #220 on: May 20, 2009, 01:22:22 pm »

I admit a Moon earth collision won't be pleasant

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality! Wink
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« Reply #221 on: May 20, 2009, 01:57:33 pm »

The Einstein-Velikovsky Correspondence:

http://www.varchive.org/cor/einstein/index.htm
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« Reply #222 on: May 20, 2009, 02:04:48 pm »

I admit that  a Moon Earth collision won't be pleasant but don't forget that in that time period  not all the seafloors had spread to the present extend yet, and Pangea was still intact ,I would  even say that during the 855 bc (second )Collision  a fractured " Pangea " was still facing Planet Jupiter

In Revellation=chapter 20 and in the Ipuwer Papyrus is exactly written what happens when a cometary  body happens to fall to Earth
Everything that is loose wil fly around but humans won't be killed they have the wit to hold on to something whilst animals may just stampede !

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Besides, if the Moon hit the earth I doubt very much we would be here talking about it.

Good point Robert Smiley

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Yeah Robert, I've tried to tell him that before too but he doesn't get it

Let's see if I can get him to understand!   I'll use terms that he can relate to.

Blue Hue-Conclusion  MOON+Earth=BIG BOOM! Shocked Shocked Shocked   This means no more Humans, no more Earth, and no more Moon Angry Shocked Cry

Sorry Blue but you can't argue with reality! Wink
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« Reply #223 on: May 20, 2009, 02:09:34 pm »






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« Reply #224 on: May 20, 2009, 03:33:45 pm »

Immanuel Velikovsky: The Bonds of the Past 1




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