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Opinions FOR and AGAINST Athens Existing At Time Of Atlantis 9000 BCE

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« Reply #75 on: August 14, 2013, 04:01:38 am »

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This Egyptian,INDIAN-Ocean trade-Empire was
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PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #76 on: August 14, 2013, 04:03:45 am »

Dear  ATALANTE,

(Administrator-)DAWN Moline,  has recently pointed out that this website,

was hit by an SMF-System GLITCH but I have not seen any comments on that

Maybe I missed out on the System GLITCH Repport Topic ?!

Sincerely,

' Blued-Hue ' dd 26 Aug. 2013  Amsterdam/ Holland
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This Egyptian,INDIAN-Ocean trade-Empire was
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PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #77 on: August 14, 2013, 04:05:01 am »

 HELP, I STILL cannot upload full / error-Message But I emptied it yesterday
ERROR MESSAGE Cannot upload UPLOAD BOX Full,But I emptied it yesterday

 I'ld like to  UPLOAD my one theory-page,
BUT I still get the same error message:

UPLOADBOX Full, Tried to send a smaller message
after deleting  the UPLOADBOX but I still got the same
ERROR MESSAGE "Upload Box full tried to send a smaller message in vain.

tell me, PLease  whom of the Staff I will have to contact ?

THANK YOU,

SIncerely ' Blue-Hue ' Aug-14 2013


Blue-Hue's 11th Theory in short:

With help of Dr. Velikovsky's 'TIME-LINE'=

(= REVISED-Egyptian Chronology.)

I found out that

the Hisraëlian Judean, Greek and Roman Chronologies

are syncrhonised for the period of the 18th Dynasty

which means that the Egyptian Pharaohs are the same as

The Roman Greek and Hisraëlian Kings for that Period 1055-855 bc

ATALANTE and Damien Mackey assign 2 diferend Pharaohs as King Dionyssos,

both got it slightly wrong, because King Dionyssos(=Bacchos.)is not

Amenhotep-3 nor Thutmoses-1 but rather Amenhotep-1

The Elephant in the room for Atlantology is that Atlantis is LATIN

The Greek original variety, should be Athe rather than Atlantis\Ad-Land.

Thus that 'Daughter of Atlas' means rather ' Holy-White Elephant City of Poseidon.'

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This Egyptian,INDIAN-Ocean trade-Empire was
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PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2013, 10:02:20 am »


Dear ATALANTE & others,

Ofcourse Athens existed when Atlantis attacked her,

But not in the present area it moved considerably

In my humble opinion,

The whole Atlantis Realm is misunderstood as 'some power.'

It is NOT a country but a Trade Empire like the Swedish-HANZE around 1200-1500 ad.

It's conception is unclear whether it was established

during  King Mentuhotep-3 conquest of Arabia,  about 12-1100 bc,

or refounded by ( Scoundrel-)King Kamose fighting the Hyksos in 1055 bc

( As Hindu Haya-Griva, King Kamose excused his attack on Araby

by pretending to retrieve the Vedas stolen by the Asuras(= Assyrians.) or something

Fact is that Queen HATSHEPSUT was a real Trade genius

She united the Middle East under Egyptian trade hegemony

Her VAST EMPIR outside Egypt's " Political-Borders "

is that Vast ATLANTIS territory we are talking about here

The Exact Atlantis Realm is lost in Translation.

3 not One Tsunami wrecked Atlantis

the first one was the Deucalion Flood or Apocalyps in 1055 bv
erroneously named Titanomachia by me but rather of Deucalion
the actual Titanomachia occurred inbetween 905-855 bc against
King Saturn

(= Thutmoses-4(=Mercury) fighting Assurnasirpal-2=Sa

Queen Hatshepsut maintained peace in " Her Atlantis Realm "
Atlantis realm was known as SABA

which is an  abbrevation of SABATHE now presently named ZIBIT

It was and is situated INBETWEEN TWO Continents named

Upper and Lower Egypt THEN  Egypt proper as Lower-Egypt

and Sudan & Somalia understood as Upper-Egypt( and Gilguduud as " Gilea ")








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BlueHue2,

Recently I have expanded my thoughts about the Critias dialogue's concept of "Egypt at 8000 BC", and the mythical Dionysus.  

The -nysu part of Dionysus's name comes from Egyptian hieroglyphics.  "nisu-bity" was a hieroglyphic title, "KING of upper Egypt".  (nisu= king)

The first syllable Dio- is Greek , meaning "god" (or perhaps Zeus).  

The Greek mythical Dionysus corresponds to Egypt's famous king Amenhotep III, who declared himself to be a god.  And the mythical Greek war by "Dionysus" against "India" was conducted by the Mitanni, who were strong allies of Amenhotep III.  

In Greek mythology, the Greek Maenads put up resistance against this Dionysus (Amenhotep III).   As I mentioned previously, the Greek mythical Hyades (daughters of Atlas) supported the introduction of mythical Dionysus (and his foreign culture) into Greek Thebes (a.k.a. Greek Boeotia).  But the Hyantes (other mythical descendents of mythical Greek Atlas) were driven out of Boeotia near that time.   

Egypt's Amenhotep III (a.k.a. the Greek Dionysus) built a huge royal palace named Dja-rukha, adjacent to Egypt's famous Valley of the Kings.  His palace complex in Upper Egypt included many canals, and two man-made inner harbors.  The size of Upper Egypt, as a whole, was roughly 3000 stades long along the Nile waterfront, and 2000 stades wide.  

Moreover, Critias declared that the metropolis city of Atlantis (a.k.a. the palace complex Dja-Rukha, as constructed in Upper Egypt by Amenhotep III), was not built at the beginning of it's own regional society, which previously belonged to mythical Evenor and Leucippe (as described by Critias).

Egyptian priests told Solon that the culture of Egypt spanned 8000 years. and we know from elsewhere (especially from the temple of Edfu, which was built by Greek-dominated-Egypt, a century or two after Plato) that Egyptians believed their society had originated in an ancient era named Zep Tepi).  

Around the year 2005, modern archaeologists began finding the archaeological basis for Egypt's legendary Zep Tepi -- east of Kerma in the Sudan.  

For example, archaeological sites near wadi al-Arab on the following map are dated 8300-6600 BC.  Then flooding and silting occured repeatedly along the Nile riverbed, near Kerma.  And the Nile river moved westward gradually, until the Nile reached its present riverbed west of Kerma.


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This Egyptian,INDIAN-Ocean trade-Empire was
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PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2013, 10:50:34 am »

Dear ATALANTE & others

It is the opinion in Blue Hue's 11e Atlantis theory,

That ' Atlantis ' is a simple mistranslation derived from  HATTI

God-King Salmanassar 3 named Israel/Essara the Hatti-Lands.(855 bc.)

In Hindu Lore, Hatti-Lands became Ras-Atala.and Sri-Lanka(=The Holy-Land.)

THAT's All Folks !...................That's ALL Folks.

Regarding PLATO:

He (Mis-)Used the original-Atlantis Myth for his own purpose

The Timeas & Critians were adapted copies culled from other writers !

The Atlantis-Dialogues were invented as a Satirical account-concept

at King Dionyssos-1 Birthday-Party in 366 at Syracse in Sicilly

But the Litterary-conventio/contest H=ost died prematurely during his party

So Plato's Atlantis Project was shelved for almost 500 years( 366-bc/200 ad.)

Inbetween 'Atlantis was known as Utopia or Mero-pia(= White ELEPHANT Country.)

Atlantis geography is simple ( For Any Egypologist except Dr. ABOUFOUTOU.)

Those two supposedly CONTINENTS were none other than Upper & Lower Egypt !

OFCOURSE  LOWER Egypt was North-Africa and Greece together

OFCOURSE, Upper Egypt was Eastern-Africa and both Somali-Lands together.

OFCOURSE, 'HATTI or Atlantis was Not inbetween those TWO-Egypt-Departemts,

But just Alongside as Araby alias Arabia-Foëlix alias the Egypt in the THIRD-Hand.

or even better known as "Middle-Egypt hence later named the 'MIDDLE East !

ABOUT
the 10 or nine or 7 Counties adding up to Atlantis Emporion,

are none other than the wellknown Seven-Hills or INSULAE(= City=-Palace HILLS !

LATIUM or LADON, later ADEN( The biblical RETINUE )

was the original Janiculum( Jebus) or Rome in South Araby

In 705 bc a Mega-Tsunami ocurred wiping out all Arabic Cities and Löss-soils

into the Gulf of Aden (Thus Atlantis is now spilled, drowned into the ERIDANUS(Jordan)

The socalled LATIN peoples lived until 705 in Arabia Foëlix

Archaeologists never found pre 705 Pelasgian stone foundations in the entire Med.

Cartage Rome thens in Europe were founded simultaneously

by Atlantean refugies from the 705 bc Mega Tsunami in Arabia Foëlix!

In Arachaeology theerfore exists the public secret of no

pre 705 Latin nor Greek artefacts or Geometric period without writing

it is named the socalled Dark ages from 1200 until 705 bc

ATLANTIS as daughter of Atlas is a LATIN misnomer

PLATO's original Atlantis name must have been ATHE

Hence the Present ATHENS was an Atlantean Colony city

by the new name ATHE NAÏ meaning New Athe

Mediateranan Sea is named afterand OLD Midland-Sea

Better known as the original Western-Okeanos now named the Red-Sea

OFCOURSE the real original Red Sea or MareErytraeum

was the present Indian ocean in which Hatsheput's Saba Empire was

The Story of Osiris and SETH is explanable as the GIGANTOMACHIA( 855 bc.)

OSIRIS is alias Amenhotep-3/4
= the gullible ruler emperor of Egypt who went "Naked" after loosing Arabia-Foëlix
to Salmanassar 3

SETH is alias of Salmanassar-3 the wicked brother.

When in El Amarna Amenhotep-3 was locked in his 'golden coffin'
 pretending to be still ruler of Egypt not around 1200 bc but around 855 -20 bc.

About
ATALANTE's greek DIONYSSOS as the egyptian King Amenhotep-3

I am afraid you are just partly right

The Dionyssos that re-onquerred Asia or India( Alternative named for Araby!)
= Amenhotep-1 NOT his namesake 200 years later.


Sorry The univ.Library is closing I haave to say good bye for now.

Sincerely,

' BLUE HUE '
dd  Monday 11th Nov. 2013 Amsterdam Holland
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This Egyptian,INDIAN-Ocean trade-Empire was
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PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2013, 11:15:51 pm »

MY friend, this theory borrow heavily from the magnificent work of the Georgeos. Why no contribute to him?
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« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2013, 10:49:09 am »

Dear Dr. CARLOS  GUEMERRO,
( And Pauolo-Riven &  'ATALANTE', who is undoubtly " Listening-in ")

A message from " BlueHue "to you and respected "GEORGEOS "
THANK - YOU for your cordial invitation to "GEORGEOS"'s many Websites, but does he want ME to join Huh

This is about the Famous-MEDIA-Shortage,
I got information, that HE doesn't WANT to know !
Because they don't FIT in HIS Project !

I think that " GEORGEOS " is well aware of My "11-th"Theory, so why not Join him?
The simple answer is that 5 years ago I did make a Topic-Post-entry in his NEW-Website

But with my Second-Entry I got the answer that I was Banned from "GEORGEOS" Site !
BECAUSE he said "I have got My Project-Atlantis in Spain "YOU have your Project:
Atlantis - in- Aden( Now Yemen) in South-Araby, So Let us not mingle or CONFUSE the Issues !

If People Scholars or Amateur Historians  refer to Atlantis in Old Europe and NOT in the Americas
than they are right.

Pilit- Mayor/ Amiral-COLUMBUS(t)sought "Atlantis "in inbetween 2 Continents,
Supposedly North & South America !
But his Project to get a better/safer  "Home-for-the-Jews" was twarted
 by his Master King Alfonso-1 of Spain

Who atracked by political-possibilities declared SPAIN, to be the Garden of Eden(+ Hesperides.)
AND Morocco to be Atlantis that was promised as a Wedding-Gift by King HEBRUS of Atlantis
to Crown-Princess Hesperia of Hesperis albeit in 100.bc.

By this Announcement or Royasl DECREE, Spain could Occupy Morocco UNOPPOSED
by otherEuropean nations !

I don't know WHAT King Alfonso-1 was thinking about, maybe
Today Morrocco( "Atlantis ") Tomorrow the World "

When in 1506 amiral-Grande-Columbus, made his Last voyage to America
or "INDIA"d'Ouest, "He admitted that he had NOT found te fabled(Jewish!) Land of Priest Johannes.

The Occupation of "Spanish"Morocco didNOT last very long( until 1960.)
But thespanish-occupation of the whole of Morocco ( including Rio-de-Oro! )
only lasted from 1500- until 1515 when the SONGA-empire took over.

I cannot Upload my 11-th Theory because of the( New-) limitation of 128-or 192 Kb.
But I tell You and "GEORGEOS" this;

Atlantis justed to be named ATHE( in Hindu: Land of the WHITE Elephants !)
The 100 "Pillars'of AD- Irem(= Ubar = Ofir= Eden= ADEN= AD-Land= ATLANTIS.)
wer NOT Pylons/ "Pillars"of Buildings not 'City-GATES' ( Potuguese 'Pilar'means doorway/Gate

BUT the 100 white"flying"=Holy-Elephants kept in the ZOO- of Atlantis.
GOD-King Salmanassr-3 klled them all in 855 bc and prided himself on this innocent Beasst murders
By promoting himself to"GREAT ELEPHANT- Killer-SHIVA.

The KING ATLAS, who surrounded Atlantis, with a SEAWALL
was an egyptian King named Thutmoses-2
The King of TYRUS that helped King David & Salomon with building the TEMPLE of Jerusalem

was named " HIRAM", but actually that was " RAS-IHMRAM "a loading-Dock promotory (in Aden.)
not a particulary single Person but a Metatone(= Comming from King Hiram=coming from RAS-Ihmram.)

The Spanish( IBERIANS.) lived until 705 bc( still-) in Aden under the Aboriginal RUTULII
South Spain is BEATICA but their Metropolis is BATANEA in Aden !)

RUTULLI and RETINUE are"derived"or a"Text-corruption" of: LATINAS
The ROMAN wer originally the AROMATII of Hertodotus also from ADEN.
The Name Hazermavet or Hadramaut is a coruption of GHADHRAMITES9 or aboriginal"ROMANS"

ATLANTIS was ARABIA- Foëlix and smitten with 3 Not ! Grand-Flood or MEGA- Tsunamis
Tsunami of Deucalion or SINTFLOOD was the TARAKA- MAYA or BANG-HO of the Hindoes(also called the)
Tsunami of Ogygos-1(= Amenhotep-1)was in 1055 bc

TSUNAMI of OGYGOS-2(= Amenhotep-3) was in 855 bc,

TSUNAMI of Sanherib-Sargon-2 was in 705 bc. Sanherib Provided the DESTITUDE proto-Greeks( of ADEN)
with PROVISIONS to establish Assyrian Colonist along the (New-)Mediterrannean-Coasts !

THUS the Socalled GREEK  Planetary Gods are NOT 'Greeks'but Assyrian( Jupiter is Salmanassar-3 !)
Only the Greek Starsigns are Greek or rather Pure Egyptian Cassiopeia & Chepheus are Hatsepsut+Tm-2

CONCLUSION:

Europe's Capital Cities of ROME Cartage( and thus "GEORGEOS"CADIZ.) and Athens were founded
By Greeks as assyrian Subjects thus assyrian Colonies

BECAUSE the OLD mediterra-Sea was the Gulf-of-Aden.
PRINCESS- EUROPE oruropa was Queen? War Goddess SITA-("Syrta")AMUN,
better known to us today, as Queen INO- Leuko-Thea or biblical LILLITH.

PROOF of the 3e Tsunami that hit Atlantis /Aden in 705 bc

Titus Livius, left out the Timespace inbetween King Numitor and Suberbus
and filled it Up with Romulus and Remus( 755-655) in this dark european age
when the anciet Greeks used Geometric non figurative decorations

The transition or immigration of ALL the Latin people from Arabia- Foëlix took place

Since the names of the NEW-european colonies were the very same as the OLD names
History did not notice the gap-of Time inbetween 755 and 705-655 bc
The Etruscans or Tyrians came not earlier than the Romans in Italy

The"ITALY"of the 10-th Century bc was Hedjaz( which is a Corruption of HEDIA= Terra-BIA.)

This means that the fabled GHADEIRAS or CADIZ of dear mr ."GEORGEOS"
was NOT build before 705 bc when the Western- Punicians entered Spain for the First time

So now you understand WHY, Dear-mr."GEORGEOS"didn't want my 11-th Theory on HIS Atlantida-Website!

Sincerely,

" Blue-Hue " dd Nov.30 2013 from Amsterdam-Ollanda
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This Egyptian,INDIAN-Ocean trade-Empire was
ruled by-CEO-Queen Tiy

PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2013, 08:00:23 pm »

My friend, Carthage and Cadiz were founded by the Phoenicians, Rome by the Etruscans!  Smiley
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« Reply #83 on: December 11, 2013, 09:20:40 am »

Dear ; ' ERIN '

HAPPY XMAS, for if I don't meet you again THIS year !

Aparently my previous reply did not reach you,
because my lengthy reply overceded the "post-entry LIMIT"
so here I keep it short, in a summary,

Carthage
Rome and Athens were founded in Ca. 860 bc,in South Araby
and re-founded Ca. 700 bc in Europe.

Titus Livius
shortened in his foundation History of the City of Rome,( ab Urba conditio)
the earliest part( before Romulus.)
Because he thought others had written extensively about that
and he didn't want to reapeat " Known-History "( Roman paper was scarse! )

MY THEORY nr 11,
All Classical ancient hisory before 705 bc occurred in South Araby.
The secret is that in 705 a MEGA- Tsunami forced the( Greek & Roman)inhabitants
of Arabia-Foëlix to flee to the Mediterreanean Area.

Sanherib/Sargon2 financed their new Home in Europe.
under condition that they established Assyrian colonies in the( NEW-)"Med"

old Carthage, in Arabia Foëlix was founded by Queen Dido in 860 bc
She was actually Empress Tiy Queen-executive of Saba(=Tiy of Elissa-ba.)
She had a sister Anna Perenna, alas her egyptian coiunterpart is yet unknown to me

Old Rome in Arabia Foëlix was Aden( a derivation of Ladon/Latium)By egyptian Punicians
besides Rome in Italy was NOT founded by tghe Etuscans as you put it

Rome was founded in 755-753 by Romulus on Mount Aventine and Palantinus only.
The Etruscan 5 Kings came only later after Aeneas/ Silvanus-Latin Dynasty became extinct

Ofcourse one ancient historian connot know everything( because of "Media-Shortage ")

But many thanks for your short reaction which is more than I got from other members!
ATALANTE is still pondering on a better reply !

I'd like to upload my ONE Page Theory of 200 Kb., but
the Upload limit of this Post is 125 Kb.

If you want my theory in full, please Emaito muster@online.nl THANK YOU,

Sincerely,
' Blue-Hue ' dd 13 Dec. 2013,    from Amsterdam-Holland.
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This Egyptian,INDIAN-Ocean trade-Empire was
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PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2014, 10:23:33 am »

ATHENS  WAS the original "Atlantis"

which was attacked by the egptian fleet of King Kamose in 1055 bc
Present Athens or Athenai is nea-Athe by migration from Aden in 705 bc.
Do comment on my Sub-script

Sincerely " Blue-Hue "
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PLATO wrote (GREEK!)" ATHE " Now,Aden= Solomon's/OFIR, in Herodotus-Araby-Map

ATLANTIS-Dialogue=Satire,on Athens-Trade boycott(of Darius2,413bc)
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« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2014, 07:56:25 am »

Atalante, you are right about Amenhotep-3,( dd in revised Chron. 875-855 bc )NOT 1200 bc.)
beiing the greek classical Dionyssos
BUT ONLY IN ICONICAL COMBINAION WITH ARTEMIS OR PROSERPINA,
In an earlier combination with Athamas/ ino Leukothea/ Selene, (in Revised Chron. 1055-1035 bc.)NOT 1400 bc
Dionyssos was Amenhotep-1

Momentarily I am equating ( =Synchronizing !)(the early Latin Kings
from before Romulus & Remus( dd 753 bc.)
 with the latest 18-th Dynasty egyptian Kings.
This is rather easy,
if one equates King Latinus( =Pallas/ Lavinus.) with Amenhotep-3
Than his wife Amata is Tiy and Lavinia is Sit-Amnun

it follows taken from there, that Aeneas is Gen. Ay-Neter-Hec .

Amata is Tiye, She is the  " Dakhamunzu " not Nefetete
who in my reasoning is ofcourse " Lavinia "

Amata is then old and would like to marry a younger man
Zananza/ Aeneas !
Turnus whom Lavinia is bequived to is also old,
because he is brother to Amata(and )the Assyrian King Assurnasirpal.

Pallas and Turnus are fighting the TITANO MACHIA over princess Lavinia !

Pallas(= Amenhotep-3) is not killed but disabled( like Achab.)in Battle date 861-60 bc
officially ofcourse the Titanomachia is in 1380 or someting.

Turnus is not killed neither by Aeneas, because it was his father !
instead Turnus, is invested with Hedjaz(= Mitanni) as SHUTTARNA-2 (= Greek Satrun !)
In Latin Mythology thus Saturn transformes into  "King(= gouvernor.) Evander a " Good Guy "

Next however his son Jupiter emulates his wicked father
by reconquering his estates from the Egyptian occupation of South-Araby.

This time Jupiter winns and Pallas is disabled( again.)or rather his son Palla-Tinus(=Amenhotep-4)
This Battle is named officially the Battle of Kar-kar in 853 bc at the Kara Mountains.

STRAINGELY enough
there is another "Quara-Mountains "in west-Oman in Dhofar,
and undoubtely a City named Kar-Kar also. ( Today named " Khar- Khor " )

By the absence of conquerers the old toponyms have stayed cnstant over the centuries !

CONCLUSION:
LATIUM was the originaL ATLANTIS
DERIVED FROM AD-lAND OR LADON

Atlantis is Latin/daughter of Atlas
means  LANDS of Thutmoses-2" Atlas "

PLATO wrote in Greek ATHE
"thus Atlantologists NOT seeking ATHE
are barking-up a wrong ( Language-) tree

for reasons of clarity I have told my 11-th AtlANTIS THEORY
here uncluttered I hope but in brief.

I found ATHE not Atlantis, but
I am still looking scrambling around for Footnotes to coroberate my
quest,
so it will take awhile before I publish any manifest

Anmyway,
YOU have the privellege of a Sneak-Preview
whether you liked it or not.( as did 'BIANCA' she liked it not.)

untill further Notice,
I remain, sincerely yours,
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« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2015, 01:24:52 am »

The below is really just an attempted better rewriting of what i already said on the 9000 yrs date in other threads which was dismissed/rejected/ignored as always.
I hate having to write pages of text, but all the previous attempts to show in concise tables etc are bizarrely not understood. (It seems i have to excessively clearly explain every interconnection in many words or else everyone doesn't see. Its annoying that i have made quite a few discoveries and yet no credit for any because not able to write them in readible/understandible/stipulated way.)

I don't see how this date can ever be resolved. There is always such disputes with all sources that have some cryptical things (Atlantis acct, "Nennius", bible, etc). There is no doubt that Atlantis was not literal 9000 years, but 900 years. So there is no problem with Atlantis and Athens. Only/but, it continues to be a problem because some people keep insisting on an absolutely "literal" 9000 years no matter how much evidence that it is not totally "literal" (and the people also deny that we take the Atlantis Acct just as seriously if not more serious than them). What would people accept as proof?
If Atlantis was 9000 literal years then you also have to accept all the other similar Egyptian etc dates like Hercules 15000 years, Menes 11340 years, Ptah 9000 years, Tartessos 7000 yrs, Hyperboreans living 1000yrs, 36525 yrs Egypt history.
An example is that Herodotus' (1)1340 years Menes to Seti matches Josephus' 1300 yrs Menes to Shishak.
Also, the orthodox geological & prehistory dates are all only asserted theories based on fallible dating methods. The rough matches between dates is only rough coincidence. Catal Huyuk (mentioned) date is wrong, the evidence from there shows it dates not before Nimrod.
Plus, as Lisa said, 9000 years to retain the account's accurate detailed details is challenging.

As this thread implies, and as it has been said in quite a few sources, Atlantis 9000 can't be totally "literally" right because Athens and Sais etc were not around that early. (But even though many acknowledge it, some people nevertheless do not accept it as evidence that the date is not "literal" 9000 yrs.)
The spring was found at Athens just like the account says, so it is the literal Athens we all know.


Plato's Atlantis 900(0) years = Herodotus' Moeris (12th dyn) 900 years.
Mavor's 9000 years = 900 years, and Spanuth's 9000 years = months, both reconcile with a 10 month calendar year (cp 10 kings of Atlantis). (Cp Sarah 9/10 months pregnancy "1 year".) Compare Hyperboreans lived 1000 years [100/110/120 years].
A number of classical writers confirmed that Egyptians called months "years".
Moreover synchronisms for the 900(0) & 800(0) years fit (in sequence and amount of years) :
Atlantis 900(0) yrs ~ Moeris 900 yrs (12th dyn)
Sais 800(0) yrs ~ Saites/Salitis (15th/16th dyn)?
[Also compare Anysis 700 yrs. (Anysis may be Iannas or Nehesy or Ahmose or other.)
Tartessos 700(0) yrs.]
The shoal of Sesostris (12th or 19th dyn) maybe recalls the "muddy sea" of Atlantis Acct?
Atlantis 900(0) yrs may also/alternatively connect with 1st god king Ptah 9000 yrs. The godkings seem to be ages parallel to dynastic history. Ancient sources have 900/700 yrs down to 8th dyn. 900 may fit either/both 900 yrs before/to 12th dyn, and/or 900 yrs from/after 12th dyn. (In Jewish there is 1000 yrs from flood in 1656 am to exodus in 2666 am.) (*Ptah's 9000 yrs recalls Adam's/Noah's 900 yrs?)


Both Atlantis (c 1400s bc) 900 yrs & Moeris (c 1400s bc) 900yrs fit with the bible's exodus (c 1400s bc) 480 + <490 yrs before Saite. (Herodotus said the chariots were during Sesostris' reign (12th dyn). Moses glyphs on pectoral of SitHathorYunet? 3 reincarnations Seth Moses Samuel ~ 3 Hermes Set Shu/Num Thoth ~ 3 Kingdoms Old Mid New.) [May link with bible saying Philistines from Caphtor same time as Hebrews from Egypt? Atlantis catastrophe may connect with either plagues, Red Sea parting or Joshua's long day. Exodus says Egyptians didn't want Hebrews joining with "enemies".]
The exodus and 12th dyn time seemingly maybe connects with the 10 months (10/12 plagues, 10/12 commandments)?
Atlantis 9000 would conflict with biblical chronology. Atlantis was a separate large landmass so must date after the continental shift that broke up the seeming one landmass of Genesis 1, and that seemingly happened either in Flood or days of Peleg.
In bible, Tarshish-Kittim seems to match Atlantis, and T-K seems to be around about the megalithic/heliolithic and bronze (to iron) age. (See the meanings of Tarshish and of Kittim.)


The 3 groups/gods Pan, Hercules/12 gods, Dionysos, like the 3 Hermes Set, Shu, Thoth, seem to roughly match 3 kingdoms Old, Middle, New.
First group god Pan like 1st godking Ptah matches Menes/Memphite/Old Kdm.
Pan = Mendes = Chem = Min/Menes = Merneptah = Ptah.
Pan = Mendes = Chem = Min/Menes = Memphis = Ptah.
Hercules seems to match 12th dyn (Sesostris?)
12 gods ~ 12th dyn? Hercules = Chunsu son of Amun, Amun was 12th dyn.
The dates seem to all be divided by 18 and match the Greek ones given by Herodotus.
Pan 29220 ~ Dionysos 1600
Hercules 17000 ~ Hercules 900
Dionysos 15000 ~ Pan 800.
Hercules 900 years matches Moeris (12th dyn) 900 yrs and Atlantis 900(0) years. Dionysos 800 seems to match 2nd Int Per (Osiris vs Set), & our Sais 800 ~ Saites.


Atlas ~ Shu ("air, Atlas") ~ air ~ Amun "air" ~ Zeus/Jupiter.
9 days tempest Shu ~ 9 days deluge Deucalion?
Shu seems to match Middle Kingdom.
3 reincarnations Seth Moses Samuel ~ The 3 Hermes Set, Shu/Num, Thoth seem to match the 3 kingdoms Old Mid New. Shu & Geb in el-Arish inscription which account recalls exodus (which was 12th dyn). Maybe also seen in that the god-kings dynasty may match the 3 ages as pairs (Ptah & Ra ~ Old Kdm, Shu & Geb ~ Mid Kdm, etc)?
Amun is 12th dynasty (Amenemhets).

The 3 "dynasties" of gods, demigods, manes/mortals, and the 3 ages stone, bronze, iron may also roughly match our 3 kingdoms/Hermes/ages.
Atlantis was brass/brazen/bronze age?
Demigods ~ Mid Kdm fits with Hercules ~ Mid Kdm (and with Atlantis ~ Mid Kdm?)


Exactly how/when Atlantis war & sinking fits in the 12th - 19th dyn period is abit puzzling/confusing. Some point out connections with the Sea Peoples (19th/20th dyn), and there is co-cayne/tobacco in New Kingdom mummies, plus Toakkari Sea Peoples bearing S American fan palm. [Shoal of Sesostris could be either 12th or 19th dyn.] But the 19th dyn is abit late date [orthodox Egyptology dates are too early, 19th dyn synchronises with Shishak, Atlantis was 900 yrs], and there is some seeming agreement between different sources & seeming-synchronisms that Atlantis was before 19th dyn.
In Greek, Atlantis is between Cecrops 1556-1506 & Erechtheus 1397-1347, and *before* Theseus.
Theseus ~ Minoan/Crete ~ Hyksos?
return of Heraclids seems to roughly correspond with Sea Peoples time?
Some sources say Atlantis was 1 gen before Argonauts, and/or 2 gens before Trojan war.
Rohl suggested synchronism between Argive and Hyksos.
Herodotus may also imply Atlantis before Argive/Phoenician, since some history sources suggest Phoenicians from "Red Sea"/Atlantic/Atlantis/Sea Peoples?
The dubious/spurious Spanish history also maybe suggests Atlantis (Antaeus?) is before Hyksos/Avaris (Apher?) and Pelasgians/Sea Powers (Sea Peoples/Peleset?)
Shu vs Antwey / Hercules vs Antaeus ~ Egypt/Greece vs Atlantis?
Our classical/Atlantis/Egyptian/biblical scenario/synchronisms seem to reciprocate with Jerome's Cecrops/Moses and Trojan war/Samson.
There seems some confusion between the 2nd and 3rd deluges, or deluges of Ogyges and Deucalion in Classical. Atlantis Account seems to imply was the 3rd deluge?



So we have
Atlantis 900(0) = Moeris 900 = Hercules 900 = exodus 480+<490.
And/or,
Plato's Atlantis c 1400s = Moeris [c 1400s] = exodus c 1400s = Inca's long night c 1400/1394 = Atlantis between 1556/1506 - 1397/1347 in Athenian.


Summary table of synchronisms (6 columns (numbered 0-5), 20 rows):
[3 ages: 0 stone, 1 bronze, 3/4 iron]?
Spanish: 1 Antaeus, 2 Apher, 3 Trojan war, 4 Pelasgians/Sea powers, 5 Persians.
Jerome: 1 Cecrops/Moses, 3 Trojan/Samson, 5 Persia.
Greek: 0 Ogyges, 1 Deucalion/Atlantis between Cecrops & Erechtheus, 2 before Theseus/Minoan, 3 Menestheus/Trojan war, 4 return of Heraclids/Dorians, 5 Persians.
Herodotus: 1 [Atlantis?]/Red sea, 2a Phoenicians/Argos, 2b Colchis, 3 Trojan war, 5 Persians.
Atlantis source/s: 1 Atlantis, (1 gen,) 2b Argonauts, (1 gen,) 3 Trojan.
Rohl: 1 Moses/12-13th dyn, 2 Inachus/Hyksos, 3 Trojan war, 4 Sea Peoples, 5 Persians.
Egyptology: 1 Moeris/Sesostris (12th dyn), 2 Saites/Hyksos/SIP, 3 18th dyn, 4a Sea Peoples (19th/20th), 4b co-cayne/tobacco (19th/21st), 5a Saite, 5b Persian.
Plato: 1 Atlantis 900y, 2 Sais 800y, 5 Amasis.
Herodotus: 1 Moeris 900y, 2/3 Anysis 700y, 5a Amasis, 5b Persians.
Herodotus: 1 Sesostris 12th dyn?, 4 Sesostris 19th dyn?
Herodotus: 0 Pan [1600y], 1 Hercules [900y], 2 Dionysos [800y], 5 Amasis.
Herodotus: 0 Dionysos 1600y, 1 Hercules 900y, 2 Pan 800y.
3 dyns: 0 gods, 1 demigods, 3/4 manes/mortals.
God-kings: 0 Ptah&Ra, 1 Shu&Geb, (2 Osiris & Set,) 3/4 Horus & Thoth / Horus & Maat?
3 Hermes: 0 Set, 1 Shu/Num, 3/4 Thoth.
3 Kdms: 0 Old Kdm, 1 Mid Kdm, (2 SIP,) 3/4 New Kdm.
3 reincarnations: 0 Seth [Shem], 1 Moses, 3 Samuel.
Biblical: 0 Joseph, 1 Moses/Josh, 2 Judges, 4 Shishak, 5a Necho, 5b Persians.
Genesis: 0 Gomer, 0 Ashkenaz, 0 Riphath [interglacial?], 0 Togarmah [Neanderthal?], 0 Magog [Wurm/CroMagnon?], 0 Javan [ceramic?]1 Tarshish-Kittim [Megalithic/Atlanteans?], 4 Dodanim?

(I really need to do the above table as a proper table with columns & rows lines/alligning (#) so can easier see the correspondences between the 20 sources. Hope you "get" the numbers of rows (0-5).)

Note i had to mis-spell it co-cayne because the form thinks its a swear word! Smiley

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Atlantis continent/island = (South) America
large plain = Altiplano
Atlantis capital city = Tiahuanaco
Atlas mtns = Andes.
Atlantis "sinking/submergence" = either continental shift (Andes pushed up) or Crust displacement, or one ow two other.
Atlantis war/sinking date = 900 yrs / ca 1400s bc / 12th(-19th) dyn.
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« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2015, 02:05:34 am »

Perhaps the numbers were misinterpreted. This gives a pretty comprehensive breakdown of the Greek numbers, bearing in mind that the Greeks did not imagine as many numbers as we do today:

http://www.math.tamu.edu/~dallen/history/gr_count/gr_count.html

Greek Numbers and Arithmetic

The earliest numerical notation used by the Greeks was the Attic system. It employed the vertical stroke for a one, and symbols for ``5", ``10", ``100", ``1000", and ``10,000". Though there was some steamlining of its use, these symbols were used in a similar way to the Egyptian system, being that symbols were used repeatedly as needed and the system was non positional. By the Alexandrian Age, the Greek Attic system of enumeration was being replaced by the Ionian or alphabetic numerals. This is the system we discuss.

The (Ionian) Greek system of enumeration was a little more sophisticated than the Egyptian though it was non-positional. Like the Attic and Egyptian systems it was also decimal. Its distinguishing feature is that it was alphabetical and required the use of more than 27 different symbols for numbers plus a couple of other symbols for meaning. This made the system somewhat cumbersome to use. However, calculation lends itself to a great deal of skill within almost any system, the Greek system being no exception.

Greek Enumeration
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Basic Number Formation


First, we note that the number symbols were the same as the letters of the Greek alphabet.




where three additional characters, the (digamma), the(koppa), and the(sampi) are used. Hence, (sampi) are used. Hence,

 Larger Numbers

Larger numbers were also available. The thousands, 1000 to 9000, were represented by placing and apostrophe  '  before a unit. Thus




The letter M was used to represent numbers from 10,000 on up. Thus




Alternatively, depending on the history one reads




 As should be evident this system does not allow very large numbers to be expressed. Archimedes extended the system in his book The Sand Reckoner where he computed the number of grains of sand to fill the universe (of Aristarchus).

Fractions

The Greeks used fractions, as did earlier civilizations. Their notation, however, was ambiguous and context was crucial for the correct reading a fraction. A diacritical mark was placed after the denominator of the (unit) fraction. So,




but this latter example could also mean

More complex fractions could be written as well, with context again being important. The numerator was written with an overbar, the denominator with the diacritical mark. Thus,

 Numerous, similar, representations also have been used, with increasing sophistication with time. Indeed, Diophantus (who came along very late in Greek mathematics) uses a fractional form identical to ours but with the numerator and denominator in reversed positions.

Calculation

The arithmetic operations are complex in that so many symbols are used. Multiplication was carried out using the distributive law. For example:



 Remarkably, division was performed in essentially the same way as we do it today.




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« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2015, 06:22:35 am »

I have just realised a better solution. I'm not sure if it means all what i wrote in last post is wrong or not. I'm abit short of time so this is just very quick.
It seems that a number of cultures had similar exagerated dates which indicates some sort of universal calendar (and it makes sense that there must have been some such), and it seems that that calendar must be above ("as above, so below") like maybe the Zodiacal/precessional Great year. It has already been shown that lots of cultures myths have zodiacal numbers encoded in them (72, 36, 2160, etc) Several have 12000/11000/10000 yrs/bc close to half a great year (13000 yrs). 9000/8000 yrs/bc is also common to a few, and in some is 3 cycles/ages/houses/signs. Many cultures around world had 4 world ages [and the zodiac has 4 quarter division].

Egypt: 11542 bc calendar coincides with Mexican/Assyrian/Indian; 11340 yrs Menes - Seti; Denderah calendar date between 10950 to 8800 bc; 9000/8000 yrs Atlantis.

Assyria: 11542 bc calendar coincides with Mexican/Egyptian/Indian.

Iran: 12000 yrs (4 x 3000 yrs) world; 9660 bc; 9000 yrs (3 x 3000 yrs) Ahriman; Zoroaster 5500 yrs before.

India: 11652/11500 bc / 12000 yrs; 8550 yrs (3 x 2850 yrs); 3102 bc; 2850 yrs cycle [2160 yrs zodical house?].

China: ....

Mayan/Aztec/[Mu]/[Otto Muck]: 11653 bc; 8238 bc; 8280 yrs (3 x 2760 y); 5125 yrs; 3373/3113 bc; 2760 yrs cycle [2160 yrs zodical sign?]; 751 bc [cf Numa/Hezekiah/Olympiad]. 4 suns [ages/cycles].

Tiahuanaco: "9550 bc"?

(Thats just a quick list of a few from A Tomas and from a few other refs, excluding many more need to add.)

The solution must be in this/that/there, but i not sure yet what the exact solution is, maybe one of you will solve it.
Some zodiacal or other possibilities for the 9000 yrs could be: 9000y ~ 3 cycles/houses? 9 milleniums ~ 9 ages/cycles/houses? 9 Patriarchs/ages?

more from the last 12+ hours:

The zodiac is Mazzaroth in Hebrew.

The zodiacal calendar is often said to start and/or end in Leo/Cancer (fire) and/or Aquarius/Capricorn (flood).

Leo to Aries would be either the 11000/12000 yrs (Daniel said Babel was lion/gold head) or the 8000/9000 yrs (Phaethon?). Atlantis sinking or war or founding 9000/8000 yrs would be either about a few houses before Aries & about 1 after Leo/Cancer, or else be Leo/Cancer.


{26000/25920/25800/24000yrs 360degree 72duodecan 36decan 27nakshatras 12houses 6sextants 4qua 3trine? 2oppositions 1greatyear}
{12960yrs 180deg 36duodecans 18decans 6houses 3sextants 2qua 1opposition 1/2grtyr}
{8640yrs 120deg 4houses 1trine? 1/3grtyr}
{6480yrs 90deg 3houses 1/4grtyr}
{4320yrs 3600mins 60deg 2houses 1sextant 1/6grtyr}
{2160/2000yrs 30deg 12subperiods/dwadasamsa 9subperiods/navamsa 3decans 1house/sign/age 1/12grtyr}
{1080yrs 15degs 1/2house}
{960yrs 13degs20mins 1nakshatra}
{720yrs 10deg 2duodecans 1decan}
{360yrs 5deg 1duodecan}
{1navamsa}
{1 subperiod/dwadasamsa}
{3600secs 72yrs 60mins 1degree}
{60secs 1.2yrs 1minute}
{52wks~50secs 1yr}
{1week~1sec}

longer alternative:
36525/36000y 1grtyear
100y 1deg

shorter alternative:
666y 1decan
66y 1degree


Age of Leo 10750/10500/10006-8600/8006/8000
Age of Cancer 8600/8006-6450/6006
Age of Gemini 6450/6006-4300/4006
Age of Taurus 4300/4525/4006 bc - 2150/2006/1875 bc
Age of Aries ca 2150/2006/2000/1875 bc - 6bc/1 ad/100ad
Age of Pisces(-Virgo) 100/90bc / 6bc/ 1 ad/498ad -  1989/1994/2000/2012/2150/2654/2680/2817.
Age or Aquarius(-Leo) 1994/2000/2012/2062/2150/2595/2600/2680/2691/2700/2720 - 4000.

I do not believe the ages are literal dates. The earliest post-Flood age in [Egyptian,] Sumerian and Indian is said to be Taurus. So there is still some decoding of zodiacal to equivalent real times to solve.

Sorry i forgot one other thing:
9 x 1000 yrs Atlantis could alternatively/also possibly connect with 9/10 worlds/world-trees/trees Eddaic, 9/10 avataras Vishnu, 9/10 suns Yi (Chinese), 9/10 bows/arcs world Egyptian?
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« Reply #89 on: August 01, 2015, 09:02:18 pm »


One more thing i forgot:

Atlantis 900(0) = 1 Atlas ~ 1 Alalu(s) 9yrs?
[Atlantis 9000 = 1 Atlas ~ 1 Ptah 9000?]

* tentative corrsepondences:
{Atlas (Greek)?
3 Alalu(s) (Hittite)?
1 Alala (Sumerian)?
Atar (Iranian)?
2 Anala (Indian)?}
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