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                                   Coal official calls Obama comments 'unbelievable'

By Chris Dickerson -
Statehouse Bureau

CHARLESTON - At least one state coal industry leader said he was shocked by comments Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama made earlier this year concerning his plan to aggressively charge polluters for carbon and greenhouse gas emissions.

"What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there," Obama said in a Jan. 17 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle that was made public today on the Web site, which calls itself "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias." The story later was linked on The Drudge Report.

An audio excerpt from the interview can be found at YouTube.

"I was the first to call for a 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter," Obama continued. "That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

Calls and e-mails to West Virginia Obama campaign officials seeking a response for this story were not returned. But according to ABC News, an Obama spokesperson said the comments were taken out of context.

"The line they pulled out is in the context of cap and trade program," the spokesperson said. "The point Obama is making is that we need to transition from coal burning power plants built with old technology to plants built with advanced technologies -- and that is exactly the action that will be incentivized under a cap and trade program."

A spokeswoman for the Obama campaign in West Virginia replied to The Record's requests for comment with a quote from Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland about McCain's energy plan.

"After John McCain said he'd like to 'transition away from coal entirely,' his campaign is hardly in a position to criticize a coal state Senator like Barack Obama who has outlined a $150 billion investment in clean coal and other technologies to create jobs and build a new energy economy," Strickland said. "The truth is, John McCain and Sarah Palin can't name a single thing they'd do differently on the economy than George Bush, so all they have to offer is last minute, desperate distortions. Hardworking families don't need more Washington-style political attacks, they need a President who will create jobs and stand up for the middle class - and that's Barack Obama."

According to the West Virginia Office of Miners' Health, Safety and Training, the coal industry provides about 40,000 direct jobs in the state, including those for miners, mine contractors, coal preparation plant employees and mine supply company workers.

West Virginia is the second largest coal-producing state in the country behind Wyoming and accounts for about 15 percent of all coal production in the United States. The Mountain State leads the nation in underground coal production and leads the nation in coal exports with over 50 million tons shipped to 23 countries. West Virginia accounts for about half of U.S. coal exports.

In addition, the coal industry pays about $70 million in property taxes in the state annually, and the Coal Severance Tax adds about $214 million into West Virginia's economy. The coal industry payroll in the state is nearly $2 billion per year, and coal is responsible for more than $3.5 billion annually in the gross state product.

"The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster," Obama said in the San Francisco Chronicle interview. "What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it."

The senior vice president of the West Virginia Coal Association called Obama's comments "unbelievable."

"His comments are unfortunate," Chris Hamilton said Sunday, "and really reflect a very uninformed voice and perspective to coal specifically and energy generally."

Hamilton noted other times Obama and vice presidential candidate Joe Biden have made seemingly anti-coal statements.

"In Ohio recently, when Joe Biden said 'not here' about building coal-fired power plants -- this is exactly what will happen," Hamilton said. "Financing won't be directed here. It will all go aboard for plants elsewhere in the world. The United Sates is importing more coal today from Indonesia, South Africa and Colombia than we ever have.

"If we're going to create a situation where coal-fired power plants are at that much of a disadvantage, there will be new ones built. But as Biden said, just not here."

Republican presidential candidate John McCain's state director said Obama's statements are troubling, especially for West Virginians.

"I think this clearly shows the attitude the Obama-Biden ticket has toward coal," Ben Beakes said Sunday. "Rhetoric is cheap, but behind closed doors what they tell their supporters - that's what we have to take as gospel.

"They're definitely not friends of coal."

Beakes noted other examples of Obama and Biden making seemingly anti-coal statements, such as in February when Obama said he'd like to tax "dirty energy" such as coal and natural gas.

"And their cohorts in Congress make similar statements," Beakes said. "(Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid (D-Nevada) said this summer that 'coal makes us sick.'

"This is an attitude and view that, to me, shows their hatred of coal. And therefore, their view would cost West Virginians thousands upon thousands of jobs."

Beakes touted McCain's view toward coal.

"John McCain has embraced coal," Beakes said. "He doesn't agree with everything in the coal industry, but his view of coal is positive. He will make it part of his energy policy. He's met with leaders in the coal industry and let them know that. He's sought advice from coal industry leaders.
"McCain understands that coal supports about 49 percent of our electricity in this country. He'll continue to make coal important. He wants to reduce our foreign dependency on oil."

Hamilton also said the Obama campaign needs to find varied sources for coal and energy advice.

"If they're victorious Tuesday, they'd better go to someone other than Al Gore on energy and environmental matters," he said. "They've tipped the balance way -- unnecessarily so -- toward protecting the environment."
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 10:18:25 pm »

Comment by Chicago | 2008-11-03 16:16:41

Do you know that Australia, China, Europe, and South Africa has been using clean coal technology to replace
some of their oil demand?

Do you even know what clean coal means?

South Africa was able to withstand those years of sanctions during their apartheid era due to clean coal
technology and they are the leader in coal to liquid technology for decades.

Did you even understand what was stated by the Coal association official? we are currently IMPORTING coal
from other countries.

If there’s anything that many do not understand is that WE CAN NOT KEEP IMPORTING ENERGY RESOURCE
from other countries if we have our own here. we can not afford to keep sending hundreds of billions of dollars
to other countries. that money is better kept within our own economy.

No one is saying that we shouldn’t have alternative energy, but until we have 100% alternative energy, we need
to use our own oil, natural gas, and coal instead of sending money overseas. is that so freaking hard to understand? it’s economics 101!

We are the Saudi Arabia of coal and we are importing coal from Indonesia? WTF is that about??!

Look at what Canada is doing, they are conserving energy, they are going green, BUT they are selling oil and
are profiting nicely from it.

There’s no reason why we should keep sending money overseas for oil, natural gas, and coal if we have those resources here. keep the money here and help the economy grow, and we also lower global demand of oil which lowers the price so other countries can afford it, and ultimately get more money for alternative energy.

You can’t simply flip a switch and stop using oil, natural gas, and coal. the computer you’re using is 85% oil derivative. you stop using oil, you eliminate plastics from everything, without plastics you have nothing. 80% to 90% of all consumer products have oil derivatives in it.   

Do some research.

Oil, natural gas, coal, can be used responsibly to ensure less emission while we wait for the alternative energy industry to mature. heck, even solar panels manufacturing need oil.

Stop listening to the rhetoric and start using logic to base your economic opinions on this election. Obama’s
energy plan is a pipe dream,McCain’s plan is practical and will result in millions of new jobs and keep US dollars within our borders instead of it going overeseas.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 10:42:43 pm »

Comment by Chicago | 2008-11-03 17:37:42

Shell Oil also have technology that can extract Oil from Oil Shale. the Oil in our oil shale region (CO, WY, MT, UT) has 5 times the oil reserve of Saudi Arabia.

Again, we need to use our own resources to reduce global demand until alternative energy can replace 100% of our enrgy needs.

If all Americans start using electric cars, where’s the electricity going to come from? electricity from wind turbines can not be transported to different regions of the US, the current grid is not setup for it. If the wind blows today and generates electricity by the region where the turbines are located doesn’t need the electricity being generated then it is wasted. when the wind doesn’t blow, then you will still need the power generated by coal and natural gas fired power plants.

These natural gas and coal fired power plants can not be brough online quickly, they need to be ramped up and once they are generating at capacity, they simply can not be shut down right away.

Tell me how the gap between solar and wind generated electricity can be filled if the sun don’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow without nuclear power, coal fired, and natural gas fired power plants?

There is a huge gap in our electricity generation system if coal and natural gas is replaced by wind and solar. both would still need to be backed up by coal and natural gas powered plants.

There’s no way to store the electricity generated by wind and solar, that is a fact. until we get efficient batteries that can store the electricity, there will always be a huge gap and wind and solar will not meet peak demand from one coast to the next.

McCain had stated a couple of months ago that he will institute a program that will award a few million dollars for anyone that can invent an efficient battery. that is a major step in alternative energy, yet many of our democrat brothers and sisters scoffed and laughed at the idea. again, many people simply have no clue about what the country really needs. McCain knows we need efficient battery technology to store the electricity generated by alternative energy yet no one took him seriously.

We simply can not switch off oil, coal, and natural gas, without efficient batteries that will store energy, without updating the national electricity grid to transfer electricity from one region to the next efficiently, and without nuclear power.

Anyone that believes that oil is replaceable right now simply have no knowledge of the inefficiencies of our national grid.

In the meantime, while some people are blocking efforts for more drilling and clean coal, we will keep sending $700 billion to other countries instead of keeping that money within our economy and some of that money can be used to finally improve our national grid, fund battery research, and actually start pushing our country towards an alternative energy based economy.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 10:59:10 pm »

                          Statement from Mike Carey, president of the Ohio Coal Association:

The message from the Democratic candidate for President could not be clearer:

the Obama-Biden ticket spells disaster for America’s coal industry and the tens of thousands
of Americans who work in it.

It’s evident that this campaign has been pandering in states like Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia,
Indiana, and Pennsylvania to attempt to generate votes from coal supporters, while keeping
his true agenda hidden from these states' voters.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 11:48:08 pm »

Good job Bianca... California and New York will be destroyed by nanny-state socialism.

But they will all hail Obama as he dismantles the remainder of the industry and the rest of America.

Just sickening.   Angry
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 01:13:51 am »

I don't think you will see many people shed tears if Obama goes after the coal industry.  Want to see us cry a river?  Let him go after Big Oil or Big Pharma, toio.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 01:41:45 am »

It's so industry moves out of Europe and America.  Do you really think Mexico, India  and China are going to self-regulate their pollution emissions with Global-Carbon-taxes ??

Grow the f Shocked Shocked k up and start cluing in to how the world works.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 03:14:34 am »

Since when is this election about coal?

The United States is the biggest polluter in all the world. with the possible exception of China.  The burning of fossil fuels is what contributes to global warming, which is destroying the earth.  Maybe you should move your head out of you a @@, grow the f Shocked Shocked k up and find out how the world works yourself, doofus!   Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2008, 05:48:59 am »

I listened to these out-of-context sound clips, and I don't know what all the hubbub is about.  Obama states that he actually supports clean coal!  He just doesn't want the coal industry to build new plants that continue to pollute our environment.  So what's wrong with that???

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2008, 09:35:41 am »

"If they're victorious Tuesday, they'd better go to someone other than Al Gore on energy and environmental matters," he said. "They've tipped the balance way -- unnecessarily so -- toward protecting the environment."

How can someone say the balance is unnecessariy tipped toward protecting the environment?  The pollution has got to be cleaned up.  If the USA sets the example - like they used to do - others will follow.  Obama wants clean coal production.  I agree Tom, there's nothing wrong with that.  Heavily taxing the polluters forces them to clean up.  If whoever owns the production plant, doesn't see fit to clean up production, then let someone who will clean it up, own it. 

Pallin keeps talking about drill baby drill, but she happens to want to drill in a protected park.  She keeps saying America has all the oil it needs under the ground.  It doesn't.  Alternative power sources, and clean power sources need to be developed.  There is a horrendous argument going on right now about the Tar Sands up north in Canada.  They're getting the oil out, but at a terrible cost to the environment, and the wastage of water.  Seems to me I heard that the Premier of Alberta wants it stopped.

I'm sure most of you have heard of Tesla and his work with electrical energy.  Allegedly, when he died, his apartment was ransacked by government agents, and his papers stolen.  It's time the government used Tesla's theory and developed his type of electricity. 
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