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« on: October 16, 2008, 12:16:01 am »

THREE FOR THREE
CBS, CNN, FOX INSTANT REACTION... OBAMA TROUNCES MCCAIN




REACTION... Bob Shrum: Put McCain Out Of His Misery... Marty Kaplan: The Relentless Close-Ups Of McCain Were Cruel... Ari Melber: McCain's Entire Offensive Muddled... David Gergen: McCain "An Exercise In Anger Management... He Brought Back Memories Of Bob Dole In 1996"... NYT: McCain Seemed "Angry And Desperate"... Ambinder: "We Saw A McXplosion"... Josh Marshall: McCain Didn't Land "Any Solid Punches"

DEBATE HIGHLIGHTS... McCain Forced To Say It To Obama's Face... McCain: My Feelings Have Been Hurt By Accusations Of Racism... Obama: The American Public Cares About Issues, Not Our Feelings... Obama: Mr. Ayers Has Been The Centerpiece Of McCain's Campaign... Let's Get The Record Straight...
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 12:20:39 am »

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Who Won The Last Debate? Obama Dominates By Largest Margins Yet


John McCain didn't just fail to get the game-changer he needed -- he was trounced in this third and final debate, if the instant post-debate polling provides any indication.

The results over at CBS show Obama to have scored the biggest victory to date: "Fifty-three percent of the uncommitted voters surveyed identified Democratic nominee Barack Obama as the winner of tonight's debate. Twenty-two percent said Republican rival John McCain won. Twenty-four percent saw the debate as a draw."

It is, the site writes, "a clean sweep" for the Illinois Democrat.

Over at CNN, a separate poll of several hundred debate watchers again favored the Democrat by large margins: 58 percent for Obama to McCain's 31 percent. Perhaps more importantly, McCain's favorable rating dropped 51 to 49 while his unfavorable rating increased from 45 percent to 49 percent. Obama ended up with 66 percent favorable rating.

Digging into the details the news is even worse for the Arizona Republican.

Asked who "expressed his views more clearly" 66 percent said Obama, 25 percent said McCain.
"Who spent their time attacking his opponent:" 80 percent said McCain, seven percent said Obama. "Who seemed to be the stronger leader:" 56 percent for Obama, 39 percent for McCain. And who was "more likeable:" 70 percent for Obama to McCain's 22 percent.

CNN also conducted a smaller focus group of 25 undecided likely voters in Ohio, and Obama won that too, 15-10.

Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, meanwhile, conducted some polling before and after the debate and here are his findings.


Before the debate:

McCain: 54 favorable / 34 unfavorable

Obama: 42 favorable / 42 unfavorable

After the debate:

McCain: 50 favorable / 48 unfavorable

Obama: 72 favorable / 22 unfavorable

Meanwhile, virtually the entire Frank Luntz focus group on Fox News, which was staged tonight in Miami, said that Barack Obama won the debate. Luntz termed it a "clear majority," but not one person raised their hand when asked if they thought McCain won.

Said Luntz: "None had made a decision to support Sen. Obama before the debate, but more than half supported him after the debate. It was a good night for Barack Obama."





On the flip side, The Page's Mark Halperin offered the following grades:

Obama a B and McCain an A-

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John McCain didn't just fail to get the game-changer he needed -- he was trounced in this third and final debate, if the instant post-debate polling provides any indication. The results over at CBS ...
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2008, 12:24:33 am »

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McCain Mockingly Suggests That Concerns For A Mother's Health Are Extreme




The differences of opinion surrounding the issue of access to safe and legal abortion, and a woman's right to choose to have one, have long been a mainstay of political debate. But tonight, I believe, featured a historical moment in that debate, because until tonight, I had never seen the matter of a woman's health given AIR SCARE QUOTES. But that's precisely what John McCain did, sneeringly, as he attempted to portray support for a mother's health as an extreme position, when in fact, it is a mainstream position -- ground that even fervent pro-life individuals often concede.

Reached for comment, Megan Carpentier of womens' issues blog Jezebel had this to say:

It used to be that McCain was leading the charge to reform the Republican platform to include exceptions for the life and health of the mother to their anti-abortion plank. That tonight he declared his own position extreme -- let alone called a woman that chooses her own continued existence over the potential future life of a fetus "extreme" -- is a pretty significant and rather disgusting charge.
I concur, absolutely and without reservation.

[WATCH.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/mccain-mockingly-suggests_n_135072.html

UPDATE:

Cecile Richards, the president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, weighs in:

"Tonight, John McCain showed he doesn't care about women's health when he described protecting "the health of the woman" as "extreme." John McCain doesn't seem to understand that women's health matters. He blatantly showed that he doesn't trust women to decide what is in the best interest of their own health. Barack Obama, on the other hand, stood up for women's health."
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 12:30:59 am »

Gergen: McCain's Performance "An Exercise In Anger Management" (VIDEO)

David Gergen, veteran of Republican and Democratic administrations, put it succinctly just now on CNN: McCain "looked angry. It was an exercise in anger management up there."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/gergen-mccain-an-exercise_n_135073.html

Later, Gergen remarked on McCain's visible contempt for Obama, saying "There were times he brought back memories of Bob Dole in 1996" and "The looks and the disdain and the contempt and the anger that he felt was palpable."

Later in CNN's broadcast, after Campbell Brown ran down CNN's poll results (an overall Obama win, a win for Obama among independents, Obama wins on questions about healthcare, and even taxes), Anderson Cooper asked Gergen what he would say to McCain about what the message should be going forward, in light of these results. Gergen replied, "Beats the hell out of me," adding later, "See if you can leave this with your honor in tact."
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 12:35:34 am »

Final Debate: McCain Brings Up Ayers, ACORN




McCain goes where he hasn't before in a debate: Bill Ayers. "We need to know the full extent of that relationship," he declares. Then he accuses the community organizing group ACORN of committing, potentially, "one of the greatest frauds of voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy in this country."

It is a wild accusation, not grounded in any bit of reality. Just asked Florida Gov. and McCain surrogate Charlie Christ, who says the allegation is being overblown.

Obama responds by explaining his relationship with Ayers: "Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago. 40 years ago when I was eight years old he engaged in despicable acts with a domestic group. I have roundly denounced those attacks. Ten years ago he and I served on a school board funded by one of Ronald Reagan's close friends ... The fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign," he concludes, "says more about your campaign than it does me."

McCain glared and smirked during the exchange.


Here's Maude Hurd, of ACORN, responding to McCain's accusations:

"We appreciate that Senator McCain's effort to stir up the Republican base by attacking a community group that is trying to increase public participation in our democratic processes. However, these attacks reflect an increasingly panicky candidate; unfortunately the Senator McCain we saw tonight is very different than the Senator McCain who stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN at a February 20, 2006 immigration reform event.

It is clear for us to see that John McCain was for ACORN before he was against ACORN; he was for reform before he was against reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic. What is really going here is that Senator McCain and his allies are part of a coordinated effort to engage in what appears to be an unprecedented effort to suppress voter turnout."

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 12:47:25 am »

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McCain Rolls Eyes At Obama In Debate (VIDEO)
October 15, 2008 10:04 PM


The disdain for Obama is nearly dripping from McCain's mouth.

"I admire so much Sen. Obama's eloquence," he said, "and you really have to pay attention to words. He said we can 'look at' offshore drilling. You got that? 'Look at.' We need to do it now."

He then criticizes Obama for never traveling to the southern hemisphere, citing it as a reason why he doesn't support the Colombia Free Trade Agreement.

"Maybe you ought to travel down there and visit them and maybe you can understand them a lot better," McCain said, disregarding the fact that his running mate has only been to two other countries and just recently got her passport.

As Obama gave his response, McCain rolled his eyes dramatically.

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Posted October 16, 2008 | 01:09 AM (EST)
McCain's Losing Strategy: Double Down on the Anger


John McCain scored the zinger of the night with, "I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago."

But his performance in the third debate was, in fact, incredibly Bush-like, mirroring Bush's signature stubbornness -- especially on Iraq -- by doubling down on a failed strategy.

McCain's reliance on angry, negative, personal attacks on Obama -- including the pathetic Ayers smear and ACORN "destroying the fabric of democracy" -- has been an unequivocal failure, with the poll numbers to prove it. But instead of course-correcting, McCain doubled down tonight -- coming across as angrier and meaner than ever before.

This debate wasn't decided on the arguments being made. It was won on the reaction shots. Every time Obama spoke, McCain grimaced, sneered, rapidly blinked, or rolled his eyes. "He looked like Captain Ahab, again and again going after Moby Dick," John Cusack told me. "Or an animal caught in a bear trap. He even seemed pissed at Joe the Plumber."

McCain's contemptuous reactions were so intense and frequent, they've already been turned into a YouTube video. The disdain McCain feels for Obama was unmistakable. It's as if Obama is not just blocking his way to the White House, but robbing him of his destiny.

By contrast, every time McCain was on the attack, Obama was smiling. And the nastier McCain got, the brighter Obama's smile became. It was the non-verbal equivalent of Reagan's disarming "There you go again" -- and it served to underline McCain's need for anger management. The angrier McCain got, the more unruffled Obama appeared.

It was like watching a split-screen double feature -- Grumpy Old Men playing side by side with Cool Hand Luke.

McCain was frantic -- as though he was running out of time, which he is -- throwing everything he had at Obama, logical connection between thoughts be damned. In one memorable answer, he brought up Colombia, quickly jumping from free trade, to drugs killing young Americans, to hostages freed from Colombian rebels, to job creation.

Colombia also brought out one of McCain's most sneering reactions, chiding Obama for never having "traveled south of our border" -- a jaw-dropping line of attack from the man who chose Sarah "Just Got My Passport" Palin as his No. 2.

Another head-scratcher: McCain's claim that "talking about a positive plan of action to restore this economy" is "what my campaign is all about." Really?

This is another way in which McCain's campaign mirrors Bush's handling of the Iraq war: not only doubling down on a failed strategy but also engaging in an endless search for an underlying rationale.

McCain's campaign was all about experience -- until he picked Palin. It was all about putting country first -- until he picked Palin. It was all about the success of the surge -- until everyone from General Petraeus and the authors of the latest NIE made it clear that victory in Iraq exists only in McCain's and Palin's stump speeches. It was all about William Ayers -- until voters rejected that line of attack. It was all about national security -- until the economy collapsed.

Now it looks like it's going to be all about Joe the Plumber -- and Sarah Palin's "expertise" on autism. Note to Sen. McCain, check out Palin's record as an advocate for special needs kids. She may understand their problems "better than almost any American that I know," but she sure isn't making their life easier in her state. (Is it any wonder McCain choked on the words as he referred to Palin as a "bresh of freth air"?)

Another note to McCain: If your mentioning Hillary Clinton three times in the debate was an attempt to win the hearts of women, putting women's "health" in air quotes and labeling it the concern only of "extreme" pro-abortionists was not a very good way to close the deal. He can kiss those women -- and those pro-choice swing voters -- good-bye.

McCain's spirit at the beginning of the debate quickly curdled into a desperate rage. And looking at the post-debate insta-polls, one thing became crystal: for voters, a lot of anger doesn't go a long way.

Obama closed by promising to "work every single day, tirelessly, on your behalf." McCain closed by just sounding tired -- exhausted by all the unleashed fury.

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 04:08:48 am »

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What a guy, Obama wins a rigged debate !!!

You Obamaphiles must be wetting yourselves now !!!

Where are the liberals and their anti-discrimination banter now ??

The other parties were discriminated against in the debate and yet nothing from any liberal organization like moveon.org or the ACLU ??

What a farce !!!

What a fraud !!!

I want a true republic back, this one is broken !!!   Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 04:12:14 am »

Okay since the Bilderberg shamdidates were too cowardly to include others into the debate I'll post some Chuck Baldwin info here.

Besides we don't discriminate or want to set any kind of a precedent here at Atlantis Onine do we ??   Shocked

Good.   Wink


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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 11:09:19 am »

I think you have to regiser a certain amount of support in the polls to get included in the debates, Volitzer, and none of the third party candidates can break out of single digits.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 11:10:32 am »

THE SPRINT



UPDATES: Obama Moves Into GOP States... Starts Running Ads In West Virginia... Candidates Release Dueling Post-Debate Ads... Obama Ad: McCain IS Bush... McCain Ad: I'm NOT Bush...

DEBATE REACTION: Arianna Huffington: McCain's Losing Strategy: Double Down On The Anger... Nora Ephron: McCain Seemed Off His Meds... Bob Shrum: Put McCain Out Of His Misery... Marty Kaplan: The Relentless Close-Ups Of McCain Were Cruel... Ari Melber: McCain's Entire Offensive Muddled... David Gergen: McCain "An Exercise In Anger Management... He Brought Back Memories Of Bob Dole In 1996"... NYT: McCain Seemed "Angry And Desperate"...
Ambinder: "We Saw A McXplosion"... Josh Marshall: McCain Didn't Land "Any Solid Punches"

DEBATE HIGHLIGHTS... McCain Forced To Say It To Obama's Face: McCain Uses Ayers, ACORN Attacks...
MORE DEBATE HIGHLIGHTS... BLOGGING... VIDEO
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 11:12:34 am »

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Off the Meds



So is this the real John McCain?

No question the man who turned up last night did a better job than he'd done at the previous two debates. But here's the problem for McCain: he's either last week's guy, who seems to be on medication, or he's this week's guy, who seems to have been abruptly taken off it.

He gave the game away in his first answer when, in talking about the economy, he said that Americans were angry. But Americans aren't angry, they're poleaxed. They're terrified. They're afraid they're going to lose their jobs or their homes or their pensions. They're worried they won't be able to send their kids to college. If John McCain thinks they're angry, it's either because he's projecting, or else he's simply been going to too many of his own rallies.

As he smirked and blinked and raised his eyebrows, I couldn't help wondering what tonight's McCain seemed like to all those conservative pundits who'd been hoping a different McCain would show up. Is this what they meant? Is this the John McCain of Bill Kristol's dreams?

Whichever McCain shows up, some things stay the same. He's a towel-snapper. He can't land a joke. He seems old. (As Martin Short said on Letterman just after the debate, "The only time he doesn't have to pee is when he's peeing.") And he's an absolutely terrible actor. Every time McCain went into his Joe-the-plumber-bit, those undecided voters on CNN were unmoved. They were probably not saying barf, like some of us were, but that's only because they're not allowed to talk amongst themselves during the debate.

At the Time Politics conference this week, New York Times columnist Frank Rich asked, "Was there any way that the Sarah Palin choice might have played out differently?" CBS' Jeff Greenfield gave a wonderful answer. He said the question reminded him of a woman friend who'd said of her divorce, "We would have had a wonderful marriage if he had been a completely different person." Isn't that great? It's practically a Zen koan, not that I know what a Zen koan is. But one of the most remarkable things about Barack Obama is that he's the same person every time he shows up. And as for John McCain, a completely different person showed up tonight, and it didn't seem to matter.


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Rachel Weiner rachelwe@huffingtonpost.com | HuffPost Reporter  Final Debate: McCain's Deer In The Headlights Moment (VIDEO)
October 15, 2008 10:43 PM



McCain mentioned "Joe the Plumber" almost constantly throughout the final debate -- even tying him into an attack on Obama's health care plan. But the move led to a "deer in the headlights" moment for the Republican.

"Joe, Senator Obama's plan ... If you are out there, my friend, and you have got employees and you have got kids, if you don't get a health care plan that Sen. Obama mandates, he is going to fine you," McCain said.

"I'm happy to talk to you, Joe, too, if you're out there," Obama responded. "Here is your fine: Zero."

McCain interrupted, asking "Zero?" He stayed frozen in the same position, blinking his eyes in confusion, as Obama continued his answer.

"Zero," Obama said. "You won't pay a fine because as I said in our last debate, and I'll repeat John, I exempt small businesses from the requirement for large businesses that can afford to provide health care to their employees who are not doing it. I exempt small businesses from having to pay into a kitty."

Obama then ripped McCain for proposing to tax the health care benefits individuals will receive from their employer -- a winner for him in past debates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/final-debate-mccains-deer_n_135063.html

The Washington Post Fact Checker confirmed Obama's response:

McCain was wrong to state that small businessman "Joe the Plumber" would end up paying a fine if he refused to provide his workers with health insurance. Under the Obama plan, small businesses are specifically exempted from a requirement imposed on large companies that they contribute to a national health fund if they fail to make "a meaningful contribution" to their employees' health care costs.
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Obama Ad Goes After McCain's Inner Bush, Eye Rolls
October 16, 2008 08:56 AM



Barack Obama is out with the first post-debate campaign ad. He goes directly after what was perceived to be one of John McCain's best lines from Wednesday night -- his proclamation that he is "not President Bush" -- and, in the process, highlights some of the more peculiar facial expressions made by the Arizona Republican.


"True ... but you did vote with Bush 90% of the time," goes the script. "Tax breaks for big corporations and the wealthy. But almost nothing for the middle class -- same as Bush. Keep spending ten billion a month in Iraq while our own economy struggles -- same as Bush."

The spot, titled "90 Percent," contains shots of McCain rolling his eyes, blinking and looking like a deer in the headlights -- as sure a suggestion as any that the Obama campaign thought they won last night's debate as much (if not more) on style as substance.

Hours after Obama's ad was released, McCain responded with one of his own: a one-minute spot in which the Arizona Republican speaks directly into the camera, admonishes the Bush years, and never mentions Obama by name.

Tilted "Fight," the McCain ad seems almost transparent in its purpose: paint the Senator as the candidate railing against Bush's record and Obama as the product of D.C. Note the quotes he highlights in the script.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/obama-ad-goes-after-mccai_n_135146.html

"The last eight years haven't worked very well, have they?" the Senator says. "I'll make the next four better. Your savings, your job and your financial security are under siege. Washington is making it worse -- bankrupting us with their spending. Telling us paying higher taxes is "patriotic"? And saying we need to "spread the wealth around"?"

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2008, 01:32:17 pm »

I think you have to regiser a certain amount of support in the polls to get included in the debates, Volitzer, and none of the third party candidates can break out of single digits.

On what the Bilderbergimeters ??

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