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SAUDI ARABIA - A Legend Lingers: The Graveyard of Eve

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« on: September 24, 2008, 10:00:36 am »




                       

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                        A man approaches the door to “The Graveyard of our mother Eve”
                        in Jiddah, where it is said that the biblical Eve was buried.
                        No archaeological evidence supports the story.











                                                                   A Legend Lingers



                                    Some Muslim pilgrims trek to see 'Graveyard of Eve' in Saudi Arabia


 
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
September 20, 2008

JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia - On a sweltering August morning, a small group of Iranians crowded outside the green-metal door of a cemetery. They wanted to go in to look at the remains of one particular tomb -- the tomb of biblical Eve.

Like hundreds of Muslims who visit Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage in nearby Mecca, the Iranians had heard the legend that Eve was buried in that spot. The two blue signs inscribed with "The Graveyard of our mother Eve" flanking the cemetery entrance appeared to add credibility to a story passed on by generations of Saudis.

"We hear this is the tomb of Eve," said Minoo Ghadimkhani, 45. "That is why we want to go in."

There is no archaeological evidence old enough to authenticate the story, according to many Bible experts. But that hasn't kept the legend from persisting.

Some say that the city's name, when pronounced as "Jaddah" -- an Arabic word that means grandmother -- is a reference to Eve. No one really knows how the story originated, and many in this port city on the Red Sea dismiss it as a myth.

"It's a legend, but it is one mentioned by many scholars," said Sami Nawar, the general director for culture and tourism. Nawar, an expert on the history of old Jiddah, likes to lace a bit of the legend into his presentations on the city to visiting foreign dignitaries and journalists.

"Jiddah is the most feminine city in the whole world because it has Eve," Nawar said.

The Quran, Islam's holy book, talks about Adam and Eve's expulsion from paradise after eating from the fruit of the forbidden tree. It does not say where they appeared on Earth.

But Arab tradition puts Adam in the holy city of Mecca, which is 43 miles east of Jiddah, where God ordered him to build the Kaaba, the sacred stone structure that Muslims face during their five daily prayers, according to Nawar.

God then told Adam to go to a hill in Mecca to repent for his sins, Nawar said. After he repented, God sent him Eve, and the hill became known as Mount Arafat, from the Arabic word that means "to know," he added. That story places Eve, Hawwa in Arabic, in the vicinity of Jiddah, which is the entry point for Muslim pilgrims to Mecca. It could explain how the legend of her burial began.

Arab and Western historians and travelers have described a tomb outside the walls of old Jiddah that they referred to as Eve's Graveyard.

Historian Hatoon al-Fassi said that al-Fakihi, a 9th century Mecca historian, reported that two of Prophet Muhammad's companions, Ibn Abbas and Ibn Massoud, mentioned Eve's tomb. The prophet died in 623.

Writing about Jiddah in his Travels, Ibn Jubayr, a 12th-century geographer, traveler and poet, born in Valencia, then the seat of an Arab emirate, says that "in it is a place having an ancient and lofty dome, which is said to have been the lodging place of Eve, the mother of mankind, God's blessing upon her when on her way to (Mecca)." The passage was quoted by the Arab News, a Saudi paper.

The tomb no longer exists. And it's not clear how it was destroyed. Those who have been inside the cemetery say that in its place is a row of unmarked tombs, and there's nothing to indicate that the tomb had been there. (The Wahhabi strain of Islam bans the marking of tombs, and women in the Saudi kingdom are barred from entering cemeteries.)

William Dever, a professor emeritus of Near Eastern studies at the University of Arizona and a prominent U.S. archaeologist, said there just isn't any archaeological evidence going back far enough to back up the claims.

"The problem is that these are all legends, these are all myths and we can't date them," said Dever, who specializes in the history of Israel and Near East in biblical times. "My guess is the story could go back two or three thousand years, but we don't have any archaeological proof."

"There are lots of traditional tombs of saints of various kinds in the Middle East," he said. "But they are never excavated or investigated scientifically."

Asked if he had heard of any other final resting place for Eve, Dever said, "No. There are tombs of Abraham all over the place, but I don't honestly know in Israel or the West Bank or Jordan of any Eve tomb in these places."

On the quiet street of the cemetery, which faces low-rise, rundown buildings, the Eve legend remains alive even though those who grew up with the story don't really believe it.

Ahmed Bakoudij, a 32-year-old mechanic, said he called his garage "Hawwa's Garage" despite his skepticism.

"I've been hearing about Hawwa's grave since I was a kid," Bakoudij said. "But no one believes it. I have to see it with my own eyes to believe it."

"But," he said, "if I ever have kids, I'll pass on the legend to them."

Grocer Saleh Ba-Aqeel said that hundreds of Muslim pilgrims from Iran, Indonesia and other countries visit the cemetery.

"When they come and ask me if Eve is really buried here, I tell them, ‘God only knows,''' Ba-Aqeel said.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2008, 01:47:16 pm »

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Dear . . . . BIANCA,
 
My sincere-apologies to act as a Spell-breaker:

EVE became,  the SECOND wife of ADAM ( after his daughter LILLITH>)
Obviously the Name EVE is a fabulation from a larger name
her MOTHER is supposed to be" NAMA/ nannar- " in an alternative POEM
EVE was a FIRST  LADY of Egypt NOT the wife of the" FIRST- Man( on Earth.)
The generic CREATION Myths allwere written after 1.000 bc, not in 4.000 bc

The ' original " EVE is not HAWWA nor  HEBAT "  Save, perhaps Ninnursha( Mother of Ninanna.)

but rather, the egyptian ( Warrior-)Queen and female Fieldmarshall
the 2-nd Prophet of Amun, mentioned as MERIAMME in Numbers 12 verse-1
Queen AMOSE - NEFERTI  MERI- AMUN ( 1090 - 980 bc.)

In GREEK Eve was named NEVELE
( from Egyptian NEFERTI.)
the 2-nd wife of King ADAM or ATHAMAS
ADAM- Mas was king of ADEN, which was the original " SION " Jaddah( grandmother )
of which the NEW- Jerusalem in Palestine was but the DAUGHTERof.

Also on the WEST- COAST of ARABY
there is the TOMB of the QUEEN of SHEBA( actually Queen Hatsepsuth.)
which was also destroyed but now repaired and repainted
 I forget where exactly near Mecca or near Mocca  Huh

EVE,  as an full -egyptian- Fieldmarshall
of the early 18-th Dynasty may have campaigned far up North in ARABY
against the Hyksos-Arabs called : PUNICIANS or Canaanites from THEO-MA

If one of her campaign Generals had died during a Battle of Aii, He( or She-)may
have been burried in a mausoleum inscribed with a DEDICATION,written in Hieroglyphs,
signed by the -regal-Field-Marshall NEFERTI and so her name was connected
with a Tomb of another person !   But that is a conjecture of my -educated- guess.

Sorry if this dissident view, is " off-Topic " again !

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd 18-th Nov.2008
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2008, 05:03:12 pm »







Blue,

Why don't you leave those poor Saudis to their own legends, nobody is telling you Dutch
people that the boy who stuck his finger in the dyke never existed!!!


As for your theories:

You have yet to bring any PROOF or EVIDENCE!!!
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2009, 10:46:40 am »

You mean to say that CAYCE and DONNELLY gave more PROOF or EVIDENCE  for YUCATAN as Atlantis, than I did  for ADEN ?
Those poor ' Saudies ' say themselves that behind the MARIB - DAM was the original garden of Eden and Atlantis called the Hesperid gardens where Frankincense was produced.  But even they got no PROOF of that yet I am inclined to believe that they are telling the Truth and that the ( Hesperid-)Garden of Eden was NOT originally in the lush gardens of the northern- Mesopothamian Rivers' Cresent


Blue,

Why don't you leave those poor Saudis to their own legends, nobody is telling you Dutch
people that the boy who stuck his finger in the dyke never existed!!!


As for your theories:

You have yet to bring any PROOF or EVIDENCE!!!

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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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