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« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2007, 05:16:04 pm »

Since the Egyptians were great mathmeticians, and since it is an easy step from pouring bricks to pouring larger bricks - blocks - it follows that blocks would be created for a specific purpose - just the way we use landscaping blocks today, or interlockfing blocks.



To me, it would be nearly impossible to hand chisel perfectly formed blocks over and over so they are all identical.  However, pouring them in molds would be condusive to perfect conformity.





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« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2007, 02:01:49 am »

Egyptian expert confirmed that stone blocks are man-made
One of the leading Egyptian pyramid experts, Ali Abdallah Berekat, geologist at the Egyptian Mineral Resources Authority, confirmed that the stone blocks excavated on the Visocica hillside – Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun - are not natural, but man-made creations.

Semir Osmanagic confirmed Berekat’s statement in the interview given to the FENA News Agency and said that Berekat explained how the stone blocks were made. According to the expert coming from the land of pyramids, the stone blocks were molded.

Also, Osmanagic said that the Egyptian expert explained the purpose of the white building material excavated on the north side of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun.

“Ali Abdallah Berekat PhD is sure that white building material is actually connective material, or the same type of material used to build the walls of the Egyptian temples”, Osmanagic said and added that the statement made by the Egyptian expert is a very important verification of the hypothesis about the existence of the pyramids.
 
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« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2007, 08:16:52 pm »

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Plasma in the Pyramid?

One of the most interesting enigmas about the Great Pyramid is the fact that there is in area along the limestone blocks lining the first overlap in the grand gallery that show signs of calcination. The well-known pyramid researcher, Richard Noone, checked with the Indiana Limestone Institute of America, Inc. and was told that to initiate calcining on limestone required a temperature of at least 1500 degrees F. When we are getting into temperatures that high, we are getting into areas suggesting the builders may have been in part, capable of initiating low temp plasma fields in the Great Gallery.

To create a plasma field requires positively charged ions coupled with negatively charged electrons. Because the pyramid seems to absorb energy and it’s sitting in a desert where positive ions collect, we can be reasonably certain that the builders had all the positive ions they may have needed to initiate a plasma reaction in the mass centroid.

We also have other evidence that plasma physics must have been a known technology in antiquity. There are ancient Hittite cities in Turkey that are vitrified, as are stone forts found in Peru, Scotland, Ireland, France and India. The stones at these places are literally fused, like melted glass, and it takes temperatures in excess of 4500 degrees F. to vitrify stone to this extent. Many of these sites are in places where all chance of volcanic activity has been ruled out. Some researchers suggest that these places bear witness to an ancient nuclear war, and while there have been extraordinarily high levels of radiation reported in some of these sites, the advanced city of Mohenjo-Daro in Pakistan and the Dead Sea area being among the most notable, other vitrified sites show no sign of radiation at all.

It somehow makes sense that a Pyramid structure dedicated to the sun would have been capable of creating “a little sun”, for plasma is the fuel all suns burn. Plasma is called the fourth state of matter. Stars are made of plasma, so plasma is really the most abundant form of matter in the universe. Were the builders of the Great Pyramid capable of achieving a plasma state within the Great Pyramid? All the facts aren’t in yet, but it seems high on the probability list.

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« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2007, 08:47:23 pm »


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Greek Fire, Plasma Guns and Atomic Warfare




If one were to believe the great Indian epic of the Mahabharata, fantastic battles were fought in the past with airships, particle beams, chemical warfare and presumably atomic weapons. Just as battles in the 20th century have been fought with incredibly devastating weapons, it may well be that battles in the latter days of Atlantis were fought with highly sophisticated, high-tech weapons.

The mysterious Greek fire was a "chemical fireball". Incendiary mixtures go back at least to the 5th century BC, when Aineias the Tactician wrote a book called On the Defence of Fortified Positions. Said he:12

And fire itself, which is to be powerful and quite inextinguishable, is to be prepared as follows. Pitch, sulphur, tow, granulated frankincense, and pine sawdust in sacks you should ignite if you wish to set any of the enemy's works on fire.

L. Sprague de Camp mentions in his book, The Ancient Engineers,13 that at some point it was found that petroleum, which seeps out of the ground in Iraq and elsewhere, made an ideal base for incendiary mixtures because it could be squirted from syringes of the sort then used in fighting fires. Other substances were added to it, such as sulphur, olive oil, rosin, bitumen, salt and quicklime.

Some of these additives may have helped--sulphur at least made a fine stench--but others did not, although it was thought that they did. Salt, for instance, may have been added because the sodium in it gave the flame a bright orange colour. The ancients, supposing that a brighter flame was necessarily a hotter flame, mistakenly believed that salt made the fire burn more fiercely. Such mixtures were put in thin wooden casks and thrown from catapults at hostile ships and at wooden siege engines and defence works.

According to de Camp, in AD 673 the architect Kallinikos fled ahead of Arab invaders from Helipolis-Ba'albek to Constantinople. There he revealed to Emperor Constantine IV an improved formula for a liquid incendiary. This could not only be squirted at the foe but could also be used with great effect at sea, because it caught fire when it touched the water and floated, flaming on the waves.

De Camp says that Byzantine galleys were armed with a flame-throwing apparatus in the bow, consisting of a tank of this mixture, a pump and a nozzle. With the help of this compound, the Byzantines broke the Arab sieges of AD 674-76 and AD 715-18, and also beat off the Russian attacks of AD 941 and 1043. The incendiary liquid wrought immense havoc; of 800 Arab ships which attacked Constantinople in 716 AD, only a handful returned home.

The formula for the wet version of Greek fire has never been discovered. Says de Camp:

By careful security precautions, the Byzantine Emperors succeeded in keeping the secret of this substance, called "wet fire" or "wild fire", so dark that it never did become generally known. When asked about it, they blandly replied that an angel had revealed the formula to the first Constantine.

We can, therefore, only guess the nature of the mixture. According to one disputed theory, wet fire was petroleum with an admixture of calcium phosphide, which can be made from lime, bones and urine. Perhaps Kallinikos stumbled across this substance in the course of alchemical experiments.

Vitrification of brick, rock and sand may have been caused by any number of high-tech means. New Zealand author Robin Collyns suggests in his book, Ancient Astronauts: A Time Reversal?,14 that there are five methods by which the ancients or "ancient astronauts" might have waged war on various societies on planet Earth. He outlines how these methods are again on the rise in modern society. The five methods are: plasma guns, fusion torches, holes punched in the ozone layer, manipulation of weather processes and the release of immense energy, such as with an atomic blast. As Collyns's book was published in Britain in 1976, the mentions of holes in the ozone layer and weather warfare seem strangely prophetic.

Explaining the plasma gun, Collyns says:

The plasma gun has already been developed experimentally for peaceful purposes: Ukrainian scientists from the Geotechnical Mechanics Institute have experimentally drilled tunnels in iron ore mines by using a plasmatron, i.e., a plasma gas jet which delivers a temperature of 6,000°C.

A plasma, in this case, is an electrified gas. Electrified gases are also featured in the Vymaanika-Shaastra,15 the ancient book from India on vimanas, which cryptically talks of using for fuel the liquid metal mercury, which could be a plasma if electrified.

Collyns goes on to describe a fusion torch:

This is still another possible method of warfare used by spacemen, or ancient advanced civilisations on Earth. Perhaps the solar mirrors of antiquity really were fusion torches? The fusion torch is basically a further development of the plasma jet. In 1970 a theory to develop a fusion torch was presented at the New York aerospace science meeting by Drs Bernard J. Eastlund and William C. Cough. The basic idea is to generate a fantastic heat of at least fifty million degrees Celsius which could be contained and controlled. That is, the energy released could be used for many peaceful applications with zero radioactive waste products to avoid contaminating the environment, or zero production of radioactive elements which would be highly dangerous, such as plutonium which is the most deadly substance known to man. Thermonuclear fusion occurs naturally in stellar processes, and unnaturally in man-made H-bomb explosions.

The fusion of a deuterium nucleus (a heavy hydrogen isotope which can be easily extracted from sea water) with another deuterium nucleus, or with tritium (another isotope of hydrogen) or with helium, could be used. The actual fusion torch would be an ionised plasma jet which would vaporise anything and everything that the jet was directed at--if...used for harmful purposes--while for peaceful applications, one use of the torch could be to reclaim basic elements from junk metals.

University of Texas scientists announced in 1974 that they had actually developed the first experimental fusion torch which gave an incredible heat output of ninety-three degrees Celsius. This is five times the previous hottest temperature for a contained gas and is twice the minimum heat needed for fusion, but it was held only for one fifty-millionth of a second instead of the one full second which would be required.

It is curious to note here that Dr Bernard Eastlund is the patent holder of another unusual device--one that is associated with the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), based at Gakona, Alaska. HAARP is allegedly linked to weather manipulation--one of the ways in which Collyns thinks the ancients waged warfare.

As far as holes in the ozone layer and weather manipulation go, Collyns says:

Soviet scientists have discussed and proposed at the United Nations a ban on developing new warfare ideas such as creating holes or "windows" in the ozone layer to bombard specific areas of the Earth with increased natural ultra-violet radiation, which would kill all life-forms and turn the land into barren desert.

Other ideas discussed at the meeting were the use of "infrasound" to demolish ships by creating acoustic fields on the sea, and hurling a huge chunk of rock into the sea with a cheap atomic device. The resultant tidal wave could demolish the coastal fringe of a country. Other tidal waves could be created by detonating nuclear devices at the frozen poles. Controlled floods, hurricanes, earthquakes and droughts directed towards specific targets and cities are other possibilities.

Finally, although not a new method of warfare, incendiary weapons are now being developed to the point where "chemical fireballs" will be produced which radiated thermal energy similar to that of an atomic bomb. 
 
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« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2007, 02:21:57 pm »

I am an advocate of the poured stone theory for all Pyramid work done during the 4th dynasty, and here is why. During the accepted Egyptian "pyramid age" it would appear that the Egyptians were attempting to repair an already existing and extremely ancient and damaged Pyramid. There is a text called the "Lugal-e" in which the Sumerian hero, Ninurta, apparently had used his array of evidently quite effective weapons to blast the hell out of the pyramid. I say that Ninurta had "effective" weapons not based upon one text, but many, many texts, which curiously appear to encompass time spans of thousands of years, but are never-the-less described by exactly the same wording. Ninurta, the Sumerian war lord that apparently attacked the Great Pyramid, was known throughout the Middle East, and in every country where he was known, he was called by a different name. This, I can assure you, is nothing too astounding, because the Sumerian gods were known by the Elamites, the Egyptians, Israel, Turkey and throughout the entire area, however they were always called a different name in each of those countries. Most reasonable scholars have now gotten the hang of it, and realize the same gods had lots of different names, and today it is a whole lot easier for us to track the activities of those beings than it was even 25 years ago. Ninurta, by the way, was also known as "Ishum." He appears to be one of the two "angels" that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The effectiveness of his weapons was truly recognized and well known throughout the Middle East and Egypt. Whether he was called Ninurta in one country or Isham in another, the weapons against his chosen enemies were always described in the same exact words. And based on the weapons descriptions contained in the text titled "Erra and Isham" we can be reasonably certain that the exact same weapons were used against the Great Pyramid in the text titled "The Ninurta Myth Lugal-e." In other words, the weapons used appear to have been perfectly capable of blowing the heck out of things…

Here is a quote taken from a book of Sumerian texts which were translated by the late Thorkild Jacobsen, professor of Assyriology emeritus at Harvard University. I found the text I was looking for in the book titled, "The Harps that Once…" published by Yale University Press in 1987. It's available at Amazon. Though there are many passages I found of considerable interest, I think the following quote may suffice..

My king stepped hither to the Limestone
Was flaying the skin
Off the limestone,
Ninurta, Enlil's son,
Passed sentence on it saying
"Limestone, as you said:
Now I am it!
Limestone, as you cast lots
About my offices,
Be you made to lie for building purposes
\like a pig!
Be thrown – not worked-
And be put an end to
By being BROKEN TO BITS.
May the one who knows all about you
Pierce you with water!"

Considering the effectiveness of Ninurta's weapons as they were described in this text as well as several others, we can be reasonably certain that when Ninurta declared the Limestone blocks "broken to bits", he wasn't just whistling Dixie. This guy was utterly famous for destruction, and I do not lie, nor fantasize.

The text, when actually looked at with reason, implies that Ninurta was not just hauling away the limestone casing blocks to be used elsewhere. No. Ninurta was not so easy to deal with; when he said "may you be broken to bits" you can pretty much count on the fact that that is exactly what he meant.

Therefore, it would appear that in the "poured stone repair job" theory I have proposed, nobody had to crush up rock; all they had to do was figure out what to do with all the crushed up rock that apparently already lay at the base of a seriously damaged Pyramid. Since it is now obvious that all the 4th dynasty Egyptians had to do was copy the poured stone techniques obviously used in the Bosnian pyramid, it seems pretty cear to me that any repair job attempted would have logically used only amalgamated poured stone. Geez, it was already there, so why not? If this were not the case, then where did all the rock go that was "broken to bits"? It's sure not laying at the base of the Great Pyramid now, is it?

Though I didn't catch the show, on 1-15-07 Coast to Coast interviewed Stephen Mehler, and the recap said…

"First half-hour guest, researcher Stephen Mehler, who has just returned from Egypt, shared an update on the Great Pyramid at Giza. In regards to the recent cement theory (as discussed on our Roundtable show), he believes that some pouring may have been used in the pyramid's construction, but there is still much evidence for natural stone such as granite. He also commented that Zahi Hawass has privately admitted that the Great Pyramid is built on an older structure."

Apparently, even Mehler, who has in the past been vehemently against the poured stone theory has admitted that many of the world's leading pyramidologists now see proof that at least part of the Pyramid was poured. Around the same time, I read a couple of news releases on the net about several scientists saying the evidence for the poured stone theory was now irrefutable, based upon new chemical analysis of the stones, but I didn't seem to bookmark the press releases, and now, for the life of me, can't find the articles again.

I absolutely suggest that the core of the structure is made from cut stone, particularly the granite blocks, and I will agree with Chris Dunn, whoever cut those granite blocks had to have access to incredibly high tech equipment. The precision in the granite blocks especially is absolutely phenomenal, and could not be achieved today by using hand tools. I invite anyone who believes it could be done to go buy a chunk of granite and attempt to carve it into a block using hardened copper tools. Good luck! However, the kind of technology to machine tool granite appears evident the further back in history we go, but by the time 4th dynasty Egypt rolled around, even the so-called gods had lost much of their former grasp on technology. Also, even if the technology to tool granite blocks with such precision was still available in 4th dynasty Egypt, it's highly unlikely it would have been used. Human populations were such that by that time, undertaking anything as big as building or repairing the pyramids would have been observed by way too many people. Men wanting to preserve their status as gods would not likely have been willing to allow slaves and indentured servants see them using high tech tools of any sort. If the texts, particularly the Lugal-e, are correct, then in 4th dynasty Egypt there was already plenty of broken limestone laying at the base of a very, very damaged Great pyramid. It would have made absolute sense to have workers gather that broken rock and use it to pour man-made stones during the repair job.

In fact, in Davidovitz' book he shows close ups of some of the blocks that make up the courses at the very base of the structure. Some of those limestone blocks look like a mold was simply filled with large fist-sized chunks of broken limestone rubble and then a cement-like product poured over the top of them to hold the whole mess together; it really isn't even very good "cement work" by anyone's standards, but those blocks absolutely do look poured. I frankly can't for the life of me conceive of how blocks looking like those could have possibly been cut. Limestone deposits simply don't form that way.
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« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2007, 10:27:12 pm »

Hi KtCat
Thanks for posting that.  I find that in these writings, one thing can mean two things.  Like, it means what it says, but it also has an underlying meaning.  I mean, is a god going to stand there and beat on a chunk of rock, "flaying" it, and talking to it?  I think it's a way of expressing something, that for some reason, is an indirect approach.  "one who knows all about you pierce you with water"?  It's like hinting, that if you put water to limestone you can render it down and "punish" it!!!!  Lord knows what the poor rock did in it's past life to tick him off so bad!!!!  But it seems like everythin was written in such a way that it compliments or builds up, the "god", showing that his knowledge is so great and he's so wonderful. 

But the point is, limestone CAN be rendered into a slurry and become a product that can be molded.  I've no doubt the pyramid is older than we think, and I do agree, that there was a repair job going on in the ancient past. 
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« Reply #81 on: July 04, 2007, 10:32:43 pm »

Hi Bianca and KTCat
Thanks for your concern and prayers.  My husbands burns are healing well now.  There had been some infection, so I had to do dressings more often until we were sure it had cleared up.  There is new skin growing now, which is a healthy pink so I am grateful.  I have been gradually removing the skin that had burnt to a crisp, so that the medication can be applied to the underlying area. 

It is now haying season, and we cut the first field today, so will spread it out tomorrow, and likely bale it on Friday.  Busy time of year.  A couple of the neighbors want us to custom hay their fields too, but I don't know if we can handle all that.  It's quite hot here now, and the heat really gets to me.  I love driving the tractor as long as there is a nice breeze to keep things comfortable.

I do try to check in and see what's new and read a few articles, but don't have time to get into things in detail.
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« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2007, 12:42:01 pm »

We have 7 new Wonders of the World and I guess Zawi Hawass isn't liking it too much, since the pyramids were not included in the list to vote for.  The promoters of the event have given the pyramids an honorary  place as an 8th wonder.

After much public fanfare and 100 million votes, the world has seven new wonders to marvel at.

The Great Wall of China, Jordan's Petra and Brazil's statue of Christ the Redeemer were the first sites to be named in the international competition. The Taj Mahal in India, Peru's Machu Picchu, Rome's Colosseum and Mexico's Chichen Itza pyramid were named just a few hours later.

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« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2007, 08:03:02 pm »

Hi Qoais! I am so glad you are okay, I was worried about you. But as an old farmer's daughter myself, I sure understand that you've got to make hay while the sun shines!

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"I find that in these writings, one thing can mean two things.  Like, it means what it says, but it also has an underlying meaning.  I mean, is a god going to stand there and beat on a chunk of rock, "flaying" it, and talking to it?"

I so wish there was a full online translation of this the Lugal-e text, but there isn't, or at least I haven't been able to find one yet. And believe me, I had to buy a whole lot of books to even find a copy of it. The text is really totally bizaar. When Ninurta either destroys or packs off each of the stones he removes from the Pyramids' interior, he talks to each stone as if he were addressing an entire army of men. It's kind of spooky because many of the stones mentioned are the tribal stones that were part of the Breastplate of Aaron, and the same stones are mentioned in Revelations too. The text names a lot of different stones but not all them have been translated. We may never really know what some of those stones were. In the text, it's like each stone in some way may have been used to either issue commands or in somehow manipulate various armies of warriors. I am definitely under the impression that each of the stones he addresses in some way served a technical function.

The Lugal-e text describes Ninurta being in a "mountain", but the Sumerians called both pyramids and ziggurats by the word "Ekur", which meant "house which is piled up like a mountain." He specifically refers to the mountain by the name of "the Azag." The word "Azag" is often spelled "Asag" too, depending on who is doing the translating. Marduk's Babylonian temple was called the "E-sagila" which very likely could have also been translated "A-zagila" and since I am firmly convinced that Ra and Marduk were one and the same, the Azag may have referred to Ra's temple in Egypt, while the "Azagila" or "E-gagila" referred to his temple in Babylon. I looked and looked through piles of texts to find some other references to the word. Sitchin said "the Azag" was the Great Pyramid, in his book, Wars of Gods and Men, (pp.167-172) but you know me, I wanted to see some proof of that.

Finally, I did find some proof in a very, very strange online text by the name of "Necronomican…"

http://www.earth-history.com/Babylon/necronomicon.htm

"The demons of all the Abyss lay there
Dead but Dreaming, they clung to the walls
Of the House of Death
Faceless and terrible
The ANNUNAKI stared out
Blind and Mad AZAG-THOTH reared up
The Eye on the Throne opened
The Dark Waters stirred
The Gates of Lapis Lazuli glistened
In the darkness
Unseen Monsters
Spawned at the Dawn of Ages
Spawned in the Battle of MARDUK and TIAMAT
Spawned in HUBUR
With the Sign of HUBUR
Lead by KINGU . . ."


Azag-Thoth could only mean the "mountain house of Thoth" and Thoth was the head engineer of the Great Pyramid and Ra's second in command, according to a whole lot of Egyptian texts, so I guess Sitchin was right.



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« Reply #84 on: July 08, 2007, 11:27:50 pm »

It's kind of creepy isn't it KT? 
When I first read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, I got the impression that the bodies of these "gods" could stay in stasis while their minds went wandering off for years.  Dead, but dreaming.  Meaning the body was maybe in suspended animation, while the mind travelled.  We think that bodies would atrophy after a while, but with a few more years of research, who knows what scientists will develop?  Supposedly, food and other inanimate objects can be stored in a pyramid for thousands of years, and not age or rot.  However, for humans to try to live in one, they sicken and die.  Maybe that old pyramid was an age reversal machine that was generating some kind of vibration that counteracted the aging process. 
Altho you say the texts sound like he's addressing each stone, perhaps that's just the way the writers of the day, put things down to indicate how knowledgeable his "god" was, or maybe he was thinking out loud.  I do that sometimes, when I'm working out a problem, like maybe where to place the rocks in my rockery or whatever.  you know - like "now, you're going to go there, and you're going to fit there and fill that hole"  etc.  Talking to the rocks, but really, just thinking out loud.
I think I would agree with you that Ra and Marduk are the same person.  If they could clone themselves or as it seems obvious, keep re-generating themselves, these "gods" also lived a very long time.  Personally?  I'm glad they're gone!!!!
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« Reply #85 on: July 09, 2007, 12:21:38 pm »

Personally, I wouldn't attach so much spiritual significance to the real meaning behind these texts. It's important to remember that what we are translating today as ancient texts, probably originated in texts and stories that were written hundreds or even thousands of years before. The texts we have today were written by Bronze Age neophytes and scribes who were dealing with subject matter that originated ages before when the gods of a paleoancient civilization wielded a highly advanced system of technology that is obvious in both Vedic and Near Eastern texts. The guy who is dutifully copying the text down doesn't really have a clue what the original text is talking about. He can only transcribe that text by his own ability to understand what it means. As an analogy, one might compare it to how somebody in the 12th century A.D. would describe a working television. He would have probably seen a TV as a source of frightening magic where demons and gods floated across the screen.

The author of Necronomican writes…

"The demons of all the Abyss lay there
Dead but Dreaming, they clung to the walls
Of the House of Death
Faceless and terrible
The ANNUNAKI stared out…


Since this part of the text deals with "blind, mad Azag-Thoth" it is reasonable to conclude that the Great Pyramid was seen as a "House of Death," i.e. a weapon, albeit an ancient one, where the spirits of the Anunnaki still "clung to the walls", and these "spirits" are defined as "demons" because the guy writing the texts does not even begin to understand the technology that was employed in the Great Pyramid.

All he knows is that within the Great Pyramid strange things happened, and he recognizes those things as part of something that was placed there long ago by the Anunnaki, it's still working and functioning, and he does not understand the technology. He is describing it by religious terms and the belief system he has been taught, which is the only language he knew. Yet when we compare the information from many different texts with one another, it becomes more than apparent that "the house of death" is not describing the Great Pyramid as a tomb, but as something that was considered a powerful, frightening object that sent "demons" into the world. The "demons" appear to be the result of an advanced technology that the author doesn't even begin to understand. He just knows it is frightening and can make people die. He is describing a weapon.

If you read the whole online text, the passage goes on to say…

"In the darkness
Unseen Monsters
Spawned at the Dawn of Ages
Spawned in the Battle of MARDUK and TIAMAT
Spawned in HUBUR
With the Sign of HUBUR
Lead by KINGU"
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This passage speaks of the war between Marduk and Tiamat, led by Kingu, that is told of in the Babylonian Creation Text; the Enuma Elish.

It really can only be understood by comparing it with the Hurrian Creation texts, known as the "Kumarbi cycle" and those in turn have to be compared with passages found in the Egyptian Edfu texts. Only then does one even begin to see what happened. Kingu and Kumarbi are one and the same. The Anunnaki which originate in India from the well known Anu clan of the Vedic texts, decide they want to take over the Middle East and Egypt. At the time that area's ruling king is Apsu/Abzu Rishtu, who is called "Alalu" in the Hurrian texts. He is the oldest of all the gods (even the Babylonian texts tell us that) and Apsu is the father of Kumarbi/Kingu. From the Anunnaki side, Marduk's father, Nudimmod/Enki/Ea/Ptah kills Alalu/Abzu Rishtu by drugging him and then murdering him after he passes out. Tiamat, his wife and queen, flies into a rage. The Anunnaki from India are bent on taking over the land. She recognizes them as distant relatives, but there has obviously been a split and she, Apsu and Kingu represent a remote branch of that family that probably separated itself from India during the time that Kumari Kandam was submerged in an earlier flood. War breaks out and Tiamat appoints Apsu's son, Kingu/Kumarbi as the leader of the military. In a Hurrian text called "the Song of Ullikummi," Kumarbi/Kingu builds a "stone god" i.e. a pyramid to fight the Anunnaki invasion with, and from the story told in the Edfu texts, we may assume that ancient pyramid once stood upon the  Giza Plateau, then called the ancient "Rostau" of Egypt.

The Kumarbi cycle stories tell us that Kumarbi/Qingu was fighting "Tessub" who is actually one and the same with Baal in the Canaanite texts, Adad in the Sumerian texts and the "evil Seth" in the Egyptian texts. The implications here are that Baalbek, which would have dwarfed the Great Pyramid, was the Anunnaki stronghold in the Middle East, and was built as a weapon to battle against the first and oldest pyramid, "Ullikummi", that once stood at Giza long before the Great Pyramid was ever built. Now Baalbek and Baal/Adad are tied together as being the center of a weapon's system that was built to manipulate weather patterns. In fact, throughout every text about Baal-Adad that was his function. He manipulated weather. Both the Edfu and Babylonian texts tell us the war ended with a Great Flood, and there are no ifs and or buts about it in any of the texts, that flood was the result of high tech weather manipulation, and it is described as such. The flood and other weapons destroy "Ullikummi the stone god" i.e. the pyramid weapon that Kingu/Kumarbi once operated at Giza. We can also assume that the original structure that once stood at Baalbek was destroyed in that war as well.

Once the waters go down, the Anunnaki gods, specifically Ra/Marduk and his father, Nudimmud/Enki/Ea/Ptah take over the Giza plateau. Kingu/Kumarbi is captured, and the "Tablets of Destiny" which appear to be some sort of manual about Pyramid technology are wrested from him. The Anunnaki use that information to apparently construct the Great Pyramid-ley system, which was used as their main weapon of control from there on out. When populations obeyed the Anunnaki gods, they got good weather and enough rain for their crops to grow. When populations rebelled against the Anunnaki gods, they were punished with famines.

I repeat, the Great Pyramid was not described as a "House of Death" because somebody was buried there, it was called the "House of Death" because it was a weapon that could kill people.

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« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2007, 01:57:19 am »

Hi KTCat
I wonder then, if it was still working, if perhaps these images staring out were holographic?  It would seem to the locals that the faces were staring out, but there was no real body there that they could touch.  How wierd it would be for someone who didn't know the technology.  Maybe there was also some of those cystals that hold holographic images inside them.

So, in all your reading, did you ever find out what happened to these gods?  Is it maybe like the stories go, that they were getting fewer and bred with humans, and that's why we have the recessive gene buried somewhere, ready to pop out given the right circumstances?
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« Reply #87 on: July 10, 2007, 10:09:35 am »

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"I wonder then, if it was still working, if perhaps these images staring out were holographic?"

Yes, I think it is still working, at least to some extent. Just think about all the stories that were reported over the years by Pyramid researchers who spent any length of time within the structure. Almost all of them reported experiencing strange psychic phenomenon; a phenomenon that ultimately was capable of effecting their minds and thoughts. Many of them felt the "met the spirit of Horus" and went through some type of initiation while staying within the Pyramid. Pyramid researchers who never make it to Egypt are willing to be objective and look at all the data. But the ones who do make it to Egypt and spend considerable time in physical research usually seem to loose their perspective and nearly all of them start taking the same path of the earlier Heliopolitan priesthoods. If it's a type of holography then the pictures it paints do not appear on the walls of the pyramid itself, those pictures appear in the human mind.

I am of the opinion that has always been one of the primary functions of the Pyramid; to manipulate energy in such a way that said energy  could directly influence the human mind. And I think whatever that energy frequency is, it definitely gets sent down the ley lines. Every oracle temple in the Middle East and every old church or cathedral in Europe is built directly on those ley lines, and usually occupies a spot that  previously held a temple built to one pagan god or another. The leylines seem to represent an energy matrix that seems obviously set up to be controlled by the Great Pyramid, because all leylines really begin and end at Giza. Most of the men who lived in those supposedly "Christian" abbeys and Cathedrals in Europe were as intent on performing heinous acts of tyranny against human beings as any of the previous priesthoods dedicated to the ancient pagan gods were. Whatever that energy is or does, IMHO it seems to engender acts of war, manipulation, control and greed, as if the energy itself is capable of manipulating the men exposed to it.

If the Pyramid was not functioning, (and after all they did fix it with poured stones, didn't they?) then why would all the frantic and intense building on the leys have been undertaken? The Templars, the Rosicrucians and the Masons all primarily inherited the same building codes based upon gematria, (which has been around since Thoth) and the ancient pagan system of Magic Squares which ultimately goes all the way back to Enochian Magic. The Templars are rumored to have found all that information in the scrolls they recovered when they went back to the Temple mount in Jerusalem. And we absolutely know that the builder of Solomon's Temple, Hiram Abiff, is worshipped to this day by the Masons. So the Templars found something, and that information was given to the Rosicrucians and Masons, which at one time, were more or less the same group of people. All of these secret organizations continued building structures on the leys at a nearly frantic pace. And you see, it really doesn't matter much if someone declared the church "Christian" or not, if it was built according to the same old magic squares and gematria that the earlier pagan temples employed.

One can look at the picture of the gematria employed in the Lichfield Cathedral in England. (p. 149, View Over Atlantis, John Michell) This Gothic Cathedral is awesome to look at, but we can't get around the fact that its builders designed the whole thing around the Magic Square of Mars, and in the earlier Pagan systems, Mars represented the God of War. The very spot that particular Cathedral sits on was where nearly 1000 earlier Christians were killed, but those Christians weren't killed by pagans; they were killed because they disagreed with the dogmas and doctrines of the church. In later times Lichfield Cathedral played a major part in England's civil war in 1643.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichfield_Cathedral

What troubles me about the leys is that they are built according to a system that on one hand seems to employ the high tech manipulation of energy fields, but on the other hand that theoretically technical system seems to be coupled with something that literally employs magic. Now, I confess, magic is nothing I have really ever studied. I simply do not want to get involved in it, but I do know that the technology behind the Great Pyramid and the technology that built the entire tetrahedral grid of leylines seems to be a strange combination of the high technology that was ultimately inherited from the Aryan Vedic system in India, coupled with something that can only be defined as magic or sorcery. That magic was also ultimately inherited from the Aryan kings of India, i.e. the family of Anu, or the infamous "Anunnaki" of the Middle Eastern texts.

In his book, "Gods, Kings and Sages," the Vedic historian, David Frawley writes, "As kings and peoples fell from the earlier ages of light, so did the seer families. Their main fall consisted of in the practice of black magic or the negative use of the occult." (ibid p 143)
According to the Vedic texts, the Anu family was literally driven out of India into exile because of their practice of sorcery. Well, we know where they went; they went west of India and invaded the Middle East and Egypt. They murdered the ruling family, and divided the land up and gave each of the Anunnaki gods a territory. Those gods, who had access to precisely the same types of technology which included Vimanas, (UFOs) nuclear weapons and god only knows what else, also employed occult sorcery. 

Since the leylines and Great Pyramid were undoubtedly the province and inspiration of the Anunnaki gods, I think it's well within reason to question what sort of "magic" was employed in building the leylines and the Temples and Cathedrals that went on them. I think it is also reasonable that we ask ourselves what sort of magic went into the Pyramid. Oh the high tech stuff is more than evident; read any of Joseph P. Farrell's books on Giza and it will astound you. But even Farrell will admit that his scalar theories for Giza do not completely cover the whole gamut of principals that went into building Giza and the leylines. Here is a man whose knowledge of modern day physics is simply awesome, yet he too will tell people he is absolutely certain that the high technology so evident in the system was coupled with something "other" that can only be defined as sorcery.

Today, the Masons don't build many cathedrals and churches on the leylines any more. Does that mean they have stopped building structures designed to the old magic squares and gematria formulas they inherited? Oh no, don't kid yourselves, my friends. Today Masons build and design corporate office buildings and Government buildings.
They designed the architecture that literally covers Washington DC. So if you are among those who look at what is going on there today and see it as tyranny and evil of the worst kind, you might ask yourselves what do you expect when the entire Senate and all our political leaders are occupying a city and town that was literally built according to the principals found in Enochian magic? Does an unseen "evil" seem to pervade Washington these days? Well, I can't answer that question for you, but perhaps the following video will give you something to think about…


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3890630854823875477&q=washington+DC%2C+Illuminati&total=38&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
(a quickie 3 ½ minute film on Washington's leys


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4854686992345665111&q=Freemasons%2C+washington+DC%2C+architecture&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
( 2 hours, 35 minutes in depth study,  but well worth the time)









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« Reply #88 on: July 13, 2007, 12:18:30 am »

Thanks for the links KTCat.  I've watched the short one, but the longer one will have to wait until I get this car upholstered I think!

Please post more of your conclusions from your studying.  I am thoroughly enjoying your explanations.
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« Reply #89 on: June 25, 2008, 06:58:29 pm »

Copied from Plato's Atlantis-My Theory

Hi Peoples
I'm on overload right now so if I babble slap me up the side of the head 

Sometimes, I used to wonder why the GP was covered in brilliant white reflective stone, so brilliant it could be seen miles away.  Well, I ask, wouldn't that be rather blinding to the locals?  Poor buggers would have to always live trying to keep their backs to it.  I mean, if it was just a protective coating, why couldn't it have been in a darker color to reduce the glare?  When I first saw this picture, I thought the one fellow was wearing "goggles" similar to welding goggles of today or the wooden goggles Eskimos used to used in the past:




I mean, the detail is so extensive they even drew in the guys nipples for heaven's sake.  What is that thing around his eyes and in his ear?

Now B, don't give me trouble for not putting this in the pyramid thread.  I've been all over the world today and I'm bushed   See - my little tongue is hanging out.

SO - WHY was the pyramid coated this way?  Could it be because it WAS built by a highly developed society thousands of years BEFORE the date given for it's construction by orthodox Egyptology?  Could it be that it was an apparatus for altering a region in the eath's atmosphere, ionosphere or magnetosphere by reflecting the sun's rays straight back up causing these various levels of space that surround earth to become heated and to expand like bubbles and eventually bursting?

Remember how I got interested in reflecting mirrors and how they were used for signals?  I'm not sure how it all fits yet but if the sun's rays being reflected from the pyramid were again redirected with mirrors, it becomes a powerful energy source. 

A radio signal is a "sound" signal isn't it?  I've mentioned before that it looked to me like the pictures showing the Pharoahs sitting on a chair and talking into a tube/mirophone thingy was them using a public address system.  Well if they had that kind of sound system they could create a "sound signal" couldn't they?  Radio (sound) signals could also be bounced off things couldn't they?  So if you could direct an energy beam basically, by beaming a sound signal upward and reflecting that signal somewhere else, you'd fry the somewhere else.  Like when that dude, can't remember right now, supposedly stopped a fleet of ships from attacking by reflecting the sun's rays onto the burnable parts of the ships and catching them on fire, but on a much larger scale.  So large, it's mind boggling.

I read this article earlier and pictures of everything I've been studying for the last 2 years flooded my mind.  Going to have a nice cup of tea, maybe laced with something  and crash!  It's a long read, but it will boggle your brain - like it did mine - maybe.

http://www.viewzone.com/vz.message.html

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