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ATLANTISTE.COM RECENT NEWS also click this linkThe Atlantean Research Journal from 1948-1986 (annotated, but mostly original documents) Editors Pierce, and Edgerton Sykes mostly. These were partly published by Markham House Press, LTD., and registered with Stationers Hall. Which this is now the New Atlantean Research Journal Online Home. Disclaimer: The above is why this Web Site does not maintain that it is the owner of the material and why it will not publish the articles in full. It is respectfully to help the interests of those looking for rare information, or outdated as to the origin of theories on Atlantis. WARNING- the best person to contact first about printing the Sykes Material is Frances Walker contacted by email at fwalker@fsmail, and who represents have the sole reprint rights of Sykes work. Out of their kindness this site continues, which the articles already up cannot be added without their permission. We here at Atlantisite.com recognize their rights and kindness for what is available here. Therefore this Web Master does not claim rights or ownership of the material. The Web Master will only sell xerox copies of the material on a journal basis, but not till you have contacted Francis Walker directly first. The cost will not be very great if smaller inquires on journals. The shipping however makes it not worth it unless the order is more than 3 journals at a time. This site will never make copies to be sent with all journals for one said person at one time. That is respecting the copyright to those who control it to decide. If you want copies contact, runnymeade@aol.com. , Also, web master has right to decline order, especially if you do not contact Francis Walker first at fwalker@fsmail.net , or for other books and information about books

The New Atlantean Research Journal is an organ of the older 'Atlantis Research Center, and Atlantean Research Group or Journal'. This Web Master Dean Clarke has sole authority on anything new that comes from this journal after 1986. The re-founding of it and with Dean Clarke's New Atlantean Research Journal was after 1986 at around 1987, but did not put out material until present on line 2000 A.D.. Below the list of the dates and pages to have only partial excerpts of journals submitted online Atlantean Research Journal.

The information online is directly for educational purposes, bibliographies have not been included, inqury only. Articles below mostly only in part go from the first Atlantis Research Centre of Vol. 1, Number 1 of 1948 to Vol. 29, Number 2 of March 1976. It would be to numerous to list each vol. or number. So I give the reader from this above statement that Vol. 1 thru 29 are the range and that Francis Walker has the rights to them , outside of side comments I made independent of Egerton Sykes Journals. The reason I did not list each Journal number is mostly due to the lack of completeness of these works are not online and that they are mostly paraphrased. If you want a bibliography it is advised to contact Francis Walker at fwalker@fsmail.net Basically, the years of each Journal are listed to hint at what Volumes they were in. We do note Egerton Sykes the main inventor of this Atlantis Research Journal.

1948- 1949 Subjects Plato, Loc. of Atlantis , Basques, Atlantis Misc., Asteroids, Zodiac Epochs, etc.

1950 Subjects Atlantis Paradox of History, Ark&Moon, Orichalcum,Tiahuancao-Next Stage

1951-1953 Subjects Pillars &Duality of Hercules, Isle Serpent,Medusa,Isle of Amazon,Gypseys,Rh-

1954-1956 Subjects NanMatal-Ponape-Pacific,Atlantis Geological,DisasterMap,Lost Atlantis, Drift Theory,Canaries1796 report, Teneriffe underwater

1957-1959 Subjects Egyptian Myths,St.Michael Islands,Momentous Discoveries, Ivory Tusk homes,More of Dr.Zhirov, etc.

1960-1962 Subjects Atlantis & North Africa,Eritheia,& Tartessos,Letter Marcel Homet, Urals, Lemuria, Titans, flood stories

1963-1965 Subjects Atlantic-Pacific,WheelFullCircle,Telchines, and more

1966-1968 Subjects Caribbean before underwater Cuba site was found, Mars Craters, Thoth, etc.

1969-1971Subjects Site of Atlantis,Reversal of magnetic fields,Equestrian Statue-Azores, Atlantis and Caribbean, Churchward's Mu today, The reason Thera is wrong on Atlantis, Odd Happenings In Pyramid of Chephren, Giants in those days, etc.

1972-1974 Subjects 6th Century BC Maps, Letters from Donnelly,Agriculture Revolution, Art, Sign and Script, The Ice Ages, Cadiz Conference-Sykes and Maxine Asher, Neith as Tanith, M.Asher in Brighton, Cadiz-Bimini/Andros.

1975-1977 Subjects Sybilline Oracle,Tautha Cities,Bimini as Murias, Basques in America B. Fells review, Added Journal Articles end for now as of 1976 Grand Total online is 130-150 Articles reviewed.

1978-1980 Subjects

1981-1983 Subjects> Edgerton Sykes passes away 1983, Brighton, England, then A.R.E. Cayce expands

1984-1985Clarke's various connections years and conferances become more regular

1986-1992 Dean Clarke's Atlantean Research work in the off print years

1992-2000 Dean Clarkes Cultural Diffusion Work, and Internet Online 1998 start of Atlantean Research Jour.

The New Atlantean Research Journal is noted below

2001-2002 Atlantis France Flood Theory, D. Clarke

2003 Nordic-Egyptian Atlantis story compared 'Sigard's Worm'and Canary Island report of 1730 undersea erruption, D. Clarke

2004Happy New Year, Italy's Pyramid of Montevecche with links, Anonym. Letter from a reader of this site, and The Carthage-Berber Atlantis cont., D. Clarke

2004 New Italy Pyramid research in remote sensing by D. Clarke, Italy's Pyramid of Montevecche with The Carthage-Berber Atlantis cont., D. Clarke

New Atlantean Research Journal and Atlantis based Library on line as 'Organ of the Avalon Society'.

 
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008, 02:21:49 am »

Atlantean Research, and Atlantis from 1947-1987, or 50 years research in Brighton,Eng.

Edgerton Sykes was the Editor for most of the Articles. Dean R. Clarke has been the World Authority on the subject of Atlantis and curator of this very rare collection for over 30 years.

 

Journal discussions in 1949-

The importance of Hans Hoerbiger 1920's 'Moons, Myth, and Man' the cosmological disaster and the trapping of the our modern moon as a satellite, and the implication of other asteroid captures.

The earliest written mentioning of Noah's Ark by Berosus the Chaldean Priest in 475 B.C. about the Babylonian Flood story akin to Noah's own story. The person in his story who was escaping the flood was a Xisuthurus who opened the boat and found he was on the side of a mountian i.e. the land of Armenia which the ancient people of the Corcyaean Mountains made amulets from the Bitumen from the ark boat. In the past they turned these amulets into a Alexipharmic, or a form a braclet amulet. Ship is claimed to have landed on the Mountain of Nisar where a offering was given on the peak of the mountain. Manetho mentions in 300 B.C. that something like a Siriadic Columns were set up by the Sons of Seth. Here is his qoute:

"And lest their science should at any time be lost among men and what they had previously acquired should perish (inasmuch as Adam had acquainted them that a universal Aphanism, or destruction of all things, will take place, alternatively by the force of fire and the overwelming powers of water), they erected two columns, the one of brick, and the other of stone, and engraved upon each of them their discoveries, so that in the case the brick pillar was demolished by the waters, the stone pillar might survive to teach men".

Manetho's second reference is that after the deluge the anti-diluvian texts were put on the columns which were copied by Thoth (that is the first Hermes). He translated the text off the column of a sacred dialect and from Agathodaemon, son of the second Hermes, which in the Penetralia of the Temples of Egypt was from whence Manetho was able to extract material for his chronicle, deposited it. In his day Egypt had a lot of written material on the great Noahdic flood.

Greek versions of the Flood as noted by Apollodorus, Hellanicus, The Sibyline Oracle, and Pinder

All mention Deucalion and his wife, as well as how the Pyrrea ship grounded on the side of a mountain where their deliverance was commemorated by the two columns at the temple entrance at Hierapolis which may well be the Siriadic Columns once again.

Nicholas of Damascus who walked with Jesus mentions that the Mountain in question was called,

Baris above Minya in the land of Armenia. Baris means in some languages a 'ship', and the Armenians

According to Josephus called the area 'Nachidsheuan' and in the Himalayas southern peaks where another ship land was called to them 'Naubandhana' a very similar term to the Armenian counter part by name of Noah places of landing.

The origin of the mythological interpretation of Procession of the Zodiac effects on man's note of zodiacal ages in the book by Witold Balcer's 'Mystery of the Zodiac' as related to his unpublished works. This is the person who is a pre-cursor to 'Hamlet's Mill'.

 

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Platonic Miscellany, by Leslie Young

1949- annotated sections of Atlantean Research-Editor Edgerton Sykes

Plato spent a good portion of his life dedicated to the study of Atlantis till age 80, and Critias section of the story about Atlantis was not finished when Plato died. There was a third dialogue that was to involve a section called, Hemocrates. Lutoslawki in his 'The Origin and Growth of Plato's Logic'

Mentions that Timaeus and Critias were written near the same time as Plato's 'The Laws' which is known from the testimony of Diogenes Laertius to be one of the last works of Plato. Critias may have been a rough draft not fully polished according to A. E. Taylor. Plato makes clear the universality of the flood story by the Atlanteans invading foreign lands. In one of the last work by Plato is found a referance in the 'Politicus' which mentions a former world cycle described as the 'Age of Chronus'.

The strange cosmic phenomena that closed the former epoch are mentioned in the myth concerning

Atreus and Thyestes which are connected with the great complex of stories about Atlantis though fragmented. "Apart from the mention of a portent that is said to have marked the quarrel of these two greek heroes, described as the token of the birth of the golden lamb, it is also stated that the sun and the stars once rose in the west, and set in the east."

A statement in a subsequent paragraph mentions that cosmic changes were marked by a series of earthquakes and terrestrial upheavals, that quite possibly belong to the actual tradition. These are not statements of any fiction by Plato but recorded stories passed on to him by oral tradition. This is backed by a statement by Herodotus who found according to the 11,000 years of Egyptian historical recordings that:

'During this time it is asserted, "the sun had on four occasions, moved from his wonton course, twice rising where he now sets, and twice setting where he now rises. Egypt was in no degree affected by these changes……"'

 
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Basque Notes- P. Collignon Ph.D and Others

To find other Basque related sites look up 'Basque' Languages or its study on search engines.

1949-

A Colonel A. Brahine records that when he was in Guatemala he often heard about one Indian tribe living in the Peten District (Northern Guatemala) spoke a language resembling 'Basque'. He heard of an occasion that when a missionary preached in Peten that the Indians understood him in his idioms with great success. Also in the Tula region of Mexico there is a tribe called the Otomis that spoke with an old Japanese idiom. This Colonel concluded that they might be refugees from Atlantis since the Peten and the Otomis were a part of their westward expansion and went past them to the Polynesians and Malaysia and then settled in Japan. He also mentions he was present when a Russian Officer of the Georgian origin found himself able to talk to natives of Viscaya upon his arrival in Spain. He spoke Georgian and the Basques understood him. He goes on to say the region of Georgia Russia was once called 'Iveria' or 'Iberia'.

Note: From the web page author, Dean Clarke- I mentioned to the team Atlantis that what they found was evidence of this above possibility that what they found was a Basque like monument since in this article above mentioned a interesting note surfaced that Iokohama in Japan means in basque-"a seashore city".!! This was a name found on the mainland of the nearby Island this Team Atlantis found offshore the terraced port underwater!!

1948-

A Dr. Yoshitomi once quoted in a book by J. Fitzgerald Lee 'The Great Migration' from 'Japanese and Israelites' mentions his study on origin of the Basques, and Japanese and most athletic Jews. "Pavlino, the Spanish Basque boxer, who is a typical specimen of his race, might easily be mistaken for a Japanese wrestler…". Dr. Yoshitomi also draws attention to the similarities between the Japanese and Basque languages. Mousoko in Japanese and Moutiko in Basque means a young man. The masculine

Gender in Japanese is formed by the addition of 'asu', while in Basque it is 'asa'. The feminine in Japanese is formed by addition of 'me', and in Basque it is 'eme'. These are very striking facts. The Maya Ball game is very simaler to the Basque game called 'Pelota'.

Elephants in America-

Elephant art in Central America very likened to Cambodian depiction's of ancient Cambodia Art. The stone in question is Stela B(2) from Copan in Central America. Indian Elephants are implied not African. John L. Stephans in 1842 in this region mentioned the carving looks as if it was made by a man who never saw a elephant before but who had some drawing or picture he used that was close to its description picture wise to copy. Plato mentions there was elephants in Atlantis and other animals, and also in Bagota, Columbia there a 'field of giants' of mammoth bones, which an extensive plain is covered with. It is also noted that the calendar used in Mexico has some likeness to the calendars used in Tibet based on the numerical counting system of the days.

Separate from this article is one from a Rene Malaise called 'Atlantis: The Atlantic Continent and its Submersion'. In this article the evidence from core drilling in the Atlantic proved that the most of the Mid Atlantic Ridge was once above water during the recent Ice Ages. Also, in a separate article Malaise goes on to say the canary islands are an ancient archipelago that was above water and once connected from Africa to the Mid Atlantic Ridge. The other point is that Atlantis central island sank at around Wurm Glacial period or 25,000-30,000 B.C.. A different article by a Capt. H. P. C. Andersen mentions concrete found of the coast of Cape Verde Islands in 1929 who brought up from the small harbor on the north western side of Boavista Island. They claimed the whole bottom of this harbor was as flat as a pancake and looked like it was man made. The depth in harbor is only 24 feet where they found this plateau.

 

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Atlantis: The Location of Atlantean Remains, C.C. M. Hardy

1948-

Although the Azore Islands have been indicated as the resting mountain of Atlantis not much finds have been found at that location outside of Egyptian, or Carthage monuments. The earth was washed clean was the theory of this article. If the water of the ocean receded to the poles and came back to the center of the Atlantic the back draw effect, and the forward rush effect would have spread debris for thousands of miles in opposite directions. This would explain the deposit of debris not at the mountian tops, or much above the upper ridge shelf but sent to the trenches and some of the deepest parts of the ocean to settle at some valley bottom. With the volcanic activity much of the debris sent in the lower portions of the mountains would be covered with mud and pumice on a large scale. Off the Azores the mud was found to be by volcanic origin 30-50 deep under the Azores bays. The water whirling around eventually the density of objects will rest in a certain order in the center of a bucket. This location implied is the Nare's Deep at the center of the Atlantic Bucket where Atlantis material will be found 22,000 Feet down and buried under several hundred feet of mud. The New World or America's H.S. Bellamy felt held the clues that Spain and Egypt may in a weak sense provide i.e. Cuicuilco is the sight

That he felt was maybe an Atlantean Colony. The story Plato gives is that the Atlanteans fought a battle in Greece on their own soil. The soldiers that perished may still be buried underwater near this region. Close to the entrance to Piraeus is a small rocky Islet called, Atalanta by the ancients and called today Talanto. In a Fjord of Euboea there is an Island called Atalanta by the ancients and the locals call Talandosi. On the mainland of Euboea a village by the ancients called Atalanta, and locals Talanti. Bellamy felt near these spots is the Atlantean remains.

In Literary Monologue- the editor P. I. Pearce mentions in the Azores a Cro-Magnon Skull, rock inscriptions, several caves, an 800 meter tunnel all of which needed to be explored for possible information. Also, the two Phoenician coins found and the equestrian statue of a figure on a horse-pointing north at the Azores before the first modern European explorers

arrived there.

Sunken Lands near the Azores- Capt. R. Dahl

Between the Foyal, Azores and Abaco half two tree quarters of the way across while he was looking at the ships propellers he was lying flat on the deck looking at the sea waters. The sun was high and sea was calm he could see deep down in the water. He spotted while drifting along a large flat area and then several more patches some large and small were sighted under the surface of the ocean. He noticed the ocean bed there was only 90-100 meters deep down. The area was not known to the Hydrographic Institute to have been sightable from the surface. This is as if the land had rose overnight?

In Atlantis Und Atlantik by Hans Pettersson 1948

This book mentions that if a 4,000 feet drop of the Atlantic Ocean would produce three land masses in the center. The first a peninsular stretching southwards from the land bridge connecting Canada and Britian via Greenland of which the peaks of this are the Azores.

The second is a relatively small Island centered around what is now the St. Paul Islands.

The third and largest stretching as far south as the Falklands and having Tristan da Cunha

as its main peak. At the same time the present Caribbean Sea was an inland Lake, and the Mediterranean was separated by the Atlantic by a strip of land 100 miles wide.

 

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An Asteriod as the Possible Cause of the Atlantis Catastrophe,

By Prof. N. Boneff (a summary)

1949- Research Mag.-Boneff was a chair of Astronomy at U. of Sofia.

"The present essay will endeavor to show that even the catastrophe of Atlantis could well have been due to extra territorial causes. We have naturally supposed that the Atlantis Myth is not totally without historical basis"

The basic source of the writings of Plato's Timaeus and the Critias on Atlantis. It appears Aristotle did not believe it, while Posidonius felt Plato's story could be based on facts. The tradition may be not based on ficiton for the Egyptian Priests interrogated by Solon having certified to him of an Island that formerly had this name of Atlantis existed. Modern writers Astronomer Bailey, and Termier the geologist considered Atlantis beyond and to the west of the Columns of Hercules.

Deep Lonigtudinal ditches border the east and west coasts of the Atlantic as if a vast sinking had taken place. The Azores, Maderia, Canary, and Cape Verde Islands of which a continental fauna origin being simaler to Antillia and Senegal coast, are now believed to be vestiges of Atlantis.

The manifestation of myths near events like the Atlantis one can be summarized similar to the Arizona crater's Indian myth. A iron meteor fell 5,000-6,000 years ago or more and the Indians called it the

'God of Fire' (not for volcano reasons) who came a long time ago from heaven i.e. sky. Story of Sodom and Gomorrah a similar story in that the town was destroyed by some meteor like the one that fell in Siberia on 30th of June 1908 or February 13th 1917.

The story of Phaethon who harnessed his father's chariot driving it to earth burned up in flames, as a meteor would do.

The physical cause would lie in the loss of Atlantis noted by Plato as an extra territorial cause. It has always seemed strange that a catastrophe should result in earthquakes, and we ourselves (Boneff) that the cause was the tidal theory of Mach, due to the close passage of one of the larger asteroids which may have even brushed the earth as it passed. Assuming Ceres passed the earth six times the radius of the earth, its influence would be ten times that of the moon as it is now. Boneff believed this passing of the Ceres Asteroid would account for the level of destruction on Atlantis just by a bare collision, or just missing earth. It is an interesting note that there is at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean a longitudinal ridge called the Dolphin Ridge in the shape on an 'S'. The water on top is 500 meters deep, as compared with 4,000 on either side. This may constitute the path of the debris left from its path in the form of mud thrown up and mountains leveled.

Hoerbiger update message from Web master, this theory first in his cosmic ice theories 1908.

 
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Zodiacal Epochs, By Prof. Michael Kamienski, U. of Krakow
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1949- Research Mag.-

"1. The problem of fixing the limits of the Zodiacal Epochs, i.e. of those periods, during which the Vernal Point passes through a given constellation, is-from the astronomical point of view-to some extent indefinite. It arises from the fact, which the exact borders of constellations cannot be properly fixed. They enter one into another, so that there is no exact criterion with which one could decide as to the bordering stars, especially faint ones, if they belong to the given neighboring constellations. Moreover, some of them, e.g. Capricorn and Aquarius, are situated along the ecliptic in such a manner, that some of their parts extend parallel one to another and to the ecliptic, which makes the solution of the above problem even more difficult. Consequently, there is no wonder, that the beginnings and ends of the Zodiacal Epochs by a thousand years or even more, as given by several authors." Here is the age of

Pisces as an example by three authors:

C. Flammarion … Pisces … 128 BC- 2,032 AD

A. Jeremias … Pisces … 100 AD- 3,000 AD

R. Steiner … Pisces …1,430 AD- 3575 AD

"For the solving of the problem it would be perhaps suitable to ground on the constellation' borders fixed by Hipparches and to accept them as unequal (A. Jeremais). "Noting of course other cultural explanations outside of this outline. He goes onto to say for his points that in adoption of the main epoch or the moment of entrance of the vernal point into the constellation of Taurus, and between the stars in Gemini eta Geminorum and dzeta Tauri. This star is situated on the end of the southern horn of Tauris. The entrance occurred at 4,500 B.C. at the Vernal Point.

"3. In consequence of the Phenomenon of precession, which has its source in the gravitational action of the Sun and Moon on the equatorial convexity of the earth, the position of the Vernal Point-i.e. on of the points of intersection of the celestial equator with the ecliptic-is not unalterable. It moves from East to West, from left to right, projecting itself in front of different constellations. The motion is very slow, because its period lasts about 26,000 years." He goes onto to say at 4,500 B.C. Vernal Point had just passed from Gemini into Taurus at 4,500 BC. This is a pre-cursor to Hamlet's Mill book.

Also, the zodiacs have different lengths of their constellations for instance Taurus is 20 degrees extended while Virgo is 36 degrees extended. He then mentions the Zodiac signs do not depend on their constellations but more their background for the 26,000 years . 26,000 : 12 = 2,150 years

Arc of the Ecliptic Sign Era

300-330 degree Aquarius 1,950 ad - 4,100 ad

330-360 ---- Pisces 200 bc - 1,950 ad

0'- 30' ------ Aries 2,350 bc- 200 bc

30'- 60' ------- Taurus 4,500 bc - 2,350 bc

60'- 90' ------- Gemini 6,650 bc - 4,500 bc

90'- 120' ------- Cancer 8,800 bc - 6,650 bc

120' -150' ------- Leo 10,950 bc - 8,800 bc Last destruction of Atlantis

150'- 180' ------ Virgo 13,100 bc - 10,950 bc Sphinx Period

180' - 210' ------- Libra 15,250 bc - 13,100 bc Phoenix Period(2nd Destruction

210' - 240' ------- Scorpio 17,400 bc - 15,250 bc Pyramid builders (archaic)

240'- 270' ------- Sagittarius 19,550 bc - 17,400 bc

270' - 300' ------ Capricorn 21,700 bc - 19,550 bc 'Golden Age' of Atlantis

40,000 bc (First destruction prior)

Conclusion by Web Master Age of Aquarius has either begun, or is within the next 230 years after 1950

Roughly at- 2,070 A.D. - it can be well officially heralded as the Age of Aquarius which I will probably not be alive to see. Hopefully this web page will be here. Thus, it is very likely at 2,001 A.D. that this is still the Age of Pisces. Web Masters view the next major peace maker avatar will not be born till after 2,060 B.C. . In a sense the earth changes have to occur first before that individuals entrance unto man.

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Mexican Deluge Legends, By C. A. Burland (a summary)

1949- Research Mag.-

The Collection of Mendoza, in Oxford, remains our most important source of Mexican histories, it is not only the one, there are two other painted documents for the Spainards which give historical annals which compare with Mendoza.

One is in Paris- Belonged to Arch. Bishop Teller, or Rheims, and is named Codex Telleriano-Remensis.

The other is in the Vatican Library called, Codex Rios

Telleriano has been annotated in Spanish by three different persons, and Rios a commentary in Italian.

They are copies of an original lost in the 1600's, which the better painted is Telleriano, but is still inferior to Rios because many pages are missing. Particularly important the pages about religion and mythology.

In the field of Mexican belief the Rios is the most important source of information. Like the Migaliabecciano document it gives the description of feasts and gods assigned with them.

The description includes the magical Tonalpohualli 260 day calendar, recording nine major gods of the underworlds which influence the fortunes ascribed each particular day. Rios instead gives the full description between the mumbo jumbo magic and is used to determine the identity of the same system where it appears in more ancient magic books. Example:

God Tezcatlipoca in the form of Chalchiutotolin, Jeweled Turkey, is shown as the loard of the period beginning with Ce Atl. The Italian description mentions a detail missing in the painting, but precisely this missing detail appears in the Codex Vaticanus, 3773, where the same god presiding over the same period of days has been painted on a codex which is older than the Spanish invasion. The parallelism of the text is painted by the copyist of Rios and the ancient Mexican tlacuilos, who painted three surviving magic books, is equally complete over the whole 20 periods of 13 days in a year. It is evidence we are in pretty safe ground accepting the Codex of Rios, especially as it is borne out in many particulars by the writing of that most painstaking of anthropologist, Father Sahagun. Kingsborough published Codex Rios in his volumes 1831 and the Duc De Loubat published it in a fascimile, in 1900. Its official title is Manoscritto Messicano Vaticano, 3738. That it should rest in the Vatican is the most appropriate as it records one of the starngest heathendoms ever tackled by missionaries, and the one with the most remarkable parallel with Christian belief. In it is the Mexican version of the creation it includes a flood story of this amoung the account of the three past and one future destruction's of the world. Here is a brief account:

"In the beginning was God, Ome Teuctli (The Two) living in the highest place: beneath him were thirteen heavens, the earth and the nine places beneath the earth. The first creation was of the four spirit beings who were cast down from the heaven. They were the 'Tzitzimitl', darting arrow demon, a falling star: Izpaztec, lame hopping demon, a kind of Mexican Asmodeus; Nextepehua, the disperser, who would scatter men like ashes, and Tzontemon, the demon who was cast down upon his head."

A later creation brought the first human beings, they were named Cipactonal and Xumio, and from them a powerful race of giants descended. When death overtook the human race the grown ups went into the place below, and , after passing through many torments reached a peaceful resting place in Mictlan: but souls of unweaned children went to a special place for their kind alone, where there was a wonderful tree which nourished them with its milk. There they remained, happy babies waiting to welcome the destruction of the old creation, when they would become the souls of the next race of people. They had to wait 4,008 years until the gods, dissatisfied with the giants, drowned the earth. All the in it people were turned to fishes, except two who escaped by hiding in an ahuehuete tree. This catastrophe happened on the day ten, or Atl (webmaster mentions i.e. A-T-L='Water, High Water').

At length the earth emerged from the flood, and once more a new race spread over it, this time for a space of 4,010 years, until on the day Ce Itzcuintli there came a great wind from the heaven which destroyed men and trees. The men were changed into monkeys. Jaguars from the darkened sky ate them up, but two people escaped this destruction hiding in a stone. Once again humanity was put on

Trial; the descendants of the stone men did quite well and lasted 4,801 years, and then again destruction came, this time by fire, and once more two people escaped by boat on the waters. For the forth time the human race spread around, this time they were people like ourselves and earth was filled with joy and beauty and pleasure. Zochiquetzal, Lady precious Flower, the goddess of sensual pleasures was the reigning influence in this happy time. But the story goes that the god Quetzalcoatl was born towards its end from a virgin who swept the temples (in the picture she is shown as a cruel stone knife). (Webmaster mentions it is a 'Tches' or 'Flint Knife' in Egyptian connected with Uatches=Isis dated July 7th 2001 as first discovered by Dean Clarke sole finder of this information added).

The rest of the story goes on (as if Quetzal was fighting with an Egyptian Set, or Seth for his kingdom

And was set up by the demon Tezcatlipoca to be intoxicated with a drink and go to bed with a prostitute named Xochiquetzal and forced Quetzal to leave his country and the Priests of Cholula who received as a gift two of Quetzal's jewelry and insignia). He sailed on a raft of serpent skins and said that he would one day return in the year Ome Acatl to displace demon Tezcatlipoca and bring back happiness. As his raft burnt up approaching the sun his heart flew and went to heaven to become a mornign star. That is how evil entered into the world. At last it will come a day named Naui Ollin

When the earth will destroy the world for a fourth time, nor is it known if it will be given a fifth chance?

Outside of Codexs they were validated when restoring a ancient city Chichen Itza by the Mexican Government and the Carnegie Inst. Of Washington, a building known as the 'Temple of Walls' had representations of the destruction of the world by wind, devouring monkey men by jaguars, carved in a way very close to the picture codex of Rios. The Toltec Temple was 500 years before the codex was painted. This shows a good example of the literary and monument connections still somewhat preserved between the two that the Spanish did partly chronicle.

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Atlantean Research Journal, and Atlantis from 1947-1987, or 50 years research in Brighton,Eng.

Edgerton Sykes was the Editor for most of the Articles. Dean R. Clarke has been the World Authority on the subject of Atlantis and curator of this very rare collection for over 30 years.

 

Journal discussions in 1950- The Hoerbiger Theory was discussed further, and the dating of ancient timbers and bones by radio carbon dating when it was fairly new. The Avalon Group discussed the similarity of the Earth Lodges of Celtic and Manden Indians with the Egypt Mastaba false pyramid idea as possibly Atlantean construction origin. Ark and the Moon Capture theory about the Ark and the Moon as symbolic of mans escape of Atlantis and the asteroid that might have been the moon as captured or a comet nearly hitting earth.

Atlantis the Paradox of History, By Continenza Angelo

"The dawn of history reveals a humanity already civilized-perhaps a civilization already old. The curtain rises on a play already begun, and shows the truth of the paradox that there was a history before history". This quotation, not from the Sybil or Delphic Oracle, but from Aldo Valori contains the kenote of our researches. Dietz considers that our present geological age started some 25,000 years ago with the end of the fourth Ice Age, while Barbagallo considers that it was during the Ice Age that humanity first appeared on the earth, at the end of the tertiary or the beginning of the quarternary, at the time according to Wendel Philips the Tethys Sea spread from the Atlantic to the Arabian Peninsular. From the above it would appear that those parts of Europe which were not coated with ice were at that time under the Tethys Sea. But if that were the case, how can one explain the remarkable cave paintings found in Central and Southern France and Spain, together with statuettes and other remains. Allowing for the fact that art is not improvised, in fact a school in which to prefect itself in line of colour and impression, one is forced to admit that "This art reached Europe in an already perfect form, having been evolved in a land of which we know nothing."

Dietz considers that the skeletons found on the Canaries were of the Cro Magnon type, the same type as those of the producers of the art referred above, which would seem to indicate that they escaped there from the deluge. Could this be the answer to our enigma.

Plato in his dialogues showed himself to be well informed as an historian and as a geographer, and without his interest nothing tangible would have survived of the story of Atlantis, of which memories must have been extant even in his day. When Homer wrote of "Odysseus languishing in the misery on an Island, in the clutches of the Nymph Calypso" that "remote Island of Ogygia" where "from four separate but adjoining springs, four crystal rivulets ran" he must have been thinking of Atlantis, while "Scherie the rich country of the Phaeaceans" must have been another aspect of this civilization, as was also the violence of the Island of the Cyclops.

Hesiod spoke of Atlantis, as did Euripides, Diodorus Siculus and Seneca; and Pliny says memories of Atlantis occur in the Labours of Hercules; Virgil comments on the Atlantean Culture in the Georgics, Herodotus mentions it frequently; Pherecydes says "The people who lived near Mount Atlas said that they were descended from those who had accompanied Hercules on his travels. Among the Modern writers, it suffices to quote Latreille, Mentelle, Tournefort, Rudbeck, Bory de St. Vincent, Russo, Humboldt, Sykes, Savorin, Bayer.

Stories of the deluge are to be found in the Sagas, the Eddas, the Puranas, in the memories of the Algonquins, the Aztecs, the Incas, the Mayas, and the Toltecs, in the same manner as the Babylonians, the Hebrews, the Egyptians, the Chinese, in fact all the peoples of antiquity who have legends of the Garden of Eden, the Terrestrial Paradise, and of Atlantis. Underlying all this is the fact that language, tradition, monuments, of all the ancient civilisations have an underlying similarity which seems to prove conclusively their origin from a single source, and in addition they all start their histories with an account of some kind of deluge, although some, such as the Vedic and the Babylonian have a pre deluge stories. In Genesis is realted the story of the Garden of Eden with four rivers which we have already encountered on Calypso's Isle and in the Hesperides. The fact that two of them: Tigras and Euphrates, are in the Fertile Crescent, may be explained by the desire of the Noachic survivors of the Deluge to recreate their lost homeland as far as possible. From the many Deluge Legends of Greece, Mauritania, india, the Americas, the Middle East, it seems that when the time of peril preceding the loss of Atlantis set in, many warned by their gods, by dreams or by animals, built their ships of refuge, and when the seas scattered their ships far and wide each one would believe that his party was the only one saved. We have shown that the legends of the various elysiums of the past can only have referred to Atlantis, and it now only remains to establish where it was situated. It would appear to have been shaped like a triangle between the azores, the cape Verde islands, and the Bermudas. This was the site of the land which formed the object of the writings of Solon so many great ones of the past, leading to the dozens of authorities today.

-above is a shortened transcript of Signor Angelo's paper from Italian-

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Atlantean Research Journal, and Atlantis from 1950 cont.
The Labours of Hercules, By Edgerton Sykes

Sykes mentions the "Head of Medusa" he observed a series of classical myths about the "Labours of Hercules" which referred to the military activities of the first Hellenic sttlers on the mainland of Southern Greece. Sykes then establishes that these stories cover the conquest of a large portion of the Greek Mainland, and invasions of Crete, Spain, North Africa, and the Canaries. Hercules is the roman form from the Greek Heracles who was the Prince of Tiryns, a fortified merchant city and port, situated in the land of Argolis. His overlord was a certain

Eurystheus of Argos, the capital city of Argolis, and it was under his flag his long campaign was fought. Heracles means a "gift of Hera' one of the old pre-Hellenic mother goddesses, and is an ironic reflection on it that he spent the whole of the Labours, in order to wipe out all trace of the influence of Hera in the Middle Seas. In listing the order of the campaigns, I have altered the usual sequence of several of the Labours, in order to fit them into the picture. They are as follows:

1. The Lion of Nemea, in Argolis

2. The Hydra, in Argolis

3. The Birds of Stymphalos, in Arcadia

4. The Hind of Ceryneia, in Argolis

5. The Boar of Erymanthus, in Elis

6. The Stables of Augeas, in Elis

7. The Minotaur, in Crete

8. The Mares of Diomedes, in Thrace

9. The Oxen of Geryon, in Erythia

10. The Girdle of the Amazons, in West Lybia

11. The Apples of the Hesperides, in the Canaries

12. The Hell Hound, Cerberus

There were also certain subsidiary campaigns, as below:-

a. King Orchemenos, in Argolis (Before Labour 1)

b. King Neleus, in Pylos (Between Labour 6 and 7)

c. King Achelous, in Echinades (Between Labours 6 and 7)

d. King Laodemon, in Troy (Between Labours 8 and 9)

It is of interest to note that of the various clans who were mythologiaclly related to Chrysaor and Callirhoe, no fewer than eight were liquidated by Hercules: Cerberus, Charybdis, the Eagle of Prometheus, Hydra, Laidon, the Lion of Nemea, Orthus, and Scylla. The Chimeria was killed by Bellerphon (Bootes), the Dragon of Colchis by Cadmus or Jason (Argo), the Gorgons and the Graiae by Perseus, and the Sphinx of Oedipus. The events to which we are referring seem to have taken place between the third and second millennium before Christ. At this time, the Hellenic settlers, who had been living in comparative amity with the previous sea borne civilization with its goddesses and gods, decided that the time had come to abolish all trace of them. One day it might be possible to sort out the various threads in the Greek myth, the possibility that Zeus was originally a mother goddess being a typical example. However, for the moment, we are concerned with the desperate battle for existance being put up by the adherants of Poseidon, Neerus (Chief of the Neerids), Atlas and Hera. That the various mythological monsters: cuttle fish, dragons, serpents, lions, boars, birds, etc., were clan totems of the Poseidon worshippers seems farily evident. There also exists a possibilty thatt their spiritual center was the Echirades Islands, off the East Coast of Ithaca, where lived Achelous the King of the Sirens, who was defeated by Hercules in one of his earlier campaigns. This Achelous comes into the picture in one or more of the stories. Tiryns, the fortified city with cyclopean walls from which all expeditions started, was founded between 2,000 and 3,000 B.C., shortly before these happenings, and was rediscovered by Henry Schliemann towards the end of this last century. Because of these military campaigns old chieftains were forced out onto remote Islands in exile as well as their old religions this was similar to what the Spaniards did later in Mexico to the Aztec. Before returning to Tiryns, Hercules had been a commander of the ruler of Thebes, during which time he broke up a minor tribe living at mount Cithaeron, captured a sisterhood of fifty priestesses, who were, presumably, raped and or murdered, and finally killed by King Orchemenos, ruler of a town some thirty miles from Tiryns, with whom the Thebans were involved in a dispute. It was this last episode that brought his military capacities to the attention of the Argive King, Eurystheus, by whom he appointed commander and chief of the forces of Argolis and made the Prince of Tiryns. This may have been more attractive than the lordship of the then tiny City of Megera-some twenty miles west of Athens-which had been offered him by Creon the King of Thebes in reward for his services.

Sykes goes on about the listing of the Labours which we stop here for now.

 
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Dear Carolyn Silver,

Thank you for posting this material! I also found useful information about my Country...

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A different article by a Capt. H. P. C. Andersen mentions concrete found of the coast of Cape Verde Islands in 1929 who brought up from the small harbor on the north western side of Boavista Island. They claimed the whole bottom of this harbor was as flat as a pancake and looked like it was man made. The depth in harbor is only 24 feet where they found this plateau.

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Deep Lonigtudinal ditches border the east and west coasts of the Atlantic as if a vast sinking had taken place. The Azores, Maderia, Canary, and Cape Verde Islands of which a continental fauna origin being simaler to Antillia and Senegal coast, are now believed to be vestiges of Atlantis.

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We have shown that the legends of the various elysiums of the past can only have referred to Atlantis, and it now only remains to establish where it was situated. It would appear to have been shaped like a triangle between the azores, the Cape Verde islands, and the Bermudas. This was the site of the land which formed the object of the writings of Solon so many great ones of the past, leading to the dozens of authorities today.


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The Cabo Verde Plateau is an intriguing element in the Southeastern Atlantic. It (Plateau) must have moved as a single body to the actual position because the configuration remained the same as Greenland's Southern part. You can even predict which are the highest Islands (Volcanic origin) and the flat ones (sedimentary).

Interestingly, it seems that earlier theories were more adequate than later ones. I guess people just had to dig in other places later on for there was nothing in the Atlantic to see. Once again, keep up the good work!

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2008, 12:34:04 am »

Hey Mario!

There IS a lot of good info in the Skyes material.  I don't know why you aren't more interested in checking on CAPE VERDE's connection with Atlantis!

Have you ever found any old artifacts there?
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Hi Carolyn Silver,

I have been looking for similar Geomorphology between the Islands of Cabo Verde and Iceland/Greenland, actually i have quite a few aerial photographic details  (sponsored by WWF ) of some of the Islands. Why Greenland / Iceland weren't considered a part of the Macaronesia?

At this point i am not sure anymore if Cape Verde Islands are remnants of the last "break up", when Atlantis disappeared or if they are vestiges of the initial Pangea Continental split up, because in a certain way they could have been both.

I haven't found any artifacts, nor am i looking for any because if it was a part of the huge Island, it would have been the very Southerner "tip" and i understand that all Civilization that existed there lived far away from this specific spot where the islands split.

The Cape Verde Islands have a Terrestrial Surface of about 4000 km2 and it would be a waste of time to look for anything Man made in such a small area when you have plenty of material for grabs further North :-)

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Atlantean Research Journal, and Atlantis from 1950 cont.
The Labours of Hercules, By Edgerton Sykes
Sykes mentions the "Head of Medusa" he observed a series of classical myths about the "Labours of Hercules"the Greek Heracles who was the Prince of Tiryns, a fortified  city , situated in the land of Argolis. His overlord was a certain
Eurystheus of Argos,
1. The Lion of Nemea, in Argolis 2. The Hydra, in Argolis 3. The Birds of Stymphalos, in Arcadia
4. The Hind of Ceryneia, in Argolis  5. The Boar of Erymanthus, in Elis  6. The Stables of Augeas, in Elis
7. The Minotaur, in Crete  8. The Mares of Diomedes, in Thrace 9. The Oxen of Geryon, in Erythia
10. The Girdle of the Amazons, in West Lybia 11. The Apples of the Hesperides, in the Canaries 12. The Hell Hound, Cerberus
There were also certain subsidiary campaigns, as below:-

a. King Orchemenos, in Argolis (Before Labour 1)   b. King Neleus, in Pylos (Between Labour 6 and 7)
c. King Achelous, in Echinades (Between Labours 6 and 7)   d. King Laodemon, in Troy (Between Labours 8 and 9)
 related to Chrysaor and Callirhoe,  eight were liquidated by Hercules: Cerberus, Charybdis, the Eagle of Prometheus, Hydra, Laidon, the Lion of Nemea, Orthus, and Scylla. The Chimeria was killed by Bellerphon (Bootes), the Dragon of Colchis by Cadmus or Jason (Argo), the Gorgons and the Graiae by Perseus, and the Sphinx of Oedipus. adherants of Poseidon,
 Nereus (Chief of the Nerids), Atlas and Hera. That the various mythological monsters: cuttle fish, dragons, serpents, lions, boars, birds, etc., center was the Echinades Islands, off the East Coast of Ithaca, where lived Achelous the King of the Sirens, who was defeated by Hercules in one of his earlier campaigns. Cithaeron,  Argive King, Eurystheus, by whom he appointed commander and chief of the forces of Argolis and made the Prince of Tiryns. This may be more attractive than City of Megera-west of Athens-which had been offered him by Creon King of Thebes in reward for services. we stop here for now.http://geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/2583/hercules.htm

Dear CAROLYNE SILVER,

in " BlueHue's theory, all Hercules Labours were preformed in (South) ARABY and
All 'monsters' by name: Boars, Deers/Stag-Hinde, lions, Watersnakes,  etc. were actually( demonized)Elephants.
Since these were made taboe ( by King Salmanassr-3 of Assur in: 855 bc.)

EDEN/ ADEN -EUDAIMON,  became demonized as DEMONS,
it was forbidden on Death-penalty to picture them but Myth was full of Elephants now iconologically condemned!
so the Artists used a subterfuse and replaced the Words Elephants/ Elephant Bull by " BOVINE Bull "
Later artists and writers did not know of this action and forgot it

HERACLES was actually King Horemheb and TYRINS was TSUR in Oman.
Euristheus was his halfbrother called Amenhoteb-4/ Ach-en-Aton. and
the greatest Fiend of hHeracles: GERYONES, was King Salmanassser-3.
In the Hindu-pantheon there came a NEW GOD in 855 called SHIVA the Elephantkiller
THIS was noneothere than King Salmanasser usurping the place of RUDRA
and his white Elephant AIR- a - WATAR

But all mainstream Atylantologist ignor this part of Atantis history

Plato's Atlantis is a Latin wrong translation of Ad- Land
( itself a wrong translation of ATHETA- Land.) Thank you for reading  Cry Shocked Cry  dd 25 Aug 2008
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 10:38:10 am »

Hey Mario!
There IS a lot of good info in the Skyes material.  I don't know why you aren't more interested in checking on CAPE VERDE's connection with Atlantis!
Have you ever found any old artifacts there?

PEOPLE could not recognize Atlantis artefacts when they saw them!
the socalled hittite artefacts from Bogazkoy where brought there by
New-Babylonian King NABONID ( in his guise as:Tudhalliyas-4)
in 550 bc directly from the Temple of

POSEIDON at ras ADEN- Crater these Stone slabs show Egyptian rites
in Assyrian attire: an assyrian mother suckling an assyrian child is
taken directly from the Egyptian Tree-of Paradise-Mother:" RENENUTET "
Suckling the Pharaoh- Child(" Horus") in the Palmtreeswamps of BUTHO(= Djibuti.) Cry Shocked Cry
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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