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Jennie McGrath
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« on: January 24, 2007, 01:18:02 am »

Roswell UFO incident

Roswell Daily Record, July 8, 1947, announcing the "capture" of a "flying saucer."The Roswell UFO incident involved the recovery of materials near Roswell, New Mexico, in July 1947 which have since become the subject of intense speculation and research. There are widely divergent views on what actually happened, and passionate debate about what evidence can be believed. The United States military maintains that what was recovered was a top-secret research balloon that had crashed. However, many UFO proponents believe the wreckage was of a crashed alien craft and that the military covered up the craft's recovery. The incident has evolved into a widely-recognized and referenced pop culture phenomenon, and for some, Roswell is synonymous with UFO and likely ranks as the most famous alleged UFO incident.

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 01:18:55 am »

Original July 8, 1947 "Army Has Flying Disc" Story (Roswell, NM)
Sacramento Bee, July 8, 1947

Summary: This is the original story published on July 8, 1947 in which the U.S. Army announced it had recovered a crashed flying disc near Roswell, NM. Quickly thereafter, the official Army story was changed to the "weather balloon" position.

Army Reveals It Has Flying Disc Found On Ranch In Mew Mexico

Sacramento Bee July 8, 1947

ROSWELL (N.M.). July 8. (AP) --The army air forces here today announced a flying disc has been found on a ranch near Roswell and is in possession of the army. Lieutenant Warren Haught, public information officer of the Roswell Army AIr Field, announced the find had been made "sometime last week" and had been turned over to the air field through the cooperation of the sheriff's office.

Higher Headquarters

"It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence office in Roswell to higher headquarters."

The army gave no other details. Haught's statement:

"The many rumors regarding the flying discs became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th (atomic) Bomb Group of the 8th Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves county.

"The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who inturn notified Jesse A. Marcel, of the 509th Bomb Group intelligence office."

Inspected at Roswell

"Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field, and subsequently loaned by Major Jesse Marcel to higher headquarters."

The rancher's name and the location of his place was withheld.

George Walsh of the radio station KSWS which provided first news of the announcement said only Major Marcel, Colonel W. H. Blanchard, commanding officer at Roswell, and the rancher had seen the object here.

The sheriff, Walsh reported, upon receiving word from the rancher went immediately to the intelligence officer at Roswell Field.

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 01:20:53 am »

Here is the most famous one, from the Roswell Daily Record:
Roswell Daily Record for July 8, 1947 - Text

Summary: Text of original news story reporting on the recovery of a crashed flying saucer, in the local Roswell newspaper.

RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region

No Details of Flying Disk Are Revealed
Roswell Hardware Man and Wife Report Disk Seen


The intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Air Field announced at noon today, that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.

According to information released by the department, over authority of Maj. J. A. Marcel, intelligence officer, the disk was recovered on a ranch in the Roswell vicinity, after an unidentified rancher had notified Sheriff Geo. Wilcox, here, that he had found the instrument on his premises.

Major Marcel and a detail from his department went to the ranch and recovered the disk, it was stated.

After the intelligence officer here had inspected the instrument it was flown to higher headquarters.

The intelligence office stated that no details of the saucer's construction or its appearance had been revealed.

Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot apparently were the only persons in Roswell who saw what they thought was a flying disk.

They were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed.

Wilmot called Mrs. Wilmot's attention to it and both ran down into the yard to watch. It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds, Wilmot estimated.

Wilmot said that it appeared to him to be about 1,500 feet high and going fast. He estimated between 400 and 500 miles per hour.

In appearance it looked oval in shape like two inverted saucers, faced mouth to mouth, or like two old type washbowls placed, together in the same fashion. The entire body glowed as though light were showing through from inside, though not like it would inside, though not like it would be if a light were merely underneath.

From where he stood Wilmot said that the object looked to be about 5 feet in size, and making allowance for the distance it was from town he figured that it must have been 15 to 20 feet in diameter, though this was just a guess.

Wilmot said that he heard no sound but that Mrs. Wilmot said she heard a swishing sound for a very short time.

The object came into view from the southeast and disappeared over the treetops in the general vicinity of six mile hill.

Wilmot, who is one of the most respected and reliable citizens in town, kept the story to himself hoping that someone else would come out and tell about having seen one, but finally today decided that he would go ahead and tell about it. The announcement that the RAAF was in possession of one came only a few minutes after he decided to release the details of what he had seen.


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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 01:22:05 am »

And here is the later retraction:

Roswell Daily Record for July 9, 1947

Summary: Revised story of of the Roswell incident, from the local Roswell newspaper, 2 days after the first story appeared, reporting that a crashed flying saucer had been found and retrieved by the military.

Gen. Ramey Empties Roswell Saucer

Ramey Says Excitement is Not Justified
General Ramey Says Disk is Weather Balloon


Fort Worth, Texas, July 9 (AP) An examination by the army revealed last night that mysterious objects found on a lonely New Mexico ranch was a harmless high-altitude weather balloon - not a grounded flying disk.Excitement was high until Brig. Gen. Roger M. Ramey, commander of the Eighth air forces with headquarters here cleared up the mystery.

The bundle of tinfoil, broken wood beams and rubber remnants of a balloon were sent here yesterday by army air transport in the wake of reports that it was a flying disk.

But the general said the objects were the crushed remains of a ray wind target used to determine the direction and velocity of winds at high altitudes.

Warrant Officer Irving Newton, forecaster at the army air forces weather station here said, "we use them because they go much higher than the eye can see."

The weather balloon was found several days ago near the center of New Mexico by Rancher W. W. Brazel. He said he didn't think much about it until he went into Corona, N. M., last Saturday and heard the flying disk reports.

He returned to his ranch, 85 miles northwest of Roswell, and recovered the wreckage of the balloon, which he had placed under some brush.

Then Brazel hurried back to Roswell, where he reported his find to the sheriff's office.

The sheriff called the Roswell air field and Maj. Jesse A. Marcel, 509th bomb group intelligence officer was assigned to the case.

Col. William H. Blanchard, commanding officer of the bomb group, reported the find to General Ramey and the object was flown immediately to the army air field here.

Ramey went on the air here last night to announce the New Mexico discovery was not a flying disk.

Newton said that when rigged up, the instrument "looks like a six-pointed star, is sivery in appearance and rises in the air like a kite."

In Roswell, the discovery set off a flurry of excitement.

Sheriff George Wicox's telephone lines were jammed. Three calls came from England, one of them from The London Daily Mail, he said.

A public relations officer here said the balloon was in his office "and it'll probably stay right there."

Newton, who made the examination, said some 80 weather stations in the U. S. were using that type of balloon and that it could have come from any of them.

He said he had sent up identical balloons during the invasion of Okinawa to determine ballistics information for heavy guns.


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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 01:25:56 am »

Contemporary accounts of materials found
The Sacramento Bee article detailing the RAAF statements.On July 8, 1947, reports emerged from the Roswell Army Air Field that a "flying disc" had been recovered. The following historical account reconstructs a timeline of events as described and recorded in initial news reports and several contemporary telexes.

On June 14, farmer William "Mac" Brazel noticed some strange debris while working on a ranch 70 miles from Roswell. This exact date (or "about three weeks" before July Cool is a point of contention, but is repeated in several initial accounts, in particular the stories that quote Brazel and in a telex sent a few hours after the story broke quoting Sheriff George Wilcox (whom Brazel first contacted). The initial report from the Roswell Army Air Field said the find was "sometime last week," but that description may have been a fourth-hand account of what Brazel actually said, and mentions the sheriff as the one who contacted them about the find.[1] Brazel told the Roswell Daily Record that he and his son saw a "large area of bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks." He paid little attention to it, but returned on July 4 with his son, wife and daughter to gather up the material.[2] Some accounts have described Brazel as having gathered some of the material earlier, rolling it together and stashing it under some brush.[3] The next day, Brazel heard reports about "flying discs" and wondered if that was what he had picked up. On July 7, Brazel saw Sheriff Wilcox and "whispered kinda confidential like" that he may have found a flying disc.[2] Another account quotes Wilcox as saying that Brazel reported the object on July 6.[1]

Sheriff Wilcox called Roswell Army Air Field. Maj. Jesse Marcel and a "man in plainclothes" accompanied Brazel back to the ranch where more pieces were picked up. "[W]e spent a couple of hours Monday afternoon [July 7] looking for any more parts of the weather device," said Marcel. "We found a few more patches of tinfoil and rubber."[4] They then attempted to reassemble the object but Brazel said they couldn't. Marcel took the debris to Roswell Army Air Field the next morning.

As described in the July 9, 1947 edition of the Roswell Daily Record,[5]

“ "The balloon which held it up, if that was how it worked, must have been 12 feet long, [Brazel] felt, measuring the distance by the size of the room in which he sat. The rubber was smoky gray in color and scattered over an area about 200 yards in diameter. When the debris was gathered up, the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks made a bundle about three feet long and 7 or 8 inches thick, while the rubber made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches long and about 8 inches thick. In all, he estimated, the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds. There was no sign of any metal in the area which might have been used for an engine, and no sign of any propellers of any kind, although at least one paper fin had been glued onto some of the tinfoil. There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there were letters on some of the parts. Considerable Scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction. No strings or wires were to be found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used.” ”

A telex sent to an FBI office from their office in Dallas, Texas, quoted a major from the Eighth Air Force on July 8:[6]

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 01:26:58 am »

News reports
A NOAA weather balloon just after launch.Early on Tuesday, July 8, the Roswell Army Air Field issued a press release which was immediately picked up by numerous news outlets: "The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriffs office of Chaves County. The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office. Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters."[7]

Col. William H. Blanchard, commanding officer of the 509th, contacted Gen. Roger M. Ramey of the Eighth Air Force in Fort Worth, Texas, and Ramey ordered the object be flown to Fort Worth Army Air Field. At the base, Warrant Officer Irving Newton confirmed Ramey’s preliminary opinion, identifying the object as being a weather balloon and its "kite.",[3] a nickname for a radar reflector used to track the balloons from the ground. Another news release was issued, this time from the Fort Worth base, describing the object as being a "weather balloon."

Gen. Roger Ramey (kneeling) and chief of staff Col. Thomas Dubose posed with weather balloon and radar reflector, July 8, 1947, Fort Worth, Texas. Some claim text contained on the paper in Ramey's hand (boxed) confirms an alien recovery. See enlargement below.
Enlargement of Gen. Ramey's held message in above photo.In Fort Worth, several news photographs were taken that day of debris said to be from the object. The debris was consistent with the general description of a weather balloon with a kite. Ramey, Col. Thomas J. Dubose and Marcel all posed with the debris. Brazel, in interviews that day with the Roswell Daily Record and Associated Press, dismissed the military's "weather balloon" assertion. Citing several other weather balloons he had recovered previously on the ranch, he said: "I am sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon."[5] The incident was quickly forgotten.

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 01:29:01 am »

A NOAA weather balloon just after launch.

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Brigadier General Roger M. Ramey (kneeling) and chief of staff Colonel Thomas J. Dubose posed with weather balloon in Fort Worth, Texas, July 8, 1947. Ramey claimed this was the debris of a "flying disk" found near Roswell, New Mexico. A controversial message held by Ramey about the events is boxed and pointed to.

Photo originally from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Associated Press, now archived in the Special Collections division of the University of Texas at Arlington which claims copyright

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 01:31:34 am »

New witness accounts and Roswell UFO books

In 1978, author Stanton T. Friedman interviewed Jesse Marcel, the only person known to have accompanied the Roswell debris from where it was recovered to Fort Worth. Over the next 15 years or so, the accounts he and others gave elevated Roswell from a forgotten incident to perhaps the most famous UFO case of all time.[8]

By the early 1990s, UFO researchers such as Friedman, William Moore, Karl Pflock, and the team of Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt had interviewed several hundred people [12] who had, or claimed to have had, a connection with the events at Roswell in 1947. Additionally, hundreds of documents were obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests, as were some apparently leaked by insiders, such as the disputed "Majestic 12" documents. [13]

Their conclusion was that at least one alien craft had crashed in the Roswell vicinity, that aliens, some possibly still alive, were recovered, and that a massive cover-up of any knowledge of the incident was put in place.

See also: Witness accounts of the Roswell UFO incident
Numerous books, articles, television specials and even a made-for-TV movie brought the 1947 incident fame and notoriety so that by the mid-1990s, strong majorities in polls, such as a 1997 CNN/Time poll, believed that aliens had visited earth and specifically that aliens had landed at Roswell and the government was covering up the fact. [14]

A new narrative emerged at this time which was at strong odds with what was reported in 1947. This narrative evolved over the years from the time the first book on Roswell was published in 1980 as many new witnesses and accounts emerged, drawn out in part by publicity on the incident. Though skeptics had many objections to the plausibility of these accounts, it was not until 1994 and the publication of the first Air Force report on the incident that a strong counter-argument to the presence of aliens was widely publicized. (see below)

Numerous scenarios emerged from these authors as to what they felt were the true sequence of events, depending on which witness accounts were embraced or dismissed, and what the documentary evidence suggested. This was especially true in regards to the various claimed crash and recovery sites of alien craft, as various authors had different witnesses and different locations for these events.[Gildenberg “Requiem” article page 66]

However, the following general outline from UFO Crash at Roswell (1991) by Kevin D. Randle and Donald R. Schmitt is common to most of these accounts:

“ "A UFO crashed northwest of Roswell, New Mexico, in the summer of 1947. The military acted quickly and efficiently to recover the debris after its existence was reported by a ranch hand. The debris - unlike anything these highly trained men had ever seen - was flown without delay to at least three government installations. A cover story was concocted to explain away the debris and the flurry of activity. It was explained that a weather balloon, one with a new radiosonde target device, had been found and temporarily confused the personnel of the 509th Bomb Group. Government officials took reporters' notes from their desks and warned a radio reporter not to play a recorded interview with the ranch hand. The men who took part in the recovery were told never to talk about the incident. And with a whimper, not a bang, the Roswell event faded quickly from public view and press scrutiny." ”

(Randle and Schmitt 1991, p.4)

Enlargement of Gen. Ramey's held message in above photo.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 01:36:34 am »

UFO Statistics For 1947
Formatted By CammoDude


SOURCE: UFO Information Service
Statistical Chart, by States, For June and July, 1947
Time of Sighting Number of Objects

State Cases Daytime Night Unknown Single Multiple Unknown Witnesses
California 109 74 16 19 50 53 6 465
Washington 83 72 9 2 37 43 3 178
Oregon 54 49 5 - 26 28 - 110
Idaho 43 39 4 - 27 16 - 510
Illinois 40 19 12 9 21 19 - 74

Colorado 36 30 5 1 19 15 2 80
Ohio 29 10 16 3 14 13 2 150
Alabama 28 4 23 1 6 22 - 75
Wisconsin 27 11 15 1 20 7 - 58
Texas 27 12 9 6 19 6 2 50

Missouri 25 19 5 1 13 12 - 79
Arizona 23 18 3 2 13 9 1 47
Michigan 19 8 7 4 9 9 1 560
New Mexico 17 16 1 - 13 3 1 31
Utah 16 12 3 1 9 7 - 41

New Jersey 15 6 8 1 10 5 - 125
Arkansas 15 10 3 2 11 4 - 22
Iowa 14 9 3 2 8 6 - 22
Massachusetts 14 7 3 4 5 9 - 20
Oklahoma 14 11 3 - 11 3 - 28

Kentucky 14 5 8 1 8 6 - 28
Indiana 13 5 5 3 5 7 1 31
Pennsylvania 13 6 5 2 9 4 - 35
S.Carolina 13 10 3 - 10 3 - 30
Maryland 10 3 7 - 5 5 - 17

Florida 10 6 4 - 5 5 - 22
N.Carolina 10 5 5 - 8 2 - 20
Wyoming 8 5 3 - 6 2 - 11
Louisiana 8 6 1 1 4 4 - 18
Tennessee 8 6 2 - 7 1 - 12

Connecticut 8 4 2 2 1 7 - 18
Nebraska 8 4 4 - 6 2 - 15
Kansas 7 3 4 - 5 2 - 18
New York 7 5 2 - 5 2 - 13
Nevada 7 5 1 1 5 2 - 37

New Hampshire 6 3 3 - 3 3 - 13
Maine 6 2 4 - 1 5 - 15
South Dakota 5 4 1 - 4 1 - 7
Mississippi 5 1 1 3 1 4 - 5
Vermont 4 - 4 - 4 - - 5

Minnesota 4 2 1 1 4 - - 5
Virginia 3 2 1 - 2 1 - 15
Montana 2 1 1 - - 2 - 4
North Dakota 2 2 - - 2 - - 4
Dist.Columbia 2 2 - - 1 1 - 3

Rhode Island 1 - 1 - 1 - - 1
Delaware 1 1 - - 1 1 - 1
Alaska 1 1 - - 1 - - 3
Hawaii 1 1 - - 1 - - 100
Canada 18 10 5 3 12 3 3 52

Totals 853 546 231 76 468 363 22 3283
Cases Daytime Night Unknown Single Multiple Unknown Witnesses

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2007, 05:07:24 pm »

This again.  Granted, the military might not be entirely forthcoming on the Roswell incident, but has any actual tangible evidence ever come to light that they were holding a UFO?  Sadly (for Jennie) no.  We have eyewitness testimony, for the most part from people who were on their death beds, decades after the fact, if I am remembering correctly.

Personally, I feel that it was in the government's best interest to keep the confusion going at the time, and so they have, a little bit too successfully, perhaps.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2007, 11:27:23 am »

Same old Aritoddler!

I am certainly glad we had the chance to resume this conversation.   Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 02:40:54 am »

 Hello Jennie. As you can see I found this address in my notebook by the pc just as I told you it would be in your Atlantis Rising message board a couple of days ago.

Congratulations on your site young ladies.  Wink
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