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Qoais
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AAAhhhhhh - now I get it. You guys are jealous of Georgeos good looks
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Quote from: Mark Ponta on March 25, 2007, 05:22:37 am
Actually the Sea Peoples mostly came from the north and west of Egypt ,,You have the Libyans coming from the west and many others from around the Aegean Sea.They devastated Greece, Asia Minor ,and then they swept down through the Levant to arrive at the eastern border of Egypt where their progress was finally checked. But to say they came from the east is misleading.They may have come from Sicily and Sardinia aswell.
Ramses III himself explains it quite clearly on the walls of Medinet Habu.
Mark, I'm not certain that Sardinia or Sicily is an accepted hypothesis. Their exact origins are unknown to us, but Sea People artificacts have been found in Phillistine cities in the Levant (Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, Gath, and Gaza), proving an origin from Canaan. Ohers put Canaan as the point of origin, yet have them as some of the earlier settlers of Minoan Crete.
Ramses is not to be believed. Not only did he probably not know himself, but he made a hablt of recarving temples and his own wars with the Sea People were said to be exaggerated.
At any point, none of the various Sea People hypothesis have them anywhere near Spain. That is a complete invention of Georgeos.
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Hi Alcibiades,
Welcome to this board! I hope you will contribute more because you have a lot of good thoughts. If you were at AR for only two years, you missed out on a lot of good discussion, much of which has been erased. As you have correctly surmised, Georgeos keeps dragging up the same old arguments year after year, and they have been soundly refuted in the past.
The problem is that most of the people who have real knowledge about the subject have given up reasoning with this man or have moved on to more productive fields of endeavor. Still, there are always newcomers, especially women, who fall under his spell.
Thanks for the welcome, Tom. I meant to post something at AR, but it seemed everytime I was going to, the forum would explode into one of those Spain/anti-Spain arguments, and it all got a bit too unprofessional for my tastes.
There were many good researchers there that I intended to compare notes with - Kuhne, Schoppe, Khonnetti - and yet, each one seemed driven away by the bickering that went on there. Perhaps this forum will be more receptive to other ideas besides Georgeos.'
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Quote from: Mark Ponta on March 25, 2007, 06:19:18 am
Yeah ,Welcome Alcibiades ,I was also a member of AR but I never posted ,I wonder why that is.? It was too hostile maybe ,getting trampled is best avoided.
Tom ! what !? are you serious ? lol women falling under his spell ,haha ,what is with that ? are you suggesting ? ...noooo..."Oh he is sooo smart "
Whatever floats their boat I guess .
There isn't a laughing emoticon big enough ,
hmmm come to think of it ,maybe there is hope for me then ...My very own groupies - All I need is a few dodgy pics and a website,
Thanks, Mark, it was a bit hostile to those who dared to differ with the Spain theory. I don't know if you noticed, but the tendency of the Spanish over there is not to argue logically, but to repeat the same points, tirelesssly, again and again, with the hope of driving others away. I find it a bit absurd that the moderators allow that to continue, year after year.
When I first began reading the forum over there, it was Georgeos arguing against everyone. And then, he left and this "Maria" person came and argued in his stead. Since then, it has been one whole host of "disciples" arguing on his behalf. Doubltess, one or all of these people are simply Georgeos because they constantly repeat the same points and even have the same temperment.
As for women falling under Georgeo' spell, well, of course, don't you know how women all love Latin men?
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Quote from: Qoais on March 25, 2007, 10:56:47 am
AAAhhhhhh - now I get it. You guys are jealous of Georgeos good looks
Those that do not love Georgeos must surely hate him.
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March 25, 2007, 01:40:55 pm »
For that sexier avatar---How about:
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That just might work, Rock. It's hard to account for women's tastes. They seem to like men that are a little bit dangerous.
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Mark of Australia
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March 25, 2007, 07:33:37 pm »
Well I am refusing to pay my phone bill at the moment .Is that 'dangerous' enough ?? .Thanks for the advice Tom
,yes,I need a better avatar. dangerous?? ,how 'bout Hannibal Lecter ?
As for being Latin ,Alcibiades,I consider myself to be an Anglo-Italian Australian ,is that close enough ?
The Sea Peoples settled in Palestine which is actually named after them ,Palestine=Peleset, that is acknowledged by acadaemia.
They settled their after being repulsed from Egypt .They may have had some presence their before the war though.
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A sign of Spains ancient past -the Bullfight - seems to be in decline .I hope it survives.
Here's an article about it.
Spain's bullfighting tradition goes into decline
By Sinikka Tarvainen Jan 5, 2007, 8:09 GMT
Madrid - Most people cannot imagine Spain without bullfights, but there are growing signs that the country's centuries- old 'fiesta nacional' (national celebration) is on the decline.
Not only are young people losing interest in the glittering and bloody spectacle, but even some of the authorities are beginning to feel embarrassed about an 'art' which foreign animal rights campaigners blast as a form of torture.
When a matador donning his 'suit of lights' bravely confronts death in the form of a 500-kilo fighting bull, spectators witness 'the last great art of the western world,' playwright Albert Boadilla wrote recently.
Bullfighting 'has survived miraculously since antiquity against all political correctness,' he added.
Artists such as the late US author Ernest Hemingway and the painter Pablo Picasso were fans of bullfighting, without which Spain would lose something essential to its profound character, bullfighting enthusiasts feel.
Bullfighting is also a big industry, which employs some 200,000 people - from bull breeders to bullfighters' assistants - and turns over about 1.5 billion euros (nearly 2 billion dollars) a year.
Around 12,000 bulls are killed in 2,000 annual corridas in the country where top matadors are celebrities comparable to movie stars.
The fierce Iberian fighting bulls - a race which would disappear without bullfights - are raised on spacious ecological pastures which industrial farm animals can't even dream of, bullfighting fans point out.
Despite such arguments, the popularity of bullfighting is clearly declining among Spaniards, 72 per cent of whom have no interest in the spectacle, up from 43 per cent in 1971, according to a recent poll.
Among young people, the figure rose to 82 per cent and among women, to 78.5 per cent. The typical bullfighting public now consists of elderly men.
A decade ago, young 'showman' matadors such as Jesulin de Ubrique sought to renovate the spectacle with new techniques and novelties such as corridas only for women, but their impact was short-lived.
At the same time, consciousness of animal rights is on the rise in the country traditionally fond of bloodsports ranging from cockfights to hurling live goats from church towers.
Bullfights tarnish Spain's image in the European Union, Environment Minister Cristina Narbona pointed out recently, proposing Portuguese-style corridas in which the bull is not killed in front of the spectators.
Narbona's comments sparked an instant storm, with even leaders of her own Socialist Party rushing to defend the bullfighting tradition.
Some animal rights campaigners observed that the bull, which bleeds from darts stuck into its neck during the bullfight, suffers even more in Portugal, where it faces an agonizing wait before being finished off in a slaughterhouse.
The only Spanish region to have reduced bullfights so far is northeastern Catalonia, where the capital Barcelona and some 20 other municipalities have declared themselves 'anti-bullfight.'
Barcelona's last bullring is so unprofitable that the company managing it intends to give up the business next year.
Catalonia's dislike of bullfights, however, is also attributed to separatist strivings in the region, which seeks to distance itself from things seen as typically Spanish.
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All I can say is, put yourself in the Bull's place. How would you like to be tortured to death? Here in Canada, the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is trying to stop a lot of events at the rodeos, because of the pain and suffering of the animals.
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Mark of Australia
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May 12, 2007, 12:01:25 pm »
Hi Qoais ,
good point , that is the dilemma , the golden rule ,does it apply to animals aswell? ,I sure know that I don't want to be tortured to death. It is a pagan tradition from the past...It's interesting that the Christians didn't outlaw it like other pagan rituals.
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Dear Bluehue: As answer to you letter, I dont think Georgeos Montexano thinks tht Plato is a hoax..he genuinely thinks Plato s explainations were true and he defends Plato so much, and He beleives in him..
So , he is really thinking Atlantis is in Spain.he has aLot of evidence also..But, of course I am not a historian or ATlantologist, I can not say that is 100% true.But the evidence is believeable
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I am bringing this thread back to life so I can link everyone to this fabulous article. It makes me think the Minoans became the Sea People. Upon first glance, it looks like there are a lot of similarities as to locations and events and how things developed down the line. This is a long article but an excellent read.
http://www.minoanatlantis.com/Minoan_Spain.php
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