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"The 26th dynasty saw an attempt to resurrect the glory of the Old Kingdom. At Giza there was an active priesthood of the Sphinx as Horemakhet and there were also people calling themselves priests of Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure. Ironically, the worship of the powerful kings who built the largest structures in Egypt was now carried out in the tiny temple of Isis, built against the southernmost of the pyramids of Khufu's queens (GI-c)in the 21st Dynasty.
The Complete Pyramids p. 38.

"The southernmost pyramid GI-c could belong to a queen Henutsen, a name known only from much later, in dynasties 21-26, when the chapel at the centre of the eastern base of this pyramid was converted to a temple of the goddess Isis under the epithet "Mistress of the Pyramids." Ibid p. 116.

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"During the 21st Dynasty the chapel of the southern of the queens' pyramids in the Khufu complex was reconstructed into a temple of Isis "Mistress-of-the-Pyramid". The temple was enlarged during the 26th Dynasty,... ".
"Atlas of Ancient Egypt" Baines and Malek

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"to build the temple they had to tear down the Henutsen temple and part of Kapheres Mastaba so the temple must be much younger than both structures (at least 1st intermediate period)
- architecture style points to the late period
- inscription style, gods and picture style of the relief points to the late period
- Isis as "mistress of the pyramids" is an invention of Dyn. 20 (never before the term was used)
- several inscriptions in the temple name kings from the Saite periode
- the IS mentiones Amasis from the very late later period."
From the first link I posted about. You may find this interesting:

http://www.alien.de/doernenburg/alternativ/pyramide/pyr02e.php

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I found this interesting little article while doing some random searches for Khufu that adds more credit to the theory that Khufu knew the Sphinx. http://www.ianlawton.com/as1.htm
Yet another with a theory that I suspect is true jsut because they depicted two Sphinx on Thutmose's Dream Stella ... There were two Sphinx! http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/7808/page1.html

The links I will provide are all related to this subject in one way or another. http://members.aol.com/davidpb4/sphinx2.html http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterOne/MysteryOfTheSphinx.htm http://www.towers-online.co.uk/pages/sphinx.htm

Exploratory methods of sonar readings are so unobtrusive, by this I mean they only have to drill a really small hole to accomplish it, that Hawass' reasoning for not allowing it can be seen as a cover-up of something larger. The holes would be so minute that they could easily be fixed so this leads me to ask: Why won't Hawass allow it? It's merely a question that arised during my search for the elusive IS of Khufu.
Keep research alive!

 

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Let’s begin first with looking at the age of the Great Pyramid. The conservative historians’ entire case for dating the Great Pyramid to the Fourth Dynasty rests upon two major pieces of evidence. The first is the story of Herodotus, who in 443 B.C. visited Egypt and recounted how Pharaoh Cheops (the Greek name for Khufu) built the Great
Pyramid during his reign with 100,000 men in 20 years. However, we now know this story is highly questionable. Even his contemporaries called Herodotus the "Father of Lies." Not only do the construction estimates he gave not work, but Herodotus, as an Initiate in the Egyptian Mystery Schools, was sworn to secrecy regarding the true nature of the Pyramid, and he more than likely copied a fictitious tale about the monument that was then in circulation among the common masses. The Greek historian’s account stands in sharp contrast to most other Egyptian, Hebrew, Greek, Roman, Hermetic, Coptic and medieval Arabic scholarly sources which agree that the Great Pyramid was not constructed during the time frame of Pharaoh Khufu or Dynastic Egypt, but was the product of the "Age of the Gods"
thousands of years earlier.
The second piece of evidence is the existence of painted hieroglyphic inscriptions found in the air space chambers above the King’s Chamber, which include the name of Pharaoh Khufu. They were supposedly discovered by Col. Richard Howard-Vyse in 1837, when he forced his way up to these chambers using gunpowder. But there are certain facts showing these inscriptions were in actuality forgeries.

At the time Col. Howard-Vyse began his quest to find chambers above the King’s Chamber, his digging concession
from the Egyptian authorities, as well as his financial support, were both running out. It was necessary for him to make a major discovery as soon as possible in order to continue his work. He was hoping that the area above Davison’s Chamber (the first air space chamber, discovered by Nathaniel Davison in 1765) would contain a large, hidden room or vault, and was severely disappointed when instead he brought to light only another air space chamber, which was far from the "dramatic discovery" he needed.

Only two months before, his rival, the Italian explorer Captain Caviglia, had stirred archaeological circles with his
find of quarry inscriptions in some of the tombs around the Great Pyramid. These quarry inscriptions took the form of hieroglyphs daubed on the building blocks with a red paint, and had been used by the builders of the Old Kingdom
as directions for where the blocks were to be placed. A number of modern researchers now suspect that, in the battle for archaeological oneupman-ship, Col. Howard-Vyse sought to overshadow Caviglia, and gain renewed support for
his own projects, with a similar but more spectacular "discovery," by imitating these quarry inscriptions inside the Great Pyramid itself. Forging such inscriptions would have been fairly easy, since the Arabs still use similar red ochre paint, called moghrah, that is indistinguishable from that of the ancients.

The question has never been answered, why do inscriptions appear only in the air space chambers that Col. Howard-
Vyse opened, but none were found in Davison’s Chamber, with which the Colonel had nothing to do, discovered
earlier, in 1765?

Serious problems also arise when we examine the nature of the inscriptions themselves. Samuel Birch, a hieroglyph expert of the British Museum, was among the first to analyze the air chamber paintings, and noted a number of peculiarities among them which remain unresolved to this day. These "peculiarities" represent serious mistakes on the part of the forger. Birch noted, for example, that many of the daubings were not hieroglyphic but hieratic. Now hieratic was a form of written shorthand first developed during the Middle Kingdom, or at least a thousand years after the Fourth Dynasty. In one location, directly after a royal cartouche, the title is given, "Mighty in Upper and Lower Egypt," in a form that made its first appearance during the Saitic period of the 6th century B.C., a full 2,000 years after Khufu’s reign.

In another place, the hieroglyph symbol for "good, gracious" was used as the number "18," a usage found nowhere
else in the entire body of Egyptian literature. In fact, Birch and later Egyptologists such as Carl Richard Lepsius and Sir Flinders Petrie were disturbed at the number of exceptions of usage in the air space chamber, inscriptions found by Col. Howard-Vyse that have absolutely no parallel throughout 4,000 years of hieroglyphic writing.


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http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue8/ar8pyramids.html
I'l print more later, my work, incidentally, has little to do with Graham, whom seems to be a nice gent, but other sources. In some cases many other sources.

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000461;p=2

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Do a search for my previous statements on the inventory stela. I provide evidence for my position in them.
You guys can't even distinguish between the inventory and sphinx stela. I've seen a few people in this thread already confuse them.

 

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"You guys can't even distinguish between the inventory and sphinx stela."

Are you including me? If so, I believe an apology is in order.

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I never said the IS was a forgery. A late stela mimicking something earlier. I live near Stratford-upon-Avon and you can find quotations and statues around the town. They are not forgeries but celebrations of the Bard.

Sorry, the GP marks are genuine. No doubt in my mind. Look at their position. You can't reach them. They have been inaccessible since the GP was built.





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"You guys can't even distinguish between the inventory and sphinx stela."
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I believe I know the difference, too, and tried to be careful in distinguishing the two! If I didn't in one instance, it was mere sloppiness on my part, being so eager to disseminate such controversial information! Come now, Peter, we're all Egyptologists here! 

Catastrophe,

So the primary piece of evidence regarding the genuineness of the mark on the Great Pyramid lie in their location..? Do you have a link wherein it may be demonstrated, visually, what you might be referring to?

Thank you for your patience in my ceaseless inquiries, my friend!





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Actually, we have the testament of Pharaoh Khufu himself that he only did repair work on the Great Pyramid. The Inventory Stele, found in 1857 by Auguste Mariette just to the east of the Pyramid, dates to about 1500 B.C., but according to Maspero and other experts, shows evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the Fourth Dynasty. In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands from the Pyramid and Sphinx. He dedicated the account to Isis, who he called the "Mistress of the Western Mountain," "Mistress of the Pyramid," and identified the Pyramid itself as the "House of Isis." The Stele describes how Pharaoh Khufu, "gave to her (Isis) an offering anew, and he built again (to restore, renovate, reconstruct) her temple of stone." From there, the Pharaoh inspected the Sphinx, according to the text, and related the story of how in his time both the monument and a nearby sycamore tree had been struck by lightning. The bolt had knocked off part of the headdress of the Sphinx, which Khufu carefully restored. Egyptologist Selim Hassan, who dug out the Sphinx from the surrounding sands in the 1930's, observed there is indeed evidence that portions of the Sphinx were damaged by lightning, and the mark of ancient repairs is very apparent. Also, he noted, sycamore trees once grew to the south of the monument, which had been dated to a great age. The Stele then ends with the story of how Khufu built small pyramids for himself and his daughters, wife and family, next to the Great Pyramid. Today, the ruins of three small pyramids are indeed situated on the east side of the monument. Archaeologists have found independent evidence that the southernmost of the three small pyramids flanking the Great Pyramid was in fact dedicated to Henutsen, a wife of Khufu. Everything in the inscription thus matches the known facts. If these facts can be believed as true, then the additional information that Khufu was only a restorer of the Great Pyramid and not its builder, must also be treated as historically true.
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Correct, Tom! Graham is an authority on the Great Pyramid since he now assumes their point of view on the markings, which must mean that the all the rest of his theories put forth in his other books have merit now, too!
Can't wait till the Cairo gift shops start selling "Fingerptints of the Gods," let alone "Underworld!"

Speaking of which, does anyone know what happened to Joseph Robert Jochmans? He did some interesting work in terms of an alternative to traditional Egyptology, too...mummified perhaps..?


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Psycho, my friend
"So the primary piece of evidence regarding the genuineness of the mark on the Great Pyramid lie in their location..?"

Yes, in my opinion.

"Do you have a link wherein it may be demonstrated, visually, what you might be referring to?"

I will dig it out. T'was here that I saw it.

You are very welcome to any information I can provide.


 


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Will you take GH's word for it?
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id10.html

Says Han****:"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."

Furthermore, there might be quarry marks on hundreds more stones, but inside the masonry.

I will try to find more. IIRC that was from GH's position statement.

Edit: Yes, here it is. Scroll down to point 3.
http://www.grahamhan****.com/features/trenches-p4.htm

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Trust me! Don't believe what I say but do your own checking on the IS. Please re-read my posts on this. It was probably priests of the cult of Khufu etc. - this makes more sense. Check "Mistress of the Pyramid" Check the Saite topology. Check the datable features.



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The ideology is concretely Saite with no evidence of Old Kingdom influence whatsoever. Once again, like all of the other inane garbage repeatedly discussed here (abydos glyphs, quarry marks, etc), I've gone over it at length countless times but because it doesn't have any glowing crystals or levitating dwarves involved, the easily distracted and always daydreaming collection of participants here don't choose to retain it.
Not only do the locations of the quarry marks solidly attribute to the pyramid a 4th dynasty construction date, but the fact that the names of Khufu include his Horus Name, which was unknown at the time of their discovery, absolutely attributes the pyramid to Khufu.

You guys do know that the Inventory Stela attributes the pyramid to Khufu, right? So by wandering off in a hyper-spastic episode of Sphinx discussion, rasing the stela to new heights of authority, you're also accepting the GP's attribution to Khufu?



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I've gone over it at length countless times but because it doesn't have any glowing crystals or levitating dwarves involved, the easily distracted and always daydreaming collection of participants here don't choose to retain it.
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Peter V, your work could use some levitating dwarves, if you ask me!

 
Catastrophe, no offense, my friend, but I think I shall have to do more of my own digging. The same ochre paint present in Egypt in both the 1800's and in ancient times alone casts some doubt for me. Thank you for your help, though!

If you have pictures of the positioning of the marks in terms of their relationship on the pyramid, I would be much obliged!

Peter V,

Let is examine the Inventory Stela again, shall we?

"Long live ... the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khufu, given life ...He found the House of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid, by the side of the hollow of Hwran (the Sphinx) ... and he built his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess and he built a pyramid for the King's daughter Henutsen beside this temple. The place of Hwran Horemakhet is on the south side of the House of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid ... He restored the statue, all covered in painting, of the Guardian of the Atmosphere, who guides the winds with his gaze. He replaced the back part of the nemes head-dress which was missing with gilded stone ... The figure of this god, cut in stone, is solid and will last to eternity, keeping its face looking always to the east ..."

Now then, in this translation at least, we could say, he "found" the Great Pyramid as in "founded" as you imply. On the other hand, we could also say that he "found" it in the desert which might be the more likely case. For if he did not, why build his own house and those for his family beside it? The other quotes also suggest that he did repair work to the Sphinx as has always been suggested. Then again, maybe I'm misinterpreting it, I'm not quite the Egptologist you are!

Peter, you seem to have developed a great animosity towards levitating dwarves. Don't tell me you're a levitating dwarf!!

 


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